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Yamaha CP88 or Korg SV-2? #3028914 02/13/20 10:45 PM
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I found both instruments for the same price. Does anybody have strong feelings one way or the other to share with me? The seem very similar. I'm leaning towards the Korg, but I got to play on a CP88 in a store and thought it felt amazing. Nobody local has a SV-2 to try out.

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I would say it depends on your priorities. The CP88 is probably a better *piano* experience, while you might like the SV-2 for other instruments more. That being said, I played the SV-2 for a minute at NAMM and could live with its piano just fine for gigs and such.


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You've got to sit at these and play them. No bones about it.
They are aiming for the same player/buyer. Very tactile simplified interfaces on both.
The SV-2SP has speakers, if that is a plus for you, and the Korg is going to have more sound choices, especially in "other" sounds than acoustic and electric pianos.
The Yamaha action is better for acoustic piano playing than the RH3 - that's a strong opinion, but an opinion either way, you have to play them. And the overall build quality is sturdier.
Both are very cool instruments.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 or Korg SV-2? [Re: Scotty Poiano] #3028949 02/14/20 01:51 AM
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Wondering how you can be leaning towards the one you haven't played? idk

Curious to what you are basing your decision on.


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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I like the design of the sv2, and have heard good reviews about the EP's and Clav. I just wonder if it feels as good to play as the Yamaha.

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the overwhelmingly majority of acoustic piano players on this forum would choose the Yamaha, search the archives and you will see this to be true. When you add in EP's and Clavinets, then it gets more subjective. This is why you have been advised to try both out.
If this is impossible, go with your gut feeling. Without question, based on past posts which you can easily find, more forum members are using the Yamaha over Korg. That does not make one better over the other.


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
Re: Yamaha CP88 or Korg SV-2? [Re: Scotty Poiano] #3028977 02/14/20 05:30 AM
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I'm waiting for more hands-on reports one the SV2 arrives at retailers. The ads and reviews I've seen have described the general workings and bells and whistles, but there's been very little detail on the actual samples. Word on the street is they should hit the streets in early March.

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I think the majority of people who try both will pick the CP. I would, and it would be an easy decision. Folks who pick the SV aren't wrong, they're just expressing their subjective preference between two very good keyboards. But if you need to make a choice without auditioning both, you'd be playing the percentages by picking the CP.

Echoing Joe, I'd say if EPs are your focus then it's more of a toss-up or possibly a slight advantage to Korg.


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I think you just wrote what I just wrote using different words. cool


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
yeahthat

I think you just wrote what I just wrote using different words. cool


And that is why I don't comment as often on posts as I used to. In an active thread, chances are good that someone has already expressed my opinion. Guess I'm not having many original thoughts these days. Lol


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
yeahthat

I think you just wrote what I just wrote using different words. cool


Around here we call that the Doerfler Effect.

But more seriously, when someone asks a question like this it implicates issues of internet forum epistemology. Any one person's opinion could be totally off base. So could two. Three, eh, maybe not. And so on. The more opinions you read, the more data points you can use to triangulate towards reality. The more reasoned, or differently reasoned, those opinions are, also helps.

The major benefit of being a regular reader of a forum like this is that you get to know the background and preferences of the folks who post regularly. On the epistemological front, this helps immensely. It gives you a reference point from which to measure their opinion on any given topic, which adds a new and very useful dimension to multi-opinion data analysis.


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Originally Posted by Adan
But more seriously, when someone asks a question like this it implicates issues of internet forum epistemology.
I was just talking about my background in literary criticism on a different thread; I must say I still get all excited when someone uses the word "epistemology."

Alternate suggestion (since we must also take into account not only forumites' individual preferences, but also their motives): get the SV2 so that I can take the CP88! wink


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Re: Yamaha CP88 or Korg SV-2? [Re: Scotty Poiano] #3029018 02/14/20 03:54 PM
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CP88...... isn't not even a question. The action on the Korg is garbage and I love Korg stuff.


