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Because it seems to be impacting a lot of different places. I haven't encountered anyone with the disease (although I have a lingering suspicion I might have encountered it around NAMM) but people hoarding goods has come to my neck of the woods as well. My friends and fam in The Netherlands say the same, empty shelves in stores across the nation: so far COVID-19 seems to particularly affect availability of toilet paper, no idea why. My son is coming home tomorrow because all classes at his university have been postponed until at least 3/31.

Has anybody here contracted the virus? What's the situation in your hood/town/state/country?

Stay healthy, all.

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Empty shelves in UK as well. No toilet paper locally. It’s truly bizarre, do these people think that they’ll be sh*tting copious amounts at some point?

Some of these videos showing people fighting for toilet roll, absolute morons who obviously spend too much time reading social media.


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I just used a roll of tissue thinking about this COVID-19. I wash my hands more than my ass now but they are so many unknowns about the virus so it's better to be safe than sorry.

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From another thread:

Originally Posted by MotiDave

I’m a skeptic in general of most hysteria, this one is no different. Hope i don’t offend anyone by not personally buying the panic, I’m not judging how others feel about it. Its none of my business how others feel, to me it seems like the flu.


It's not the flu. From livescience.com:

"Death rate

The death rate from seasonal flu is typically around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times. 

The death rate for COVID-19 appears to be higher than that of the flu. 

In the study published Feb. 18 in the China CDC Weekly, researchers found a death rate from COVID-19 to be around 2.3% in mainland China. Another study of about 1,100 hospitalized patients in China, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, found that the overall death rate was slightly lower, around 1.4%.

Still, the death rate for COVID-19 appears to vary by location and an individual's age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%, according to the China CDC Weekly study. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 have been reported. 

Though the death rate for COVID-19 is unclear, most research suggests it is higher than that of the seasonal flu."

My wife is a hospitalist nurse practitioner. In her hospital there are, at this moment, 2 cases of COVID-19 and 4 doctors quarantined, including one who works in a very small office with my wife. It may mean nothing. Or I may already have been exposed and am sharing this with my own patients. Yes, I wash my hands. But we have no N95s in the office. Cool, huh? Interestingly enough, the daily update on the local news hasn't included either of these cases. Gotta keep those numbers low. And sick or not, my wife will be called in to work extra. Because that's what happens.

Now if I could just shake this cough.

Edit: The morning news has just reported one of the two cases.


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Thank you for this thread Z.

There are a handful of cases in my small state (CT), but not in my small community. More in MA, where my two kids study. Their colleges are terminating on-campus housing and will finish the spring semesters online. My daughter comes home tomorrow and my son comes home in a week. Yesterday I visited five stores. Shelves are 1/10 empty on average. Specific items such as toilet paper are sold-out. Retail and pharmacy lines are long. Ways of thinking have changed in the last three days, as far as I can tell. People are cocooning.

Expert consensus is that things will get worse before they get better, which is normal for an outbreak in it's early stages. The CDC's statistical forecasts are sobering. I use the Johns Hopkins Tracker for an overview of the current state, while realizing the current state tells us very little.

We are all in this together. Make music. Tell someone you love them. Stay safe. 🙏

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A Church in California suspends its faith healing due to the Corona virus.


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A Church in California suspends its faith healing due to the Corona virus.

Yeah, it’s best to take it easy with the ‘laying on of hands’ and blessings.

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Gigs and students fading fast in the NYC tri-state area. Going to be like this for the next two weeks minimum.

Grocery stores have been ransacked for non perishables and TP and the like.

On the up side, it’s a sunny Saturday and I’m with my family with no place to be. I’ll take it.


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Originally Posted by zephonic
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so far COVID-19 seems to particularly affect availability of toilet paper, no idea why. My son is coming home tomorrow because all classes at his university have been postponed until at least 3/31.




the toilet paper mania is a target for anxiety. The panic buying of TP is irrational.
TP is made in Mexico and Canada, no big deal.

All that said, I am writing a new song titled.." Toilet Paper Panic ". wink

It will be followed up by another original titled " 100 Cases of Top Ramen "

Music to listen to while standing in line at Costco etc

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Been a run on handgun and 223 ammo. A line of people waiting to file FFL paperwork at Academy last night. If you know what Bucee's is, there was probably 300 people in their store yesterday. Just packed. Covid19 has nothing on beaver nuggets.

