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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: 16251] #3024340 01/18/20 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 16251
A more perfect RD-88 would be one that has the old FP4 action and a sample-based acoustic piano sound.

The MIDI functionality at least makes it easy to add/integrate a piano from an iPad or whatever (unlike on the other boards you mention, PX-S3000/FP30/ES110 where it may be more important that you're happy with all its own sounds), but there's nothing you can do about the action. Yeah, the FP4 (and FP2) action was pretty nicely playable, even if not feeling so much like a real piano.


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Has anyone commented on the PHA4 action that it has? Interestingly, I bought a P-125 for my mother-in-law at Christmas after trying the P-125 and P-45 at GC. Even though they both have the same action, the P-125 had a much better feel - it seemed much more playable. It was then that I suspected there are different ways to implement the same key action.


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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: Coker] #3024348 01/18/20 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Coker
Interestingly, I bought a P-125 for my mother-in-law at Christmas after trying the P-125 and P-45 at GC. Even though they both have the same action, the P-125 had a much better feel - it seemed much more playable. It was then that I suspected there are different ways to implement the same key action.

Yes, at this point I think there are too many reports to ignore, the GHS varies a lot, as does the Korg NH (and RH3, though that may be more a matter of whether or not it has aftertouch, I'm not sure). With the Korg NH, I've noticed differences even from one Kross 88 to another, so at least in that case, I don't think it's inherent to which board its in, rather I think there are different runs that vary slightly (perhaps coming from different manufacturing facilities?). With GHS, I've definitely noticed differences between models, though I don't know if I've ever come across two of the same model that feel different. In the case of all of these, I've found some that I felt I could be reasonably happy with and ones that I really didn't like.


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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: AnotherScott] #3024350 01/18/20 01:30 PM
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Anotherscott, I hear you. I was ready to pull the trigger on a MODX8 after sitting down playing AP for an hour at GC, feeling good about its action and desirous of reasonable organs and some other sounds for layering. BUT I started feeling a little squeamish about it, remembering the bad impression of its action by some bloggers, and just then the RD88 announcement appeared. Then predictive complaints about its action started. Sheesh! And to think that I lived with a Kurzweil PC88 for so many years with its less than stellar action.

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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: Jinkings] #3024382 01/18/20 04:38 PM
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I suspect the trend towards more heavy and sluggish actions is that the lighter ones are less sturdy and come back under warranty far more often. That's expensive for the maker and the dealer. This supports my other theory that they are making actions for rocker players to pound on.
The shorter pivot is also a trend in the wrong direction, imo. This new Yamaha looks to have a short pivot in the photos I have seen.


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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: Jinkings] #3024389 01/18/20 05:29 PM
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RD-2000. Heavy and sluggish on the return. It’s fine for chording/comping, ballads, rhythmic stuff. Tiring for soloing and notier rep like classical and jazz. It’s also a big heavy and deep case.

I think our own community has driven the developers to more compact and lighter. The weekend, semi pro and pro players keep talking about shaving weight and width for the car. So, smart to put the wheels up top. But personally, I’m not interested in shaving depth for convenience because it shortens pivot point and ruins the feel of a hammer swing for piano like timing and dynamic control. And, it creates a dead spot by the fall board.

The RD-88 has peaked my interested. But I notice it’s shallow - which is concerning. If it doesn’t play like a typical PH4 because they buggered the pivot point it’s a pass.


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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: Jinkings] #3024390 01/18/20 05:36 PM
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I've realized it takes me more than 15 minutes of playing to fully realize how much work weighted digital piano actions can be. I've fooled myself for over it for years.


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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: Jinkings] #3024401 01/18/20 06:26 PM
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Was back in the GC just now - CP88. Plays like a dream. Nice swing of the hammer feel, fast return for restrike.
The RH3 on the Kronos 8 is decent. GHS on the MODX has shorter feeling drop, not as swingy but not dead spot at the fall board.


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Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: Jinkings] #3024482 01/19/20 04:37 AM
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So, that $1200 RD-88 gets 3000+ Zen Core sounds. Color me interested.

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Getting a closer look at it - I do notice they’ve shaved the length by placing wheels up, great. But it also looks like they shaved depth - I hope that doesn’t mean messing with the pivot point of the PH4. Dave seems to have had a hot minute with it at NAMM and isn’t complaining about the feel - it’s noisy there so one might not notice a dead spot by the fall board. Can’t wait to play this one for myself in a local shop.


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But those wheels seem a bit of an afterthought, as if they’re added onto the board.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
But those wheels seem a bit of an afterthought, as if they’re added onto the board.


I’m not sure about that - because the concept or sell here is the visual feedback from MainStage with a better quality PH4 action. So it’s meant to be a controller - and it needs at the least Pitch and Mod if it isn’t going to have extensive pedal inputs.


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Indeed, I meant that they seem to have been added on top, as it doesn’t look very integrated.

Re: Roland RD-88 [Re: 16251] #3024498 01/19/20 05:44 AM
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Dave, BTW, when I was at trying out piano, I took time to play a SK7 Shigeru Kawai. This is one of most beautiful pianos I've ever played. Would be on short list if I was wealthy. Just exquisite!


