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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3026957 01/31/20 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Larryz
OK, a couple of little design flaws to point out having to do with the cabinet. Nothing to really worry about though:

1. When plugging in the elbow foot switch cord, the cabinet can get in the way. If you are not using the xlr-out, you can angle the elbow jack in front and block it. When using the xlr-out you can angle the elbow jack to the other side in a little corner space. Or, you can buy a new 1/4'' cord with a straight end or solder one on. No biggie as it works fine as is. Fender could also have cut the cabinet and left a little space so the cord would plug in easier and hang down.

2. back to the xlr out. It works fine plugging in the mic cord. The problem is unplugging it LOL! The release lock is very close to the top of the cabinet and it's hard to get a finger or thumb in there to push the release so you can pull it out easily. Fender could have turned the output upside down or to one side so that the release could be easily worked. If your FOH sound guys have fat thumbs, they will complain LOL! No big deal as skinny thumbs with a little sideways practice does the trick. You could also push on it with a stick or the flat side of a needle nose...

3. There is a hard to find USB Port plug under the chassis...if you didn't have a manual, you would never know it's there or where to look. Once you locate it, you could mark the location it by using a black marker pen...

That's it for complaints (and I'm really not complaining).

The xlr power adjustment and the 3 mic settings all are working fine. I don't hear a lot of difference on my little test using my amp/pa but on a big system or when recording, those with better ears probably will. Even though the mute switch is on for the amp speaker and the mic setting is on off, the cord is still live so you will want to shut off the amp before disconnecting from a live PA or have the soundman mute your channel. I have no buzz with my equipment all hooked up, so I could not tell if the ground lift was doing anything, but I suspect it will work fine if a buzz problem should come up some day.

Anyway, that's my update... cool



Always good to hear the real world downside, thanks Larryz!!! I have fat thumbs so I might find that difficult with the XLR.

I LOVE being able to run direct AND sound good!!!! Both my Katana and my Envoy do it. I have a Whirlwind IMP2 di box that I use, one of the clubs we play has a wall mounted concealed "snake" back to the sound board and it is XLR inputs only so I have to use it there. I have a feeling (have not tested this( that the transformer in the passive DI is smoothing the tone a bit. Someday I'll A/B the line out into something clear and real like my Fishman Loudbox Performer and find out. Cheers, Kuru


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3027025 02/01/20 04:07 AM
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@ Kuru, it definitely sounds good coming out of the xlr, with or without turning the speaker off. thu


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3027055 02/01/20 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Larryz
@ Kuru, it definitely sounds good coming out of the xlr, with or without turning the speaker off. thu


I love that. You don't need a mic or stand and it isn't going to get moved by accident and start sounding weird.
Zero bleed too, the fewer mics you can have on stage the better it will sound, especially the low frequencies.


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
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Sound advice Kuru! yeahthat


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3033415 03/15/20 03:54 AM
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<Bump> This thread has about 1,589 views even though it was located on page 2. I'm guessing there may be a few more people out there that didn't catch it the 1st time around so I'll bump it just one time...

I'm still loving the amp. It pretty much stays on the 1watt setting in my bedroom/music room setting and being played nice and clean. It's well worth watching the video comparisons on YT IMHO as it gets great reviews and stands up quite well to the original tube amp. Fender definitely has a SS amp hit on their hands. cool

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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3033482 03/15/20 04:29 PM
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Our local Guitar Center is on the small side, we don't have one of these in yet.
I want to try it even though it is more than I am willing to spend anymore on an amp.

And we are now on the verge of losing gigs to Covid19 fears (which I feel are justified).

So I'll keep playing what I already own for now, if/when I get the work. I'm afraid some clubs will close and then fail when they re-open. They are between a rock and a hard place right now! Ugh.

Your number 2 about the XLR is sort of a pet peeve of mine. Often they are stubborn. At least they could put the jack on the bottom of the amp so the plug doesn't stick out. Then you could plug in a pigtail and just leave it there.

My Katana has a 1/4 line out jack on the back so I use a direct box. It is easy to unplug and the DI is small and light so no complaints there.
When I am done at the gig I want to GO, not struggle with getting things unplugged!!!


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3033521 03/15/20 09:19 PM
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They are a bit pricey but worth it. Hopefully the price will come down within a year and some used ones will start coming out. They knocked about $200 off the price on a new one (floor model but not plugged in before I got there LOL!) I got lucky...

on #2 you can unplug the xlr easily with just a little practice. Come under the cab at a 45 degree angle and use your index finger. I may have overemphasized the problem a little. But I stand by my comments if a soundman or roadie comes to unplug it for you. So when you get done, just unplug and throw it in the bottom or in a gear bag. The original tube versions had a similar issue by have the foot switch hard wired to the amp instead of using a jack cord. You always had to roll up the foot switch cord and throw he switch and cord in the bottom of the amp. The Tone master has 1/4" jacks at the amp and at the switch. My suggestion on the xlr mic input jack would be to turn it so that the release lever on the plug is at 9:00 3:00 or 6:00 instead of 12:00 right under the cab...

