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It would be fun to have a thread where we could talk about microphones that we actually own.
That's what this is.

Some of this was in another thread, hopefully this title draws more participation. I am especially interested in obscure or “secret” mics that are somehow more interesting than expected. I mention a couple below, not because you should all hunt one down but life may offer opportunities and we all want to know what those might be.

This is my intial comparison of all of my standard XLR plug microphones. Others wait in the wings.
I'll be back with more results on the mics below after my Furman power conditioner/noise eliminator arrives and is hooked up.

I set that up and did a brief test of each microphone running through my Fishman Loudbox Performer. The EQ was set to noon and left there, the anti-feedback was off, no effects. The tweeter attenuator was turned down a bit, it is more natural sounding that way. We set it and left it for live work. The only setting that was changed for each microphone was the Gain, some mics require phantom power, the Fishman supplies 24 volts at high current.

The random element is that I turned the mics up to a reasonable volume, where I could hear them well. This was not calibrated, just by guess and by gosh. So, sue me!!! :- D
I intend to get closer using the meters in the DAW when I record the mics.

I used a Blue pop filter placed about 1.5” away from the business end of the mic. I positioned my pie hole about 2” away from the pop filter. I have two side address mics with inexpensive but effective pop filters that strap onto the mics with rubber bands. Mine were “branded” as Mudder but you can get them all day long on ebay under different “brands”.
There were no problems with plosives or sibilence under normal singing (for me) conditions. I can make anything pop or spit if I put my mind to it.

For what it is worth, I am very open-minded regarding what mic goes where and what combinations might be “interesting.” Since I feel vocals are paramount to my songwriting projects I decided to give these a comparison run first. Where possible, I will link manufacturer specs – you may need to copy and paste some of the links.

Here are my first impressions.

Heil PR40
https://heilsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/PR-40.pdf
This mic was the reason I changed the intial test, it was very noisy in the convenient location I began testing mics in my studio space. My studio rig is simple, very few components. Apparently it radiates considerable EMI. I've had some noise issues with EMG guitar pickups, which are very quiet in other contexts (gigging all over the place).
With the Fishman, the Heil was silent. It is a great sounding mic for vocals. The bottom end was huge but smooth and clear. The high frequencies were extended for what I am used to with a dynamic mic and not “peaky” to any annoying degree. I like it very much, it makes me feel good about singing and the sound I make.

Peavey 520i
https://assets.peavey.com/literature/manuals/80301951.pdf
One of the great under-rated mics. This mic is another large diaphragm dynamic with a neodymium magnet structure. It is more “hyped” in the mids but still has a natural sound for vocals. The output is lower than the Heil, I turned the gain up more to get the same volume. No noise.

CAD D82
https://cadaudio.com/products/cad-live/d82#specs
This is a side address ribbon mic, I used the attachable pop filter described above. Pattern is Figure 8 so I turned this mic sideways to point the null at the speaker. This mic has a huge, glorious low frequency response. The highs are there but attenuated somewhat. Overall it sounds clear to me, not muddy or boomy. This will make a thin voice sound full and rich. I plan on testing with other mics to bring the highs up without EQ.


CAD Equitek E100 (2)
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1016977/Cad-Equitek-E100-2.html
Medium diaphragm hypercardioid condensor mic. Attached pop filter described above. The pattern makes it more important to stay centered and sing to the element than with some of the other mics. The mids and highs are noticeably more present than with dynamic or ribbon mics. The output is higher as well. A full, clear sounding mic, probably good on all sorts of things. A good choice for vocals but I would advise caution if somebody has a thinner sounding voice.

Audio Technica MB4000C
https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/resource_library/literature/466fb537601283f5/mb4000c.pdf
Small diaphragm cardioid condensor mic. The low frequencies are attenuated. The high frequencies are very smooth and clear. I didn't feel the need for a pop filter with this mic unless the singer tends to get very close. I'm thinking this mic would combine very well with the CAD D82 and intend to try that as one configuration. It sounds very good if a bit thin. In practice we may not want too much low frequency information in the vocals so it could sit very well in a mix. I would not use this for recording bass or kick.

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Fender D1
Review - http://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/fender-microphones/2856
I found no spec sheet online. Not surprising, this is not a famous microphone. It was given to me. It is made in Japan and has a high quality feel and look to the build (Audio Technica?). It sounds fine, think Shure SM58 and you won't be too far off. I have an evil plan for this mic.

Electro-Voice EV PL95
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/43531/Electro-Voice-Pl95.html#manual (spec sheet is visible at the link, no download needed.
This did duty as my guitar amp mic for many gigs. I've also used this mic for live vocals a few times. It sounds good and is easy to work with. Output is fairly low, Cloudlifter CL-1 fixed that nicely. Another gift. It has never sounded bad, it will get used here.

Shure Beta 87a
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/beta_87a A link to download the spec sheet is a bit over ¾ of the way down this page. It will appear on your computer, not on your browser.
I used this as my primarly vocal mic for many years and many gigs. For recording I found putting a simple foam windscreen on it allows you to benefit from the well-controlled proximity effect and somewhat exaggerated high mid/treble boost without excessive plosives or sibilence. I've gotten clear, clean vocal takes with this mic and the windscreen. I plan on testing it in combination with the CAD D82 to bring up the highs without EQ.

Shure KSM8
https://pubs-api.shure.com/file/259934
Pop filter recommended for recording vocals. The proximity effect is very well controlled and the sweet spot is large. Backing up a little does not thin out a voice the way it will with many mics designed for live work. Shure has charts of the cardiod pattern at many different frequencies (instead of just the standard 1,000 hz) and every frequency chart overlay is remarkably close to identical with the others (there are a few notable discrepencies). This means somewhat off axis singing will not have significant tone shifts. That could be great for two singers sharing a mic on stage. This is a great mic, my favorite dynamic mic at this point.

Peavey PVM 48
https://assets.peavey.com/literature/manuals/80300302.pdf
These are cardiod condenser mics and require phantom power. Hence the 48 I suppose. I got a pair of these on ebay on the cheap. The foam under the windscreen was rotted, I removed it.
A foam windscreen works well. Solid build and attractive. I think they are worth pursuing further tests, I'm sure I'll find a use for them. If not, wouldn't take much to break even. Sounded good on the Fishman (with the windscreen).

Azden SGM 1X
https://www.azden.com/products/microphones/shotgun-microphones/sgm-1x/
Thrift store find - $14. Windscreen and padded bag included. Very high output, super cardiod pattern will pick up directly behind. I haven't used this as intended. As not intended it is very bright and thin sounding, yet harsh. I will experiment with it and see if I can find a use for it. Maybe a 3rd acoustic guitar mic off yonder a bit or treble enhancer for ribbon mics.

Electro-Voice EV N/D767a
https://www.electrovoice.com/binary/NDYM767a_EDS.pdf
http://microphonegeeks.com/electro-voice-nd767a-dynamic-vocal-microphone-review/
Picked up a new one when Guitar Center cleared them out for $50. It has it's own sound, aggresively bright but distance, a pop filter or a windscreen can bring that back to a smoother sound that is still very clear. I think it will have an interesting sound for many things.

Audix OM2
https://audixusa.com/docs_12/specs_pdf/OM2_v3_0516.pdf
https://audixusa.com/docs_12/units/OM2.shtml
Pawn shop, like new in the box with bag and mount - $25.
This is my current gigging vocal mic. I find it very easy to work with, a pleasantly clear and full sounding mic with no extreme behaviors (boring, I know). I'll try recording with it. It's more than paid for itself already. I'd like to try an OM5, I've heard they are really good too.

OK, these are first comparison/impressions of my current mic stash. I know it sounds like I really like all of them and in my and their own way, I do. Some of them don't sound right to me, that's got to be useful somehow. I've a long history of doing things “wrong” to see what comes of it.

I plan on updating this mic by mic as I try things with them. Currently waiting for a power conditioner/noise suppressor I can plug everything into. I've been having noise problems – EMI and such. Sharing a wall in a condo, who knows what they have plugged in and/or how well the wiring was done. Cheers, Kuru


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My mic locker is very specialized for the work I do, and while some of my choices will be familiar, others will not. In no particular order:

Lauten LS-208
https://www.lautenaudio.com/ls-208
An absolutely brilliant end-address vocal mic that is one of my go-to mics for voiceover work on my weekly radio show. It's plosive resistant without an extra screen and sounds great on my voice. $599

Roswell Audio Mini K47
https://roswellproaudio.com/products/mini-k47
This mic should cost twice what it does ($349) and would be worth every penny. Seriously, I have no clue why every serious small-studio owner doesn't have one (or a pair!) of these. While you can find another mic that will be better than the Mini K47 on this or that particular application, they do almost everything very well and are true workhorses. I especially love them on vocals and acoustic guitar.

Lauten Torch (pair)
http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Lauten/Torch
(No longer made -- the above link is to the RecordingHacks page about it. Originally sold for $1299/pair.)
These are exquisite-sounding tube-based small-diaphragm condenser mics that work beautifully on everything from drum overheads and stereo rooms to dual-miked guitars. Everyone should have a pair of pencil condensers of SOME kind in their locker; the very inexpensive RØDE pairs are a good option, the Black Series Lautens and the Josephson Series Four are streets ahead while not being that much more costly... but I have the Torches and love them. Sue me.

Placid Audio Copperphone Mini
https://www.placidaudio.com/products/copperphone-mini/
Remember that funky old-style retro mic that the Polyphonic Spree used for some vocals, the one that looked like a pipe bomb? This is the smaller version. It's band-limited, distorted, and nasty, in a really sweet vintage way, and I love it to pieces for vocals and special percussion effects, not to mention sampling. It can be dismounted and used as a handheld mic; someday I need to try it on harmonica, I'll bet it would be awesome.

