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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3015650 11/11/19 07:42 PM
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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3015652 11/11/19 07:46 PM
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I don't agree but I still like it :woot:

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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Adan] #3020487 12/22/19 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Adan
Now I see what they’re talking about. Playing a black note repeatedly, quickly, at maximum velocity, volume drops a little for the successive notes. I would have assumed that’s intentional, trying to replicate the limits of return of s real mechanism, but I don’t notice the same effect for white keys.

For me, this would make no possible difference in real playing. To hear this “bug”, I have to use a technique I’d never use while making music.


I wonder if the boards featuring the GHS key action also have this "bug" as CP73's BHS action. Could CP73 owners check this on boards like P-125/121, MODX8, YDP-143/144, DGX660?


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Outkaster] #3020521 12/22/19 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Outkaster
Playing a 73 note keyboard is like not being 21 and old enough to drink legally.


I'd say it's subjective and depends on your playing style, or the adaptability of your playing style.

For me, playing an 88 is like going on a date where the girl's mother comes along with you.

I now have a P121 as my office keyboard. It's great. Smaller footprint perfect for the space. I won't be back in my office until next year, but I'll see if I can notice the black key issue then.

Just to reprise my assessment -- CP88 much better for piano technique. CP73 better for rhodes/wurly/clav. Rapid repeated notes go more with certain piano styles. If you play those styles, you should be getting the 88 regardless of any black key issue.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3020531 12/22/19 11:07 PM
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“ For me, playing an 88 is like going on a date where the girl's mother comes along with you.”


smile

This is both funny and ridiculous. It’s the driver, not the car.
You’ve made it to second base wether you go in gang busters from the front or skillfully remove the proverbial garment blind around the back. wink

As has been proven over and over again - we can play on anything. mini keys, skinny keys, slow actions, fast actions, weighted - semi weighted - tight and springy - loosie goosie. It’s all preference, simply what you like and what you’ve become accustomed to - and adaptation is always possible. In fact, if you’re married long enough she might appreciate a change in style now and again.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Adan] #3020533 12/22/19 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Adan
CP organs are not as good as those on MODX.

The question is not why would you buy the CP for organ. The question is, are the CP organs good enough to get you through even a very low priority gig where you'd prefer to bring only the CP to minimize shlep. For me, the answer is no.


and that's the deal breaker for so many.

Yamaha went hard at the tonewheel for the Genos, and it's the best tonewheel yamaha I've seen. They even designed the drawbar shape after the Hammonds just for it.

There is no excuse in 2019 for the CP not to have a great drawbar organ, except that the design team is in a bubble--or maybe just the team leader. It's like, not only does the ModX not have polyAT, a 30 year old feature, it does not have any AT. WTF, Y!

I found both the CP and ModX attractive, with lots of great stuff, but these issues drop my jaw, and take them out of consideration.

The top of the line products are also fraught with strange "cheapness": the montage can't play as expressively with some of the latest sounds as the Genos, I read, but the Genos lacks the audio interface of the Montage, so audio tracks can be isolated easily going out to a DAW.

I am still very attracted to the Genos as home jammer and chop maker. For sound design Yamaha makes my head hurt, but the Montage's ability to take samples fast is pretty impressive.



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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3020537 12/23/19 12:01 AM
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I see your point, but I am thinking out loud and don't get me wrong:
Yamaha CP was always the stage piano series, first electric, then analog and digital. The are actually making a wider range of sounds available nowadays but then main purpose is the piano.
Also P series is for the home, or very limited live purpose.
MODX is like the medium synth category. A lot more than the MX but not the do-it-all machine, that's what the price is related to.
So you got the Montage, everything is top notch in here.
1. Why don't you buy Montage?
2. Why Yamaha release Montage if CP does it all?
All brands have series, check Nord. Electro, Piano, Stage. Why won't you compare Nord Piano with CP and say that the CP is more flexible and also has some organ sounds?
Also check prices and get back with an alternative of CP in the same category and price range which does more that the CP in most of the aspects...

