Strays Dave Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 A Seattle band scoured thrift stores for old 8 track cassettes to repurpose and install tape of their albums. They created a limited edition of box sets. The thought occurred to me that if these limited sets of tapes are unplayable by most folks, this might give them the ultimate hipster cred. Sounds like a lot of wasted effort to me. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21110785/5seven-8-track-tapes-thee-oh-sees-music Quote Dave's YouTube channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just in time for National Eight Track Tape Day! The article is wrong, though, that 8-track tapes preceded the cassette. The cassette was introduced in 1963. It really seems to me that venture was more about an art project. Can anyone even find a way to play them back? Besides, I'm pretty sure all 8-tracks self-destruct after a while, when the lubrication in them wears out. If we're going to bring back anything...bring back the CD! Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Bring back the Edison cylinder!!!! It does not suffer from the tracking and uneven centrifigal force that vinyl discs have so it's better. 8 track was a "built in doom factor" format. They failed all the time when they were new. In some dark, forbidden corner of Hell, tortured souls are trying to remove all the snarled up tape in old 8 track Muntz players!!! :- D Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Please...no... dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 They failed all the time when they were new. In some dark, forbidden corner of Hell, tortured souls are trying to remove all the snarled up tape in old 8 track Muntz players!!! :- DEvery now and then, by the side of a highway, you'd see 8-track road kill where some frustrated soul threw the thing out the window, and its tape unraveled all over the pavement...like some weird kind of mylar intestine. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 No, I don't believe it will become the next hipster thing. It might make a funny art project, but hardly anyone can play it, fewer people ever had any experience with it, and the abrupt changing to another track mid-song would annoy most people, including DJs. Added to that the fact that there are not really a lot of interesting recordings on 8-track floating around still, and it's just not going to happen. As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere. Quote Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Ken, you're so wrong. What makes you think that abruptly changing to another track in mid-song would annoy most people? Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Ate tracks? Once the tracks have been eaten, the results are invevitable... Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Purchasing an 8 track tape does not give the buyer cool cover art or printed lyrics to the songs. This means no one is ever going to sift through a collection of old 8 track tapes in your home, and exclaim how cool they are. And if the audio fidelity of prerecorded 8 track tapes is similar to what existed for those of us who ever bought an album in the form of a prerecorded cassette tape, that would be pretty bad. I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good. But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Purchasing an 8 track tape does not give the buyer cool cover art or printed lyrics to the songs. This means no one is ever going to sift through a collection of old 8 track tapes in your home, and exclaim how cool they are. And if the audio fidelity of prerecorded 8 track tapes is similar to what existed for those of us who ever bought an album in the form of a prerecorded cassette tape, that would be pretty bad. I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good. But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap. 8 track sounded like crap too, believe me!!!! Plus sometimes it would "skew" and you could hear the ghost of a different song. Part of it was the speakers of course, we had the Craig 2-way 6x9 "system" in the rear deck. Crappy tape, crappy player, crappy speakers. But, we had Whos Next blasting away so there was joy in all the land! Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spokenward Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 Tracks are like a B school lesson in finding the "almost good enough" solution to a problem. A combination of ingenuity, hustle, self-deception and fatal compromise. Funny and failed like a leisure suit. As an art project, though, funny and obsessive. Designers love this stuff. And those green 8 track shells mentioned in the Verge article were because the label was "Chrysalis". Dig it. ArsTechnica did a capsule review of the hardware history of the 8 track. Carts - in the sense of the NAB cartridge, both preceded and survived the 8 track. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/forgotten-audio-formats-stereo-8/ But the 8 track was the 8 track because of the people who cobbled it together and could look you in the eye and tell you that the 4 track tape is dead and the Philips cassette is a toy and if people are driving with the windows down they might not even notice that the song faded out weird. Everything 8 track over here - http://www.8trackheaven.com In the suburbs just west of O'Hare in one of the first industrial parks was the home of Ampex. There is a first person account from a guy who worked there in 1971. http://www.8trackheaven.com/archive/ampex.html The brief success of 8 tracks also played a role on reshaping the record business. Ampex had successfully negotiated distribution deals with many labels at a time when distribution was still mostly small labels with independent distributors servicing territories. The Ampex model of a national organization was influential when labels started consolidating and moving to branch distribution (CBS, WEA, MCA, etc.) in the 1970s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 A combination of ingenuity, hustle, self-deception and fatal compromise. That is a GREAT line!! Applies to more than 8-tracks. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good. But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap. That's because you were recording in real time. The pre-recorded cassettes were duplicated at high speeds. I forget the exact multiple, but it was a lot faster. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 They failed all the time when they were new. In some dark, forbidden corner of Hell, tortured souls are trying to remove all the snarled up tape in old 8 track Muntz players!!! :- DEvery now and then, by the side of a highway, you'd see 8-track road kill where some frustrated soul threw the thing out the window, and its tape unraveled all over the pavement...like some weird kind of mylar intestine. HAW HAW, Beavis, you said "mylar intestine!" Quote "I like that rapper with the bullet in his nose!" "Yeah, Bulletnose! One sneeze and the whole place goes up!" ~ "King of the Hill" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good. But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap. That's because you were recording in real time. The pre-recorded cassettes were duplicated at high speeds. I forget the exact multiple, but it was a lot faster. ...and the tape used in pre-made cassettes was...not top quaity. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good. But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap. That's because you were recording in real time. The pre-recorded cassettes were duplicated at high speeds. I forget the exact multiple, but it was a lot faster. ...and the tape used in pre-made cassettes was...not top quaity. dB Oh, so now you're too good for Radio Shack C-120 cassette tapes? Well lah di dah. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The eight-track tape actually started out (at a considerably higher speed and fidelity) as a radio broadcast device for the playing of "spots" (commercials and promos). That tape was generally in a lot shorter windings, and one track was used for the audio, another for the signal to stop the playback. It did not have to switch to another set of tracks since the usual material was 15, 30, or 60 second length. It was popular in radio stations because the mechanism used for playing had a lever that put the tape into position, push buttons (which could be remoted) to start playback (and to stop before the recorded stop if needed), and it produced a much easier method of running a bunch of short "spots" than the previous use of small reels on reel-to-reel tape recorders. Long life was not a requisite for this use, it was possible to reload the cartridge (although not the easiest thing to do). The consumer 8-track was much slower playback speed, not as good fidelity, and generally had a number of tracks on the 1/4" tape, for L & R channel playback. Track Switching was done by moving the head relative to the tape itself vertically. Quote Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rivers Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The consumer 8-track was much slower playback speed, not as good fidelity, and generally had a number of tracks on the 1/4" tape, for L & R channel playback. Track Switching was done by moving the head relative to the tape itself vertically. Earl "Madman" Muntz slowed the Fidelipac down to 3-3/4 IPS, changed the format to 4 tracks, and sold it as the Stereo-Pak system that offered twice the playing time of a cassette. It eventually evolved to the Stereo-8 with the help of Bill Lear, of LearJet fame. Before the tape cartridge, in the late 1940s, Muntz was reverse-engineering the RCA 630 television chassis and selling television sets for $100. He was also the first to popularize "TV" as a shortened form of "television." Could Uli Behringer be our generation's Earl Muntz? Quote For a good time call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Today's trivia: Shanda Lear is Bill Lear's daughter. Yes, Shanda Lear. Say it fast. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Every now and then, by the side of a highway, you'd see 8-track road kill where some frustrated soul threw the thing out the window, and its tape unraveled all over the pavement...like some weird kind of mylar intestine. HAW HAW, Beavis, you said "mylar intestine!" I call band name. The best use of an 8-track tape was for the Evolution Control Committee's cassette album Gunderphonic, which was packaged inside an 8-track shell that had been cracked open and emptied of tape, with the album label graphics pasted over the old ones in such a way that you could still see what the 8-track used to be. This release is of great historical significance, as it is the first-ever recorded instance of what we would today call a "mashup". Mark Gunderson got his grubby little hands on isolated vocal rap tracks from a Public Enemy album and laid them perfectly over two songs by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, creating an entire genre of music in a few hysterically funny minutes. Oh, and you can download the whole album for free if you want. It's very primitive-sounding by today's standards, but for 1994 it was groundbreaking: Gunderphonic by the Evolution Control Committee Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rivers Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Today's trivia: Shanda Lear is Bill Lear's daughter. Yes, Shanda Lear. Say it fast. As I remember it, her first name is Chrystal, and that was from before the Internet, so it must be true. Some famous country musician has a daughter named Amanda Lynn. Quote For a good time call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere. Friends, please join me in a collective shudder of horror at the apparent resurgence of cassettes as a popular medium for releasing recordings. It's the new thing among a lot of the kids. Wha-a? Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCoscia Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Talk about redundancy. During last five decades I bought the same albums on vinyl, cassette, 8 track, CD and mp3. And somehow the music industry couldn't figure out a way to survive. I suppose "The Internet" is the obvious reason for the music industry's demise. Quote Steve Coscia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere. Friends, please join me in a collective shudder of horror at the apparent resurgence of cassettes as a popular medium for releasing recordings. It's the new thing among a lot of the kids. Wha-a? It's not very popular at all. It really isn't. And the people releasing it know this, but do so as a novelty. There are also some DJ nights where people play cassettes, which i think is kinda funny. But no, cassettes are not a thing. And 8-tracks will NEVER be a thing. Seriously. Vinyl, I get. Cassettes and 8-tracks...not a thing. Quote Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Talk about redundancy. During last five decades I bought the same albums on vinyl, cassette, 8 track, CD and mp3. And somehow the music industry couldn't figure out a way to survive. I suppose "The Internet" is the obvious reason for the music industry's demise. Yes, that and releasing crappy corporate music. Quote Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere. Friends, please join me in a collective shudder of horror at the apparent resurgence of cassettes as a popular medium for releasing recordings. It's the new thing among a lot of the kids. Wha-a? It's not very popular at all. It really isn't. And the people releasing it know this, but do so as a novelty. There are also some DJ nights where people play cassettes, which i think is kinda funny. But no, cassettes are not a thing. And 8-tracks will NEVER be a thing. Seriously. Vinyl, I get. Cassettes and 8-tracks...not a thing. What he said. I did a analog to digital conversion for a friend from his Tascam Portastudio 424 Mk II and since he now has clean digital files to work with, he gave me the unit and some NOS unopened cassettes. As soon as I can test everything and confirm operation, I am selling it. Too much big ol' clunky for 4 tracks of pretty OK sound and at some point it will need maintenance (hopefully not yet!!!). If it sells as-is that's fine, I just want the buyer to know what is and is not working. I try to be fair. At the same time, can't stop people who want it. Ugh, cassettes. Better than 8 track cartridge but not by much... Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Today's trivia: Shanda Lear is Bill Lear's daughter. Yes, Shanda Lear. Say it fast. As I remember it, her first name is Chrystal, and that was from before the Internet, so it must be true.It is true, but I knew her as Shanda...the Lears had an apartment above my family's in Geneva. Good times Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Talk about redundancy. During last five decades I bought the same albums on vinyl, cassette, 8 track, CD and mp3. And somehow the music industry couldn't figure out a way to survive. I suppose "The Internet" is the obvious reason for the music industry's demise. Well, that's what they want you to think I think the music industry was responsible for its demise. It was an industry that stuck its collective fingers in its ears, and said "I can't hear you nah nah nah nah." The internet was inevitable. When change happens, it's better to stake your own claim, rather than pretend an issue doesn't exist. The record industry thought they could do business as usual. At a trade show when Peavey introduced their software-based MediaMatrix system, Hartley was talking about how great software-based processing was, while standing in front of a bunch of rack-mount hardware processors. I said that was kind of a disconnect. He said "Craig, someday all of these are going to be obsolete. I'd rather put myself out of business than have someone do it to me." True that. Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 OK, cynical skeptics - here are five reasons why cassettes were the best playback medium ever. 1 Cassettes used tape. Everyone (yes, everyone) knows that suspending a bunch of teeny-tiny little magnets in plastic, blasting them with supersonic energy, then making them line up using a method that resembles herding drunken and disorderly cats is the surest way possible to create a peachy-keen sound. 2 Cassettes were designed for low-fi dictation applications, not music. Being perversely contrary is in a musician"s DNA. So of course, upon first seeing the cassette, musicians realized immediately that this was clearly destined to be the playback medium of the future. Even better, cassettes distorted like crazy! 3 The format was ahead of its time. The widespread adoption of low-bit-rate MP3 formats, played through earbuds from China, proved that what people really wanted was not incremental, but excremental, changes in sound quality. The cassette delivered on that promise long before digital technology figured out how to take truly bad sound to a hitherto-uncharted level of wretchedness. 4 Cassettes had little reels that rotated. Back in the "60s, if people had communed sufficiently with a mind-altering substance, they could be amused for hours watching the little reels go aroundâeven if the music wasn"t any good. Decades later, music videos would exploit this very same principle by making elaborate videos for forgettable music. 5 They made spectacular road kill. When people got frustrated with cassettes jamming in their car stereo and threw them out the window, the tape would unravel like some strange kind of post-industrial intestine, literally spilling its guts all over the interstate. Can a CD do that? A download? Vinyl? No! Need I say more? Quote Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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