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Looks like two products: Mojo Desktop and a Mojo Classic? Could be wrong. Either way, excited to see what comes of it.


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I'm curious too (not that I'll be replacing my new XT anytime soon). They've been teasing the "Classic" since last fall, but this is the first I've seen anything about a Desktop (do you think that'll basically be a VB3 module?).


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maybe they are resurrecting the hamicord ? and with a DSP chip this time .

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So cool! Can't wait to see this. I've thought about getting the Legend module to use in some rig configurations where it doesn't make sense to bring my Mojo 61. The Legend would get the job done, but it's heavy and bulky. And it's not the Mojo. I hope and expect the Mojo desktop will be a more streamlined unit. And perhaps it will have other sounds as well? Hopes run high.


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Other than the word 'desktop' popping up in the video for two seconds (so assuming a desktop version) this video pretty much tells me nothing. Classic could be that the desktop will have the classic layout (4 sets of drawbars, etc..). I'm not going to speculate about it, because the 30 second 'commercial' is so damn cryptic it's not worth my time.

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One thing we know for certain is it's coming either April 6 or June 4.


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Originally Posted by drawback
One thing we know for certain is it's coming either April 6 or June 4.

ha! I believe Italians date code (Day)/(Month)/(Year). So April 6th it is!

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Crumar's FB post said April 6, 2020. (I tried to attach a screenshot in a couple of different formats but the attachment manager kept not working right.)


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Originally Posted by drawback
One thing we know for certain is it's coming either April 6 or June 4.

LOL


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"Errrrumph?!" (my best head coming up Scooby doo impression)

Nothing like a new product to throw my already confused rig plans up in the air! grin

One of my rig options was to get the Legend module, so I'm certainly going to see what this offers if it's a desktop module.

These kinds of teasers (for anything) drive you crazy...I'm even thinking "hmmm, what about that music? Does it mean a virtual synth, since that is synth music?"

If this offered synth along with mojo sounds it becomes a major player for me depending on price.

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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
Do you think that'll basically be a VB3 module?

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I wish he'd put VB3 in his new drawbar module. When will we see that? Where's the SMC-73 with the Gemini module (i.e. the Electro killer)?


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Since the VB3 Module already exists, what might the new Module bring?



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If you go to Crumar's FB page and look at the photo posted on February 19th, you can see part of the new Mojo Classic in the foreground.

https://www.facebook.com/instruments.crumar/

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Originally Posted by nadroj
Looks like two products: Mojo Desktop and a Mojo Classic? Could be wrong. Either way, excited to see what comes of it.


Or possibly three Mojo, Mojo Classic, and Mojo Desktop. It is a little strange to brand something "Classic" if there isn't a "New" thing for it to sit up against. And the difference between a board and a desktop wouldn't quite be such a distinction.

That said, the most likely thing is to realign the current Mojo XT product onto the DSP platform they're using for everything else and maybe add a few features. I've sort of been holding out for that to happen so it would be fine by me, but it's likely fairly minor in the grand scheme of the market.

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Originally Posted by jamienewman
If you go to Crumar's FB page and look at the photo posted on February 19th, you can see part of the new Mojo Classic in the foreground.

https://www.facebook.com/instruments.crumar/



Are you talking about this?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...t=a.1025664294855&type=3&theater


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Not sure what that pic is, there are a few from oct 2019 showing the logo for a "mojo classic" but not much beyond parts of some keys (some keyboard sherlock holmes get on that and see if you can tell anything! :D)

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If i had to guess, perhaps the innards have changed. Maybe they got the software runnig on a Rasberry Pi or the hardware they built for the Mojo61.


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Originally Posted by Adan
Originally Posted by jamienewman
If you go to Crumar's FB page and look at the photo posted on February 19th, you can see part of the new Mojo Classic in the foreground.

https://www.facebook.com/instruments.crumar/



Are you talking about this?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...t=a.1025664294855&type=3&theater


Yes. In the comments that accompany the teaser for the Mojo Classic that Crumar posted today, I think that's what Marco Ballarani is suggesting. I don't know what else that organ in the foreground could be. I don't recognize it. Do you?