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Originally Posted by zephonic
Beca

so far COVID-19 seems to particularly affect availability of toilet paper, no idea why. My son is coming home tomorrow because all classes at his university have been postponed until at least 3/31.




the toilet paper mania is a target for anxiety. The panic buying of TP is irrational.
TP is made in Mexico and Canada, no big deal.

All that said, I am writing a new song titled.." Toilet Paper Panic ". wink

It will be followed up by another original titled " 100 Cases of Top Ramen "

Music to listen to while standing in line at Costco etc


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Living in Seattle through all of this has been slightly surreal. It has acted like a preview of what the rest of the country has been waking up to at a variety of paces, and as a fascinating study in human behavior. People are edgy and simply don't know how to direct that energy effectively. One news story about a store running out of toilet paper turns into people trying to control one of the few comforts they can exercise any control over and it snowballs from there. There are other evident shortages, too. We couldn't find any zinc lozenges nor any isopropyl alcohol when we stocked up a week back.

I've been working from home for more than a week now, and that has been interesting. I work for a company with some pretty heavy networking infrastructure and lots of good tools for teams that are geographically distributed, and it's working pretty well for everyone at home as well. What I really enjoy is the peek into everyone's lives once the professional facade of working in an office drops. There are kids running through the video feeds, and bits of personality showing up in the background, and everyone is somehow more relaxed and themselves despite being on edge. Working from home for the foreseeable future also affords another opportunity: my wife and I are packing up today and moving to our Maui residence tomorrow where I can work just as effectively and the climate appears to offer more of a natural barrier to the spread of the virus. In theory.

It means I'll be away from my keys and drums, which is disappointing, but I'll have a guitar and a bass from the outset and the plan was always to build out a functioning home studio there as well. It might just happen a little faster than originally planned.


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Isolation is interesting. In my family of four we're on our 10th day of mild-but-persistent fever. No other symptoms and other than a high temp we feel not so bad. Other than walking the dog we pretty much stopped going out as soon as the fever started. I'm still going out for jogs, much to my wife's dismay. The toughest part has been trying not to get on each other's nerves. I love my kids, but being with them 24/7 is starting to drive me bonkers. But if that's our biggest problem, we're doing ok.

Finally organizing my garage (it only took a global pandemic). Playing keyboards with headphones for a couple hours after family goes to sleep (not unusual).

Reading and posting more than usual on this forum. Y'all are helping keep me sane. Keep it up.





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From Dr. Anderton's forum:

Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
An important interview, please watch this. A specialist on infectious diseases speaks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZF...tWoQvta8KS40AX8kl53VLFkyA_SMEIyOY1EoH478


I think this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

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Hope to hear from our forumites in Italy. Hope you guys stay well!


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Cancelled gigs? I've got a few upcoming that may be cancelled. The drummer in one of my bands says he's not playing out so that may shut down one of the gigs even if the venue doesn't. Friends are still playing club gigs and getting crowds but concerts are cancelled. How are y'all doing?

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Originally Posted by Lady Gaia
People are edgy and simply don't know how to direct that energy effectively. One news story about a store running out of toilet paper turns into people trying to control one of the few comforts they can exercise any control over and it snowballs from there. There are other evident shortages, too. We couldn't find any zinc lozenges nor any isopropyl alcohol when we stocked up a week back.


That's a really good point.

I'm seeing this here as well. No sense boring anyone with details, but our life changed significantly over the last 5 days, and we are still emotionally navigating our way through all the imposed changes and possible consequences.

Like everyone else is.


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
From Dr. Anderton's forum:

Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
An important interview, please watch this. A specialist on infectious diseases speaks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZF...tWoQvta8KS40AX8kl53VLFkyA_SMEIyOY1EoH478


I think this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

dB


Unfortunately I think you're right. On an optimistic note maybe when this is all over the world will be a less ugly place.

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I heard a doctor on the radio yesterday who mentioned the problem with this virus is that no one has immunity. Consequently, he said there are two central ways of dealing with this:

1. Containment

2. Mitigation

He said that containment includes things like quarantine and isolation.