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The action on the Yamaha CP88 is excellent and it is a very expressive instrument with a great touch to it. I think the Rhodes sounds hold their own with any of their competitors in the stage piano category. Maybe something else sounds better here or there to your ear, but I could play a CP88 for hours upon hours and never get tired of it.

I have played an SV1, but not an SV2. I thought the SV1 was a good idea, but not enough for me to want to buy one. I would clearly vote for the Yamaha here.


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Originally Posted by Outkaster
The action on the Korg is garbage


Now, now...


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Re: Yamaha CP88 or Korg SV-2? [Re: Scotty Poiano] #3029035 02/14/20 05:27 PM
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Can anybody comment on the effects of either?

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Originally Posted by Outkaster
The action on the Korg is garbage and I love Korg stuff.


On the original , I have to highly agree. B_R_U_T_A_L ! Played the new one at NAMM and it seemed better (although it was probably the pianos being upgraded that seemed to make it more playable) but really inconclusive in the noise.

The Grandstage is MUCH better then the original SV1 and the Kronos btw and fwiw.

I really like the CP88. If I were still playing in bands, I wouldn't give it a second thought to buying one today.

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Another vote for loving the CP88's feel and hating the SV-1. Jury's still out on the SV-2 until playing it, but I'd be surprised if it was such a monumental leap in playability that I would choose it over the Yamaha.


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I don't know why, I just really wanted the SV-2 to be the one. But I can't find anybody in any forum that's raving about it. Before I pull the trigger on a CP88, does anybody have another recommendation? I just want to rock out on AP's, EP's, and Clavinet with a good Wah. And to access effects on the fly. Organs, Synths, Strings, etc. are superfluous for me really.

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Originally Posted by Scotty Poiano
I don't know why, I just really wanted the SV-2 to be the one. But I can't find anybody in any forum that's raving about it. Before I pull the trigger on a CP88, does anybody have another recommendation? I just want to rock out on AP's, EP's, and Clavinet with a good Wah. And to access effects on the fly. Organs, Synths, Strings, etc. are superfluous for me really.


Check the Korg Grandstage as well. But if SV2 appeals to you - buy it and don't listen to anybody. It's your money and you'll regret it if you buy something that other people think is better.

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No one can rave about the SV-2 because it hasn’t hit the stores yet.

I tried a CP88 and thought it was limited for the money and it’s same old same old as far as Yamaha’s versions of what those AP/EPs etc are supposed to sound like. I think I’ve played too many Yamaha DPs to get exited. Liked the action, though.

I ordered a Grandstage, which will arrive any day now. Lots more of what I’m looking for, especially in the EP category. and I’ve always thought Korg led the way


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Another discussion on subjective things, namely the keyboard action ;-)

My opinion: I like my SV-1 action, I don’t think the Grandstage has a MUCH better action than my SV-1 (which I bought in 2009, to be precise). I never tried the CP88, so I can’t give any opinion.

I can only imagine that the SV-2 action will be better than the SV-1 action, or at least on the same level. At least, it has a graded-hammer action unlike the SV-1.

I don’t know why Yamaha is so much more popular than Korg for stage pianos. Probably there are good reasons ;-).

The SV-2 is my number one candidate to replace my SV-1. But maybe I’m also not objective ;-)

There is one thing, though, which would drive me to the CP88: it is much lighter than the SV-2! And I have to say that I’m less and less keen on carrying heavy keyboards all around...

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Originally Posted by jejefunkyman
Another discussion on subjective things, namely the keyboard action ;-)



There is one thing, though, which would drive me to the CP88: it is much lighter than the SV-2! And I have to say that I’m less and less keen on carrying heavy keyboards all around...


No, the CP88 is not much lighter than the SV-2. I weighs about 18kg. Only the CP73 is about 13kg.