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Do I see organ tone-bar sliders on the face of it?



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Originally Posted by Jazz+
Do I see organ tone-bar sliders on the face of it?


Yes, you do. If that is indeed the new Classic, most excellent! I also see tabs instead of illuminated switches and a rotary knob for CV selection...


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begs the question why is an organ teaser using wavestation presets?


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I thought the same as konaboy - could be they are bringing out a “classic synths” module to expand their lineup. We’ll find out in another 5 weeks.

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Originally Posted by gd1
I thought the same as konaboy - could be they are bringing out a “classic synths” module to expand their lineup. We’ll find out in another 5 weeks.

I also thought that was an interesting choice.

There is no synth module though - just the Classic and Desktop.

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Originally Posted by konaboy
begs the question why is an organ teaser using wavestation presets?

Right?! Reminds me of that John Adams Wavestation album (which was awesome... but NOT ORGAN!)


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This is neither the Classic nor the desktop, but the Crumar guys just posted a pic of this on Facebook. I'd say it counts as a new Mojo. idea idk

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Same as the regular 61 functionally, just cosmetically different. Definitely a limited edition.

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Argh, was hoping it was info on the "desktop" whatever that actually is!

Not mojo-related, but Crumar-related: my buddy LOVEs vintage-looking stuff, to the point where he is thinking of ways to build a shell around his keyboards. He didn't know about the Crumar Seven, he's still cursing me about it days later (since now he has extreme GAS for the thing!) Like many of you, he used to go around with an actual rhodes so a lot of nostalgia there!

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This is the big news? Christ.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
This is the big news? Christ.


DB was careful to say that the black and white Mojo is NOT the big news.

Love the Black & White, but of course I already have a Mojo 61. If these new products are dual-timbred, I may be tempted, though have to say I'm pretty happy combining Mojo and Korg Module Pro.


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I recognize this isn't the BIG news, as Dave Bryce suggested it wasn't. I get frustrated when I see these niche items consume his development time and resources.


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Originally Posted by Adan
Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
This is the big news? Christ.


DB was careful to say that the black and white Mojo is NOT the big news. Love the Black & White, but of course I already have a Mojo 61. If these new products are dual-timbred, I may be tempted, though have to say I'm pretty happy combining Mojo and Korg Module Pro.


I recognize this isn't the BIG news, as Dave Bryce suggested it wasn't. I get frustrated when I see these niche items consume his development time and resources.


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<inverted color mojo>

Nope, not my style. Those blue lights are going to be HELLA distracting during a show. The unit already suffers a bit from low-visibility. I put white tape along the inside edge to reflect the LEDs back on the controls. PLUS, has anyone caught that they removed the "chicken head" nobs for volume and drive? If anything, most people have been calling for all the nobs to be chicken-head style (if smaller).

This is a fun LE thing, but that's it. Next!


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Originally Posted by Stokely
Argh, was hoping it was info on the "desktop" whatever that actually is!

Not mojo-related, but Crumar-related: my buddy LOVEs vintage-looking stuff, to the point where he is thinking of ways to build a shell around his keyboards. He didn't know about the Crumar Seven, he's still cursing me about it days later (since now he has extreme GAS for the thing!) Like many of you, he used to go around with an actual rhodes so a lot of nostalgia there!



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Hi,
As a very happy Legend Live owner I think it's great news Mojo are releasing new products. Keeps my lot on their toes and if Crumar release a drawbar expander I might be interested.
As it will be the most current tonewheel sim, I expect the leslie sim, CV and overdrive to be very good, so fingers crossed.

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Love the look of this and if I had the need and the money I'd be trying to get one frown


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Originally Posted by Mitch Towne
Originally Posted by Stokely
Argh, was hoping it was info on the "desktop" whatever that actually is!

