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The band I was playing with late last year broke up because the guitar player moved to Nashville in January to try his hand at being a full-time player. Then the tornado, and then the virus, so no gigs, running out of money, and he's returning to town soon or he already has. I guess he can go back to work whatever he was doing when he lived here before and pay the rent. idk

I got a group text from them last night started by the bass player, "How long should we give it to jam again?" The guitar player replied, "I'm in when you're all ready ! Maybe wait couple more weeks !"

I didn't reply. Yes, I would love to play with these guys again, I had a great time for the most part* and the music is right in my wheelhouse. But at this point, I hate the chance of going near anybody and I can't see doing this at all in the foreseeable future and I don't know when I'd be comfortable doing so. My current plan is to honestly tell them that. I would say, "I really want to play with you guys, I want to stay with the band, but if you go on without me, I would totally understand. If, when I'm ready, you still don't have a keyboard player and you want me, I'm in. Keep me posted."

I'm just curious, what would you do?


* The guitar player insists on playing so fucking loud that I switched from my custom plugs to full foam. We're in the living room of the bass player's house and the drummer has to mic his kick and snare so they can be heard. I measured the band at well over 100 dB. They also play from 2 to 7 or 8 pm every Saturday. While I love playing, that puts a serious cramp on those days. That being said, they are one of the best group of guys I've played with, no drama, no hassles if I need to skip a jam, etc. They do seem to understand that once they play out, they wouldn't be that loud. I'm also hoping they don't try to have rehearsals on gig weekends but that hasn't been discussed yet.


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“I am currently following CDC guidelines on social distancing to prevent the spread of disease. I really want to play with you guys, I want to stay with the band, and if you go on without me, I would totally understand. If, when I'm ready, you still don't have a keyboard player and you want me, I'm in. Keep me posted."

I would say that.


You may welcome a loud guitar player when this is over....

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Whoever suggested or even thought of the meet is an irresponsible idiot.

Follow the guidelines then add a safety factor into your isolation routine is surely the way to go.

If someone becomes ill, who is it that then will look after them?

Do they really want to potentially pass on a known killer virus to the very people who are already putting their lives at risk caring for those who are ill?


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Great idea, but it's too early to tell. Let's see how things are looking in two weeks. Repeat until the time is right.

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The social distancing and In Shelter orders is our only sure defense against Covid 19. spread.

A jam isn't worth playing with fire. We don't even know if the masks will work. Its easy to touch ones face.
Someone in the room coughs, sneezes after a few hours, and the virus is air borne.

Your answer is good. Think we have to do our part and sacrifice. It could easily continue thru summer.

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From a place where the curve maybe flattening and new daily cases daily are falling, but early days, our Chief Medical Officer is telling us 6 months. And that will be a gradual relaxation with an emphasis on jobs. Pubs, clubs and large gatherings may have to wait for a vaccine to be available before reopening. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, you would each be fined $1,100 if the police found out a band was rehearsing in someone's home.


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Up here in Canada, everything is cancelled/closed until June 30. Even at that, I highly doubt July 1 will be a sudden epic party (although it's Canada Day, so it might be...)

The guitar player suggesting "a couple of weeks" is foolhardy & optimistic at best and completely reckless at worst. I'm looking at stats every day and staying the eff home.


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From what I have read , do not know if it's true or not , 80 degree weather will kill the virus , so for right now I am hoping for global warming .

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word of wisdom from David Ryshpan, Joe. He is spot on here


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Nashville waited a long time before shutting down. Your guitar player sounds like the type who's been cavalier about this, going about his business in contact with lots of people. And doing it in an area that's likely to soon emerge as a hotspot. He could be asymptomatic. People fitting that profile should be given a wide berth. I'd give it at least a month.

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Originally Posted by pianomike
From what I have read , do not know if it's true or not , 80 degree weather will kill the virus , so for right now I am hoping for global warming .

Unfortunately for you, the inactivity caused by the virus has slowed emissions that cause global warming. It's a double bind!


