Jinkings Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Looks good[video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinkings Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel 3 parts Audio over USB Wheels on the top 13,5 kg (29 pounds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The weight is right. Wheels on top for compactness. But external PSU - common in this weight bracket. Regards, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I was waiting for when they will release a new affordable RD after the pricey 800 and the even priceyer 2000. This might be just the thing for our church band. I still find the EPs lifeless though. Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickzjamm Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I'm hope they'll be a better demo of this. Quote You don't know you're in the dark until you're in the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Beaumont Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Who demos a stage piano with clear shots of him using mainstage? I also noted it has what looks like speaker grills. Quote Boards: Kurzweil SP-6, Roland FA-08, VR-09, DeepMind 12 Modules: Korg Radias, Roland D-05, Bk7-m & Sonic Cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkost2002 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 It DOES look good. Not a big fan of Roland APianos (sound-wise, but I do like the Roland actions)but it might be a good casual (restaurant and other low profile) gig board IF the price is right ($999) or less. $1199 street and 29 lbs? Hmmm.... Quote "I have constantly tried to deliver only products which withstand the closest scrutiny � products which prove themselves superior in every respect.� Robert Bosch, 1919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Mike Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The Roland website shows the MainStage integration as intentional and by design. Also, wasn't there just a thread here praising the PHA-4 action? Speakers are 6W each, and look tiny by the photos. Not sure how useful they'll be for anything but personal practice. I like the more compact form factor and the lighter weight. I wonder how customizable the SN pianos are. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Beaumont Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The Roland website shows the MainStage integration as intentional and by design Okay good for a controller, but what are you hearing in the video? There are 3 posibilites, a virtual instrument, the piano processed by a plugin or just the instrument. I'm commenting on the demo, I'm sure it is a fine board. But you don't really know by that video. Quote Boards: Kurzweil SP-6, Roland FA-08, VR-09, DeepMind 12 Modules: Korg Radias, Roland D-05, Bk7-m & Sonic Cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I applaud efforts to put quality sounds and weighted action in more portable streamlined packages, but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. The dream lives on. I can see why the PHA4 action might lead someone choose this over the sub-30 lb competition. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 PHA-4 Concert Keyboard: with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel is on the RD-800. I prefer it to the PHA-50 Keyboard: Wood and Plastic Hybrid Structure, with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel (88 keys) on the RD-2000. I think Roland is all in on their V-Piano modeling. I believe they use it across the digital piano line now. - home models and the flagship stage piano. This RD-88 is an interesting development as a controller - perhaps for some more so than the A-88 they just released. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkost2002 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I applaud efforts to put quality sounds and weighted action in more portable streamlined packages, but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. The dream lives on. I can see why the PHA4 action might lead someone choose this over the sub-30 lb competition. Even though it"s 400 more than the Casio px3000, I"d take this over the Casio any day Better keyboard Better interface Better controller only downside is 8lbs heavier, but I"ll take heavier weight for better features Quote "I have constantly tried to deliver only products which withstand the closest scrutiny � products which prove themselves superior in every respect.� Robert Bosch, 1919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I applaud efforts to put quality sounds and weighted action in more portable streamlined packages, but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. The dream lives on. I can see why the PHA4 action might lead someone choose this over the sub-30 lb competition. Even though it"s 400 more than the Casio px3000, I"d take this over the Casio any day Better keyboard Better interface Better controller only downside is 8lbs heavier, but I"ll take heavier weight for better features I"m interested in this one, too. I like the Bluetooth connectivity, plus what appears to be lighter action. SuperNatural tweaking to both AP and EP. Not a lot of photos yet, nothing on Sweetwater (and they usually are right on it), no user manual yet. Rush entry to NAMM? Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Street Price $1,199.99 - this is a problem for some competitors for sure. Sound GeneratorZEN-Core SuperNATURAL Piano SuperNATURAL E.PianoParts3 partsTonesScene: 400 Tone: Over 3,000EffectsZone Multi-effects: 3 systems, 90 types Zone EQ: 3 systems Zone Tone Color: 3 systems Scene Multi-effects (IFX): 90 types Sympathetic Resonance Chorus/Delay: 8 types Reverb: 6 types Master Compressor Master EQ Input Reverb Input EQOther FunctionsFavorite Rhythm Pattern Song Player MIDI Master Keyboard DAW ControlOTHER SECTIONControllersAssignable Wheel x 2 Assignable Control knob x 8 Master Volume knob Damper Pedal Assignable Pedal x 2Rated Power Output6 W x 2SpeakersFull Range 12 cm x 2 Tweeter 2 cm x 2DisplayGraphic LCD 128 x 64 dotsExternal Storage DeviceUSB flash driveConnectorsPHONES jack: stereo 1/4-inch phone type OUTPUT jacks (L/MONO, R): 1/4-inch phone type MIC INPUT jack: 1/4-inch phone type LINE INPUT Jack: Stereo miniature phone type Pedal (DAMPER, FC1, FC2) jacks: TRS phone type MIDI OUT jack USB MEMORY port USB COMPUTER port (supports USB MIDI/AUDIO) DC IN jackPower SupplyDC 12 V: AC adaptorCurrent Draw1,500 mAAccessoriesOwner's manual Leaflet "USING THE UNIT SAFELY" AC adaptor Power cord Pedal SwitchOptions (sold separately)Stand (KS-12, KS-10Z) Pedal (DP-2, DP-10, EV-5, RPU-3) Carrying Bag: (CB-88RL, CB-76RL) Headphones USB Flash drive (*)SIZE AND WEIGHTDimensions1,284 (W) x 258 (D) x 159 (H) mm 50-9/16 (W) x 10-3/16 (D) x 6-5/16 (H) inchesWeight13.5 kg / 29 lbs 13 oz (excluding AC adaptor) Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I'm glad to see a real button interface, a move away from either scrolling or using the piano keys as controls, as has gotten so common on the lightweight slabs. And 5-pin MIDI. (But only Out?) Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 MIDI OUT only is weird. But 3 parts is better than 2. Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiliClayder Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 nothing on Sweetwater (and they usually are right on it) There you go https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RD88--roland-rd-88-88-key-stage-piano Quote A long time ago, in a musical galaxy far, far away... Eminent-Solina B412, Yamaha DX21, Yamaha V50, Yamaha U1 21st century... Kawai CA58, Korg Liano, Arturia Minilab 3, Arturia Minilab MkII, Arturia Minifreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkfloydcramer Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 MIDI OUT only is weird. But 3 parts is better than 2.[/quote My RD-64 also has MIDI out only, also. Hopefully the RD-88 will allow you to use an expression pedal for onboard sounds, something you can't do on the RD-64. But overall, an updated, 88 key version of the RD-64 appeals to me because I really like my 64, I just seem to connect with it- and definitely have NEVER been a Roland fanboy. Have thought about asking here which Roland 88 is most like the RD-64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konaboy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 uninformative video but loving the concept. roland are listening - wheels above the keys! Quote hang out with me at woody piano shack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Huh! Maybe a worthy eventual successor to my FP-4. Also, sorry, but... not only are the wheels above the keys, but they're *wheels*. How often do they stray from the paddle? Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I dig it, at the price point it"s gonna be hard to say no to. I prefer 88"s without the paddle, just a few inches less makes all the difference loading it into the car. Now, about the friggin" wall wart... Quote gear list.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Piano Man Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 A successor to RD300nx in something close to the FP30 shell. Pretty sure this is the first 'RD' with built in speakers. I honestly think they should have gone with an internal power supply though, since RD is the pro line. Sure, it would add a few lbs (and a few £) but I could have lived with that. I just have no interest in having to carry external power supplies. I know it doesn"t bother some people but it"s a dealbreaker for me. Quote Kurzweil PC3x Technics SX-P50 Korg X3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konaboy Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 a chap at roland told me that the JD-Xi was the game changer for Roland, their first synth with mini-keys, their first synth with pitch and mod wheels and the first synth (in decades)with an analogue sound engine. Quote hang out with me at woody piano shack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 nothing on Sweetwater (and they usually are right on it) There you go https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RD88--roland-rd-88-88-key-stage-piano Thankya, thankya vurreemuch. I wonder how much actual SuperNatural editing is possible? I was able to tweak out many inherent Roland AP cheese, and EP artifacts, even with the RD700. The RD64 had no sound shaping capabilities. Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dongna Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I honestly think they should have gone with an internal power supply though, since RD is the pro line. Sure, it would add a few lbs (and a few £) but I could have lived with that. I just have no interest in having to carry external power supplies. I know it doesn"t bother some people but it"s a dealbreaker for me. Seems they could have swapped the internal speakers (anyone here really need/want those?) for an internal power supply. But I get that the external power supply makes it easier to bring to market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aellison62 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 OK, I was looking for an RD-800 but maybe this will work well enough and give me what I am looking for, but I agree, that video is really not very helpful (to put it mildly) Quote Kurzweil Forte 7, Mojo 61, Yamaha P-125, Kronos X61, Nautilus 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Rush entry to NAMM? Would explain the video for sure, seems like it was maybe shot in the last day or two for some quick pre-NAMM facetime. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinkings Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Apparently will be possible to load sounds from other Zen Core keyboards like Fantom and Jupiter X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Apparently will be possible to load sounds from other Zen Core keyboards like Fantom and Jupiter X ^^^This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 ..., but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. [ Precisely 76er A-C w/ oct. up/down buttons & momentary ft.-sw. control ! The dream lives on. yep ! A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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