Not mojo-related, but Crumar-related: my buddy LOVEs vintage-looking stuff, to the point where he is thinking of ways to build a shell around his keyboards. He didn't know about the Crumar Seven, he's still cursing me about it days later (since now he has extreme GAS for the thing!) Like many of you, he used to go around with an actual rhodes so a lot of nostalgia there!



The Seven is the most satisfying Rhodes clone I have ever played.


Mitch, is your feeling about the Rhodes also true for the Wurly tones in the Seven?

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Originally Posted by Adan
If these new products are dual-timbred, I may be tempted,


DB teased me in the main Mojo thread by saying there could be an update coming for that.

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Originally Posted by wd8dky
Originally Posted by Mitch Towne
Originally Posted by Stokely
Argh, was hoping it was info on the "desktop" whatever that actually is!

Not mojo-related, but Crumar-related: my buddy LOVEs vintage-looking stuff, to the point where he is thinking of ways to build a shell around his keyboards. He didn't know about the Crumar Seven, he's still cursing me about it days later (since now he has extreme GAS for the thing!) Like many of you, he used to go around with an actual rhodes so a lot of nostalgia there!



The Seven is the most satisfying Rhodes clone I have ever played.


Mitch, is your feeling about the Rhodes also true for the Wurly tones in the Seven?



The Wurly tones are fantastic, but, as I am sure you know, a Rhodes and Wurly feel much different. A Wurly has a much lighter action. There is something magical about the Fatar TP-100 (which I have always hated in other boards like the Nord Electro HP) and the Crumar Rhodes modeling. It feels and responds like the real thing. It's almost eerie and extremely inspirational to play.




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Originally Posted by Mitch Towne

There is something magical about the Fatar TP-100 (which I have always hated in other boards like the Nord Electro HP) and the Crumar Rhodes modeling. It feels and responds like the real thing. It's almost eerie and extremely inspirational to play.



Interesting. To my knowledge the current TP100LR features quite a few enhancements compared with earlier versions of the TP100 still used by Nord and other manufacurers. In addition to various velocity settings the TP100LR features a new key balance function for each single key which changes the response of each key and also sets the balance of the black/white keys. Obviously Crumar made good use of this unique feature when they configured the Crumar Seven.

More about that can be found here (scroll down to the bottom):
https://www.studiologic-music.com/products/sl-studio/#sleditor

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You might decide the Mojo's action is better for wurly than the Seven's.

I think Crumar's wurly is excellent, very inspiring. I'm just not sure it stands out against the competing sampled/modeled alternatives the way the Crumar rhodes does. That may be more of a comment about how good some of the alternatives are than about any deficiency in the Crumar model.


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Originally Posted by Mitch Towne

The Wurly tones are fantastic, but, as I am sure you know, a Rhodes and Wurly feel much different. A Wurly has a much lighter action. There is something magical about the Fatar TP-100 (which I have always hated in other boards like the Nord Electro HP) and the Crumar Rhodes modeling. It feels and responds like the real thing. It's almost eerie and extremely inspirational to play.


It feels amazing on the Rhodes modeling. Totally agree that its not great feeling for wurly or clav and less than not great for piano. Providing user adjustable velocity curves per engine might help significantly on this front.


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Mitch,
What are your thoughts on the Rhodes in the Mojo 61?



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Mitch,
What are your thoughts on the Rhodes in the Mojo 61?


It’s the exact same engine as in the Seven. The main difference is the organ action vs weighted action. It plays great on the Mojo61, and the wurly plays better because of the light action, but the weighted action of the Seven is what separates them in Rhodes playing experience.


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That’s my take as well. The Mojo Rhodes really needs a weighted action to get all the nuances out of a note, while the Wurlitzer is easier to nail with less dynamics from a SW keybed.


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Mitch, do you use the default Rhodes on your Mojo 61 or do you like using one of the other Rhodes models in the Mojo 61?



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Originally Posted by Jazz+
Mitch, do you use the default Rhodes on your Mojo 61 or do you like using one of the other Rhodes models in the Mojo 61?



I think I use the default but with some minor tweaks. I will look the next time I have it set up.