Just a real quick ot- I played the SK-5 and the Concert size SK-EX in the Kawai room. Both were very nice, especially the 9'er, and if set up properly, they'd be even more cool ! And it was great to be in a room without electronics to be able to hear ...unlike Yamaha. cry

I was trying to explain to my two friends I went to the show with about how the Yamaha SX-7 is different from other Yamahas , in that it's handmade and shares some of the Bosendorfer qualities. My one friend who is also a pianist, more of a rock guy , sat down and started playing. I swear, because of the extreme noise, it would've been hard to distinguish between that SX-7 and a decent quality digital piano. facepalm

It was hopeless, he got up after about 20 seconds, shrugged his shoulders indicating you couldn't hear sh*t. We all agreed at that point, let's get the F out of here. wink

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
But it also looks like they shaved depth - I hope that doesn’t mean messing with the pivot point of the PH4.

If they changed the pivot point, it means they changed the length of the key, and I'd be surprised if they used the same nomenclature for keys that are that physically different.


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
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But it also looks like they shaved depth - I hope that doesn’t mean messing with the pivot point of the PH4.

If they changed the pivot point, it means they changed the length of the key, and I'd be surprised if they used the same nomenclature for keys that are that physically different.


Will have to try it at the shop. Hoping PH4 means PH4 in Roland land.


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Also wondering if the RD-88 has particle board underneath. The old RD pianos did, not sure about the newer ones (or the FA 08 for that matter).

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I don't believe the FA-08 has particle board underneath (my old DS-88 had a plastic base). The RD-88 is lighter than those two boards so I imagine it would have a plastic base too.


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Originally Posted by Coker
Has anyone commented on the PHA4 action that it has? Interestingly, I bought a P-125 for my mother-in-law at Christmas after trying the P-125 and P-45 at GC. Even though they both have the same action, the P-125 had a much better feel - it seemed much more playable. It was then that I suspected there are different ways to implement the same key action.


I would agree this is the case- I am quite pleased with my P-125 as a whole as a portable unit- although not a Kawai action or even Casio in some instances- the mix of dynamics, speaker sound and clearness made the P-125 my choice over the ES110.

In terms of the RD-88 to me it seems in some aspects slightly overpriced- granted it is 29 pounds but for $300 more one can get a P515. However does the RD-88 have 4 speakers? The Yamaha has 4 and it makes a difference (even at 7w x 2 channels it is decent in a room )

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Originally Posted by The Piano Man
This year, I am making a real effort just to enjoy the gear I’ve already got. More playing. Less Buying!


I'm trying to do that over time- in my opinion as the decades go on improvements and upgrades can be more and more subtle.

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Originally Posted by kayriss
I don't believe the FA-08 has particle board underneath (my old DS-88 had a plastic base). The RD-88 is lighter than those two boards so I imagine it would have a plastic base too.

Yes! Thanks @kayriss.

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When the latest Casios came out, the GC store I went to heard the Roland FP 30

I thought the FP 30 was miles ahead of the Casio as far as the acoustic piano sample was concerned, The " plunk" in the Casio mid range has always been a huge turnoff for me

I took the FP 30 home and found I liked it even more when I adjusted the touch setting so that the overtones wouldn't trigger too soon.

Is the RD 88 using the same keybed as the FP30?

Also, did anyone test the RD 88 at NAMM?

BTW, no one can hear anything at NAMM so smuggle some headphones in if want to hear a particular instrument.

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Originally Posted by LarsHarner
In terms of the RD-88 to me it seems in some aspects slightly overpriced- granted it is 29 pounds but for $300 more one can get a P515.

Well, that's still 25% more. But really, the boards are quite different. The Yamaha may have the edge as a pure piano, but the Roland is in another league as a MIDI controller, with its definable knobs, pitch and mod wheels, Mainstage integration.


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P-515 is good for its keyboard action and voices like pianos, rhodes, wurly, church organ. But it doesn't have any pitch bend, modulation, dedicated expression pedal input, no sliders/knobs for zone volumes, even registrations are absent without external app! It's portable digital piano, but it's hard to find any "stageness" of it. It's the most "stage" because of it is a slab.


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The Rd 88 has definitely got me curious.

It will probably be awhile before they hit the shops but... the weight and price are certainly attractive.

I have not been wild about recent Roland Rhodes samples however, although I can imagine that the RD 2000 has pretty good Rhodes. Hopefully this transfers over to the RD88.

It also must have organs. Although I guess everyone's idea of ideal organ sounds is completely different.

I could live with just a good acoustic sample and good EP's. I have come to not expect more than that.

The P 515 is not my idea of a good gigging board. 29 pound is more like it.

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Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


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I'm very interested in the rd as a controller for my computer setup, and Bonus that is has its own sounds and speakers!

But I listen to the demos of the rotary with the organ sounds and I just wonder, how does it even get into production with that sound?!! I know its not supposed to be a clone, but I cant imagine using that rotary sound, EVER! In a pinch, i'd just leave off the rotary effect and live with slow or stopped! People have said it before, but come on this is 2020!!! Forget flying cars, i'd just like manufacturers to actually listen to a real rotary speaker and get 70% there!! Its like they've never actually heard the real thing!!

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