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Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? #3028291 02/10/20 01:36 PM
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A Seattle band scoured thrift stores for old 8 track cassettes to repurpose and install tape of their albums. They created a limited edition of box sets. The thought occurred to me that if these limited sets of tapes are unplayable by most folks, this might give them the ultimate hipster cred.

Sounds like a lot of wasted effort to me.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21110785/5seven-8-track-tapes-thee-oh-sees-music

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Just in time for National Eight Track Tape Day!

The article is wrong, though, that 8-track tapes preceded the cassette. The cassette was introduced in 1963.

It really seems to me that venture was more about an art project. Can anyone even find a way to play them back? Besides, I'm pretty sure all 8-tracks self-destruct after a while, when the lubrication in them wears out.

If we're going to bring back anything...bring back the CD!

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Bring back the Edison cylinder!!!! It does not suffer from the tracking and uneven centrifigal force that vinyl discs have so it's better.

8 track was a "built in doom factor" format. They failed all the time when they were new.

In some dark, forbidden corner of Hell, tortured souls are trying to remove all the snarled up tape in old 8 track Muntz players!!! :- D


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Re: Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? [Re: KuruPrionz] #3028358 02/10/20 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
They failed all the time when they were new.

In some dark, forbidden corner of Hell, tortured souls are trying to remove all the snarled up tape in old 8 track Muntz players!!! :- D
Every now and then, by the side of a highway, you'd see 8-track road kill where some frustrated soul threw the thing out the window, and its tape unraveled all over the pavement...like some weird kind of mylar intestine.

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No, I don't believe it will become the next hipster thing. It might make a funny art project, but hardly anyone can play it, fewer people ever had any experience with it, and the abrupt changing to another track mid-song would annoy most people, including DJs. Added to that the fact that there are not really a lot of interesting recordings on 8-track floating around still, and it's just not going to happen. As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere.

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Ken, you're so wrong. What makes you think that





abruptly changing to another track





in mid-song would annoy most people? smile

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Ate tracks?

Once the tracks have been eaten, the results are invevitable...


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Purchasing an 8 track tape does not give the buyer cool cover art or printed lyrics to the songs.

This means no one is ever going to sift through a collection of old 8 track tapes in your home, and exclaim how cool they are.

And if the audio fidelity of prerecorded 8 track tapes is similar to what existed for those of us who ever bought an album in the form of a prerecorded cassette tape, that would be pretty bad.
I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good.
But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap.

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Originally Posted by harmonizer
Purchasing an 8 track tape does not give the buyer cool cover art or printed lyrics to the songs.

This means no one is ever going to sift through a collection of old 8 track tapes in your home, and exclaim how cool they are.

And if the audio fidelity of prerecorded 8 track tapes is similar to what existed for those of us who ever bought an album in the form of a prerecorded cassette tape, that would be pretty bad.
I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good.
But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap.


8 track sounded like crap too, believe me!!!! Plus sometimes it would "skew" and you could hear the ghost of a different song.
Part of it was the speakers of course, we had the Craig 2-way 6x9 "system" in the rear deck. Crappy tape, crappy player, crappy speakers.
But, we had Whos Next blasting away so there was joy in all the land!


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8 Tracks are like a B school lesson in finding the "almost good enough" solution to a problem. A combination of ingenuity, hustle, self-deception and fatal compromise. Funny and failed like a leisure suit. As an art project, though, funny and obsessive. Designers love this stuff. And those green 8 track shells mentioned in the Verge article were because the label was "Chrysalis". Dig it.

ArsTechnica did a capsule review of the hardware history of the 8 track. Carts - in the sense of the NAB cartridge, both preceded and survived the 8 track.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/01/forgotten-audio-formats-stereo-8/

But the 8 track was the 8 track because of the people who cobbled it together and could look you in the eye and tell you that the 4 track tape is dead and the Philips cassette is a toy and if people are driving with the windows down they might not even notice that the song faded out weird.

Everything 8 track over here - http://www.8trackheaven.com

In the suburbs just west of O'Hare in one of the first industrial parks was the home of Ampex. There is a first person account from a guy who worked there in 1971.

http://www.8trackheaven.com/archive/ampex.html

The brief success of 8 tracks also played a role on reshaping the record business. Ampex had successfully negotiated distribution deals with many labels at a time when distribution was still mostly small labels with independent distributors servicing territories. The Ampex model of a national organization was influential when labels started consolidating and moving to branch distribution (CBS, WEA, MCA, etc.) in the 1970s.

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Originally Posted by spokenward
A combination of ingenuity, hustle, self-deception and fatal compromise.