Shure SM57 with A2WS windscreen
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/sm57
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/accessories/a2ws
The first mic I ever owned. It was given to me as a gift many years ago, when I stepped in to volunteer as a DJ/MC at a festival I was playing but had to borrow a mic because I hadn't packed one. For whatever reason, that grubby old mic sounded great on my voice, and I still use it to this day. Sounds great on its own, but absolutely soars when teamed with a Cloud Microphones Cloudlifter Zi (which is also fun on the Copperphone Mini). Seriously, just get one (still only $99) and have it handy. Just do it. (But be sure you're not getting a cheap Chinese fake, there are a lot out there.) And for $18, throw in the windscreen too...

Sorry this took so long for me to post. Anyone else like to chime in? Even if you don't list everything, if there's a secret sauce in your mic pantry, please share it!

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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Metlay
My mic locker is very specialized for the work I do, and while some of my choices will be familiar, others will not. In no particular order:

Roswell Audio Mini K47
https://roswellproaudio.com/products/mini-k47
This mic should cost twice what it does ($349) and would be worth every penny. Seriously, I have no clue why every serious small-studio owner doesn't have one (or a pair!) of these. While you can find another mic that will be better than the Mini K47 on this or that particular application, they do almost everything very well and are true workhorses. I especially love them on vocals and acoustic guitar.

Lauten Torch (pair)
http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Lauten/Torch
(No longer made -- the above link is to the RecordingHacks page about it. Originally sold for $1299/pair.)
These are exquisite-sounding tube-based small-diaphragm condenser mics that work beautifully on everything from drum overheads and stereo rooms to dual-miked guitars. Everyone should have a pair of pencil condensers of SOME kind in their locker; the very inexpensive RØDE pairs are a good option, the Black Series Lautens and the Josephson Series Four are streets ahead while not being that much more costly... but I have the Torches and love them. Sue me.


Shure SM57 with A2WS windscreen
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/sm57
https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/accessories/a2ws
The first mic I ever owned. It was given to me as a gift many years ago, when I stepped in to volunteer as a DJ/MC at a festival I was playing but had to borrow a mic because I hadn't packed one. For whatever reason, that grubby old mic sounded great on my voice, and I still use it to this day. Sounds great on its own, but absolutely soars when teamed with a Cloud Microphones Cloudlifter Zi (which is also fun on the Copperphone Mini). Seriously, just get one (still only $99) and have it handy. Just do it. (But be sure you're not getting a cheap Chinese fake, there are a lot out there.) And for $18, throw in the windscreen too...

Sorry this took so long for me to post. Anyone else like to chime in? Even if you don't list everything, if there's a secret sauce in your mic pantry, please share it!

mike



I've been looking at the Roswell mics, they recently had a sale on getting both the Mini K47 and Mini K87 that took all of my will power to keep away from my credit card!!!!

A pair of SDC is on my short list. Long ago I had a pair of Peavey 480 SCD. The mics in my Tascam DR40 are pretty nice and can be set AB or XY which is handy. I like the idea of capsule swapping from cardiod to omni even though I'd hardly ever be able to use the omni here with the ambient noise. Could be useful for location gigs. With the 8 space rack i just picked up, I should be able to put my laptop, headphones and a bag of mics in there and would only need a cable bag and mic stands (golf cart!!!) to go mobile. Not sure what the opportunities are but I'll be ready.

I have no idea why I don't own an SM57 but I don't. I had a pair of SM58s about 40 years ago. Classics, pretty easy to find a use for them...


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I don't have a huge mic locker. The star of the show is the Cloud Ribbon, but you guys probably already know about that.

But, I do have a tip. Neat Mics didn't get traction with Gibson, and there was a ton of mics in inventory just sitting there. The people who started Neat were able to buy back the inventory, and the mics are going for insane prices on Amazon. I use the King Bee large-diaphragm condenser for narration and vocals, the Worker Bee small diaphragm for acoustic guitar and some vocals.

The King Bee is going for $99 (used to be $349 IIRC) and the Worker Bee for $89.99. It's not just me, check out the Amazon user reviews for the King Bee.

Also FYI - the Beecaster is an incredible USB mic, I use it for all my conference calls, Skype, etc. and the four switchable polar patterns are a big deal. Best USB mic I've tried. It's going for $99.99.

My understanding is that when this inventory is depleted, there won't be any more. I picked up a couple extras of each, just in case. At this price, I couldn't go wrong.

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Sweet, will check out the Bees!!!

OK, I surfed for reviews and took a look.
It is easy to understand the marketing failure, these are hideous mics!
At the current prices they are also huge bang for the buck. Makin' my credit card twitch!!!!

TapeOp review
https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/117/king-bee-worker-bee-condenser-mics/

Sound on Sound review
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/neat-king-bee-worker-bee

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Went for the King Bee, Sweetwater has them. I used Paypal credit so I've got 6 months to pay it off with zero interest.

After reading the reviews I decide to pass on the Worker Bee, I have a medium diameter condensor mic that I like and no large diaphragm one.

If I was rolling in it right now I'd have grabbed two of each. So it goes...


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Originally Posted by Anderton

Also FYI - the Beecaster is an incredible USB mic


I picked up one of these when you first mention them in another thread, Craig. Excellent value, for sure.


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
It is easy to understand the marketing failure, these are hideous mics!
You can take off the yellow rubber bands. There were only two reactions to the look:

"Omigod, these are awesome! Very cool!"
"I think I'm going to throw up"

As to me, hey, they sound good. I don't care if they look like Jar Jar Binks.

Well, maybe I do. Never mind.

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Yeah I figured the bands would come off.
And I don't care about the appearance much either.
But many people do, and it had to be a factor. Add in that Gibson was struggling in a pool of it's own cess and things didn't go well for Neat.
Mayve they will try again.

The reviews indicated that $99 is stupid cheap for a mic of that audio quality. Both Tape Op and Sound On Sound said they thought it was an excellent mic for $349.
I'm looking forward to having one!

Thanks again for the tip!!


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We purchased one of the original Roswell Delphos condensers for recording at work (we mostly do language teaching materials and podcasting) -- we wanted something with a switchable polar pattern and it's far and away the best quality-to-price ratio we could find.

Haven't been disappointed, it's a great mic to work with. It's found its way into some of my, shall we say, extracurricular recording projects as well, to my great satisfaction. A pair of the Mini K47s is on my home studio wish list, for sure.


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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
We purchased one of the original Roswell Delphos condensers for recording at work (we mostly do language teaching materials and podcasting) -- we wanted something with a switchable polar pattern and it's far and away the best quality-to-price ratio we could find.

Haven't been disappointed, it's a great mic to work with. It's found its way into some of my, shall we say, extracurricular recording projects as well, to my great satisfaction. A pair of the Mini K47s is on my home studio wish list, for sure.


Good to know, Roswell founder Matt McGlynn also runs MicParts, where some nifty mic kits are available for those who are handy with a soldering iron.
https://microphone-parts.com

One of my go-to pages for microphone lust, I've successfully built a kit or two and have soldered up LOTS of wiring harnesses for guitars and other things.

Also, after reading reviews of both the K47 and the K87 I think I might want a pair of K87 since they have less "personality" and would be good for pretty much everything. Would love at least one K47 too! You're right, the bang for the buck is pretty unbeatable.
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A second on the Bee mics from NEAT! I had a Beecaster in the office for a long time and really liked it. For that cost, I might grab a Worker Bee and/or a King Bee...


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I did end up purchasing a pair of King Bees 2 days ago, should be arriving shortly. Found an online retailer whom I have done business with before that offered free shipping and 6 payments on my credit card with no credit check. Couldn't turn that deal down.


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I also got a King Bee on blowout. I like it a lot better than I thought. I used it for my podcast appearance with David Holloway.

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Gonna be a hive of these Bees on MPN!!!!!

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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Add in that Gibson was struggling in a pool of it's own cess and things didn't go well for Neat.
Gibson struggled with pro audio in general. I think part of that was, paradoxically, owing to the guitars. Any store could sell Gibson guitars, so why put effort into something selling in a different category, which brought in a lot less money?

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Maybe they will try again.
Well, the people who were behind Blue and then Neat are up to something... It remains to be seen exactly what, but I know they had several new mic designs just about ready to launch when the issues with Gibson went down. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit the world before too long. They also had a particularly super-creative and interesting idea that hadn't reached fruition yet, I hope that at some point it gets out into the world.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
I also got a King Bee on blowout. I like it a lot better than I thought. I used it for my podcast appearance with David Holloway.

dB


curious why you chose the King Bee over the Beecaster, just to try something new, maybe?


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Originally Posted by Anderton
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Add in that Gibson was struggling in a pool of it's own cess and things didn't go well for Neat.
Gibson struggled with pro audio in general. I think part of that was, paradoxically, owing to the guitars. Any store could sell Gibson guitars, so why put effort into something selling in a different category, which brought in a lot less money?

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Maybe they will try again.
Well, the people who were behind Blue and then Neat are up to something... It remains to be seen exactly what, but I know they had several new mic designs just about ready to launch when the issues with Gibson went down. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit the world before too long. They also had a particularly super-creative and interesting idea that hadn't reached fruition yet, I hope that at some point it gets out into the world.



Gibson has had a ton of problems, diversifying was certainly one of them. I'v seen a litany of issues with the guitars too, poor QC, horrible finishes on the less expensive models, Henry J's understandable phobia about using ebony - which led to $5,000 Les Paul Customs having plastic fingerboards and people wanting to buy earlier used guitars (1987 to 1995 are known as "the good wood era").
They went bankrupt and have new owners, that is a culmination of a long, slow decline. Neat got snarled up in the middle of it which is too bad because the provenance of having two of the founders of Blue microphones should have given them a leg up instead of a tail between the legs.