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My Korg SV2 88 came today. It is the no speaker version. Available from Sweetwater, GC, and Sam Ash online and phone. Maybe not in stores yet.. I wanted to like it more than the Grandstage. A/B’d them. Played with them for about an hour, and realized that many of the APs actually kept the same characteristics and sound of the corresponding Grandstage patches (ie Italian, Japanese, German, etc...) but something was definitely missing. EQ helped a lot, and the velocity curves are definitely different on these instruments, so adjusting that made it closer too.

I also can’t say that I loved the SV2 EPs more than the GS ones. Although, the is SV2 ones are more tweakable, have amp sims and effects. I’m not a great tweaker, and want decent factory patches. I respect if you want to tweak and fiddle, but I don’t. I just want to play awesome sounds out of the box. I have too much to learn about playing. Don’t have time to learn how to tweak.

I only messed around with APs and EPS. I listened to the “others” but they’re mostly novelty even though very cool on both instruments. My band doesn’t really use a whole lot beyond APs, EPS, and Organ. By the way, the organ on the SV2 is much better than the Grandstage. That being said, I’m using a legend solo/vent2, so that was a non-factor.

Action was very similar. With the sounds off, for some reasons, the SV2 felt better? I dunno why. Not a whole lot. With the sounds on, I really disliked the SV2 after playing the the Grandstage for the past week.

So, there you have it. Also, the 88 SV2 felt like it was full of bricks when lifting it onto the stand.

Sadly the SV2 is the one going back, despite how much I love the front panel and that really cool looking tube. I am happy with the Grandstage. I thought it was going to be the other way around.


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Originally Posted by 1203
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Another discussion on subjective things, namely the keyboard action ;-)



There is one thing, though, which would drive me to the CP88: it is much lighter than the SV-2! And I have to say that I’m less and less keen on carrying heavy keyboards all around...


No, the CP88 is not much lighter than the SV-2. I weighs about 18kg. Only the CP73 is about 13kg.


Sorry I should have said just « lighter » as the SV2 88 with speakers weights 21.5 kg, which already makes a difference in my opinion ;-)

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Interesting feedback, thank you very much ;-) Doesn’t make it easier to take a decision between these 2 boards though...

I think as you did, the only way is to play them extensively before making the final decision. Same is true for the CP88.

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Originally Posted by kwyn
My Korg SV2 88 came today. It is the no speaker version. Available from Sweetwater, GC, and Sam Ash online and phone. Maybe not in stores yet..


Where did you order your SV-2? Sweetwater says available for per-order and MusiciansFriend says shipping in March.

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My Korg SV2 88 came today. It is the no speaker version. Available from Sweetwater, GC, and Sam Ash online and phone. Maybe not in stores yet..


Where did you order your SV-2? Sweetwater says available for per-order and MusiciansFriend says shipping in March.


Only the 88 key version with no speakers is shipping now, but check Sweetwater, Guitar Center, Sam Ash again. That model should be available

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MBy the way, the organ on the SV2 is much better than the Grandstage.

That's a surprise, since I think the SV2 is a sampled "rompler" organ and the Grandstage has the CX3 engine (albeit without the tweakability).


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MBy the way, the organ on the SV2 is much better than the Grandstage.

That's a surprise, since I think the SV2 is a sampled "rompler" organ and the Grandstage has the CX3 engine (albeit without the tweakability).


I should add to that. I didn’t play with the Leslie on the sv2.. Just listened really quick because I had no intention of using either for organs. The Grandstage organs sound really quiet even with master volume and patch volume up. But from the few minutes I played, something sounded better about the SV. So, I guess my comment on the organs should be taken with a grain of salt.

I am definitely disappointed in general that the SV2 didn’t smoke the GS. I love the interface on the SV2. So freakin badass to look at. Again, tweakers may be able to get much more mileage out of the SV2 than me.

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Kwyn, thanks for the report. That's disappointing to hear about the SV2. How different were the EPs on the SV2 from the Grandstage? And did they have the same kind of noticeable jumps between velocity layers that plagues the SV1?