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On my Gemini module I was using the Mark V rhodes until two weeks ago. There was something about getting that lush sound that I wasn't feeling. I switched to the Mark 1 rhodes and adjusted the type to 'sweet'; much better sounding rhodes (to me), meaning it was more to my liking in the lushness in the sound. I also removed most of (but not all) the digital reverb and added the Fender Twin and the Vox AC30 via a switch on my PC3. Really getting more of that classical sound that I was looking for.


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I hope you all are safe and well!
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They both look good. It’ll be interesting to see the pricing on these, particularly the desktop because it’s got some stiff competition in the shape of the IK Multimedia/Hammond B-3X. I was comparing the B-3X to VB3ii on my Mac over the weekend and I really think that B-3X has the edge. I particularly love that the B-3X sounds so great in mono which to my ears VB3ii (and the Mojo 61 when I had it) never really has, particularly with the Leslie on Fast.

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Official pages with specs
https://www.crumar.it/?a=showproduct&b=39
https://www.crumar.it/?a=showproduct&b=38

Nice news. The Classic looks so cool with the all-wood construction also for the top and back.
Being DSP-based it looks like a dual-manual Mojo61, more than a Mojo follow-up.

First-look disappointments: it inherits from the 61 only 2 presets per manual and lack of 11-pin Leslie connector. I must also say that I don't like Crumar's penchant for having LED-illuminated things everywhere: from the knobs on the Seven to the buttons on the Classic, and please...illuminated logos? Omg. Apart from the "christmas tree" effect, I think it makes it hard to use the instrument on dark stages, those bright lights can be quite blinding and distracting.

Still, I'm so happy to see the news with all that Italy is going through. I don't expect this to enter production or ship anytime soon (the factory is closed with no timetable for reopening), but still even a simple web page with a new product announcement is great news in these times!

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Love this! No doubt it will be priced competitively vs. other offerings like HX3 etc.


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For quick gigs I use my PC3 and the Voce. I guess I finally will be able to retire the Voce to EBAY.


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Originally Posted by John Lee
They both look good. It’ll be interesting to see the pricing on these, particularly the desktop because it’s got some stiff competition in the shape of the IK Multimedia/Hammond B-3X. I was comparing the B-3X to VB3ii on my Mac over the weekend and I really think that B-3X has the edge. I particularly love that the B-3X sounds so great in mono which to my ears VB3ii (and the Mojo 61 when I had it) never really has, particularly with the Leslie on Fast.

Cheers

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Yeah, I think it's a really interesting question when you consider the B-3X on iPad versus the Mojo and Legend modules. Soundwise, I think reasonable minds can differ. They're close enough that the choice for most will come down to the physical form of iPad v hardware, small v smaller, price difference, but probably most importantly real drawbars versus virtual.

Personally, I might give B-3X the edge soundwise, but physical drawbars might trump that small difference depending on the playing context.

As for Mojo versus Legend, that's easier for me. I prefer the Crumar sound, and for me the ability to set Leslie tremolo to momentary is huge. Only Crumar has that. Add in the smaller Crumar module footprint and the choice is easy.


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Is Crumar still a 2-man company, or have they grown and hired up by now? I know the original Mojo was announced around 2012 and has released a range of Crumar (and GSI) products.

Have they ever really scaled up this company and hired people to run the business, operations and support, is it still basically Guido doing this as a solo operation? I'm not in the market but you do like to see a steady growth trajectory and a real company behind a product.


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Well, I won't be replacing my new XT anytime soon (lord knows it's been helping to get me through quarantine), but the Classic sure is sexy. The additional knobs, percussion "tabs" instead of Prophet-style buttons, and the flat top definitely would have made this my choice if it were on the market last summer. Best of luck to Crumar with the new line!


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
For quick gigs I use my PC3 and the Voce. I guess I finally will be able to retire the Voce to EBAY.

Dave. I believe you have the Gemini rack, ya? Any reason using this would be preferable to your Kurzweil controlling the Gemini?