That is a GREAT line!! Applies to more than 8-tracks.

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Originally Posted by harmonizer
I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good.
But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap.
That's because you were recording in real time. The pre-recorded cassettes were duplicated at high speeds. I forget the exact multiple, but it was a lot faster.

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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
They failed all the time when they were new.

In some dark, forbidden corner of Hell, tortured souls are trying to remove all the snarled up tape in old 8 track Muntz players!!! :- D
Every now and then, by the side of a highway, you'd see 8-track road kill where some frustrated soul threw the thing out the window, and its tape unraveled all over the pavement...like some weird kind of mylar intestine.


HAW HAW, Beavis, you said "mylar intestine!" sick laugh


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Originally Posted by Anderton
Originally Posted by harmonizer
I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good.
But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap.
That's because you were recording in real time. The pre-recorded cassettes were duplicated at high speeds. I forget the exact multiple, but it was a lot faster.
...and the tape used in pre-made cassettes was...not top quaity. idk shudder

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Originally Posted by harmonizer
I used to record my albums from LP to high quality blank cassettes (Maxell or TDK), and the resulting audio quality was pretty good.
But when I bought an album in the store as a prerecorded cassette (in the 1970s) it sounded like crap.
That's because you were recording in real time. The pre-recorded cassettes were duplicated at high speeds. I forget the exact multiple, but it was a lot faster.
...and the tape used in pre-made cassettes was...not top quaity. idk shudder

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The eight-track tape actually started out (at a considerably higher speed and fidelity) as a radio broadcast device for the playing of "spots" (commercials and promos). That tape was generally in a lot shorter windings, and one track was used for the audio, another for the signal to stop the playback. It did not have to switch to another set of tracks since the usual material was 15, 30, or 60 second length.

It was popular in radio stations because the mechanism used for playing had a lever that put the tape into position, push buttons (which could be remoted) to start playback (and to stop before the recorded stop if needed), and it produced a much easier method of running a bunch of short "spots" than the previous use of small reels on reel-to-reel tape recorders. Long life was not a requisite for this use, it was possible to reload the cartridge (although not the easiest thing to do).

The consumer 8-track was much slower playback speed, not as good fidelity, and generally had a number of tracks on the 1/4" tape, for L & R channel playback. Track Switching was done by moving the head relative to the tape itself vertically.


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Originally Posted by MoodyBluesKeys


The consumer 8-track was much slower playback speed, not as good fidelity, and generally had a number of tracks on the 1/4" tape, for L & R channel playback. Track Switching was done by moving the head relative to the tape itself vertically.


Earl "Madman" Muntz slowed the Fidelipac down to 3-3/4 IPS, changed the format to 4 tracks, and sold it as the Stereo-Pak system that offered twice the playing time of a cassette. It eventually evolved to the Stereo-8 with the help of Bill Lear, of LearJet fame. Before the tape cartridge, in the late 1940s, Muntz was reverse-engineering the RCA 630 television chassis and selling television sets for $100. He was also the first to popularize "TV" as a shortened form of "television."

Could Uli Behringer be our generation's Earl Muntz?

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Every now and then, by the side of a highway, you'd see 8-track road kill where some frustrated soul threw the thing out the window, and its tape unraveled all over the pavement...like some weird kind of mylar intestine.

HAW HAW, Beavis, you said "mylar intestine!" sick laugh

I call band name.

The best use of an 8-track tape was for the Evolution Control Committee's cassette album Gunderphonic, which was packaged inside an 8-track shell that had been cracked open and emptied of tape, with the album label graphics pasted over the old ones in such a way that you could still see what the 8-track used to be.

This release is of great historical significance, as it is the first-ever recorded instance of what we would today call a "mashup". Mark Gunderson got his grubby little hands on isolated vocal rap tracks from a Public Enemy album and laid them perfectly over two songs by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, creating an entire genre of music in a few hysterically funny minutes.

Oh, and you can download the whole album for free if you want. It's very primitive-sounding by today's standards, but for 1994 it was groundbreaking:
Gunderphonic by the Evolution Control Committee



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Originally Posted by Anderton
Today's trivia: Shanda Lear is Bill Lear's daughter. Yes, Shanda Lear. Say it fast.


As I remember it, her first name is Chrystal, and that was from before the Internet, so it must be true.

Some famous country musician has a daughter named Amanda Lynn.



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Originally Posted by KenElevenShadows
As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere.

Friends, please join me in a collective shudder of horror at the apparent resurgence of cassettes as a popular medium for releasing recordings. It's the new thing among a lot of the kids. Wha-a?