And another thing. If BHS in the CP73 is the same as the one in the Montage 88, I can't figure out what's wrong. Maybe Velocity curve's settings? I didn't here something similar for Mintage action.

Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3020554 12/23/19 02:14 AM
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Just thinking....
Yamaha is always careful with their IP - they don’t put everything in one board at any price.

The Genos has their best attempt at organ - it also has their best quality 76 key semi-weight synth action and 9 faders. Yamaha believes the arranger features place its value at $6k.

The Montage comes in 61, 76, and 88 keys. All actions are in their better quality category. It doesn’t have the Genos organ, and they gave it only 8 faders. It does have arguably their most capable FM synth engine ever. But no AN engine. $2-$4k.

The MODX is a trickle down Montage - price and weight for gigs. Removed 4 faders and dropped to their lesser quality actions (other cuts in capability as well). $1.4 -1.9k.

Yamaha CP88 only comes in 88k and 73. This line is traditionally focused on pianos. This model has no faders and is not offered in a synth action, organ is not a priority. Sound engine is AWM2 only which Yamaha believes is their best tech for reproducing acoustic and electric pianos. The 88 has one of their best quality actions at $2.5k. At $2k it’s a little smaller a little lighter but a lesser action.

Point I’m trying to make is.... Yamaha is very conscious of what we do and don’t get from them and the price point. Even the unicorn of Yamaha keyboards (the EX) had VL, AN, AWM and no FM.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3020555 12/23/19 02:16 AM
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Can anyone comment on the flexibility of the CP88's MIDI functions for utilizing multiple voices at once?

For instance -- wondering if I MIDIed my Mojo dual up to the CP88, if I could use the Mojo's upper manual to control a clav or a pad from the CP88, and if I could play a different sound on the CP88 itself simultaneously. For example, if I was playing Peg by Steely Dan, I can imagine a scenario where I want to play the CP88 Rhodes with my right hand, and the CP88 clav from the Mojo with my left. I know I could set up a split on the CP88 itself, but for argument's sake, let's say I was hell-bent on doing it this way!

I realize this is sort of specific to my idiosyncratic needs, but I thought it was worth a poke of the thread before I spent too long trying to figure it out from the manual, which just covers the basic send/receive info.


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RE the CP73/88 organ shortcomings, there is room on the right end to velcro an HX3 organ module. Run its output into the CP's audio input, MIDI it up and play the HX3's presets. The CP's input gain works beautifully and the CP 73's (at least) action is not bad for playing organ, at least for this piano player- I have actually come to enjoy it. Resistance is comparable to the Nord Stage 3 88 and glisses are not a problem.


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RE the CP73/88 organ shortcomings, there is room on the right end to velcro an HX3 organ module. Run its output into the CP's audio input, MIDI it up and play the HX3's presets. . . .


So Yamaha fixed the nasty ground loop buzz you would get if you tried that with a CP4?


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Adan] #3021918 01/03/20 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Adan
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I now have a P121 as my office keyboard. It's great. Smaller footprint perfect for the space. I won't be back in my office until next year, but I'll see if I can notice the black key issue then.



My P121 exhibits a similar black key behavior where quickly repeated hard struck notes result in a somewhat diminished volume for the follow-ons. I don't know if it's exactly the same because I can't put the P121 and CP73 side by side. I want to say it's a little less noticeable on the P121, but that's kind of a hard comparison for me to make because I wasn't noticing it on either keyboard until I purposefully tried to make it happen.

The P121 is a great little piano. I did a dinner set for my organization's holiday party, really enjoyed playing it. This involved walking 5 blocks from my office to the party venue carrying it on a shoulder strap, so I was glad for the portability.


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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
Can anyone comment on the flexibility of the CP88's MIDI functions for utilizing multiple voices at once?