So, I hope Neat does make a comeback and is successful, they deserve it. Gibson deserves to succeed too, they are iconic. I've owned (and mostly sold) quite a few Gibson guitars over the years. I still have an 86 ES335 Studio and a 59-61-ish massively boogered single cut Melody Maker and those are both keepers for certain.


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Henry J's understandable phobia about using ebony - which led to $5,000 Les Paul Customs having plastic fingerboards...


It wasn't plastic, it was Richlite and frankly, in many ways it's way superior to ebony. It doesn't change with climate and temperature, and when you need to refret a Richlite fingerboard, you can do so without destroying or chipping it. It also has a consistent density which is better acoustically, and of course, the materials are sustainable.

The reaction against using Richlite on forums was virulent, to say the least. When experienced luthiers posted their findings about how people had it all wrong and it was superior, they were drowned out by the noise. Ebony is a beautiful wood, no doubt about that. But if I'm going to be playing a guitar for the next several years, I'd prefer a Richlite fingerboard...if I was going to resell it, though, I'd want ebony!

It's like when people asked me "are the 59 re-issues really as good as the originals? Which would you prefer?" I always said I'd want the re-issue, so people assumed that meant I thought it was better...at which point I said "because then I could sell it and buy two of the re-issues, along with dozens of other cool guitars."

Sorry to get off the topic of mics. Note: I am not a paid endorsee of Richlite smile


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Henry J's understandable phobia about using ebony - which led to $5,000 Les Paul Customs having plastic fingerboards...


It wasn't plastic, it was Richlite and frankly, in many ways it's way superior to ebony. It doesn't change with climate and temperature, and when you need to refret a Richlite fingerboard, you can do so without destroying or chipping it. It also has a consistent density which is better acoustically, and of course, the materials are sustainable.

The reaction against using Richlite on forums was virulent, to say the least. When experienced luthiers posted their findings about how people had it all wrong and it was superior, they were drowned out by the noise. Ebony is a beautiful wood, no doubt about that. But if I'm going to be playing a guitar for the next several years, I'd prefer a Richlite fingerboard...if I was going to resell it, though, I'd want ebony!

It's like when people asked me "are the 59 re-issues really as good as the originals? Which would you prefer?" I always said I'd want the re-issue, so people assumed that meant I thought it was better...at which point I said "because then I could sell it and buy two of the re-issues, along with dozens of other cool guitars."

Sorry to get off the topic of mics. Note: I am not a paid endorsee of Richlite smile



Don't worry, I'll get us back on topic after a brief detour. FWIW, I have two Rainsong guitars, an OM-1000 and a WS-3000. They are plastic too. If there is a mic in the room and you strum one of them, it will sound like an Emmylou Harris record. So I am not dissing plastic at all, I own two wonderful plastic guitars. I sold a sweet old Martin D-35 to get the OM and I don't miss it at all.

First up - a definition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plastic
"specifically : any of numerous organic synthetic or processed materials that are mostly thermoplastic or thermosetting polymers of high molecular weight and that can be made into objects, films, or filaments."
The "mostly" could be questioned I suppose, possibly depending on whether weight or volume are used as a definitive measurement. I cannot say that Richlite is plastic-free, that's a given.

https://www.ecosupplycenter.com/brands/richlite/
"Richlite is an FSC® certified product, made from post-consumer recycled paper. Sheets of paper are stacked up and saturated with a phenolic resin, then heat and pressure are applied. The resin then thermosets permanently with zero off-gassing."

You've mentioned one reason why ebony is better than Richlite and that is certainly true - resale value. I've refretted both, no argument there. In a blindfold test you'd have a 50% chance of guessing which was which but truly, no way to actually know. They'll both play and sound more or less the same.

There is another "factor" ( I hesitate to call it a reason but it won't go away ). Gibson is iconic, their vintage instruments are revered. A visit or two to the Les Paul forum will cause one to discover that the completely non-functional plastic binding that is contoured to the ends of the frets is referred to as "nibs" and "nibs" are revered because that's how Gibson made guitars. You will also find that many "cork-sniffers" will only find a one piece Honduras Mahogany neck to be acceptable. Diapers are moistened over these topics. :- D

Put simply, Gibson is stuck because a significant customer base is stuck. They don't want better or different guitars, they want exact copies of stupid, worthless nibs or of lovely ebony fretboards. They won't pay $5,000 for a new Les Paul Custom with a plastic fingerboard and often they are the only segment of the market that could or would buy one. So it is a marketing issue more than a "this is better or just as good" issue.
I am certain many more would have been sold if Gibson had made them with ebony boards (and nibs, which they stopped doing on new non-reissue guitars a few years ago to considerable protest)

To return to mics, it is similar to Neumann reissuing the U47fet, a revered studio mic. Sweetwater wants $4k for one.
Is it the best 4k mic Neumann could possibly make with 30 years of experience since the orginal came out? I doubt it.
But it doesn't matter because it is a great mic, and reportedly an exact duplicate ( studio rats have a cork-sniffer population too!!!) and they will sell all of them.
It will sure look good on a mic list for a studio that is taking clients, that is one of many great reasons to get one. Hard to go wrong with a good product backing good marketing.

See, we are back to mics!!!! Just my opinons for the sake of argument. Cheers, Kuru


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I also got a King Bee on blowout. I like it a lot better than I thought. I used it for my podcast appearance with David Holloway.

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curious why you chose the King Bee over the Beecaster, just to try something new, maybe?

Actually, it is a Beecaster. hider

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Just a quick update.

Over the weekend I put a new studio rack together, with a Furman P-8 PRO C power conditioner and noise eliminator.
Up and running, I tested the Heil PR40 in the same signal chain that I found to be noisy. I put it in the same position. I can't guarantee I used all the same cables in the same place so there are variables.

For all that, EVERYTHING is much quieter now. I don't consider the Heil to have a noise problem when compared to other mics. I still have a noise floor but signal to noise is improved.

I suspect it will improve a bit more when I get to shortening the cable runs. I want to make sure this is a good layout first. So far I like it.

I'll post anything interesting I learn about my mics as I progress. I do want to give a quick and dirty report on the Neat King Bee when it arrives.
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Careful, brother Kuru - next thing you know, you’ll be looking into expensive power cables. shudder duck hugegrin

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Careful, brother Kuru - next thing you know, you’ll be looking into expensive power cables. shudder duck hugegrin

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First I want to line all the walls with lead. :- D

I think I'm good for power now. The Furman is rated for 20 amps. That is absurdly more than I should need. The cord on that is stupid thick.
I shouldn't need to get another one, ever. It looks very solid.

Dressing the cables is more than enough for now. I can keep using the gear if I just do a couple at a time.
There's not a single cord that isn't too long, some of them are WAY too long. Not that many of them, I want to stay simple.
Photos are pre-hookup. Just image a mess of long cables hanging out all over cuz that's what it is right now.

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First I want to line all the walls with lead. :- D


Lead-lined walls will give you some good isolation, but if you want to keep hums and buzzes out, you need to build a Faraday cage. Line the walls with copper screen wire, and be sure to solder all the joints so it's electrically conductive all around. We'll un-solder the door and let you out when you finally get the guitar solo right. wink

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Originally Posted by Mike Rivers
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz

First I want to line all the walls with lead. :- D


Lead-lined walls will give you some good isolation, but if you want to keep hums and buzzes out, you need to build a Faraday cage. Line the walls with copper screen wire, and be sure to solder all the joints so it's electrically conductive all around. We'll un-solder the door and let you out when you finally get the guitar solo right. wink


Thanks, I have improved my idea. 6" walls, lead on the outside, filled with sand and copper sheeting on the inside, soldered at all joints. Military surplus submarine pressure hatch for entry and exit. All installed inside a surplus stainless steel wine tank 30 feet underground in a remote area (you can get these surprisingly cheap).

All my guitar solos are right, the rest of the song may need to be modified to compliment my inspiration!!!!


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce

Actually, it is a Beecaster.


It did sound really good in the podcast. I discussed this with David at the MPN NAMM dinner. thu
(not knowing at the time what mic you had used)


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz

First I want to line all the walls with lead. :- D


Lead-lined walls will give you some good isolation, but if you want to keep hums and buzzes out, you need to build a Faraday cage. Line the walls with copper screen wire, and be sure to solder all the joints so it's electrically conductive all around. We'll un-solder the door and let you out when you finally get the guitar solo right. wink


Thanks, I have improved my idea. 6" walls, lead on the outside, filled with sand and copper sheeting on the inside, soldered at all joints. Military surplus submarine pressure hatch for entry and exit. All installed inside a surplus stainless steel wine tank 30 feet underground in a remote area (you can get these surprisingly cheap).

And we lower your food and water on a rope?


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And we lower your food and water on a rope?


No problem. Amazon delivers it.

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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Metlay

And we lower your food and water on a rope?


No problem. Amazon delivers it.


All my purty music will feed me.
Well, my soul anyway...

If not, I am pre-entombed. :- D


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In other news, tracking shows my Neat King Bee is out for delivery so I can pick it up after 3 today.
Will give it a quick spin and share findings.

Will start learning more about SDC, eventually I'll find a nice pair of those.


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Will start learning more about SDC, eventually I'll find a nice pair of those.


What's your price range? I can make recommendations from quite affordable to oh yeah that's gonna hurt.


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Will start learning more about SDC, eventually I'll find a nice pair of those.


What's your price range? I can make recommendations from quite affordable to oh yeah that's gonna hurt.



Your recommendations would be most welcome!!! 2-3 different ones from low to medium price please, and thank you! :- D

At the same time, I go about things differently than most people.
It seems fair to say I am a scavenger. I am very averse to stolen goods so I like to go to thrift stores because it seems doubtful that criminals would give their loot to Starvation Army so I am comfortable purchasing there.
That said, I shop craigslist too and have found amazing deals from people who were obviously totally on the up and up. Just missed an $80 mid-90's Guild Jumbo on there, being sold by a rich person out on the cliffs - Chuckanut Drive (you have to be rich to live there). I guess they didn't want it anymore...