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Speed. PC3 + Voce/Vent quicker to setup than PC3 + Gemini + Voce MIDI drawbar unit. More unboxings, midi cables, power supplies and when things aren't working more troubleshooting time (the latter almost every gig). Could also eliminate the Vent if I swap the new tabletop for the Voce since the Voce requires a leslie sim, one less thing to hookup.

Price is important, might keep the Voce in the mix if the desktop is cost prohibitive.


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Classic is $2,299 MAP. Desktop is $999 MAP.

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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
Speed. PC3 + Voce/Vent quicker to setup than PC3 + Gemini + Voce MIDI drawbar unit. More unboxings, midi cables, power supplies and when things aren't working more troubleshooting time (the latter almost every gig). Could also eliminate the Vent if I swap the new tabletop for the Voce since the Voce requires a leslie sim, one less thing to hookup.

Price is important, might keep the Voce in the mix if the desktop is cost prohibitive.

But without the Gemini you are going to lose the extra sounds like the EPs.

Imagine a Gemini inside the desktop module that would have been incredible.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Classic is $2,299 MAP. Desktop is $999 MAP.

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The Legend Expander is only about £500 in UK - so the Crumar desktop looks pricey. But the Crumar has the screen plus a few other features.

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What do we have for alternatives to the Mojo drawbar desktop still in production?


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
" ..... Desktop is $999 MAP..."
Ouch..... The Gemini module is not that much more. That one hurt.... Guess I'll stick with the Voce/Vent.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
" ..... Desktop is $999 MAP..."
Ouch..... The Gemini module is not that much more. That one hurt.... Guess I'll stick with the Voce/Vent.

Street price should be like $850 which would be competitive with the Viscount. These will need a shoot out.


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At first glance I’d be more inclined to go with a D9X + B-3X iOS.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
What do we have for alternatives to the Mojo drawbar desktop still in production?

THIS

But I also know,- for the latest HX3 expander,- there´s a new drawbar-controller unit in the pipeline, which according to keyboardpartner "leaves nothing to be desired".

My last contact is about 3 weeks ago and now I´m waiting every day because when I asked for estimated release date, they said "rather in 4 weeks"

I´d appreciate a HX3.5 expander w/ such a remote-controller since the "old" one was discontinued because of not covering all the new features HX3.5 offers.

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Interesting. I'm glad they're finally bringing the dual manual up to spec with the Mojo61. As a 61 owner, there are a few things I find myself drooling over (besides the second man), however, it's not really a leapfrog, for the most part this is a dual-61 with a few curious design decisions, some positive, some negative. On the positive: FINALLY they've replaced the dumb Vib/Chorus button with a nob. I'm not a big V/C user, but this design made positively no sense to me. The new buttons are snazzy, I was not a fan of the black INVISIBLE Prophet buttons with LEDs. These feel much more like a traditional organ, and they're far more visible. On the negative: gone are the nice chicken-head nobs for Volume/Drive. Those were the best controls on the unit, and I was hoping for some mini chicken-head nobs for the smaller controls, oh well. Also, the "shift" button looks to be in a far more awkward spot than it is on the 61. I'm not a huge fan of doubling-up controls, however, the SHIFT button becomes super easy to do one-handed over on the far right. Missed opportunity is, they should just have more single-function controls overall. The dedicated "Percussion Level" nob is an interesting choice, but I'd be tempted to play with it too much I think.

One of the few things I wish the Mojo had was a couple user-definable nobs for things like EPiano tremolo speed or delay time. I would rather have those on the hood than Perc Vol. And TBH, I don't really mess with the Click volume much either. If space was a concern, I could think of some other functions that would make more sense than having those up front, but just MHO.

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Sorry if missing something here. So the new classic is based on the same internal architecture as the Mojo 61? The mojo 61 has is able to store some very good additional sounds. Does anyone know if this new Classic has any of the extra voices present in the Mojo 61? Rhodes, wurli, clavinet etc? Seems a bit cruel to bring out a new model then reduce the features.