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Talk about redundancy. During last five decades I bought the same albums on vinyl, cassette, 8 track, CD and mp3. And somehow the music industry couldn't figure out a way to survive. I suppose "The Internet" is the obvious reason for the music industry's demise.

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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Metlay
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As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere.

Friends, please join me in a collective shudder of horror at the apparent resurgence of cassettes as a popular medium for releasing recordings. It's the new thing among a lot of the kids. Wha-a?



It's not very popular at all. It really isn't. And the people releasing it know this, but do so as a novelty. There are also some DJ nights where people play cassettes, which i think is kinda funny. But no, cassettes are not a thing. And 8-tracks will NEVER be a thing. Seriously.

Vinyl, I get. Cassettes and 8-tracks...not a thing.

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Talk about redundancy. During last five decades I bought the same albums on vinyl, cassette, 8 track, CD and mp3. And somehow the music industry couldn't figure out a way to survive. I suppose "The Internet" is the obvious reason for the music industry's demise.


Yes, that and releasing crappy corporate music.

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As it is, cassettes are a small minority, and that's something that people are at least somewhat familiar with and possibly have a boombox lying around somewhere.

Friends, please join me in a collective shudder of horror at the apparent resurgence of cassettes as a popular medium for releasing recordings. It's the new thing among a lot of the kids. Wha-a?



It's not very popular at all. It really isn't. And the people releasing it know this, but do so as a novelty. There are also some DJ nights where people play cassettes, which i think is kinda funny. But no, cassettes are not a thing. And 8-tracks will NEVER be a thing. Seriously.

Vinyl, I get. Cassettes and 8-tracks...not a thing.


What he said. I did a analog to digital conversion for a friend from his Tascam Portastudio 424 Mk II and since he now has clean digital files to work with, he gave me the unit and some NOS unopened cassettes.
As soon as I can test everything and confirm operation, I am selling it. Too much big ol' clunky for 4 tracks of pretty OK sound and at some point it will need maintenance (hopefully not yet!!!).
If it sells as-is that's fine, I just want the buyer to know what is and is not working. I try to be fair. At the same time, can't stop people who want it. Ugh, cassettes. Better than 8 track cartridge but not by much...


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Today's trivia: Shanda Lear is Bill Lear's daughter. Yes, Shanda Lear. Say it fast.


As I remember it, her first name is Chrystal, and that was from before the Internet, so it must be true.
It is true, but I knew her as Shanda...the Lears had an apartment above my family's in Geneva. Good times smile

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Originally Posted by SteveCoscia
Talk about redundancy. During last five decades I bought the same albums on vinyl, cassette, 8 track, CD and mp3. And somehow the music industry couldn't figure out a way to survive. I suppose "The Internet" is the obvious reason for the music industry's demise.
Well, that's what they want you to think smile I think the music industry was responsible for its demise. It was an industry that stuck its collective fingers in its ears, and said "I can't hear you nah nah nah nah."

The internet was inevitable. When change happens, it's better to stake your own claim, rather than pretend an issue doesn't exist. The record industry thought they could do business as usual.

At a trade show when Peavey introduced their software-based MediaMatrix system, Hartley was talking about how great software-based processing was, while standing in front of a bunch of rack-mount hardware processors. I said that was kind of a disconnect. He said "Craig, someday all of these are going to be obsolete. I'd rather put myself out of business than have someone do it to me."

True that.

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OK, cynical skeptics - here are five reasons why cassettes were the best playback medium ever.

1 Cassettes used tape. Everyone (yes, everyone) knows that suspending a bunch of teeny-tiny little magnets in plastic, blasting them with supersonic energy, then making them line up using a method that resembles herding drunken and disorderly cats is the surest way possible to create a peachy-keen sound.

2 Cassettes were designed for low-fi dictation applications, not music. Being perversely contrary is in a musician’s DNA. So of course, upon first seeing the cassette, musicians realized immediately that this was clearly destined to be the playback medium of the future. Even better, cassettes distorted like crazy!

3 The format was ahead of its time. The widespread adoption of low-bit-rate MP3 formats, played through earbuds from China, proved that what people really wanted was not incremental, but excremental, changes in sound quality. The cassette delivered on that promise long before digital technology figured out how to take truly bad sound to a hitherto-uncharted level of wretchedness.

4 Cassettes had little reels that rotated. Back in the ’60s, if people had communed sufficiently with a mind-altering substance, they could be amused for hours watching the little reels go around—even if the music wasn’t any good. Decades later, music videos would exploit this very same principle by making elaborate videos for forgettable music.