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No, too early. Not worth the risk. Death is final and this pandemic is not even close to over.
Knowing that they'll miss you when you are truly gone isn't helpful.

Plus...

Does the guitarist aim his amp at his head? His amp should be very close to him and aimed directly at his ears.
I am an electric lead guitar player, I am DONE with bands where somebody plays too loud. That isn't worth it either. I've learned to play and sing with earplugs in, have done enough damage already.

Yes, I know - "He can't get his tone from the amp until it's turned up a bit." Heard it a million times, used to do it myself.
Correct answer - "You don't have a tone, the amp does. So get an amp that sounds good when it isn't stupid loud."

They exist, I have 3 or 4 different ones that I use. Most likely, he will set his feet and not consider it. Buh-bye!
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Originally Posted by pianomike
From what I have read , do not know if it's true or not , 80 degree weather will kill the virus , so for right now I am hoping for global warming .

thats a myth- the 80 degree weather thing.

Listen to qualified health authorities. And proven science.

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Now, I could live with possibly contracting a deadly virus, but a way too loud guitar player? No way, José.


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Hell if I know what I would do if I felt good. But I’m at home with a sore throat, fever and a cough. So I’m not getting out. This might actually be something bad now.

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Just wait until the guitar player turns down. The virus will certainly have passed by then. rimshot


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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
But at this point, I hate the chance of going near anybody and I can't see doing this at all in the foreseeable future and I don't know when I'd be comfortable doing so.

My mantra for bands has always been "if it's not comfortable, don't" and in this case that would be x100. Use CDC and local guidelines for cover if needed.

There are only seven confirmed cases in my local community, but I know one - an otherwise healthy man in his late 30s who is currently in ICU fighting for his life. There's a certain randomness to this virus that's really scary.

An added thought: When these guys say they won't play as loud on a gig, don't believe it. They'll be louder.

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If I had to guess, I think something similar is likely for me. The rest of the band wasn't nearly as worried about this from the start as I have been--though the singer is from Queens and may know some people affected at this point...it is really bad there.

I don't see myself gigging for several months, if at all over the next year, which probably means I"m out of the band.

The reality is though that I live in a house with four other people, two of which are the most at-risk. We'd all have to stay distanced to avoid the virus, otherwise one of us will bring it home. Hopefully treatments and eventually a vaccine can come along.

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Originally Posted by Bill H.
An added thought: When these guys say they won't play as loud on a gig, don't believe it. They'll be louder.

Oh my god, and how. Perhaps the most true statement I've read on this forum.


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Sorry to anyone who thinks that 80 degrees is going to kill the virus off. My cousin is working in Africa, he says it’s currently 95 where he is, and they’ve recently had nearly a dozen cases local to him. I know the Donald said that the heat would kill it off, but he’s wrong.


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Hope it’s just a touch of flu CEB, and that you’ll be OK.


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First, a Get Well soon to CEB!!!
We've had a cold running around up here and it gets a bit scary.
I had it, but it went away.

Next - anybody wants to see if this is serious or not can keep tabs on this page. Not political, a simple tabulation of total confirmed US cases and total deaths, updated daily. https://www.covidus.com/coronavirus/usa/
The graphs are all still headed upwards, as long as they do that socializing of the sort mentioned in the OP is OUT.


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Originally Posted by pianomike
From what I have read , do not know if it's true or not , 80 degree weather will kill the virus , so for right now I am hoping for global warming .

Temperature readings for the 31 days of March in south Louisiana equaled or exceeded 80 F a total of 18 days, the highest being 89. Eight of those days reached 85 or higher.

Wishing everyone all the best.