I got both of my CAD mics (D82 ribbon and E100 (2) condenser) for a straight across trade - a beautiful Turkish baglama saz I found at Value Village for $40. By the time you add in bridges and shipping, I had close to $80 in it. So I got those mics for $40 each, more or less.

2 years ago I bought an ancient flamed koa ukulele at Goodwill for $5. It needed some work. I listed it as-is and accepted an offer - by the time fees were paid etc. I cleared $500.
So if I bought something with that $500 (bills, ugh!) you could say I paid $500 for it but an argument could also be made that I paid $5 for it, no?

I'm gigging a $40 Roland Cube 40gx -Value Village score.

I bought a Gurian guitar at Starvation Army in Fresno for $65 years ago and got $1,300 for it as-is.

I could go on and on. The AT mic I listed above was in the tools at Goodwill for $3.50.

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^^^ Dr. Mike, there is a reply for you directly above ^^^

Neat King Bee condenser mic arrived and I gave it a quick spin.

In the far bedroom, door open, same conditions as the other mics. Fishman Loudbox in the far corner, mic was on the included shock mount with the included clip on pop filter and on the other side of the room facing the open door. This mic has more sensitivity than my other mics, the Gain on the Fishman was set around 8:30, other mics started at 9:30 and went up from there. The mic had a controlled feedback resonance ring in that room with EQ flat. It was midrange - approximately the high E string on a guitar in pitch. Some reviews say it is not cardioid but super or hyper cardioid, that would explain it since the speaker was aiming directly at the back of the mic. Overall, vocal tone from about 6" back was very full and clear.

So, to the studio. Ran straight into the Quantum. Listened with headphones. 6" is close enough to get a full, smooth sounding bottom end. Different than my ribbon but just as nice in it's own way. Mids and highs sounded clear and natural, nothing peaky or dippy of any consequence. The pop filter works very well, gotta love having it right where you want it without any fiddling about!!! At a guess, it should EQ very well. I want to try mixing to a full voice tone and see how it works. I feel like I sound better and I like that.

It is sensitive and picked up an undertow of freeway traffic. It was responsive to improvements, shifting it on it's axis found a quieter angle and holding a 14" piece of 4" thick finger foam in the right location behind the mic took the noise down even more. I was not singing loud at all, I can easily increase the volume. So I turned down the preamp until I couldn't hear the noise and I could get the meter hopping close to zero.
So it will work for me until a semi pops their air brake.

It is very large and heavy. The neck for the capsule is a full 9/16" in diameter and does not look at all dainty. The capsule measures nearly 3" across. If you set it vertical, it will slowly attempt to lean forward in the shock mount. It might partly be the bands slipping a bit. I did tighten the thumbscrew for adjust the angle of the mount more than I usually would want or need to. It will certainly stay put well beyond the time it is in use.

It is every bit as homely and garish as it looks in the photos. Sort of a doomsday milk carton with a hair dryer sticking out of the top. The yellow is very bright, radioactive.
Underneath the silicone bands it is white, which is also ghastly. So I'll just leave it as it is. I'm sure I'll be ignoring the looks in a day or two.

I may be a minority of one but I actually appreciate that they left the HPF and Pad switches off. I've had to clean and/or replace switches on audio gear more than once because it was adversely affecting the sound. I don't recall ever replacing a short length of insulated hookup wire that was properly soldered on both ends. No moving parts, no wear and tear. The Focusrite pre has both those capabilities, redundant failure points are a negative.

I doubt anybody can find a better performing NEW $100 large diaphram condenser mic on the market right now. If you want one it might be time to step up. I have no affiliation but this is bang for the buck.


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Wow, Kuru. I have frequently suspected that I live in the wrong part of the country for really good music finds in pawnshops and thrift stores, but this pretty much confirms it. smile To answer your question...

The most affordable new ones that are worth owning are the LCT 040 MATCH from LEWITT. They're compact, sturdy, clear, easy to set up, go anywhere, and are a real sleeper hit for most places where you'd use an SDC.

I used to recommend the RØDE M5, which is a great mic and costs roughly the same per pair as the LCT 040 MATCH, but is larger and slightly trickier to place in tight spaces. That's not a knock on the M5 or any other SDC out there, which are nearly all this size; it's just that the LCT 040 MATCH is so much smaller! Both of these will run you about $200 per pair, as will the very solid Audio-Technica AT2021.

In the $429/pair range, the RØDE NT5 is a solid, high-quality mic that competes with stuff in the up-to-$1000/pair range (depending on the maker). Nearly everyone is making SDC pairs these days, but RØDE's affordable offerings have been around a while and made a lot of fans.

Really expensive SDCs are wasted on my recording room, which needs a lot of acoustic treatment at the moment. If price were no object and I had a room and a regular gig for them, my dream SDC would be the Josephson Microphones Series Four, which right now consists of only one mic: the C42, a lovingly-crafted and gorgeous SDC mic that's usually sold in matched pairs for about $1000.

The mic that most recording pros consider "the SDC to beat" is the Neumann KM 84, which went off the market in favor of the Neumann KM 184. Pros with golden ears (whatever those are) say that they like the sound of the 84 better than that of the 184; that's why a pair of 184s will run you $1500 and a pair of decent-shape 84s could run as much as $6000.

The only SDCs I own right now aren't made any more and were very expensive when they were being made; I don't use them nearly enough to justify keeping them but I'll be damned if I sell them. smile

Hope this helps.

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Bumping this back up.

I've now tried the CAD Equitek E100 (2) on a guitar amp and it sounded great there. I didn't spend much time positioning, thinking back a couple of feet with the amp turned up would be smoother and fuller.

Tonight I put the Heil PR40 and the CAD D82 on my acoustic guitar. I aimed the Heil at the 12 fret and the CAD just behind the bridge. A great sound with an abundance of clear, smooth low end. No boom or foggy bass.

I've used the Heil on a cello, it was very good there as well. Full sounding and it smoothed out some bow work a bit.

Neat King Bee is excellent for femaie vocals.

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My mic locker:

AEA Ku5a
Cloud 44A
Soundelux U195 x 2
Roswell Mini k47 x 2
Roswell Colares
Roswell Delphos II
Roswell Mini k87
Lauten Torch x 2
Lauten Clarion
Groove Tubes AM62
Shure Beta 58
Shure SM59
Blue Encore 100 x 2
Blue Encore 200
Blue Encore 300
Neat Beecaster

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
My mic locker:

AEA Ku5a
Cloud 44A
Soundelux U195 x 2
Roswell Mini k47 x 2
Roswell Colares
Roswell Delphos II
Roswell Mini k87
Lauten Torch x 2
Lauten Clarion
Groove Tubes AM62
Shure Beta 58
Shure SM59
Blue Encore 100 x 2
Blue Encore 200
Blue Encore 300
Neat Beecaster

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Thanks Dave, you have some NICE mics!!!! I've been checking out the Roswell mics for a while now, they look like incredible bang for the buck. The kits on the micparts site look like fun too. https://microphone-parts.com

Long ago I somehow ended up with a pair of SM59s, I would love to hear one now but I don't remember much about them. I think they were fairly low output and back then that was discouraging. Someobody else has them.

I also owned an Encore 300, the band bought one each - total of 3. It sputtered and crackled a bit, changing cords didn't help. Had to be inadequate phantom power provisions, I went back to my Beta 87a and sold it.

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This week I found a CAD M9 in great condition with the case, power supply, cable, shockmount and standard mount for $130 including shipping and tax.
LDC with a 12AX7 in the ciruit. I've got a nice stash of vintage 12AX7 / ECC83 / 5751 etc. including a Tesla ECC803S which was a copy of the Telefunkenand a premium tube in it's own right.
These came with a Sovtek 12AX&WA, a tube I hated in guitar amps. Will see what's in it now out of curiosity. Very different circuit and application than V1 on a guitar in any case.

It's very low self noise, big smooth bass and clear highs but not "crispy". Sounds great on my voice. A score in my book.

I've also ordered a Neat Beecaster, should be here Monday. I may start live-casting as a motivational project to keep me strumming and singing.

For now I am done buying mics since we are not gigging. Still want a pair of SDC, will go with Dr. Mike's Lewitt recommendation. I have more than enough to play with already.
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my humble mic locker :

Audio Technica AT 2035
Neat Beecaster
Neat King Bee x 2
Shure SM 57 x 2
Shure SM 58 x 2
Shure Beta 58


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
my humble mic locker :

Audio Technica AT 2035
Neat Beecaster
Neat King Bee x 2
Shure SM 57 x 2
Shure SM 58 x 2
Shure Beta 58

Some nice mics, I would like to have a couple of 57s. Have you tried a Cloudlifter on any of those dynamics? It changed the way I feel about all of my dynamics, I like them much better with it.
Just got a Beecaster, not sure it is going to be good for what I want to do. Live stream vocal and acoustic guitar from on mic is the goal. So far I haven't gotten something I like to hear.
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Yes, I own a Cloudlifter. Really makes the SM 57 shine. 2thu

I used the Beecaster last evening during a Zoom gathering, 4 locations remoting in together. Everyone said my audio was great


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
Yes, I own a Cloudlifter. Really makes the SM 57 shine. 2thu

I used the Beecaster last evening during a Zoom gathering, 4 locations remoting in together. Everyone said my audio was great

I think the Beecaster they sent me is defective, I've initiated a return. Up close, a vocal sounded fine, not exceptional but better than acceptable.

Back about 16" and doing the acoustic guitar/vocal thing it sounded very thin with an annoying high mid peak and the guitar sound was "phasey" for want of a better word.
I didn't go very far with testing but it seemed like maybe it was stuck in one of the stereo modes, 2 mics on an acoustic guitar can cause a phase shift if you are fairly close and move much.
The windscreen had a broken internal frame member so maybe it just got tossed around during shipping. Just waiting for them to send a return label now.

