Dave Bryce Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Ian Benhamou, keyboardist for the extraordinary Genesis tribute band The Musical Box, gives us a guided tour of the extensive rig he's using to faithfully recreate the iconic sounds of Tony Banks for the West Coast US leg of TMB's 2019 Genesis Extravaganza Part 2. [video:youtube] dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Wow, that was amazing. Incredible attention to detail utilizing combinations of vintage gear and current technology. I can only imagine the hours and hours put into programming/configuring the keys for those tunes, let alone learning the parts. Very proud and humbled to have you here among us. Thanks for that Dave, and rock on Ian! Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 "How many bands get to encore with SUPPER'S READY?!" I love it. Thanks for sharing! Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 "How many bands get to encore with SUPPER'S READY?!" ...not to mention even being able to play it (and nail it to the wall) in the first place. I love it. Thanks for sharing! Delighted to have the opportunity. Huge thanks to brother Ian for making it possible. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wright Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Very cool! Thanks Dave and Ian! Quote "I cried when I wrote this song Sue me if I play too long" Walter Becker Donald Fagan 1977 Deacon Blues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Watched it twice so far - excellent stuff! Thank you dB and Ian. Quote Korg Kronos 61 (2); Kurzweil PC4, Roland Fantom-06, Casio PX-350M; 2015 Macbook Pro and 2012 Mac Mini (Logic Pro X and Mainstage), GigPerformer 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernMeister Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Great stuff. Thanks DB and Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drohm Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Nice! Thanks for creating and sharing that video! Quote NS3C, Hammond XK5, Yamaha S7X, Sequential Prophet 6, Yamaha YC73, Roland Jupiter X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 . Huge thanks to brother Ian for making it possible. fantastic job, dB. (love the shirt, BTW) Ian is a way major cool dude, we are fortunate to have him as part of this forum. Not many dudes who tour internationally are as humble as him. Looking forward to hanging out with you again in the swamp next spring, Brother Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Wow, that was amazing. Incredible attention to detail utilizing combinations of vintage gear and current technology. I can only imagine the hours and hours put into programming/configuring the keys for those tunes, let alone learning the parts. Very proud and humbled to have you here among us. Thanks for that Dave, and rock on Ian! Well said, this video is humbling to say the least. Awesome playing and programming of beautiful gear. Thanks to all three people involved (whoever was holding the camera!) Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 Thanks to all three people involved (whoever was holding the camera!) Brother Mark McCrite. Product manager at Strymon, Rabbit Valet vocalist/guitar player, huge Genesis fan. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wright Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Thanks Mark!! Quote "I cried when I wrote this song Sue me if I play too long" Walter Becker Donald Fagan 1977 Deacon Blues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gino Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 How good was that Thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 That was tremendously entertaining, Dave and Ian. Thanks to you both! The 'trickery" on Ripples is brilliant. Quote Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 So, so great, loved this! Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Well, THAT was fun! Thank you Ian, Dave, and Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdAct Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Very cool! The mapping of the Kurzweil is eye opening -- especially to someone (like me) who has never programmed a keyboard. I would have assumed there's no way to simultaneously play those organ and piano parts. Wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Man that is a sick rig. I loved the Leslie 147 there also. That takes a lot of fortitude to do something like that. Thanks for sharing Dave. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 The mapping of the Kurzweil is eye opening -- especially to someone (like me) who has never programmed a keyboard. I would have assumed there's no way to simultaneously play those organ and piano parts. Wrong! I have a Shine On You Crazy Diamond Multi for my Kurz that works similarly. I hold the G min string pad -1st inversion, with octaved G - but the stacked bass program's G is mapped to/triggered by the Bb I'm holding as part of the string pad chord, not the low G; then, I can change to the Cmin chord - 3rd inversion, with octaved G again - without really changing my hand position...and the bass note is now triggered by the C, even though the lowest note I'm playing is still a G. What Ian is doing is obviously more involved...but the same basic idea. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdAct Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 The mapping of the Kurzweil is eye opening -- especially to someone (like me) who has never programmed a keyboard. I would have assumed there's no way to simultaneously play those organ and piano parts. Wrong! I have a Shine On You Crazy Diamond Multi for my Kurz that works similarly. I hold the G min string pad -1st inversion, with octaved G - but the stacked bass program's G is mapped to/triggered by the Bb I'm holding as part of the string pad chord, not the low G; then, I can change to the Cmin chord - 3rd inversion, with octaved G again - without really changing my hand position...and the bass note is now triggered by the C, even though the lowest note I'm playing is still a G. What Ian is doing is obviously more involved...but the same basic idea. dB Yes -- and I imagine such techniques would be essential to reproducing the studio recordings of bands such as Pink Floyd and Genesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ian Benhamou Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Thanks guys!! It was an honour to be asked to do this and to have dB run the interview made it that much more special! Just as a side note, since this was a one-off 6 date leg of the tour we didn"t have all of our gear, only the essentials. So that isn"t my complete rig. Anyhow, it"s been great meeting many of the cool dudes on this forum on the tours. I hope to meet more of you along the way. Shoot me a PM if you"re interested in coming