Bobadohshe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 A lot of people really hated VIII, whereas it was far and away my favorite Star Wars film since the original trilogy. It's because it built its whole narrative around change, evolution, and destruction, and tried to take the Star Wars universe to a new place. RoS very deliberately walked all of that back, and I thought that was not only a missed opportunity, but a cowardly storytelling decision....... I thought Rise of Skywalker, on the other hand, was a lot of cameos and callbacks. Not what I had hoped for after a film that was so committed to reinventing the series for a modern time, and opening the franchise up to new ideas. More concerned with "look, this is Star Wars, can't you tell?" than truly developing the arcs of the characters and ideas the first two films had introduced. Stilted dialogue and pacing issues aside, it seemed much more concerned with being full of things that everyone found inoffensive than trying to tell a story. After a week or so of reflection, this is where I come out now too. Quote Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 It's been almost two weeks since I've seen the movie and I'm still not settled on how I feel about it. Technically (special effects, etc.), I find little to complain about. Musically, I cannot recall a single riff from Williams' score, but at least part of that is the way it was mixed--the music wasn't as prominent as it was in, say, IV (which I've just rewatched), where the music is so far forward in the soundtrack as to almost warrant being a walking, talking character in its own right. In IX, it's below everything else. The acting's good. It's the plot/direction that divides me. I am not fully aligned with either the critics or the audiences, which seem to be at odds this time. Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 They lost me at Jar Jar. Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 A lot of people really hated VIII, whereas it was far and away my favorite Star Wars film since the original trilogy. It's because it built its whole narrative around change, evolution, and destruction, and tried to take the Star Wars universe to a new place. RoS very deliberately walked all of that back, and I thought that was not only a missed opportunity, but a cowardly storytelling decision. I ended up watching it again over the holidays with my son, and these are my feelings too. The most cowardly (and hack) scene was right after the confrontation. I mean really... Rey had just witnessed the man she loves save her life and then die in her arms and all we get is a standard Star Wars victory celebration - with Rey smiling along with the rest of the resistance? A scene of true sadness, reflection, growth... those are tough to write (and apparently out of JJ's grasp) but would have made all the difference in the world as to how this movie (and trilogy) ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The acting's good. It's the plot/direction that divides me.As one of the New York Times critics pointed out, watching Daisy Ridley and especially Adam Driver flex their acting muscles to try to sell you on the story in a convincing way is one of the joys of the film, and a testament to their chops. Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed A. Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 They lost me at Jar Jar. They lost me at Ewoks. Return of the Jedi started to get too cutesy for my taste, and anything after that I didn't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Interest at least to me a talk about Star Wars music and reification. The current film wasn't out at the time this was done. [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polkahero Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Finally saw it today. So how did the Emperor survive from Return of the Jedi and where's he been the past 30 years? Quote '57 Hammond B-3, '60 Hammond A100, Leslie 251, Leslie 330, Leslie 770, Leslie 145, Hammond PR-40 Trek II UC-1A Alesis QSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Finally saw it today. So how did the Emperor survive from Return of the Jedi and where's he been the past 30 years? [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The movie made other characters sacrifice for nothing and Kathleen Kennedy should have never been allowed near it. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On a positive note, I have high hopes for DV's Dune, which has wrapped shooting. Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 The movie made other characters sacrifice for nothing and Kathleen Kennedy should have never been allowed near it. If there was any planning to the trilogy as a whole (which is debatable) it was to kill off Han, Luke, and Leia one by one so the series could move on with new characters. Each got their own death scenes in successive movies to draw this out as much as possible. Adam Driver could not have survived because he's made it clear that he wants no part of future Star Wars projects, and hopes people will forget he even did the role. Fat chance of that... this is Star Wars after all. Anyway I think a lot of this was baked in the cake. Rise of Skywalker has been dubbed cinema's first "billion dollar disappointment". It's not earning where it was projected, and I've read serious questions about whether Kathleen Kennedy will be heading Lucasfilm for much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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