I'm thinking about getting one of the Shure XLR to USB widgets and using the mixed DI from my Fishman Loudbox Performer. That will give me a choice of some nice vocal mics, EQ, effects and the ability to mix precisely while keeping things fairly simple.

I expect to have to gain stage it carefully, starting all the way down and just feathering in the gain on the Fishman. Mic level is bound to be lower than DI level.


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They've refunded my money and told me to just keep the Beecaster.


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I am now questioning the USB hub I used. I will try the Beecaster straight into my MacBook Pro and see if that is any better.
Gotta eliminate the variables, I'd like to like the Beecaster.

I did a comparison, played the same song on vocals and guitar with the mic in pretty much the same position - recorded with the Beecaster and with a Rock Band USB mic i got at Goodwill for $3.

Honestly, the Rock Band mic sounded better (should I say "less worse") in that test. That's pretty disappointing.
Up close is a different story, the Beecaster blows the Rock Band mic away for vocals only from about 3"

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Update on my adventure with the Neat Beecaster.

I went into Audio MIDI setup on my Mac and turned up the input volume setting - it was halfway up by default so I went all Spinal Tap on it and cranked it.

It is a big improvement in sound, everything sounds much fuller. I also tried the Focused Stereo setting, will probably go back to Mono for broadcast/recording as it picks up less ambient noise.
A simple fix, as usual I thought of it by not thinkng about it.

Another little thing that makes a big difference.

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Update on my adventure with the Neat Beecaster.

I went into Audio MIDI setup on my Mac and turned up the input volume setting - it was halfway up by default so I went all Spinal Tap on it and cranked it.

It is a big improvement in sound, everything sounds much fuller. I also tried the Focused Stereo setting, will probably go back to Mono for broadcast/recording as it picks up less ambient noise.
A simple fix, as usual I thought of it by not thinkng about it.

Another little thing that makes a big difference.

Cheers, Kuru
Not too surprising. Preamps, even the on-chip ones in something like a Beecaster, have a sweet spot. You just found it. grin


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Update on my adventure with the Neat Beecaster.

I went into Audio MIDI setup on my Mac and turned up the input volume setting - it was halfway up by default so I went all Spinal Tap on it and cranked it.

It is a big improvement in sound, everything sounds much fuller. I also tried the Focused Stereo setting, will probably go back to Mono for broadcast/recording as it picks up less ambient noise.
A simple fix, as usual I thought of it by not thinkng about it.

Another little thing that makes a big difference.

Cheers, Kuru
Not too surprising. Preamps, even the on-chip ones in something like a Beecaster, have a sweet spot. You just found it. grin

Gan staging from back to front has become my standard operating procedure for audio.

It is quite different than dialing in a lead tone on a guitar amp!

It just slipped my mind at first, causing disappointment. I've learned to wait for that "aha!" moment that usually comes a day or two later when I am frustrated. Slow progress is stil progress.


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Here's the mic list for my studio, I own most of these, some are owned by my partner in the studio, and some belong to the live sound company we also run. I've only had the WA47 for a few months, but I am really loving it. About the only thing I might add is a pair of U87-ish LDC's, the Roswells are looking pretty tempting.

Warm Audio WA47 Tube LDC
AKG C-414 EB (1980’s) LDC
AKG C-414 B-TLII (1990’s) LDC
AKG C-3000b (2) LDC
AKG SE 300 B/CK91 (2) SDC
Sennheiser MK4 (2) LDC
Audix SCX25 “lollipop” LDC
CAD Trion 6000 LDC
Shure SM-91(2) boundary mic
Shure SM81 (3) SDC
MXL 1000/Mojave tube conversion LDC

Ribbon Mics:
Shinybox 46MXC
Beyer M260 (2)
Electro Harmonix EH-R1

Dynamic Mics:
Shure SM-7b
EV RE20
Heil PR22 (2)
Heil PR 30 B (2)
Heil PR 28 (3)
Shure Beta 58 (4)
Shure Beta 57 (4)
Shure SM 58 (4)
Shure SM 57 (4)
Shure Beta 52 (2) kick drum mic
Sennheiser E604 (4) clip-on mic
Sennheiser MD421 (2)


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Nice list, New&Improv!

Looks like a versatile selection of mics.

I'm looking at the Roswell mics too and the Mic-Parts kits. Their latest kit is on sale until Friday but I don't think I'll get it together in time. The Roswell mics get great reviews and seem to be bargains.
Thanks for posting, I hope you will single out a mic or two and tell us what it's good for, plus maybe a mic that is great for one thing and really not good for anything else? Cheers, Kuru


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OK, heres a few more in-depth notes about our mic collection. My partner and I have been doing recording and live sound for decades, so this collection is the result of years of buying, selling and trading mics.

The WA-47 I bought on the recommendation of the manager of a studio in Portland that I do freelance sessions at 2-3- times a year. The studio has a very nice '50's Telefunken U47, which would be way out of my price range, and he said they'd had the WA47 in for review, and, while they didn't keep it ultimately, it compared surprisingly well to their U47 and was virtually indistinguishable from their other U47 clones. He said if they hadn't had the other clones already, they would've bought the WA47. I have used it on vocals, on tenor sax, and on grand piano, and it is stellar on those sources.

Our pair of AKG 414's were manufactured about 15 years apart, and are totally different models, but, I use them as a stereo pair often, the 80's 414 just requires a ~3db boost to match the volume. 414's are possibly my favorite condenser, they can sound great on nearly every source.

The Heil mics are all pretty awesome, we picked up a range of their mics from another live sound provider the was retiring, he had been a Heil dealer. The PR 30B's are very similar to the EV RE 20 or Shure SM7, I love them on guitar cabinets and horns. The PR 22's are fantastic vocal mics, I will use them as a live vocal mic over any flavor of an SM58 any day.

If a mic is only really good for one source, I'll tend to not keep it, we are dealing with a range of sources both live and in the studio and need mics that we can rely on to get a decent sound quickly.

If there are any mics on the list above you have questions about, feel free to ask. I love talking about gear!


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Thanks New&improv

I'll share a few of mine. Favorites plus one unknown as of yet.

Neat King Bee. I still am amazed that I was able to buy this mic for $100. I think you can still get one for $129 and that is tempting too. Cardiod only, no HPF or pad switch - in a way it is a one trick pony but it is a GREAT trick! The included snap on pop filter and shock mount are both really good stuff too. Yes, it is really heavy and butt ugly to a mud fence but it truly sounds exceptional. I told a good friend about it, he bought one - tested it and immediately bought 3 more. AKG 414 is his favorite mic, just for reference.

Heil PR40. One popped up on craigslist for $180 in vg + condition. I grabbed it. Hard to describe, truly an outstanding dynamic mic. The bottom end is huge, smooth and clear.
I've read great things about the other Heil mics, someday. Mr. Heil rows his own boat but he has a great lake.

AKG D224. The folks who purchased the local music shop and were blowing out the random accumulations simply had no idea what this was. I saw no reason to inform them, it's mine now. Dual diaphragm dynamic mic, looks like a slightly bigger SDC but it is something else entirely. VERY quiet, smooth frequency response, a Cloudlifter works wonders on this. Between this and the Heil, I could do fine without a condenser mic.

Shure KSM8. Yeah, I sort of have a thing for dynamic mics - if they are the good ones. This is excellent in all respects, it just sounds good. Proximity and off axis responses are exceptionally well controlled.

Mics that may only be good for one thing.

Azden SGM 1X shotgun mic. Thrift store find - $14. This is a quality build, made in Japan. One AAA battery charges the capsule. It has an on/off switch and a HPF. The shock mount is designed to fit a camera hot shoe. The windscreen is a good 7" long and the mic is 12"+. It is voiced for mids and highs, must be used with some distance as it will overload easily. Somehow it makes things sound "claustrophobic" and tiny in an uncomfortable way. It spends most of it's life in the nice zippered storage bag that came with it. I don't like it, that is what I like about it.

Heil Sound HM-10. Another thrift store find. I think I paid more for the 5 pin XLR connector I got so I could hook it up. Haven't done it yet. It is a Ham Radio mic, looks like a black SM58 with a pushbuttion switch and a toggle switch. Under the screw-on metal mesh protecter are two rectangular capsules, one has a much smaller entry hole than the other. Here is the latest version of this mic: https://heilsound.com/products/hm-10xd/
I expect it to have it's own special and annoying tone and look forward to that affliction as well.

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Recently I added another mic, a CAD M9 cardiod LDC tube mic. I keep an eye out for eBay "victim listings" - you want to follow items that end at "unpopular times" (NEVER on Sunday lol) and have minor problems.
As always, only sellers who have great feedback, describe things well and include photos.

This was the complete kit as originally sold, with a nice case, 7 pin mic cable, tube power supply with AC power cord, shock mount with elastic suspension. Except, it was missing one of the small screws used to secure the cover over the tube. That set me back 15 cents and tax at our local hardware store.

The M9 also has good reviews, particularly Sound on Sound spoke well of it. Add in that I have a nice stash of vintage 12AX7 tubes and I hovered.
Delivered for $130.

It is a good microphone, very good. It probably won't put the whup on the best of the best but it is as good in my opinion as the Rode NTK I used to own and paid a great deal more for.

Working on a deal for an Audix Fireball V, new in the box. We'll see how that goes. A dynaminc mic with a good frequency response chart is always useful and this one can handle high spl plus it's small. Could be a good snare or guitar amp mic and maybe I'll get into Beat Box!!!!!


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When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing). Does anyone here have an opinion on the Aston line? (I'm a cheapskate, except for keyboards, in which I am a mid-skate.)

PS I am at the "dipping my toes into the hobby" level, using Reaper, an XR-18, Windows, and a bunch of instruments.