I haven't played the CP88, but the EPs on the CP4 have left me absolutely cold the handful of times I've played them on gigs. APs were a pleasure, but the EPs were a fight from the get-go.

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Kwyn, thanks for the report. That's disappointing to hear about the SV2. How different were the EPs on the SV2 from the Grandstage? And did they have the same kind of noticeable jumps between velocity layers that plagues the SV1?

I haven't played the CP88, but the EPs on the CP4 have left me absolutely cold the handful of times I've played them on gigs. APs were a pleasure, but the EPs were a fight from the get-go.


Hey Josh. They sounded very similar. Maybe the SV2’s were a little more “natural” sounding, like closer to the real deal. Maybe a little softer. The GS seemed to bark a little brighter and with less effort, which I prefer (even if it is “less realistic”). They both sound great. The amp sims on the SV2 are kinda cool. The GS only has a “Drive” option, that needs to be tweaked in a menu. On the SV2, the knobs are right there. Also, so many additional effects on the SV2. The chorused Wurli sounded just like the Goodbye Stranger Wurli to me.

Please try these out for yourselves. This is only one guy’s opinion. I am not as experienced as most of you and YMMV.

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Have a look at the new Roland RD-88 as well.
Just ordered mine.

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Originally Posted by drawback

I tried a CP88 and thought it was limited for the money and it’s same old same old as far as Yamaha’s versions of what those AP/EPs etc are supposed to sound like. I think I’ve played too many Yamaha DPs to get exited. Liked the action, though.

I ordered a Grandstage, which will arrive any day now. Lots more of what I’m looking for, especially in the EP category. and I’ve always thought Korg led the way



Did you use it on a gig? That's where I first really noticed the difference. The CFX sample, and especially the S700, seem to me to be a little narrower bandwidth that sits in a mix better and fares better in echo-ey, sparsely furnished rooms. Another difference is that the CP's sound better mono than the older ones, not phasey. But yes, you can still tell it's Yamaha. Enjoy your Grandstage!


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The more opinions you read, the more data points you can use to triangulate towards reality.

Three opinions should suffice? Hehehe...

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On the other hand, someone with a quite a bit more talent than me

https://oldtimemusic.com/korg-sv188bk-88-key-digital-piano/

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Also, would you guys be mad if I told you I spent all night and this morning tweaking and I changed my mind? Lol! I'll to explain later, but please don't make big decisions based on my first impressions.

Honestly soooo sorry

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Crazy ;-) But not surprising🤔 Then please make a new report on what you did, and give us your new impressions. I’m really interested 😏

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Crazy ;-) But not surprising🤔 Then please make a new report on what you did, and give us your new impressions. I’m really interested 😏 And for this SV1 variant, it is not new right?,,


It's the SV2, the new one, not the SV1. Long story short, I Eqd, and played with velocity curves and didn't realize I had 2 different reverbs, and some additional variables going on. .also I had them set up in different places running through the same speakers, so using the Grandstage standing and the SV2 kneeling made a big difference in what I was hearing. Will play more, but I have much better impression of the SV2 now. Quick new impressions:

APs can be tweaked to sound almost identical. Slight edge to the GS for cutting through.

EPs almost identical but much more variations on the SV2 and also a big edge to the SV for effects

Organs (I'm not gonna use)

Extra Sounds- Grandstage has some really nice pads. Haven't explored enough of the SV

Action is almost the same but since I've had the GS for a week longer it feels a little less stiff.




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Went to my local music store today and they had Korg SV2-73 on display. My impressions are that it's the same SV-1 machine but with additional "other" sounds.
The keybed felt similar to SV-1, a bit heavier and more sluggish than RH3 on my Grandstage (which has a very light and fast keybed).
I was mainly interested in EP sounds - and to me they sounded identical to the SV-1, with audible velocity layers jump, so I still much prefer modelled EP's on the Grandstage.
And to be honest, I think that "tube" is a gimmick.

