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Re: Roland RD-88
Dave Ferris #3030584 02/26/20 12:27 PM
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She's a terrific talent ! And the keyboard sounds good too. Hard to come away with anything solid at NAMM but this very well could dominate that price point category. I'll be playing it myself when it hits the stores for something in the office. And maybe take for weekend get away vacations. The P-515 is kinda heavy for that.

An aside- I don't dig that drummer's groove with all the 16ths on the high-hat, and ride, at those faster tempos. Sounds nervous and edgey to me. No space/air between the beats. When I play with someone like that, it locks me in to a space that is uncomfortable and forces me to play a certain way.. I notice a lot of young Mill drummers play like this. Give the time a more open and breathing feel...relax !


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...Nice of Roland to finally ditch the mod controls on the left and put them up high, as well as replace them with wheels. Though they look like they’ve been stuck on as part of a last minute decision. Almost like they built the keyboard and then while looking at it realised they forgot to include a mod wheel and stuck one on the top. Doesn’t look as integrated as the rest of the board. More an observation on my part rather than a criticism.

I know what you mean about the wheels-- but I believe this was the best design decision they could make. A lot of people in this forum complain about wheels being located to the left of the keybed. Most people (I am not one of them) seem to prefer they be located "up high" as you said. But what is often not considered is that wheels require space under the top surface of the keyboard-- space that is often already occupied by the keybed mechanism or other internals. I believe the only solution is to either make the entire keyboard thicker, or to do what Roland did here-- make a little "block" to house the wheels and their underlying mechanism.

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Polish reseller Muzikuj has a series of vids out.

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Care to post a link? Don't see anything on his website.

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They're all on his Youtube channel. muzykujkropkacom One of my favorite channels by the way.









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Re: Roland RD-88
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Can't wait to try this. For whatever reason I don't usually like Roland actions other than maybe their top of the line ones.

The organ is truly bad, which is really disappointing considering they could have maybe used their decades-old vk sounds and it would have sounded a ton better....

That said, if the audio interface works like my MODX and supplies midi and audio, that makes it really easy to use an ipad. I'd get the b3x from IK and the organ goes from zero to hero...not to mention you'd have great synths like Zeeon and those from Moog...not much in the way of controllers of course!

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I hate to say this but those videos from Muzykuj.com sounds just awful to me. Absolutely brutal all around except for the pads which Roland does nicely.

Anything I want to buy in this category will cost double the price and I would need to pay it.

The demos of the Kurzweil SP6 I've heard (especially with Chris Martorano) sound much better than this for the price, but it's the Medelli action.

I would guess it's a good action for a Mainstage rig, but for these internal sounds, that's a no for me. The videos do the sound test a big disservice.


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Originally Posted by jeffinpghpa
I hate to say this but those videos from Muzykuj.com sounds just awful to me. Absolutely brutal all around except for the pads which Roland does nicely


I thought the RD-88 sounded much more flattering on the Do-Re-Mi video. Seems they took it down for whatever reason.

He means well and his videos are all very well done, but it might be I've just heard way too many pop/rock/triad demos. Everything sounds the same to me after awhile...... snooze tired

Well it looks like it's back up:


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There is potential for better sounds with its Zen-Core patch compatibility with other models. Also, unlike the SP6, it has speakers, which can be a factor for some uses.


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The recent Better Music video sounds plinky as well. That's a concern.

Since it's based on the same supernatural AP and EP engine as the RD800, I'm going to assume that the sound quality will be similar. Until we get to hear it in person of course.

It will be interesting to find out if Roland included the Piano Designer capability at this price point.

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Re: Roland RD-88
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And MIDI 2.0

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There is a newer Sweetwater video that sounds waaaaay better than the Musykuj videos. It’s really the best one I’ve heard so far.

https://youtu.be/2YSwj0wJu-E


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Re: Roland RD-88
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Wondering when I’ll get mine. Anyone has an ETA?

Edith adds: manuals are available:
https://www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/rd-88/owners_manuals/

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Another YC61 but opposite sex, with equally crippling omisions. No AT on the Yammi, and no usable organ, weird MIDI on this one....demos I hear presets, how much synth manipulation is possible? Does it work with A-Pro Midi editior?

It's a trend, better builds, many nice aspects and some ommisions which limit the versatilty for seeming little savings.

It's like the engineers bring it all, and the manager looks hard.....where is my bonus? Ah, let's just pull two MIDI din ports.

The only serious controler I've seen in production in the past few years: is this Viscount.

Keep those features but the Fatar organ action 7x, with some light springs, for this price, doable at scale, would sell...though maybe not in blue.

Read those specs. No you better not. Oh, here is the 76. 8 zones under hammers 8x out MIDI

But RD-88 looks very nice in it's way for sure.

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Re: Roland RD-88
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Sounds....."good enough for a rock band" (which I'm in)....so really what it will boil down to is: how is the action compared to the CP73, which I reckon is the main competition to me. Honestly I'd overlooked the SV2 but it sounded nice in that vid above. Organs sound abysmal on both, but both (?) offer ipad audio/midi integration so if I get b3x....then it will depend on how well they integrate external sounds.