For instance -- wondering if I MIDIed my Mojo dual up to the CP88, if I could use the Mojo's upper manual to control a clav or a pad from the CP88, and if I could play a different sound on the CP88 itself simultaneously. For example, if I was playing Peg by Steely Dan, I can imagine a scenario where I want to play the CP88 Rhodes with my right hand, and the CP88 clav from the Mojo with my left. I know I could set up a split on the CP88 itself, but for argument's sake, let's say I was hell-bent on doing it this way!

I realize this is sort of specific to my idiosyncratic needs, but I thought it was worth a poke of the thread before I spent too long trying to figure it out from the manual, which just covers the basic send/receive info.


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@rickp, seems so. I've never had a CP4 so not familiar with that problem.


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I now have a P121 as my office keyboard. It's great. Smaller footprint perfect for the space. I won't be back in my office until next year, but I'll see if I can notice the black key issue then.



My P121 exhibits a similar black key behavior where quickly repeated hard struck notes result in a somewhat diminished volume for the follow-ons. I don't know if it's exactly the same because I can't put the P121 and CP73 side by side. I want to say it's a little less noticeable on the P121, but that's kind of a hard comparison for me to make because I wasn't noticing it on either keyboard until I purposefully tried to make it happen.

The P121 is a great little piano. I did a dinner set for my organization's holiday party, really enjoyed playing it. This involved walking 5 blocks from my office to the party venue carrying it on a shoulder strap, so I was glad for the portability.


Thank you very much for reply!


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3024234 01/17/20 08:01 PM
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Hello all, did anyone tried the new firmware 1.30 which is available at the Yamaha website since today? There are two new Rhodes samples coming with. I would be very interested in how they sound.


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The CFIII and two more Rhodes are great, but it doesn't seem like Yamaha wants to broaden the sound palette of the CPs. Disappointing.

https://yamahamusicians.com/yamaha-update-the-cp73-and-cp88-os-to-v1-3-namm-2020/

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Not at this price point. Here we pay for the action and the limited sound set. At the MODX price you get the sounds without the action. To get a Montage you have to pay for one. That’s Yamaha.

Same as why the Electro has no synth. And the Wave 2 has no organ engine. You have to pay for a Stage to get all that.


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Hello, did anyone try the three new samples from v1.3? I am espacially interested in how the two new Rhodes are sounding, because there are only a few seconds of demo of these at the Yamaha demos from the Namm show.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3025438 01/24/20 02:03 AM
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So are you stuck with one rendition of a tone wheel organ or can you adjust drawbars?


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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
So are you stuck with one rendition of a tone wheel organ or can you adjust drawbars?


It’s a ROMpler with a really good piano-like action.
No organ section. You find them under “other”.
YC61 is their organ with Drawbars now. smile


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I know the YC61 is the Yamaha version of Nord so maybe there'll be a YC73 & YC88 weighted hammer action? That would be awesome but pricy.


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Just speculation, it’s always hard to read Yamaha. But what is for sure is that the YC and CP models this year share a similar interface but one is organ centric - has a 61k “organ type” action, and the other is piano centric 73/88k weighted “piano-like” actions. I doubt they would do the YC in a weighted action, but I could be wrong. Offering the YC in a 73 or 76k variant would make sense, not sure why it doesn’t exist at inception the way the CP arrived immediately with 88 and 73k versions.


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Looks that there are some discounts and the instrument is mostly sold out (in Czech Republic). Can CP be discontinued? Thinking of selling Nord (I dont use hammond as much as I tought) and CP 73 looks like good option for EPs and APs.

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I would be surprised to hear the CP series is discontinued. The CP88 is Yamaha's flagship portable stage piano (sort of, P515 is heavier and less "pro", more "home"), and both were introduced relatively recently. It's possible that they want to clear the current production run in order to introduce some updates (fixing the CP73 black key issue for example)...

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