5 They made spectacular road kill. When people got frustrated with cassettes jamming in their car stereo and threw them out the window, the tape would unravel like some strange kind of post-industrial intestine, literally spilling its guts all over the interstate. Can a CD do that? A download? Vinyl? No! Need I say more?

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OK, cynical skeptics - here are five reasons why cassettes were the best playback medium ever.


And here's an equally tongue-in-cheek argument for the phonograph record being the best playback medium ever. At the time of this story, there was the great fear of a perfect digital clone of a commercial recording, and there was some (t-i-c, of course) support within the audio community that there can be no perfect clone of a wiggly groove.


[url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1216161][/url]

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I'd rather put myself out of business than have someone do it to me.True that.
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I'd rather put myself out of business than have someone do it to me.True that.
Andy Grove, ex-Intel CEO, believed in killing their cash cow. Grove called it being the ultimate cannibal. Intel's R&D primary job was to put their current CPU out of business.
Very cool, thanks for contributing that.

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Re: Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? [Re: Strays Dave] #3028893 02/13/20 08:26 PM
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If it does become the next hipster thing, the NEXT one will be picking up a stick and beating anyone who brags about it.

Full disclosure: I have 40-year-old cassettes whose fidelity remains all but unblemished. So, I'm an old fart, a living testimonial for the format and a cackling old collector who still listens to Charles Ives' "American Variations" for simple pleasure. Tip: Teens may be impressed by "Close To The Edge," but most run from Captain Beefheart.


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Re: Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? [Re: Strays Dave] #3028961 02/14/20 03:46 AM
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Re: Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? [Re: David Emm] #3028983 02/14/20 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by David Emm
If it does become the next hipster thing, the NEXT one will be picking up a stick and beating anyone who brags about it.

Full disclosure: I have 40-year-old cassettes whose fidelity remains all but unblemished. So, I'm an old fart, a living testimonial for the format and a cackling old collector who still listens to Charles Ives' "American Variations" for simple pleasure. Tip: Teens may be impressed by "Close To The Edge," but most run from Captain Beefheart.



Hahaha!!! I've a good friend from Holland who loves "symphonic rock". I introduced him to the Dregs, that went down pretty well. He had heard of Return To Forever and Weather Report but needed a reminder. Fine.

Captain Beefheart terrorized him!!! We used to listen to Trout Mask Replica when it came out because it would make my friend's parents leave the building. I have my Captain Beefheart moods to this day. I consider him to be one of the most under-rated and influential musicians in popular music.
Not on 8 track or cassette though, must listen to horrible sounding YouTube music!!!! :- D


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Re: Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? [Re: KuruPrionz] #3029001 02/14/20 02:25 PM
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Hahaha!!! I've a good friend from Holland who loves "symphonic rock". I introduced him to the Dregs, that went down pretty well. He had heard of Return To Forever and Weather Report but needed a reminder. Fine.

Captain Beefheart terrorized him!!! We used to listen to Trout Mask Replica when it came out because it would make my friend's parents leave the building. I have my Captain Beefheart moods to this day. I consider him to be one of the most under-rated and influential musicians in popular music.
Not on 8 track or cassette though, must listen to horrible sounding YouTube music!!!! :- D


On "Trout Mask Replica" and "Lick My Decals Off Baby" the music is pretty difficult to "enjoy". One thing that's happening is that individual band players are doing repeated riffs/motifs/little melodic ideas. But they're asymmetrical and disjointed sounding. After dismal sales of "Lick My Decals Off Baby" , Beefheart enlisted Ted Templeman (producer for Doobie Brothers and Carly Simon among others) to produce "Clear Spot".

I believe Clear Spot is one the the great R&R albums. But it seems to have been too late. I listen to Clear Spot on a regular basis, with Bluetooth headphones while out on walks.

Also, a composer named Sam Andreyev did a YT analysis of "Frownland" - the 1st song on Trout Mask Replica. Andreyev shows that there were repeated asymmetrical riffs being used. Similar to some music Igor Stravinsky composed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FhhB9teHqU&t=3s

Wikipedia on Clear Spot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_Spot




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Thanks Dave, I'll give that a spin! Bookmarked...

I think this what i "inflicted" on my Dutch friend, gotta love live footage. And yeah, it's pretty well off the beaten path!!!!

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Re: Will 8 track tapes become the next hipster thing ? [Re: KuruPrionz] #3029215 02/15/20 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
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If it does become the next hipster thing, the NEXT one will be picking up a stick and beating anyone who brags about it.

Full disclosure: I have 40-year-old cassettes whose fidelity remains all but unblemished. So, I'm an old fart, a living testimonial for the format and a cackling old collector who still listens to Charles Ives' "American Variations" for simple pleasure. Tip: Teens may be impressed by "Close To The Edge," but most run from Captain Beefheart.