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Something else to consider. While the current numbers are scary, the actual situation on the ground is unknown for a variety of reasons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/...p;module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article


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Heck, I don't want to socialize, even right away when restrictions are lifted; and that rules out jumping back into gigs quickly. A lot of fests and big events around here have been cancelled from now through mid-July. I've already lost several of those. There are a couple in early to mid June that haven't cancelled yet, but I'm not in favor of playing those; depending on the circumstances I may just not play. Unfortunately I live in a region that has a large fringe of folks in 'denial'... Some people are chomping at the bit to get 'back to normal' quickly, but I feel that even with limited restrictions we'll likely have a bad second wave of this. I'd be much more comfortable considering doing the gigs I have booked in very late July through late August. Even then I might wear a black bandanna. duck

It's sucks to be stuck inside 5 - 6 days out of the week, and masked, etc. the rest of the time. and losing $$ is bad. But I'd rather have to renegotiate a couple debts than become dust prematurely...

Take care, CEB; get plenty of rest, and keep an eye on those symptoms! Hopefully it's just a wicked rhinovirus like the one I just got past. No indication of Covid 19 symptoms, but it was a rough one. Zinc supplements and sunshine are the least I'm doing now. So far so good.


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Joe, you're in Houston. Texas governor has issued stay at home order until April 30. Tell them you'll consider after April 30. If the governor extends the order (which he should), then extend your consideration. The order "requires all Texans to stay at home except to provide essential services or do essential things like going to the grocery store," Abbott said. The order is now in place until April 30. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/0...rder-its-rules-match-those-other-states/

If it was me, I'd just say hell no, not until I'm reasonably sure this thing has passed.

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Originally Posted by Six-string-man
I know the Donald said that the heat would kill it off, but he’s wrong.
Hopefully, since you didn't specify which Donald, you're safe from politics. idk

Anyway, the actual quote by some Donald or another -- from early March, when none of us knew where this was going -- was
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The virus that we’re talking about having to do, a lot of people think that goes away in April, with the heat, as the heat comes in, typically that will go away in April[.]

You're right about heat not slowing the spread, but please don't conflate a month-ago expression of hope with present tense "wrong."


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Originally Posted by GregC
thats a myth- the 80 degree weather thing.
Maybe they meant weather above 80 Celsius? wave


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Originally Posted by Morizzle
Now, I could live with possibly contracting a deadly virus, but a way too loud guitar player? No way, José.
A too-loud guitarist may be just the thing that drives the virus away?


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Now, I could live with possibly contracting a deadly virus, but a way too loud guitar player? No way, José.
A too-loud guitarist may be just the thing that drives the virus away?

It brought down Manuel Noriega...

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thats a myth- the 80 degree weather thing.
Maybe they meant weather above 80 Celsius? wave

that was funny ! There's a planet with that temp. Good place for testing 'theories '.

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I’m pretty much in the same position as Allan, we had a nice offline chat the other day. I personally won’t feel “100%” comfortable until 1. I contract the virus and get through it (i.e., with immunity), or 2., a vaccine is developed, or 3. a treatment is developed/reasonably available. Option #2 is certainly the preferred course of action, but that appears to be a long way off. Until then, it’s proportion of comfort thereof, and there are a lot of random, extraneous variables involved...especially when it comes to playing out...and I’m not sure how my threshold will evolve as we begin to turn the corner on this thing. Unfortunately, I suspect some of my bandmates’ attitudes will be considerably less cautious than my own.


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I've considered a similar situation as I was supposed to have a few friends come and work on some recordings this summer (drums, keys, guitar). No way it's happening. For your own health you need to wait until there's a vaccine or the virus is no longer an issue. I wouldn't risk that for anything (and especially not with a loud guitarist). Don't do it. If it takes six months, isn't it better to be alive then than to go next week and be dead in a month?

Just an idea, maybe you guys can try and become beta testers for Bandhug.com? It's a site a friend has been working on and the goal is to have a platform where people can collaborate on songs while having video recorded at the same time. Basically something like what Bandhub was before it closed down. Doesn't work with iOS right now, but it's working with Mac, Windows, and Android. There's a Facebook group you can join and ask. Right now it's in development and we're trying to work out the kinks as it's a lot more involved than one would think to get something that syncs and works well. Not promotion, just an idea if you and these guys are chomping at the bit.