What I found more compelling was mitigation, which he described as a “social contract” to behave responsibly. This means doing things like coughing/sneezing into your arm or tissue, standing six feet away from others, etc. He said the challenging component here is determining how many people you trust will do this. In a small office setting, say of 5-10 people, you probably have high trust that folks will behave responsibly. In a concert setting or athletic event of 20,000 people, trusting that everyone will behave responsibly is low. But the dilemma is where to draw the line? 25 people? 50 people? 250 people?

He said the mathematics of pathogen spread is staggering, and the goal of the above is to “flatten the curve” (i.e., slow the spread) to allow more time for medical intervention.

Unrelated to the above, I found the passage below to be quite nice. Hope you like it as much as I do.

“One of the brand new terms that has entered our daily conversation is “social distancing.” It is shorthand, as we know very well, for the practical physical precautions that we all need to and must take in order to protect ourselves and others. I’d humbly suggest though, that we use the term itself sparingly, if at all. Language is a powerful shaper of thinking. And the very last thing we need right now is a mindset of mutual distancing. We actually need to be thinking in the exact opposite way. Every hand that we don’t shake must be a phone call that we place. Every embrace that we avoid must become a verbal expression of warmth and concern. Every inch and every foot that we physically place between ourselves and another, must become a thought as to how we might be of help to that other, should the need arise.”


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Originally Posted by Moonglow
I heard a doctor on the radio yesterday who mentioned the problem with this virus is that no one has immunity. Consequently, he said there are two central ways of dealing with this:

1. Containment

2. Mitigation

He said that containment includes things like quarantine and isolation.




Some kind of anti viral inoculation or 'cure ' is down the road. I would say later this year, possibly next.
There was a report that a lab in Israel stumbled upon a potential inoculation.

Realistically, folks have to pull together, stay informed and work as a community to beat down and control this thing.

No quick fix.

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Here in Portland the Clampdown has begun in earnest.
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I heard a doctor on the radio yesterday .........He said the mathematics of pathogen spread is staggering, and the goal of the above is to “flatten the curve” (i.e., slow the spread) to allow more time for medical intervention.

The math of an exponential increase is truly staggering!

I found a nice article that covers this issue very nicely. Written by an engineer, it uses just the right amount of math and clear talk, and helps visualize why extreme social distancing is a very useful tool in a pandemic:

Coronovirus - act today or people will die
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Articles like this really help clarify things.

Useful for for explaining to others, and for reminding yourself smirk

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Useful for for explaining to others, and for reminding yourself smirk

Thanks for that. The physician I referenced in my previous post said everyone should "act like they have the virus" to minimize spread.


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Seems KC is as good a place as any to develop some COVID-19 themes. Here are a few nonsensical tries

If you don't want Corona, then avoid the bologna

If the mask doesn't fit, then you must transmit

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All my gigs for March have been cancelled & most of the gigs in April as well. In my neck of the woods, schools are closed till after easter. I suspect the music school I teach at won't be open much longer.

So now I'm wondering about options for teaching remotely - maybe I should open a new thread for that? I'm thinking about which route to go, Skype and WhatsApp-Video or a more sophisticated streaming software/app?


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Originally Posted by Morizzle
All my gigs for March have been cancelled & most of the gigs in April as well. In my neck of the woods, schools are closed till after easter. I suspect the music school I teach at won't be open much longer.

So now I'm wondering about options for teaching remotely - maybe I should open a new thread for that? I'm thinking about which route to go, Skype and WhatsApp-Video or a more sophisticated streaming software/app?


The second I posted that, a colleague texted me that he had set up a multi cam teaching account on discord, so I'll try going the same route. I'll let you know how it goes.


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I'm pretty unhappy that my gig tonight hasn't been cancelled. The only reason I'm doing it is that it's outdoors, the band plays well away from any patrons and can load in from a side entrance where the door is propped open.

The reason I'm unhappy is that going out to it undercuts my attempts to reason with my mom, who "isn't worried at all". Hard to make a point about social distancing...yes, it's "work" and we have, if not a contract, an obligation to do to the gig to the establishment, but I wish I wasn't going.

Hopefully there is something to the warmer climate thing, as Florida is quite hot right now. But so far I don't think there is much evidence of that, Singapore and other warm countries have seen spread.

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Originally Posted by Morizzle
All my gigs for March have been cancelled & most of the gigs in April as well.


Yup, all my March gigs canceled or postponed until further notice. Only my church gig hasn't been canceled yet, so far.

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