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Originally Posted by EricBarker
One of the few things I wish the Mojo had was a couple user-definable nobs for things like EPiano tremolo speed or delay time. I would rather have those on the hood than Perc Vol.
User-definable knobs are a cool idea; I've taken advantage of it a bit on my XT with a USB midi controller and the MIDI-learn feature. I'm wondering if this Mojo will have all of the additional instruments of the 61; it feels like it would be a missed opportunity not to... but we'll see re: multitimbrality and flexibility. I know the 61-plus-lower-manual can't play organ and another sound simultaneously; the older dual-manuals, of course, can do that, but it's famously inflexible as far as which piano and which organ goes on which manual. I've found the built-in Rhodes useful for rehearsal, but if I'm playing a gig where the Mojo is my main keyboard, it's a Mainstage controller for everything other than organ.
Originally Posted by EricBarker
TBH, I don't really mess with the Click volume much either.
It's funny how tricky it is to market features towards such a specific, idiosyncratic market (gigging Hammond players who crave authenticity, at least for certain features). I actually mess with the click volume a fair amount -- not as much as drive or reverb, but I tend to like a LOT of click, and every now and then I find myself playing a ballad and it's too much.

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Light-up logo on the front... LAME. Very lame. I hope it can be disabled.
I'm finding I like goofy light-up nonsense more than most. I mean, I bought a LUMI, what does THAT tell you?


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What are the advantages of this over a Mojo 61 + a separate lower manual purchase, other than the separate drawbars for lower and pedal? neither have an 11 pin however the 61 has the extra voices. For flexibility purposes I'd go with the 61 and separate lower manual and use the lower manual when necessary and leave it home when unnecessary. For a classic rock gig where you need a basic piano, EP's, Clav and organ you could get by with the 61 (although 61 keys are limited for piano) whereas the new dual is just an organ (w/ no 11 pin).

Separately, I do like the drawbar controller and have been waiting for him to roll one out so that I can retire the Voce but, geez, the price is up there ....


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In the connection panel there seems to be a jack for a sustain pedal.. I wonder what this is for if there are no extra voices..?

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Originally Posted by jyrkik
In the connection panel there seems to be a jack for a sustain pedal.. I wonder what this is for if there are no extra voices..?
Rotary speed, I would guess.

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I assume the Classic is aimed at the "real organ players" market -- the folks who want a familiar physical setup that facilitates muscle memory when reaching for controls.

If you were going to make the Classic dual timbral, there would have to be additional physical controls (as opposed to doubling functions as the Mojo 61 does) and maybe additional DSP power(?). They have to stay price competitive with the Legend.

It's pretty easy to use software for extra sounds. There's some cost associated with it, but there would also be cost associated with a dual timbral hardware set up. The most annoying part of it for me is having a separate set of stereo outs. I use an SS3 so separate outs means a mixer.

I would like to see a dual timbral version of the Mojo 61, but I think it's not in the cards.


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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
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TBH, I don't really mess with the Click volume much either.
It's funny how tricky it is to market features towards such a specific, idiosyncratic market (gigging Hammond players who crave authenticity, at least for certain features). I actually mess with the click volume a fair amount -- not as much as drive or reverb, but I tend to like a LOT of click, and every now and then I find myself playing a ballad and it's too much.
OTOH, on the real thing, click on a given unit is what it is, you can't vary it. On any clone I've played, I've always settled on an amount and left it there. But yeah, I can see where someone might want to be able to vary it.

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What are the advantages of this over a Mojo 61 + a separate lower manual purchase, other than the separate drawbars for lower and pedal?
I guess aesthetics, and ergonomically being able to get the two manuals just a bit closer to each other (as they "should" be). Also maybe this will be cheaper than the combination of a 61 and lower manual unit?


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Crumar infoms me that they are planning an introductory special on the desktop - $899 MAP.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Crumar infoms me that they are planning an introductory special on the desktop - $899 MAP.dB

A MAP price is a minimum amount that resellers agree not to advertise below. For example, if a backpack company sets a MAP price of $50 for its best selling item then all resellers including brick and mortar stores and Amazon resellers are obligated to advertise this product at $50 or more.