Hahaha!!! I've a good friend from Holland who loves "symphonic rock". I introduced him to the Dregs, that went down pretty well. He had heard of Return To Forever and Weather Report but needed a reminder. Fine.

Captain Beefheart terrorized him!!! We used to listen to Trout Mask Replica when it came out because it would make my friend's parents leave the building. I have my Captain Beefheart moods to this day. I consider him to be one of the most under-rated and influential musicians in popular music.
Not on 8 track or cassette though, must listen to horrible sounding YouTube music!!!! :- D


I was fortunate to have been exposed to music across a wide range from an early age. I developed my prog favorites, but I also learned that the winning question wasn't "Why do you like that?", but "How did you first come to hear that?" Its led to the kinds of cross-connections we all love, like my discovery of Cannonball Adderly because his keyboard player, the great George Duke, was part of Zappa's band for a while. Its only sensible that you find your own personal partitions so you can make worthwhile music of your own, but its never a bad idea to be open to new influences.

Beefheart's angular "Tropical Hot Dog Night" slays me. I took an opportunity to play it for a group of rather straight-laced people and the reactions were amusingly mixed. Some puckered up, some laughed out loud in spots. Hm! Look Mom, its an audio Rorschach test.


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A big headache to repair an 8 track tape. Endless loop...endless headaches.

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If it does become the next hipster thing, the NEXT one will be picking up a stick and beating anyone who brags about it.

Full disclosure: I have 40-year-old cassettes whose fidelity remains all but unblemished. So, I'm an old fart, a living testimonial for the format and a cackling old collector who still listens to Charles Ives' "American Variations" for simple pleasure. Tip: Teens may be impressed by "Close To The Edge," but most run from Captain Beefheart.



Hahaha!!! I've a good friend from Holland who loves "symphonic rock". I introduced him to the Dregs, that went down pretty well. He had heard of Return To Forever and Weather Report but needed a reminder. Fine.

Captain Beefheart terrorized him!!! We used to listen to Trout Mask Replica when it came out because it would make my friend's parents leave the building. I have my Captain Beefheart moods to this day. I consider him to be one of the most under-rated and influential musicians in popular music.
Not on 8 track or cassette though, must listen to horrible sounding YouTube music!!!! :- D


I was fortunate to have been exposed to music across a wide range from an early age. I developed my prog favorites, but I also learned that the winning question wasn't "Why do you like that?", but "How did you first come to hear that?" Its led to the kinds of cross-connections we all love, like my discovery of Cannonball Adderly because his keyboard player, the great George Duke, was part of Zappa's band for a while. Its only sensible that you find your own personal partitions so you can make worthwhile music of your own, but its never a bad idea to be open to new influences.

Beefheart's angular "Tropical Hot Dog Night" slays me. I took an opportunity to play it for a group of rather straight-laced people and the reactions were amusingly mixed. Some puckered up, some laughed out loud in spots. Hm! Look Mom, its an audio Rorschach test.


I was also very lucky. Mom had diverse tastes in music, from Roger Miller to Brahms. When Carlos Montoya, Artur Rubenstein and Joan Baez came to town, we went to the concerts. We watched Ed Sullivan, Red Skelton, Smothers Brothers, Johnny Cash and Glen Campbell's TV shows, all kinds of popular music. My brother put a decent stereo system together with Garrard turntable, Fisher tube power amp and a pair of homemade 3 way speakers using Radio Shack drivers. It sounded better than everything else I'd listened to at that point but more importantly, he would go to Tower Records and buy stuff that was more or less off the beaten path for Fresno boys. So I listened to story-telling songs from Kenya, Turkish Village Music, Monk, Miles and Mingus, Sun Ra, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Bach, Beethoven, Stravinsky, Blind Blake etc. I remember when he came home with a John Lee Hooker album and mom didn't like that one so he went back and got another one!!!!

Then my friends started buying anything by Zappa or connected thereto like Wild Man Fischer and Captain Beefheart.

And concerts - being inbetween LA and San Francisco meant we often got major acts coming through. I saw Yes and ELP twice, UK, Jethro Tull, The Dregs/Dixie Dregs, Herbie Hancock on the Headhunter tour, The Who on the Tommy tour and a huge list of other great stuff. Plus we found out you could go to the dress rehearsals for the Fresno Philharmonic for free so I hear Jean Pierre Rampal and other artists whose names I have forgotten. It was interesting when the conductor would stop a piece, discuss corrections and go through it again, that was an education you can't buy anywhere.

So I am very open-minded and curious to hear just about anything. But not on 8 track tape!!!!


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