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Originally Posted by Morizzle
Now, I could live with possibly contracting a deadly virus, but a way too loud guitar player? No way, José.
And other comments about him playing loud, thanks for the laugh

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An added thought: When these guys say they won't play as loud on a gig, don't believe it. They'll be louder.

Oh my god, and how. Perhaps the most true statement I've read on this forum.
It's definitely a concern. As a guitar playing friend said to me though, if they play that loud, the clubs won't have them/us back. So hopefully that will keep it in check. We will see, if there are any clubs left when this is all over (one blues club started a fundraiser on FB to raise money for the rent. frown )

I haven't heard anything from them since the message thread the other night. Like I said, I'm letting it go for now until or unless they start pushing it. Even the drummer didn't respond and when the band broke up he told me how disappointed he was, so he might be unwilling until it's all over as well. I hope.


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Joe stay at home. Just stay at home.

The guitarist is only thinking of himself. Also if hes too loud he won't change. And id feel peeved he leaves for bigger lights only to fail and think he can come sashaying back into town and make you all jump to his tune. Hee hee

My band are being very thoughtful on my behalf as I have only a 33% capacity lung condition. They were quick to stop practises as they were worried i could carc it easily if i caught it which was made apparent to them a year and a half ago when i got pneumonia after a gig. I caught it off the old guitarists wife who had the flu or something at the gig.

It knocked me about. Within a day i was ill eventually to a point when i wished it would take me but i got thru it but went from my 20 years of 50% lung capacity down to 33%. Now i have trouble walking let alone carrying gear. But i still sing strong and can sit playing all night thank god. Just cant lug without looking like ive done a marathon.

So good guys. And we have a new guitarists since then who doesnt play loud. Where the previous guitarist did. So a great lineup. One i wouldnt want to leave but also I think this will be my last band so hanging on to it.

My wife is very scared of loosing me so she has instilled a more careful attitude in me then id probably apply but i realise now this virus is bad.

So Joe stay at home. The guitarist is back because he failed and i dont feel you owe him anything as he left for so called greener pastures.

You asked what would i do.

Guitarist wise:
Well i would have looked for a new guitarist the night he left. In fact thats what i did and within a week i found the new guitarist online and local. Ironically i was sad the old guitarist left from the point of view he was a great guy. But relieved i would not have to wear earplugs again which i havent.

For the virus:
if it came to practising before the safety time is up id have to pick leaving the band for my wifes sake. She deserves it as she has to pickup the pieces if i cark it as any band wont be there after im a "piece of meat in the ground" will they.

Cheers from a place just approaching winter so flu season is also apon us shortly.

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Hee hee

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I'll tell you a quick story; the French government announced the first mesures on the 12 of mars. Full confinement started a few days later, Tuesday the 17.
On friday the 13 there was a rehearsal planned, the last rehersal for a show that had to be on the 21 (i kind of school show).
I was in doubt all the day, but finally after discussing with my family, and considering that we knew how bad it could get based on the italian situation at the time,
i announced to the other participants that i was giving up, and starting a strict confinement, so effectively stopping the show (that anyway didn't happended, but i did not know at the time).

I felt guilty, paranoid, maybe stupid.

The younger members of the show met for a beer that evening.

After 15 days, the (female) drummer told me that on the morning of the 14th she was ill, fever, lost smell, and a lot of other problems; it was the coronavirus.
After 15 days, she is fine, she did not needed hospital care.

But she is young; if i had not stopped the rehearsal i would have spoken all the evening with her (she is the drummer in another project i participate).
And may be i wouldn't had been here to write this message (i am not young anymore, you never know).

So, yes, stay home, music can wait.

And the most important, CEB, are you ok ?

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I hope CEB is doing well.

I've been the bad guy in the band -- I refuse to schedule rehearsals or gigs until there's clear evidence we're past this thing. Y'all want to play without me, that's AOK. In practical terms, that means we're done for the season here, and probably won't get together again until Sept/Oct, which should be OK with precautions.