to any of our shows. Cheers. Quote Ian Benhamou Keyboards/Guitar/Vocals [url:https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTheMusicalBox/]The Musical Box[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losendoskeys Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 You need more gear Ian! Hoping to catch Ian and his rig in the UK next year to compare notes! Yes - encoring with Suppers Ready certainly whips the fans into a frenzy! BTW The Pianet N and T are quite different - the N uses an electrostatic pickup and the T electromagnetic. In the N reeds are plucked by electrostatic pick-ups and leather and foam pads, in the T, reeds are plucked by silicone rubber pads. They don't sound the same at all Quote Yamaha CP70B;Roland XP30/AXSynth/Fantom/FA76/XR;Hammond XK3C SK2; Korg Kronos 73;ProSoloist Rack+; ARP ProSoloist; Mellotron M4000D; GEM Promega2; Hohner Pianet N, Roland V-Grand,Voyager XL, RMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 BTW The Pianet N and T are quite different - the N uses an electrostatic pickup and the T electromagnetic. In the N reeds are plucked by electrostatic pick-ups and leather and foam pads, in the T, reeds are plucked by silicone rubber pads. They don't sound the same at all Very true! I used a Combo Pianet in the early 70s, which was mostly the same as the N. I found the Combo and the N sound to be more similar to a Wurlitzer EP and to fit rock music better. Many times they sound VERY similar, although the Pianet cannot match the expressivity that the hammer action on the Wurlitzer provides. When they switched to the new models they lost that tone in favor of something more mellow and (dare I say) a bit more Rhodes like. Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losendoskeys Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The mapping of the Kurzweil is eye opening -- especially to someone (like me) who has never programmed a keyboard. I would have assumed there's no way to simultaneously play those organ and piano parts. Wrong! I have a Shine On You Crazy Diamond Multi for my Kurz that works similarly. I hold the G min string pad -1st inversion, with octaved G - but the stacked bass program's G is mapped to/triggered by the Bb I'm holding as part of the string pad chord, not the low G; then, I can change to the Cmin chord - 3rd inversion, with octaved G again - without really changing my hand position...and the bass note is now triggered by the C, even though the lowest note I'm playing is still a G. What Ian is doing is obviously more involved...but the same basic idea. dB Yes -- and I imagine such techniques would be essential to reproducing the studio recordings of bands such as Pink Floyd and Genesis. Funny how we find different ways of dealing with the multitrack problem. For Ripples I play the piano arpeggio on the lower keyboard of the SK2 and the organ on the upper - don't think you notice the left hand is missing because of the rest of the band parts Quote Yamaha CP70B;Roland XP30/AXSynth/Fantom/FA76/XR;Hammond XK3C SK2; Korg Kronos 73;ProSoloist Rack+; ARP ProSoloist; Mellotron M4000D; GEM Promega2; Hohner Pianet N, Roland V-Grand,Voyager XL, RMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdAct Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The mapping of the Kurzweil is eye opening -- especially to someone (like me) who has never programmed a keyboard. I would have assumed there's no way to simultaneously play those organ and piano parts. Wrong! I have a Shine On You Crazy Diamond Multi for my Kurz that works similarly. I hold the G min string pad -1st inversion, with octaved G - but the stacked bass program's G is mapped to/triggered by the Bb I'm holding as part of the string pad chord, not the low G; then, I can change to the Cmin chord - 3rd inversion, with octaved G again - without really changing my hand position...and the bass note is now triggered by the C, even though the lowest note I'm playing is still a G. What Ian is doing is obviously more involved...but the same basic idea. dB Yes -- and I imagine such techniques would be essential to reproducing the studio recordings of bands such as Pink Floyd and Genesis. Funny how we find different ways of dealing with the multitrack problem. For Ripples I play the piano arpeggio on the lower keyboard of the SK2 and the organ on the upper - don't think you notice the left hand is missing because of the rest of the band parts Yes, that's likely how I would do something like that too! It's impressive what people have done to exactly reproduce recordings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Benhamou Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Funny how we find different ways of dealing with the multitrack problem. For Ripples I play the piano arpeggio on the lower keyboard of the SK2 and the organ on the upper - don't think you notice the left hand is missing because of the rest of the band parts I wholeheartedly disagree. For one thing, the first chorus is without drum and bass, only acoustic guitar strumming and a bit of tambourine, so the left hand is prominent and would definitely be lacking if it weren"t there. Secondly, even when the drums come in for the second chorus, those left hand octaves are a big pet of the sound, just listen to the recording and you could clearly hear both hands playing as well as those organ pads. In the end, it depends on what level of detail you"re going after. If you"re just playing a cover of the song one hand will do, or just piano but no organ. But if you"re trying to recreate a recording with as much attention to detail as an orchestra would performing a great symphony, then those extra details make a huge difference in the sound. Quote Ian Benhamou Keyboards/Guitar/Vocals [url:https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTheMusicalBox/]The Musical Box[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losendoskeys Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Are you saying Tony only went to "cover" his own songs? It's more about the level to which you go to reproduce a track and which version you play - live or studio. You've gone for studio. I've gone for something half way because I can't add in the organ any other way. I know that Tony didn't do live what you or I do for instance, and missed the organ out completely. I prefer to add in the organ and sacrifice the left hand. I'm sure there will be other songs where i do more than you, it's just how it goes and what is physically possible in some cases. Quote Yamaha CP70B;Roland XP30/AXSynth/Fantom/FA76/XR;Hammond XK3C SK2; Korg Kronos 73;ProSoloist Rack+; ARP ProSoloist; Mellotron M4000D; GEM Promega2; Hohner Pianet N, Roland V-Grand,Voyager XL, RMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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