I was hoping from $999 (original price) that there would be a discount (like 15%) so that the market price would be $850. Since this doesn't appear to be the case then $899 is the minimum introductory price to be expected and then the minimum price would move essentially to $1000.


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Jinkings #3037307 04/07/20 06:01 PM
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The Classic certainly looks great, and the flat top has me considering trading up, the top controls is the only thing I don't like about my Mojo.

But being slightly bigger and heavier will probably stay my hand, not looking to carry more Mojo.

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I might be in the market for a dual manual organ soon (once I’ve sold some stuff) so the Classic could be a key contender for me.

I don’t see the lack of extra voices as a great loss though. I had a Mojo 61 for a while and whilst the Rhodes was nice, I prefer a Wurli, as it tends to cut better with loud guitars and drums. I wasn’t convinced by the Crumar Wurli sound though, it felt a bit plasticky to me and I just think samples capture the attack of a Wurli much better.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Crumar infoms me that they are planning an introductory special on the desktop - $899 MAP.dB

A MAP price is a minimum amount that resellers agree not to advertise below. For example, if a backpack company sets a MAP price of $50 for its best selling item then all resellers including brick and mortar stores and Amazon resellers are obligated to advertise this product at $50 or more.
"Obligated" is an odd term. idk

I'm way familiar with the concept of MAP, as well as the arguments in favor and against it and a decent amount of the legal aspects. I can easily do a fifteen minute rant on the subject. My least favorite thing is that (in my experience) most consumers look at MAP the way they used to look at MSRP - as the price where they start looking to get a better deal.

To be clear, MAP is not like what some manufacturers call Unilateral Pricing Policy, where the dealers have to agree to sell the product for a certain price before they can carry the product. MAP is not terribly easy to enforce...UPP is easier, believe it or not.


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I was hoping from $999 (original price) that there would be a discount (like 15%) so that the market price would be $850.

See? Perfect illustration of what I said above. You see MAP as the place where the discounting starts...when, in fact, MAP is a discounted price from the $1049 MSRP, and the $899 intro price actually does have a 15% discount.from MSRP, though not from the (already discounted) MAP.

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Since this doesn't appear to be the case then $899 is the minimum introductory price to be expected and then the minimum price would move essentially to $1000.
Minimum ADVERTISED price, yes. Dealers can sell it for whatever they want, of course. smile

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Originally Posted by EricBarker
Light-up logo on the front... LAME. Very lame. I hope it can be disabled.
I'm finding I like goofy light-up nonsense more than most. I mean, I bought a LUMI, what does THAT tell you?
Burn the Witch! (lol)

Huge Roli endorser, but was unimpressed with the Lumi. But I'm pretty flamboyant so I get it's appeal. I was mostly upset that they chose to go with a small-scale key size, and then had the gaul to create an informercial by a "professional music psychologist" claiming that it was a scientifically superior key size than a piano keyboard. That was NOT cool. I wrote them a letter about it. Otherwise, neat little unit. Pretty much the only option for a travel keyboard as you can build it in sections. If it had full scale keys, I'd get 4 of them and it would be a fantastic flight board! Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the glitz. I decked out my keyboard and keytar with LED light strips for a while. I just find a front-facing logo distracting. I'd rather have it on the back!

It's hard for me to imagine they won't include the same sounds as the Mojo61. For their ease of software coding, it just makes sense. With this revision they can use the same software as the Mojo61. They can probably even put it in the same firmware package. That simplifies the software end of things GREATLY. I'm hoping that this benefits us 61 owners with some nice new software updates. Maybe a better Acoustic Piano (hope hope hope)?


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Is the Mojo XT sticking around or is this a replacement? Other than the Leslie connection, is there anything else missing on the Classic?

Was holding out on getting the XT to wait for the DSP based replacement, but initial impressions are not quite making it for me...

What does one use for keybeds on the desktop unit? Is it mostly for people who don't care about dual manual with organ feel?