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After I started this thread, I remembered a funny aside about the guitar player. He's French. I'm not saying his parents were from France, I'm saying he's so thick I can't always understand what he's saying French! I mean, I can't remember what chords it was, but one time he was telling me the chords to a tune and when I played them it was wrong. Turns out he said G and it sounded like D or vice versa, something like that.

I bring that up because I would think he knows how bad it is in Europe.

Also, Aussiekeys, we did look for another guitar player for a minute after he told us he was leaving. It was weird, I talked to someone I knew, so did someone else in the band, neither could do it, and then suddenly the bass player said he was going to explore other options and we were done. It seems without this guitar player the bass player wasn't interested. I had moved on to other things myself. I can keep going with that for as long as it takes.

Don't worry about me, I'm not doing it until I'm confident about my own health and that of others. If that takes a year, that's what it takes. It's too inconvenient to play in a plastic bubble. wink


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It's too inconvenient to play in a plastic bubble. wink


Hee hee . Just make it a sound proof plastic bubble and you won't hear that bloody guitarist.

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And CEB look after yourself.

Being more of a lurker on here than poster for 15 years both you ....CEB and Joe are contributers on here i often read. Yeah fair dinkum. You hardly know me but i know you guys.

If you think about it you give pleasure and knowledge to more people than the data here shows.

If i was American id say "we're rooting for you"

But if i said that in Australia theyd think it was an orgy.

Hee hee. Ah the colloquialism of words eh!

Hope that gives you a laugh?

Stay positive. And joke/laugh your way thru it. Its helped me thru pneumonia and the more sedate damaged lung years.

This is gonna sound weird but hey i probably am weird but having had this lung problem for 20 years the way i coped with it was to treat it like its your badge of honour.

You know that scar on your face from that motorcycle race you almost won or that missing arm from the great white shark that got you in Bondi when you were competing in the Ironman race. And you still finished.

Find a thing, a joke, a badge of honour to keep in your head. its just another thing you have or can overcome and have a joke to your friends about it and it will strengthen your resolve. I do it. Ive got thru.

Or just read the shite I write and laugh your head off.

Hey i write too much thats why over the years i lurk more than write on here hee hee

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Originally Posted by AUSSIEKEYS
CEB and Joe are contributers on here i often read. Yeah fair dinkum.
Mate everyone will be Googling that now!

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CEB and Joe are contributers on here i often read. Yeah fair dinkum.
Mate everyone will be Googling that now!

Hee hee tell me what you find.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIEKEYS
CEB and Joe are contributers on here i often read. Yeah fair dinkum.
Mate everyone will be Googling that now!

Hee hee tell me what you find.
As it happens I can understand you without the benefit of Google, being a native Strine speaker. It’s English I struggle with!

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I just checked Ed’s (CEB) FB page and he posted a couple of hours ago, so apparently he’s okay. I guess he just hasn’t visited KC in a bit.


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As it happens I can understand you without the benefit of Google, being a native Strine speaker. It’s English I struggle with!


Hee hee so you're a "Dinky Di" Aussie

Let them google that hee hee.

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Originally Posted by AUSSIEKEYS
Originally Posted by CowboyNQ
As it happens I can understand you without the benefit of Google, being a native Strine speaker. It’s English I struggle with!


Hee hee so you're a "Dinky Di" Aussie

Let them google that hee hee.

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"How long would you wait?"

Until the check clears!

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CEB I hope you are getting better.

As far as 80 degree weather killing it - No, it doesn't. We've had some hot days here in Florida, and the cases are still going up. We're up over 100 cases here in Brevard County, and that number is rising every day.

The drummer in one of my bands a few weeks ago suggested getting together for rehearsal. I gave a very stern and definite NO!

I love playing, and I enjoy the music and company with both bands, but I'm not going to risk it.