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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing). Does anyone here have an opinion on the Aston line? (I'm a cheapskate, except for keyboards, in which I am a mid-skate.)

PS I am at the "dipping my toes into the hobby" level, using Reaper, an XR-18, Windows, and a bunch of instruments.

I've not used an Aston Origin, they get good reviews.

Honestly, in the $100 (plus a little) range, the best bang for the buck is probabaly the Neat King Bee. I have one, it is an excellent microphone and a ridiculous bargain at $129.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/King-Bee-Large-diaphragm-Condenser-Microphone/174096195035?epid=22033898296&hash=item2888f11ddb:g:4uwAAOSwnWFelgTH
I don't have a Neat Worker Bee but I would like to get one. They are currently $89, also absurd.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Worker-Bee-Medium-diaphragm-Condenser-Microphone/401958880118?epid=1945434922&hash=item5d969dc376:g:MnMAAOSwu1delgTc

Here is a Tape Op review and test from back when they were introduced and priced at $349 - King Bee and $199 - Worker Bee. The reviewer thought they were a great deal at those prices.
https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/117/king-bee-worker-bee-condenser-mics/

Get one of each and you can do all sorts of great things - still less than the Aston mic. Cheers, Kuru


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Missed this thread the first time around...

I have three mics currently. I'm much more of a live musician than a recording engineer, and that reflects in the mics I guess, as well as my perspective and usage. Since we're only listing XLR mics, I'll leave out the Blue Snowball, oddball old 1/4" or 1/8" cheap mics, etc that are around.

Audio-Technica AT-2035
https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/cebb57a269d232ee/index.html
This guy is my only condenser. I bought it to record vocals with, but I've found it to be a very good "general purpose" mic. Nothing sounds bad with it. I've recorded male vocals, accordion, Native American Flute, hand percussion, upright piano, voiceovers, and acoustic guitar with it and I would say it's fairly flat. Has handy pad and low-cut switches (which are inset pretty far in the casing as AT told me they're intended to be switched occasionally with a tool). A fingernail works fine after you get used to it. Costs about USD 150 on average new. No complaints. It's my recommendation for a mic under $200 for vocals and general purpose use. Love it, I'll probably buy a second for stereo when they go on sale.

Carvin CM67
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/395304/Carvin-Cm67.html
Now, Carvin seems to have made a number of mics with the "CM67" designation. It's quite difficult to find the one I actually have online. It's the one that seems to be known as the "CM67 Professional Mic". I actually got this guy with an Atlas mic stand on the local radio classifieds. I bought it for the stand, as I needed a nice heavy-duty stand. I was pleasantly surprised to find that it's not bad at all as a live vocal mic. I wouldn't say it's anything special, but it's built well and very roadworthy. I've found it suits my voice well and has good off-axis rejection for when I'm singing and playing the acoustic grand at my church. I use it particularly during cold and flu season to avoid sharing mics with the other worship teams that rotate through. It has a nice lack of frequency boosts unlike an SM57, so I also use it to mic the treble side of my accordion when I'm doing a lot of musette/double-triple middle reed playing (an SM57 accentuates all the wrong frequencies and sounds horrible and ear-piercing). Overall, it's not excessively bright. It's almost rather dull/slightly muffled, but it's sturdy and does the job for me. Really, a pleasant live mic that I wouldn't hesitate to buy again. Especially for accordion and my voice. Much better than the SM57 for accordion by FAR.

Shure SM57

https://www.shure.com/en-US/products/microphones/sm57
Workhorse dynamic. Mine needs a lot of gain compared to some other '57s I've used at venues so that might be an issue mine has. But it's decent overall. For acoustic instruments I rate it below the two above mics, but it's because I don't like the mid-high frequency bump on my instruments. It was my only mic for years of performing though and it served me well. Not a whole lot to say...it's a solid general mic and respected for a reason. Really not bad as a vocal mic for quick recordings with a pop filter. Some EQ helps a lot. Zero feedback issues live, even compared to some other dynamics (like cheaper Sennheisers lol).


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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing). Does anyone here have an opinion on the Aston line? (I'm a cheapskate, except for keyboards, in which I am a mid-skate.)

PS I am at the "dipping my toes into the hobby" level, using Reaper, an XR-18, Windows, and a bunch of instruments.

Tom, I have no opinion on the Astons, as I've never even seen one, but generally speaking Audio-Technica makes good mics at that price point. The AT-2020 is pretty good and popular. I would personally recommend the next model up, the AT-2035; it's a noticeable step up for $50 more than the 2020. Good on everything, literally. Apparently it was known as the 3035 for a long time, but Audio-Techinica discontinued the 3000 series and made the 3035 into the 2025, with Chinese components rather than Japanese. Or so YouTube tells me.


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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing). Does anyone here have an opinion on the Aston line? (I'm a cheapskate, except for keyboards, in which I am a mid-skate.)
I have never seen a $100 condenser mic that I would want to use. You would probably be better served getting a Cloudlifter for a dynamic mic you probably already own.

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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing). Does anyone here have an opinion on the Aston line? (I'm a cheapskate, except for keyboards, in which I am a mid-skate.)
I have never seen a $100 condenser mic that I would want to use. You would probably be better served getting a Cloudlifter for a dynamic mic you probably already own.

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I mostly agree but the Neat King Bee was well reviewed and considered worthy at it's $349 price point and now it is $129. I have one, it is an excellent mic. Ask Craig Anderton, he has one too. Or my friend Roger, who bought one and then bought 3 more, he's been recording for decades, has owned all sorts of good mics (sold me a Shure KSM 44) and loves the King Bee.

It is an opportunity but it won't last. I have no affiliation with Neat and they are out of business anyway.

I do agree that EVERY studio needs at least one Cloudlifter. I told my friend Roger about mine and he now has the 4 unit model and uses it all the time. It will transform any dynamic mid - moving coil or ribbon.


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Meanwhile, I've been testing all of my mics in my new mic booth and isolation booth and will soon post a list of results.
My testing techniques may not be completely scientifical but they are fairly consistent and real world.

I've got 4 more tests to run and some evaluation of the recordings before posting.

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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing).

OK, so you asked about spending $100, and got an answer for spending $300. There are many good options at $300.

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You would probably be better served getting a Cloudlifter for a dynamic mic you probably already own.

Shure SM 57 and a Cloudlifter CL-1 and you are golden. cool


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
Originally Posted by Tom Williams
When I asked "what should my first $100 condenser be?", a friend (local recording pro) strongly recommend spending a little more on the Aston Origin (around $300 at this writing).

OK, so you asked about spending $100, and got an answer for spending $300. There are many good options at $300.

Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
You would probably be better served getting a Cloudlifter for a dynamic mic you probably already own.

Shure SM 57 and a Cloudlifter CL-1 and you are golden. cool


Just noting that an SM57 is $100 and a Cloudlifter CL-1 is $150 so that's $250, not $100. Certainly a useful rig.
You could buy a King Bee and a Worker Bee for under $250.


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Just noting that an SM57 is $100 and a Cloudlifter CL-1 is $150 so that's $250, not $100.

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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Just noting that an SM57 is $100 and a Cloudlifter CL-1 is $150 so that's $250, not $100.

thanks for the math lesson wink

Was more a "how did we get this thread moved to Gearslutz?" kind of comment to be honest. Not a math lesson at all.
Tom wants to know about a specific condensor mic and mentioned $100 mics.

Never tried an Aston Origin so I steered him towards 2 very nice condensor mics in the $100 price range.

It's been pretty much off the rails off the rails after that. Hoping we can bring it back around. Cheers, Kuru


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The previously-mentioned Audio-Technica AT-2035 is $150.


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Originally Posted by Mighty Motif Max
The previously-mentioned Audio-Technica AT-2035 is $150.


Yes, and it is a good choice.

Neat was founded by Skipper Wise, who also founded Blue Microphones. Neat was part of the Gibson group of companies.
The King Bee was designed to out-compete the $350 market, it includes a quality shock mount and a snap-on pop filter.
It is brutally ugly. When Gibson started unraveling they dropped Neat.

Neat bought back their mics and resold them. Sweetwater has the King Bee for $129 with free shipping. There is a limited supply.
Truly, we can't get a better mic for that money right now. I've got one, I've had a Shure KSM44 and KSM27 and a Rode NTK. The King Bee compares favorably with the KSM44 but lacks the multi-pattern (cardioid only), the pad and the HPF.
Bang for the buck it is impossible to beat for a new cardiod LDC, at least until they are gone.


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First of all, my apologies if I have hijacked the thread. I probably should have started a new one. Moderators are welcome to excise and move this to a separate thread if it serves the user base better; that won't hurt my feelings.

Second, I am sincerely grateful to you all for taking the time to advise me.

I'm blessed / cursed with good, knowledgeable advisors (both local and online) all of whom know more about this stuff than I. And with varying opinions. So far I have been given great reasons to consider (new or used) the Aston Origin, the King Bee, the Roswell Mini k47, and Cloud Lifter. BTW, and I shoulda mentioned this up front, my main expected usage distribution is vocals (80%) and hand percussion (20%).
To steal from ST TOS: Neumann, coordinate! pop

Anyway, I think I will have chosen within one more day.


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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
First of all, my apologies if I have hijacked the thread. I probably should have started a new one. Moderators are welcome to excise and move this to a separate thread if it serves the user base better; that won't hurt my feelings.

Second, I am sincerely grateful to you all for taking the time to advise me.

I'm blessed / cursed with good, knowledgeable advisors (both local and online) all of whom know more about this stuff than I. And with varying opinions. So far I have been given great reasons to consider (new or used) the Aston Origin, the King Bee, the Roswell Mini k47, and Cloud Lifter. BTW, and I shoulda mentioned this up front, my main expected usage distribution is vocals (80%) and hand percussion (20%).
To steal from ST TOS: Neumann, coordinate! pop

Anyway, I think I will have chosen within one more day.