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So it's a Viscount Legend Live with the Crumar organ, minus the additional drawbars of the Legend and the leslie output connector.


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Originally Posted by woodshedjones
Sorry if missing something here. So the new classic is based on the same internal architecture as the Mojo 61? The mojo 61 has is able to store some very good additional sounds. Does anyone know if this new Classic has any of the extra voices present in the Mojo 61? Rhodes, wurli, clavinet etc? Seems a bit cruel to bring out a new model then reduce the features.


Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. Removing those voices would probably take this off the table for me, or at least would have me strongly considering the Legend module since it's cheaper for just organ. Not optimistic since the desktop ONLY mentions organ, while the other Mojos prominently mention the other sounds.

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Originally Posted by jeffinpghpa
So it's a Viscount Legend Live with the Crumar organ, minus the additional drawbars of the Legend and the leslie output connector.

Key action is a consideration. Viscount is considerably stiffer, to the point where some people just don't like it. Crumar much easier to play and closer to the feel of a real Hammond.

If you need a Leslie connector or like having extra drawbars, then I could see choosing the Viscount despite the stiffer action (which reportedly loosens up a bit over time). Since I don't need those things, the better action would tilt the comparison strongly towards Crumar.

I see no evidence that the Crumar Classic or Deskstop has extra voices. The Desktop, from the looks of it, should be able to switch through snapshots from the editor, so you can switch models without an outboard editor. That would have been a nice feature on the Classic but doesn't seem to be there.


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Guido mentioned on another forum that the 11 pin is available as an accessory, so he does have a solution. I guess he's thinking along the lines of a real hammond where if you want a leslie connected you need a leslie connection box. His accessory is his version of the leslie connection box.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
Guido mentioned on another forum that the 11 pin is available as an accessory, so he does have a solution. I guess he's thinking along the lines of a real hammond where if you want a leslie connected you need a leslie connection box. His accessory is his version of the leslie connection box.
He posted about this box on the Crumar FB page today.

https://www.facebook.com/instruments.crumar/posts/1269700049890481


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As I have the new Mojo Classic here with me I thought I might share some of my experiences after reading a lot and getting information from this forum.
It is my first Clonewheel besides a Nord Stage 2. I really enjoy the Mojo. In my ears it sounds great.

As some of you already mentioned, this is organ only. No additional sounds.
I like the layout, although I only played the real thing a few times, I have the impression that's how it should be layed out.
Knobs and everything feels sturdy.
I like the keybed; for me it feels just right.

Occasionally I'm connecting the Mojo to my iPad via MIDI. I use the lower manual to play sounds like Neo Soul Keyboards. This took me some time to figure out; maybe some of you are interested in the midi implementation as it is not that well documented I think.

Upper manual sends / receives Channel 1
Lower manual sends / r Channel 2
Pedal Channel 3

If you disable the internal sound on one manual by pressing the "manual" button for a few seconds, the disabled manuals will send as follows:
Upper manual sends on Channel 4
Lower manual sends on Channel 5

The only problem is: the attached sustain pedal cannot be routed to channel 4 or 5. When you enter the Mojo Editor you can choose the behavior of the sustain pedal. You can choose it to "hold" on all or a specific manual. When I choose it to hold lower manual, the Midi control from the sustain pedal is only send via Channel 2.
So, to get the sustain pedal to work with an external sound source, IMO there are two work arounds so far:

1) don't use the "manual off" function and rather just put all drawbars to zero, so that there is no internal sound. Set your receiving midi device to Channel 2 for to be played with the lower manual.

2) on the ipad use something like midiflow and filter out the Midi CC from Channel 2 and redirect it to channel 5 in the app. Set the receiving midi to channel 5.

Sorry for this lengthy explanation, but maybe its of worth for someone.

I play the mojo every day. Great fun!

The only "issues" I had so far is that one time the WiFi-Editor did not respond after several hours and that the drawbars are touching / scratching the underlying metal panel when drawn out completely. Restarting the instrument solved the WiFi-"problem".

Thanks for all the great input from this forum!
Florian

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