The problem I have with these non-Nord companies when it comes to "you'll be able to use additional sounds as we release them" is: with Nord, you know what's out there, and you know you can go get the sounds you want from that pool and choose which to put on. Yamaha's approach of firmware updates is pretty lame by comparison. Did Korg ever follow through with Grandstage and Kronos engine sounds? We'll see how this one is with zen-core, which I know little about.

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Yep, Korg did add some GrandStage (and Vox Continental) sounds just recently.
Zen-core will also be covered by the new Roland Fantom and Jupiter X(m).

Re: Roland RD-88
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Originally Posted by uhoh7

The only serious controler I've seen in production in the past few years: is this Viscount.

Keep those features but the Fatar organ action 7x, with some light springs, for this price, doable at scale, would sell...though maybe not in blue.


Fatar synth action TP8S/ TP9S would sell too,- and yes,- I hate the blue.

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Read those specs. No you better not. Oh, here is the 76. 8 zones under hammers 8x out MIDI


Unfortunately, actually you can only buy the "EX" versions and the K5 76 is Fatar TP-100.
That´s the version w/ the sound expansion which results in a MUCH longer boot time of about 90 sec. !
And the sound design is just only the ancestor of the newer Viscount Legend 70 DP (which by nature lacks the ADVANCED controller features).

Viscount K5 w/ 76 keys premium synth action, in black or early oberheimish "white" would be an excellent masterkeyboard-controller for me.
But not interested in the "EX" version at all.
I´d better put it on the Legend 70´s flat top.

Originally Posted by uhoh7

But RD-88 looks very nice in it's way for sure.


It´s a different product for different customers anyway.

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Re: Roland RD-88
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It’s March and this unit was supposed to be released to retailers. Any updates on when this will
Be available for purchase? Any changes in release date?

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I guess Corona stops everything now,- not only in italy.

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Yes, supply chains worldwide will be quite messed for a while.


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I was thinking of replacing an FP-50 with one of these, but it's going to be awhile; that's based more on economics than supply chain concerns. The FP-50 is in my teaching space, and I occasionally use it for solo piano stuff. I could certainly see the benefits the RD-88 would offer in both cases, even moving into some of my band work - where a lightweight, compact 88 piano/synth hybrid would be attractive. In the meantime, it's been fun checking out the demos.


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Just got a call from a major Midwest music store that my preordered RD88 is in. Should have it next week. I think I’ve gotta connect with the keybed and sound for it to be a keeper for small gigs and worship band/ future Mainstage pairing.I already know I like the Zencore stuff and the supernatural pianos.


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I want my, I want my, I want my RD.

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Hey folks,

I know everyone has been waiting patiently for the RD-88 and I would like to inform you I was able to receive mine.

I actually received the RD-88 last Thursday.

So I have to say - Roland did a great job streamlining this keyboard and adding some amazing features. It is definitely lightweight and the effects settings and the on-board speakers/monitors are wonderful to hear. Piano tones sound great.

BUT...and this is a big BUT: I am not happy with the action. I play salsa piano and prefer to have a very responsive piano action. I need the keys to bounce back as quickly as possible. No matter how good my technique can be (not saying I have the best technique) I wouldn’t be able to play as fast and as accurate as I would Roland FP-4. For me, the action is THE key factor (pun intended).

I am having my doubts as to whether I will keep this now...luckily I have a 30 day return window.

I’m seriously leaning towards returning it because as far as I know, I need to have an easier time performing with greater ease onstage rather than worrying about practicing better technique to get even a fraction of a second quicker on my montunos.

Don’t get me wrong - it’s a wonderful, wonderful keyboard - sounds great, has amazing features I wish my FP-4 would have. But I would still take my FP-4 to the gig because it plays better.

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Interesting. The RD-2000 feels slow to me as well. Have you played that model? Able to compare?


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Haven’t played that model so I wouldn’t know.

I just remember playing the FP-30 and it felt a lot lighter than what I’m feeling with the RD-88. Maybe because it’s brand new and hasn’t been broken in (as it could be played a lot in the showroom)? And I know they both have the same keybed (PHA-4 Standard).

I’m just wondering if I’ve got to break this in to get it looser/faster/more responsive?

If it just needs breaking in, I’ll probably keep it...but that’s not guaranteed.

When I got my fp-4, it played beautifully right out of the box.

Dilemma dilemma

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Here’s hoping it’s a break-in thing.
It’s the same action as in the FP-60, which I quite like. But then I’m more prog rock than salsa.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
Here’s hoping it’s a break-in thing.
It’s the same action as in the FP-60, which I quite like. But then I’m more prog rock than salsa.

My memory of the PHA-4 standard was that it was a little sluggish. This memory is based on a very quick try of an FP30, so I could be wrong.

Nonetheless, you could try adjusting the key touch settings. This can help to some degree, as will playing it in a bit.


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