Tom, this thread is exactly for the sort of post you made, no reason to apologize. What happened is just a blip, it's not the usual MPN we all know and love and I don't see a trend. This is a great place to meet new people and share knowledge.
One thing to bear in mind - you will want a shock mount and for vocals a pop filter. Lots of mics come with the shock mount. The King Bee comes with a snap on pop filter, it works well and is not obtrusive or cumbersome at all.
So all you would need is a mic stand, a cable and 48v coming out of your interface - if it says Phantom power instead of 48+ you are golden.

Any mic that is good for vocals should do well for hand percussion.

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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
.Hoping we can bring it back around. Cheers, Kuru
I'll let you have the last word. Cheers


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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One thing to bear in mind - you will want a shock mount and for vocals a pop filter. Lots of mics come with the shock mount. The King Bee comes with a snap on pop filter, it works well and is not obtrusive or cumbersome at all.
So all you would need is a mic stand, a cable and 48v coming out of your interface - if it says Phantom power instead of 48+ you are golden.

Any mic that is good for vocals should do well for hand percussion.

I use this guy by sE Electronics as my pop filter. Works fantastically and doesn’t muffle your sound like some of the mesh ones might. Pop filters are good to have if you’re recording woodwinds too, or anything where there is air coming out in the direction of the mic.


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Originally Posted by Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
One thing to bear in mind - you will want a shock mount and for vocals a pop filter. Lots of mics come with the shock mount. The King Bee comes with a snap on pop filter, it works well and is not obtrusive or cumbersome at all.
So all you would need is a mic stand, a cable and 48v coming out of your interface - if it says Phantom power instead of 48+ you are golden.

Any mic that is good for vocals should do well for hand percussion.

I use this guy by sE Electronics as my pop filter. Works fantastically and doesn’t muffle your sound like some of the mesh ones might. Pop filters are good to have if you’re recording woodwinds too, or anything where there is air coming out in the direction of the mic.

I have this one, it is excellent. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ThePop--blue-microphones-the-pop

I have a couple of these, they used to be much cheaper. They are pretty crap build quality but the clip-on aspect is nice and they do work well. I've got one on a CAD D-82 ribbon and it makes a big difference. Still need to angle the mic a bit or get way back. Plosives really pop on a ribbon. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-Mesh-Microphone-Mic-Pop-Filter-Windscreen-Wind-Screen-Studio-Accessories/143629449706?epid=8035736013&hash=item2170fb79ea:g:jLYAAOSw0t5e4uZv

I couldn't find a link but I have a couple of cheap ones designed for end address mics. If the mic is small enough, I'd almost rather just use a foam windscreen and get close.
I've got a Heil PR-40 and a Peavey 520i, both are fairly large diameter, it's better to just use the Blue for those.

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Over the last few days I have set up all of my mics (except the Azden shotgun mic) in my homemade "mic booth" and isolation box. There is a thread on that topic here - http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/3046069/diy-vocal-booth-iso-box#Post3046069

I've tested the mics, one at a time, singing one of my songs and recording them all on the same project. All documented to the extent that made sense to me. I kept track of the distance from the mic and whether or not I used a pop filter or windscreen. I now have a much better idea of what I could or could not do with these mics. I've listed my impressions below. You will see a couple of mics repeat into different categories, I did double test just a few of them and one test was usually better than the other so I noted that. I have a select few that I feel like I got the best results on vocals. Some more testing will be needed for distance and this time with pop filters on all of them unless they really didn't need it.

Note that the distances are fairly accurate but estimates based on the different mounts and whether a mic was side address or front address.
I moved the mic stand to the different holes in the isolation box based on the type of mic and my experience regarding output etc.
At a certain point I realized I could get a reasonable gain setting by clapping my hands loudly sitting in my studio chair and matching the meter using that. Primitive by actual standardized testing procedures.
Be different if I had that sort of equipment. Sometimes good enough is good enough.

When I refer to a mic as "One of the best", it means "One of the best I OWN, for what I want to do." Gimme a buncha money and I'll get way better mics!!!!! laugh
Worth experimenting further means I feel like I can use these mics but probably not for my primary lead vocal mic. I already know the EV PL95 is great on guitar amps, for one.
Not a contender? Some of these are from testing a mic one way that might be good for another. I am not sure that any mic is truly completely useless for everything...

I hope any of this means something to at least a few of you!!!! Cheers, Kuru

Mic Test Notes
All mics set up in mic booth and isolation box. Far mic stand hole 14” from front edge of box.
Close mic stand hole 8” from front edge of box.

Neat King Bee w Clip-on Pop Filter. Mouth to mic 14” LDC Cardiod
Voice sounds natural, full and clear. Plosives and sibilance almost inaudible. One of the best, probably the best.

Heil PR40. No screen. Mic to mouth 6”. LD Dynamic Cardioid
Slight noise. Voice full, natural and clear. Some sibilance. One of the best. Certainly my best sounding dynamic mic.

Peavey 520i. No screen. Mic to mouth 6”. Dynamic Cardioid
Voice natural, full and clear. Bass not overemphasized. Moderate plosives, some sibilance. One of the best, a surprise.

Sennheiser MD-421 – older. No filter. 5 way tone switch set to B (no roll off). Mouth to mic 10”. Moving coil Dynamic. Cardioid
Slight noise. Voice sounds natural, mids focused, full. Plosives controlled – probably the bar in front of grille. Slight sibilance. One of the best and another surprise.

CAD M9. Slip on pop filter. Mouth to mic 7”. MDC tube mic.Cardioid
Some noise. Vocals sound good, bass is not forward or boomy, slight mid peak – might stand out in a mix, clear. Slight sibilance. One of the best.

CAD Equitek E-100 (2) No HPF. Mouth to mic 8.5” MDC Super Cardioid
Strap-on Pop Filter. Voice sounds natural, full, clear, a bit bright. Plosives well controlled, sibilance slight. Better than farther back and HPF. Worth experimenting further.

AKG D224E Foam windscreen. Mic to mouth 3”. Dual Diaphragm Dynamic. Cardioid
Voice sounds a bit hyped in the mids, clear. Plosives well controlled, mid forward – annoying resonance on some notes, slight sibilance. Worth experimenting further.

Shure KSM 8. No screen. Mic to mouth 9” Dual Diaphragm Dynamic (one passive) Cardioid
Voice natural, full and clear. Slight plosives, some sibilance. Worth experimenting further.

CAD D-82. Slip-on pop filter. Mic to mouth 9” Mic head angled to reduce plosives. Ribbon Figure 8
Some noise. Voice sounds natural, full, not as bright as most. Slight plosives, very slight sibilance. Worth experimenting further.

Electro-Voice PL95. No screen. Mouth to mic 6” Dynamic Cardioid
Low noise. Low output. Voice sounds natural, mids are lower, highs are clear. Could be a good choice for backups or female vocals. Plosives are too sensitive, sibilance is slight. Worth experimenting further.

Audix OM2. No screen. Mouth to mic 6” Dynamic. Hyoercardioid
Some noise. Vocals sound clear, good for backups? Plosives and sibilance moderate. Worth experimenting.

Shure Beta 87A. No screen Mouth to mic 6” SDC. Supercardioid
Low noise. A bit “peaky” in the upper mids, full and clear. Plosives and sibilance – needs a pop filter.
Another possible for backups, worth experimenting.

Audio Technica conference table mic. I tried this at 14” and 8”. SDC Omnidirectional.
Some noise, picks up everything. Closer reduces noise somewhat but increases “honk”. This mic sounds “smooth” back at 14”. Omni mics don't respond the same as other patterns, proximity effect is reduced considerably and all angles sound more or less the same. Good if you are feeling it and like to move around. I work with somebody who will like this one for that reason. Worth experimenting.

CAD Equitek E-100 (2) HPF. Strap-on Pop Filter. Mouth to mic 14.5” MDC Super Cardioid
Voice sounds natural, clear, a bit bright. Plosives well controlled, sibilance slight. Not a contender.

AKG D224E No filter. Mic to mouth 8”. Dual Diaphragm Dynamic. Cardioid
Some noise. Voice sounds natural, clear. Plosives well controlled, mid forward, slight sibilance. Not a contender

Audio Technica MB4000C. No screen. Mouth to mic 6”. SDC Cardioid
Noisy. Not much below 100hz. Voice sounds clear but thinner, not very bright. Plosives are moderate, sibilance is moderate. Not a contender.


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I'll be referring back to this for some time, I think. Many thanks, Kuru!

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I've been scanning and sometimes reading the threads in the George Massenberg forum near the bottom of the MPN forum page. I've started at the earliest thread and have worked my way backwards to page 214.
There was a discussion regarding mic testing there that I found extremely interesting. Fletcher from Mercenary Audio had much to say on the topic and it brings both clarity and a sense of individuality to mic testing.

Upon reading, it may seem futile to bother testing but Fletcher really isn't saying that at all. My interpretation is that he is saying we all need to do our own testing in our own spaces with our own mics and do it in a way that seems to make sense for what we are trying to accomplish.

That made me feel better about my fairly "sloppy" and non-scientific methods and observations. It should make ALL OF YOU feel better about that too. As Fletcher points out, there are simply far too many variables to draw any real world conclusions regarding which mic is "better." Personally, I am trying to find out which mic will give me results without having to try and "fix" anything. I have issues with external noise, some of you don't. I've chosen to toss up a home-made mic booth and an isolation box, some of you won't want (or need) to do that either. I tested quite a few mics without using pop filters or foam windscreens, that was intentional. The mics with less tendency to exhibit plosives or sibilance. will respond well to adding a pop filter. In the past, I got a vocal sound that I liked by putting a foam windscreen on a Shure Beta 87a and singing very close to it. That might not work for you.