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I don't know Joe but the whole thing is annoying. They cancelled some big festivals into August this summer and musicians are hurting. What we don't know is if clubs and venues will shell out money for entertainment when they are operating in the red. The other huge thing is how many people will want to rush out and be next to 40 people crowded around a stage when the band is lifted. People in my band are wanting to try to practice virtually which is not realistic. Music is a face to face business most of the time. I realize we can't do that now but I'd rather wait it out than make huge changes in how I do things.


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So, this just happened. rolleyes

Yesterday's Dictionary.com word of the day was force majure. I was thinking my reply would be simply those two words. grin

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Too many blanket statements in this thread.

1. A seasonal virus like the flu only means the rate on infections slows in the summer months, it does NOT mean it goes away completely. Plenty of people still get the flu in August but it's a fraction of the number who get it in December. Warm weather and higher humidity tends to suppress the growth of these types of viruses. Not stop, just slow it down. On the macro level if the rate of infections slows by say 50% well, that's still a good thing, it relieves the hospitals and buys us some time to develop treatments.

2. COVID 19 is one of many strains of COVID viruses. The others are mostly seasonal so it's not unreasonable to postulate this one could be seasonal too and many doctors have said that it is "fairly likely" but of course too soon to say for sure.. If some of you don't know that then you're not paying attention.

3. Even if it is seasonal, all doctors say if someone is infected and coughs in your face you are likely to get it regardless of the weather. See #1.

Bottom line it's incorrect to simply say the warm weather idea is bogus. It isn't. It's also incorrect to say we'll all be saved by the weather. We won't.

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So, this just happened. rolleyes

Yesterday's Dictionary.com word of the day was force majeure. I was thinking my reply would be simply those two words. grin

Corrected. smile


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In regards to Covid it might be appropriate to speak of force manure.


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Is it possible to practice social distancing while practicing with a band? Can members be 10 feet apart and still hear each other well enough to practice?

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Originally Posted by MAJUSCULE
Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
So, this just happened. rolleyes

Yesterday's Dictionary.com word of the day was force majeure. I was thinking my reply would be simply those two words. grin

Corrected. smile
facepalm sorry. I usually chek that kinda shet.
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Is it possible to practice social distancing while practicing with a band? Can members be 10 feet apart and still hear each other well enough to practice?
I could probably be 100 yards away from this guitar player and still hear him clearly. rolleyes


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I got a text from the bass player on Friday, "We're jamming tomorrow [Saturday], if you want to break the fast" along with a photo of a set list. I told him no, then suggested doing future jams on his patio.

"Would you guys consider doing it with distancing? Like if we could set up on your patio so that everyone is 6+ feet apart, we don’t touch each other’s gear, and do the set up (and going through the house if necessary to get there) without coming close to each other? I know some bands have done “driveway concerts” this way. Of course, your neighbors have to not mind the noise. I know you have less than most but you have some."

He lives on a dead end, that ends at the bayou. Behind his house is an empty cul-de-sac where the county bought and tore down all the houses including the slabs because they had been flooded numerous times (they offered him and his neighbors but they stayed). Beyond that is more empty land. So he doesn't have a lot of neighbors to bother.

That was yesterday morning. I had hoped he might discuss with the other guys at the jam and get back to me. He didn't.


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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
I got a text from the bass player on Friday, "We're jamming tomorrow [Saturday], if you want to break the fast" along with a photo of a set list. I told him no, then suggested doing future jams on his patio.

So did they "jam" without you, or not go at all? idk


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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
I could probably be 100 yards away from this guitar player and still hear him clearly. rolleyes

Lateny at 100 yards is untenable.
A billion years ago I took my new wireless setup to a friend's house, he had a 160 watt SS Peavey amp with a pair of Black Widow 12" in it. LOUDER than LOUD!!!!

So we turned it up a bit and I started playing and walking down the road. Didn't have to go very far before delay set in.

10'-15' should be no problem.

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And CEB look after yourself.

Being more of a lurker on here than poster for 15 years both you ....CEB and Joe are contributers on here i often read. Yeah fair dinkum. You hardly know me but i know you guys.