Hope you get a few gigs lined up and the clubs stay in business after the virus situation gets back under control... cool


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
Larryz #3034036 03/19/20 12:26 AM
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Sounds like a great amp. about to turn 77 so no new amps for me. If I was in the market I would definitely give this a look.

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I have long thought the weakness of the entire modeling amp thing was the bewildering amount of amp and speaker cab models the back into them. Sure, it's sounds like fun to be able to call up a bunch of cool amp sims, but it seems to me that a jack of all trades is a master of none. Limiting it to just one model simply has to make the one they include more detailed and realistic-sounding. And you don't have to dink around forever, trying out this or that amp model with that cab model, and twisting knobs/cycling menus to make it sound right.
Somebody finally figured out that most of us got into playing guitar to play guitar, not learn how to program a gadget to sound almost as good as a real tube amp. Props to Fender for that!


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My ‘gig rig’ is supposedly now a modeler setup. But the music business has shut down here. I like real amps better but the Helix works well with modern PA and IEMs and I’m a utility guy who already transports a ton of gear.

Playing at home I’ve went anti-tech. I’m playing a lot at home since I’m not gigging. 80% of it of a Martin steel string then the rest of it on a Córdoba nylon, Gold Tone Banjo and my square neck Dobro.


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
picker #3034845 03/24/20 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by picker
I have long thought the weakness of the entire modeling amp thing was the bewildering amount of amp and speaker cab models the back into them. Sure, it's sounds like fun to be able to call up a bunch of cool amp sims, but it seems to me that a jack of all trades is a master of none. Limiting it to just one model simply has to make the one they include more detailed and realistic-sounding. And you don't have to dink around forever, trying out this or that amp model with that cab model, and twisting knobs/cycling menus to make it sound right.
Somebody finally figured out that most of us got into playing guitar to play guitar, not learn how to program a gadget to sound almost as good as a real tube amp. Props to Fender for that!

I agree that many amps have become too complex to easily navigate. I also dislike complex pedal boards, hundreds of presets, etc. Line 6 comes to mind but there are others.
I haven't played to new Fenders yet but I look forward to giving them a spin.

My personal experience is that the Boss Katana series has gotten it right, especially the 100 watt models that can use their 6 button footswitch and have different power options including silent stage.
It would be a poor choice for the computer-phobic but that is not me, the programming interface is really easy to use.

My needs are simple, a "clean" setting with just enough grit so I can "dig in" and get a bit of grind/sing and a mid-gain setting for solo work. I like having a modulation option or delay. Reverb stays on, enough to give everything some ambience, not over the top.

I've found running the amp at 1/2 watt and turning the Master Volume up to between 11-1 o'clock does sound a lot lke a small tube amp turned up until it "sweetens". That is the only adjustment I make with the knobs at any gig. Small places get 11, outdoors gets 1, easy.

There are 2 banks of 4 presets available (I have the original Katana, not sure about the Mk II).
I have the first bank programmed and really just use presets 1 and 3 for gigging.

Preset 1 is a Tweed Fender-ish tone. When I select the preset and then click the button to the far right of the footswitch, the switch system becomes a small, simple pedalboard. The first switch gives me my clean/dirty option, the second switch gives me a bit of chorus. That is where things stay most of the time, simple and all the options I need to sound good at a gig.

Preset 3 is more of a Marshall-ish tone. A different clean and dirty and I have delay instead of chorus. The first button is clean/dirty, second switches the delay on/off and the third button is Tap Tempo. I use preset 3 for 2-3 songs per gig.

The simulated speaker out sounds very close to the speaker mounted in the amp, even through PA speakers. That works for me, what I hear on stage is more or less what the audience hears.

Easy hookup and teardown, I am happy gigging with this. Everything I need and nothing I don't.

Still wanna try the Fender though, that is an iconic tone!!!!


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Re: Fender Tone Master Deluxe Reverb
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Originally Posted by picker
I have long thought the weakness of the entire modeling amp thing was the bewildering amount of amp and speaker cab models the back into them. Sure, it's sounds like fun to be able to call up a bunch of cool amp sims, but it seems to me that a jack of all trades is a master of none. Limiting it to just one model simply has to make the one they include more detailed and realistic-sounding. And you don't have to dink around forever, trying out this or that amp model with that cab model, and twisting knobs/cycling menus to make it sound right.
Somebody finally figured out that most of us got into playing guitar to play guitar, not learn how to program a gadget to sound almost as good as a real tube amp. Props to Fender for that!
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