This thread is not about "What is the best mic?", not even close. I spent more on my Shure KSM8 than any other mic I own and it was around $400 for a used one at that time. Some of you will want to spend less, others will have a bigger budget. I have a good friend who bought one mic, an AKG 414B ULS. I haven't tried her mic but she is happy with it. I've been in studios with AKG 414s a few times and didn't think they matched the singer's voice all that well - could be THAT singer in THAT room on THAT day and nothing mroe.

Bottom line, I am just hoping that nobody is intimidated at all, I'd love to see more of you chime in with what you have and what you like or dislike about it. Cheers, Kuru.


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FWIW, I'll have the BLUE Bottle on the 3D Mic CD. Along with a 251, Soundelux 251, Lawson 251, C-12, U-87, U-67, and about 20 other vocal mics.


Hey Lynn...how about instead of 20 mics and one singer...why don't you try 1 mic and 20 singers. Something tells me that would open a whole lot of people's eyes to how microphones will couple differently with different voices, in different applications.

Maybe...the singer(s) should sing over different backing tracks...so you can get a feel of how different singers sound with the same mic in relation to different 'contextual applications'. The 'acapella' thing is all well and good...but I don't do 'acapella'...I do rock and roll, so 'acapella' stuff is a little out of context to my reality...I guess I could send you down some backing tracks...have the singer(s) sing over that so I can get a good/solid idea of what each mic sounds like with a singer I've never met on a track with which I am intimately familiar.

Lynn, there is nothing personal here, but having done these "shoot-out" things...I
can honestly say I find them at best misleading, no matter how noble the intention.

Hey, I understand that these CD's are good 'earners'...we made a pretty tidy sum with the 'Boston Pre-Party' nonsense...however, the more we profited from them, the worse I felt. Having been at the 'actual event', I knew the CD paled in comparison. Having done enough sessions, I knew that none of what was on that disk was relevant to any other session...ever.

That said...seeing as this "shoot-out" will become a method for people to begin their 'vocal mic from the heavens' quest and we all know that particular microphone is on the same shelf with the 'holy grail' and Jimmy Hoffa.

Are you planning on using 1 mic-pre? If so, which one? Why that one? Won't the way that pre 'couples' with the microphone have a profound effect on the tone of that microphone? Will you use several different mic-amps? If so, how will they be determined?

I can tell you right now, from direct experience that a mic as lowly as a Shure SM-57 sounds radiaclly different with a GML 8200 and a Pendulum MDP-1...both of which sound remarkably different than the new Great River MP-2NV, which sounds different still from an ill maintained 1073...[oops, back to the original shootout now aren't we...sorry].

How will you match levels? Will you do it with a single tone? With Pink Noise? With White Noise? If you use a single tone, at what frequency? Will you take into account a microphones measured frequency response when making this level determination, or will you use a 'metered' level which does not take the
microphone's "characteristics" into account?
As we all know...loudest one wins, so in order to be "fair" you're going to have to work out a pretty precise method for 'level matching'...if you do the measurement with 'white noise', then the overall frequency response of the mic will certainly come into play...if you do it at 1kHz...then the position in the room [unless you've hired an anechoic chamber for the afternoon] comes into play...if you do it with 'pink noise', it's unstable/random nature will make the levels at best a "guestimate". So...where does that leave this test?

How about microphone positioning? Will you try each of the microphones in half a dozen different positions? Will you try to find where each mic sounds "best" with the singer(s) or will there be one 'generic' position? If so, how will that 'generic position' be determined? And how will it be determined that all microphones will be placed in the *exact* same relation to the 'singer(s)?

What if a microphone doesn't sound best in that position with that singer? Will you move the microphone so it will relate to the singer(s) voice? If you do, how will you level match the 'repositioned' microphone. Who will make the determination as to what position sounds best with the voice...and how will we know if we agree with their opinion?

What about the 'character of the room', which in my experience, has profound effect on the tone of a vocal/the interaction of that vocal with the other sounds in the song.

Sorry if you feel like I'm breaking your balls...I guess, in a way, I am. My apprehension to these things are that they a get taken as a 'gospel' truth, when frankly, there are no 'gospel truths' when it comes to microphone selection and placement.

I found the 'Soundelux advertisement' that claimed their product to be the winner of some 'mic shoot-out in Vegas' *very* offensive, and overall, I quite like Soundelux's products.

Sorry if I'm a little preachy on this...but the 'power' these things hold is immense. While they're a fun, interesting, and educational exercise for the people *directly* involved, my experience tells me that these things are at best, misleading, and at worse, a fallacy.

Your mileage may vary.


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In the original spirit of this thread:
  • Electro-Voice N/D 267a
  • Roswell Audio Mini-K47


Several folks have invited me to share my total-newbie experience with the Mini-K47, so here goes. Be warned, it may be the equivalent of a city kid who just got his learner's driving permit being asked to evaluate a Ford F-150.

The Mini-K47 (which I will subsequently just call "the Mini"), as purchased came with a foam-lined hard case, a small fuzzy bag, and a shock mount. I separately purchased a $10 generic pop filter from Amazon.

I used a Behringer XR-18 as a preamp / USB interface, and Reaper (on a Windows 10 laptop) as the sound engine. The sample rate was 48 KHz, but my hearing tops out around 12 KHz. The only other serious microphone I have at home is the above-listed EV. I have used it (and its predecessor, the ND257) happily for years / decades for sound reinforcement. My first test was done simply by talking into both mics, mounted very near each other.

One more caveat: this maiden voyage was done while my wife was in the adjacent room noisily cooking, and on the second full day of my very active grandchildren visiting.

On to the first impressions, then.

Once I got the preamp gain where I wanted it -- peaking on Reaper at around -18 dB -- my first test was to thump my fingers on the microphone stand. I know it seems funny, but I have never had a shock mount before, and wanted to see what it does. I was duly impressed -- it easily absorbed thumps that would have overshadowed speech signals without the shock mount.

Then I compared Mini by itself, with Mini and Pop Filter. The Mini alone was quite good, with a little noticeable sibilance and a bit of annoying plosives when I spoke directly into it at a distance of about 1" (3 cm). Put in the pop filter at about 3" distance, and put my mouth another inch beyond the pop filter, and the plosives went away; sibilance was reduced but not gone. When I removed the pop filter and maintained the same mouth distance, high frequencies were not noticeably affected -- great for a $10 accessory! -- but the plosives returned, pretty much as we would expect.

Next was to A/B the Mini with my known quantity, the EV. I mounted them very close together, with the pop filter 2-3 inches in front of them both. The Mini had more solid low mids (say, 100-300 Hz) and did not have the midrange (maybe 2-3 KHz) peak, as compared to the EV. If I had to assign a word to the Mini's sound at this point in my experience, it would be "Smooth."

When there's no background music, I like the Mini's treatment of my voice -- a sort of adolescent baritone timbre that is often mistaken for an answering machine. I think the Mini makes me sound more substantial and meaty than the EV.

My next test -- hopefully with less ambient activity in the house -- will likely be an overhead treatment of congas and a djembe.

Oh, and I it's not clear: I am enjoying the Mini very much.

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Re: Mics you / I own, what's good?
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Thanks Tom and well done!!!! I'm sure you'll get lots of good use out of the Mini K47.

It's taken some time for me to learn a few "tricks" regarding a more sensitive mic like your Roswell compared to the vocal mics you and I got used to by gigging.

They are very different, the EV favors you getting in tight and working the proximity effect (getting bassier as you get closer). We don't need to get as close to a condenser mic.
Another way to reduce plosives is to angle the mic slightly. It should sound great if you are just a bit off axis and that prevents the blasts of air from hitting the diaphragm all at the same time.

The tried and true "pencil trick" does work and in fact one of my mics - Sennheiser 421 - has a built in "pencil trick". See photo. I found it very good with plosives without a pop filter.

I've also learned (slowly) to soften my S and P pronounciations. Cheers, Kuru

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Re: Mics you / I own, what's good?
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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
OK, so you asked about spending $100, and got an answer for spending $300. There are many good options at $300.

and you ended up spending $350.00 plus a pop filter plus tax smile idk


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
OK, so you asked about spending $100, and got an answer for spending $300. There are many good options at $300.

and you ended up spending $350.00 plus a pop filter plus tax smile idk

Humans are uncontrollable, musicians are worse!! laugh

Nice mic though...


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
and you ended up spending $350.00 plus a pop filter plus tax smile idk
A very reasonable point! You're right to ask, since the original question was "What should I buy on a $100 budget?"

The answer is no -- with help from a friend-of-a-friend I was able to get it for a substantial discount. Since such bargains are one-offs -- who knows whom, was there a clearance, did I get my buddy Guido to hold a local music retailer at gunpoint, etc. -- I don't feel it's right to give more detail on that.

The pop filter was about $10.


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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
Originally Posted by davedoerfler
and you ended up spending $350.00 plus a pop filter plus tax smile idk
A very reasonable point! You're right to ask, since the original question was "What should I buy on a $100 budget?"

The answer is no -- with help from a friend-of-a-friend I was able to get it for a substantial discount. Since such bargains are one-offs -- who knows whom, was there a clearance, did I get my buddy Guido to hold a local music retailer at gunpoint, etc. -- I don't feel it's right to give more detail on that.

The pop filter was about $10.

I haven't told any of my stories as to how I have some of the mics I have. People might not believe them anyway. Almost everything I have is used though.
Still, when I bought the King Bee new it was $108 with tax - free shipping. That is an absurd price for what the mic is.
And yes, I found an Audio Technica MB4000C in a rack full of tools at Goodwill, covered in tape goo for $3.50. It cleaned up nice, works perfectly. Nobody will ever find another one in the same place again.

Secrets come and go but that K-47 will serve you very well for a long time!!!!! Cheers, Kuru


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Re: Mics you / I own, what's good?
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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
with help from a friend-of-a-friend I was able to get it for a substantial discount.

sounds suspicious. laugh


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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