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Originally Posted by gg22

The keybed felt similar to SV-1, a bit heavier and more sluggish than RH3 on my Grandstage (which has a very light and fast keybed).


So you’re saying that Grandstage has different keybed action from SV? They both have what Korg calls RH3. I wonder if there are different ‘variants’ of RH3s. I went to Guitar Center the other day and they had a Kronos there. I could swear the action felt faster than in my SV-1 and yet Kronos has RH3 too. I really liked the Kronos RH3 and would love to hear that SV-2 has the same action.

By the way, I put my SV-1 for sale when I heard that a new version is coming and the SV-1 sold right away. So, I’m in the market for a new weighted board and I’m seriously considering SV-2. I think my choice will probably be between SV-2 or a Controller + Mainstage.

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Do folks have experience playing any of these in a live band setting? I've seen comments like "sounds great alone at home, but can't cut through a full band." about the RD2000 and some others. Curious if anyone has experience with the CP88, etc. with a band?

Currently leaning hard towards the CP88, but could still be talked out of it / into something better. Grandstage fans have piqued my interest. I'd have to be convinced that the action is comparable, though.

CP88 is weak in the Clavinet department. Not a deal breaker, but disappointing.

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Cutting in band setting vs. playing solo - especially with piano sounds is largely an EQ adjustment. Narrow the spectrum and boost in key frequencies that aren’t eaten up by the other players in the band vs. full spectrum and shaping to taste for the amplification and the room.

There’s a lot of adjustability on all these boards it just takes time to get them sounding the way we like. It’s also a great excuse to learn one’s way around the interface and to crack the manual to figure out how these expensive instruments work! smile


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I'm always skeptical when someone says "can't cut through in a band setting." While I believe they had that experience, the keyboard itself is but one of many variables for why that might be. Other culprits are more likely. Until you eliminate all other variables, you shouldn't blame the instrument.


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My CP73 does great for cutting through, without having to tweak or EQ extensively. My Yamahas (P200, P50m module, P120, S80, Motif Classic, CP300) have always shined in that regard.

I recently tried out a Korg Vox Continental 73 (same samples FAIK of the Grandstage), and it was at least the equal of the CP73 for that. But I much prefer the CP73 CFX and S700 pianos to those of the Korg.

I do agree that it if you like a keyboard, you can likely find some way to make it work for cutting FOH. The greatest challenge I have faced for that was my 90's Kurzweil K1000. Kurzweil's piano module was a significant improvement.


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Originally Posted by Adan
I'm always skeptical when someone says "can't cut through in a band setting." While I believe they had that experience, the keyboard itself is but one of many variables for why that might be. Other culprits are more likely. Until you eliminate all other variables, you shouldn't blame the instrument.


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Originally Posted by kwyn
Also, would you guys be mad if I told you I spent all night and this morning tweaking and I changed my mind? Lol! I'll to explain later, but please don't make big decisions based on my first impressions.

Honestly soooo sorry



I'm making all my big decisions on you!!!!

I'm leaning towards what I think is the safe choice, the CP88. I've played it, it's nice, it does the things. It has a USB MIDI Audio Interface, which is nice. But is "nice" what I really want?

Giving it another day for someone to come out raving about the SV-2 and convince me. It looks like such a ballsy, rock & roll instrument. Is this a gimmick? Is that Tube on the front just fooling me? Or am I passing on a Rocker for a "nice" piano without Balls?

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I’ve heard nothing but praise for the cp88. The sv2 is too new to figure out how good or mediocre it is. It is available in shops yet? I think you may struggle to get any proper feedback on that board yet as it’s too new.

The sv2 doesn’t look like a major leap forward to me in terms of sound. Looks great, simple layout, knobs to tweak etc but the pianos on version 1 always left me cold. Nice to play but the Korg action is nowhere near the cp88 imo. I had the cp73. I loved it but sent it back as I use the modx8 and it covers most of what I need.