If you think about it you give pleasure and knowledge to more people than the data here shows.

If i was American id say "we're rooting for you"

But if i said that in Australia theyd think it was an orgy.

Hee hee. Ah the colloquialism of words eh!

Hope that gives you a laugh?

Stay positive. And joke/laugh your way thru it. Its helped me thru pneumonia and the more sedate damaged lung years.

This is gonna sound weird but hey i probably am weird but having had this lung problem for 20 years the way i coped with it was to treat it like its your badge of honour.

You know that scar on your face from that motorcycle race you almost won or that missing arm from the great white shark that got you in Bondi when you were competing in the Ironman race. And you still finished.

Find a thing, a joke, a badge of honour to keep in your head. its just another thing you have or can overcome and have a joke to your friends about it and it will strengthen your resolve. I do it. Ive got thru.

Or just read the shite I write and laugh your head off.

Hey i write too much thats why over the years i lurk more than write on here hee hee

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Whilst quite a few belittle the state the world is in at present and as we see on our News, quite a growing group want an end to the restrictions there is one thing to remember:-

You are still alive.

Fail to take this seriously and it could bite you in the ass, then what will happen to all your accumulated kit, sold off to pay for your funeral.

Stay safe, take little steps on the road to whatever normality will be in the future.

Enjoy life

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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
I could probably be 100 yards away from this guitar player and still hear him clearly. rolleyes

Lateny at 100 yards is untenable.
Not if the guitar player usually rushes. It all might come out in the wash! roll


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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
I could probably be 100 yards away from this guitar player and still hear him clearly. rolleyes

Lateny at 100 yards is untenable.
Not if the guitar player usually rushes. It all might come out in the wash! roll

Or likewise, if the rest of the band is slow on the draw...


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
I got a text from the bass player on Friday, "We're jamming tomorrow [Saturday], if you want to break the fast" along with a photo of a set list. I told him no, then suggested doing future jams on his patio.

So did they "jam" without you, or not go at all? idk
I assume so, since they apparently got together a couple of weeks ago when I last posted about it around 10 April.

Latency at 100 yards is the least of my worries nowadays. grin


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Lateny at 100 yards is untenable.
A billion years ago I took my new wireless setup to a friend's house, he had a 160 watt SS Peavey amp with a pair of Black Widow 12" in it. LOUDER than LOUD!!!!

So we turned it up a bit and I started playing and walking down the road. Didn't have to go very far before delay set in.

10'-15' should be no problem.
I gig with a wireless sax mic. Once a night I might stroll out into the audience. Sometimes I've strolled out the door. What I've noticed is that when I do that, I'm instantly out of time with the band. I also get out of time when I don't leave the room but the room is large and I go way out into it. If I get, say, 50 feet away from the band, it all goes to hell pretty quickly. I've learned to stay closer to the band, stay on the dance floor, mingle with the dancers, lie on my back on the dance floor, stunts like that. I've tried to walk out the front door and come in the back while soloing, which got some laughs, but it's just a circus act and the music sucked.

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I was planning a jam in my back yard with everybody at least 8 feet apart, but I think I'm going to cancel. I'm not very comfortable with the idea, I'm at high risk, and the San Francisco Bay Area county health officers are extending the shelter in place stay-at-home orders until the end of May.

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Originally Posted by El Lobo
I was planning a jam in my back yard with everybody at least 8 feet apart, but I think I'm going to cancel. I'm not very comfortable with the idea, I'm at high risk, and the San Francisco Bay Area county health officers are extending the shelter in place stay-at-home orders until the end of May.
Be safe, no regrets!

A friend texted me today and offered $40 to meet him nearby at the elder care facility where his Mom resides. He needed a witness to the signing of a document.
I am in a higher risk age group and elder care facilities are very high risk areas.

I declined, told him I only shop for groceries because I must eat - otherwise I am at home getting things done. During previous times I might have just done it for free but nobody has enough money now because there isn't enough.
I really like being alive and healthy!!!!! Cheers, Kuru


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