I don’t think you’d regret the cp88. The action is great, sounds good and they do expand them supposedly every 3 -6 months.


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Originally Posted by U.Honey
Originally Posted by gg22

The keybed felt similar to SV-1, a bit heavier and more sluggish than RH3 on my Grandstage (which has a very light and fast keybed).


So you’re saying that Grandstage has different keybed action from SV? They both have what Korg calls RH3. I wonder if there are different ‘variants’ of RH3s. I went to Guitar Center the other day and they had a Kronos there. I could swear the action felt faster than in my SV-1 and yet Kronos has RH3 too. I really liked the Kronos RH3 and would love to hear that SV-2 has the same action.

This sounds like another case (as with Korg NW action and Yamaha GHS) where different boards with ostensibly the same action feel different; and it's unclear as to whether it is unit-to-unit variation, or model-to-model variation. Unlike the other two I mentioned, we do know for sure that there are some variants in RH3, in that the later SV1 actions were made in Japan and the earlier ones were not, and the Kronos version has aftertouch while the SV and Grandstage versions do not. Personally, I have found the SV1 actions I've played to fo feel lighter/quicker than the Kronos 73/88 actions I've played (though still not among the very lightest/quickest). I have enjoyed playing the SV1, but not the Kronos. But I couldn't swear as to whether it's an inherent difference between those models, or if I might feel differently if I had played some different units.


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Originally Posted by Dockeys
The sv2 doesn’t look like a major leap forward to me in terms of sound. Looks great, simple layout, knobs to tweak etc but the pianos on version 1 always left me cold.


Complete speculative BS from me:

Do we think Korg actually felt the need to really move the SV-2 forward? The SV-1 sold well, for a long time. An incremental upgrade, addressing a few of the common gripes but leaving the board and sounds relatively intact seems fairly safe with this one. It has many detractors, but it also has many faithful users and a clear market. Not gonna win many new customers but they're maybe ok with that idk


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One thing that Korg missed with the upgrade is that the control panel still doesn’t transmit MIDI (I’m assuming that’s the case because the MIDI implementation in the user manual has no changes in it). Some of the buttons like the preset buttons transmit MIDI but wouldn’t it be cool if for example the EQ pots could be mapped to control the EQ in Mainstage or some other external module. The SV-2 could have made a killer MIDI controller with access to all the effects, reverb, overdrive, EQ etc. right there in the front panel.

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The CP88 is pretty easy to figure out how it fits in -- this is Yamaha getting a bit aggressive vs. Nord Piano 4. $500 price retail spread, and reasonably close on feature and ergonomics. A smart move I think, as I'm always looking for cheaper, decent alternatives to the Nords I seem addicted to.

As it wasn't an upgrade to my NP4, not really interested at this time, thanks.

I played one briefly at a GC that thankfully had one. Classic Yamaha buttery action. Decent sounds, layers, etc. I wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers.

The Korg SV series always appealed to me as a spanking EP board, not an AP board. That hot glowing tube sort of seduced me. And, damn, I could spank some smoking licks on it. But I'm not in the market for a dedicated EP board with a few other bells and whistles.

Korg could bring better game if they wanted to.


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Originally Posted by MAJUSCULE
Originally Posted by Dockeys
The sv2 doesn’t look like a major leap forward to me in terms of sound. Looks great, simple layout, knobs to tweak etc but the pianos on version 1 always left me cold.


Complete speculative BS from me:

Do we think Korg actually felt the need to really move the SV-2 forward? The SV-1 sold well, for a long time. An incremental upgrade, addressing a few of the common gripes but leaving the board and sounds relatively intact seems fairly safe with this one. It has many detractors, but it also has many faithful users and a clear market. Not gonna win many new customers but they're maybe ok with that idk

I was told at NAMM that the sample memory went from 512 MB to 6 GB. I tried the board for a minute on Sunday at NAMM and while the piano didn't blow me away nor was it optimal listening conditions, I didn't hate it and could see using it.


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