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Which waterfall controller? #3013685 10/25/19 02:01 PM
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I’m looking for a good lightweight controller to take to jam sessions to use with Galileo 2. We have a piano player that comes out hence the desire for an controller for organ use mainly. I’ve been told about M Audio Axiom Pro 61 any other waterfall controllers that you have used and would recommend.

Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: gd1] #3013730 10/25/19 06:39 PM
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What's a waterfall controller? Or, in the context of a keyboard controller, what's a "waterfall?"

Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: Mike Rivers] #3013732 10/25/19 06:51 PM
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There are three different types of keys for a synthesizer; diving board, waterfall and lipped. It's making reference to the shape of the key. Waterfall is smooth on the end and rolls over like a counter top. Diving board looks just like it sounds. Lipped has a lip on the end that extends past the end of the key. I personally don't have a preference. It just has to feel 'right'. smile

Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: gd1] #3013805 10/26/19 12:50 PM
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Thanks. I've never heard those designations or descriptions of the physical keys, but what do I know? I'm a guitar player. I took inventory of the two keyboards around here and I think I have one lipped and one diving board. That is, if my guess of a lipped key is one like a real piano key, where the top surface is an ivory veneer that hangs over the outboard edge of the key a bit? A diving board is just like a square block? And a waterfall is like a diving board with a rounded corner on the top edge?



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Rounded along front and side top edges, much better for playing organ.

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Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: gd1] #3013848 10/26/19 07:08 PM
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Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: DevonB] #3013921 10/27/19 12:21 PM
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Oh, then I don't have any lipped keys, I have natural key profiles. Probably because the keyboard I was looking at is old enough so that lipped keys hadn't been invented yet, unless organs are always like that.

Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: gd1] #3015205 11/07/19 05:44 PM
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Waterfall actions aren't as common as they used to be... some people even mistake lipped keys for waterfall. M-Audio is one of the few companies that even does lipped keys nowadays, as diving boards are so much cheaper to make.

If your organist would be okay with non-sharp lipped keys, there are a few options that might work for you. Nearly all keyboards made by Nektar and StudioLogic have lipped keys. The Novation Impulse series does too, and the Alesis VI series and M-Audio CODE series.

Unfortunately, actual waterfall keys are a lot more rare. Some possibilities:

This double manual monstrosity from GSi

The StudioLogic Numa Compact 2x , which is not a controller primarily but might have waterfall keys (the Compact 2 is lightly lipped but the 2x is designed for organ use and might be waterfall).

I hope this helps.

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Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: Dr Mike Metlay] #3015247 11/07/19 09:36 PM
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Nord Stage 3 has waterfall keys too.

Devon

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I use the Studiologic Numa Organ 2 as a waterfall MIDI controller. I have owned it for years and probably have only used the internal organ sound engine once or twice. One little quirk is that only a limited number of its controls output MIDI CC data over USB, but just about all of the controls output MIDI CC data over the MIDI OUT DIN. I have used it with VB3, AcousticSamples B5, and now IK Multimedia's B-3X. It works and feels great, and has all of the controls you'll ever need in a single manual organ controller!

Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: gd1] #3016026 11/13/19 05:20 PM
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Thanks I will try to find the Nord and the Studiologica units. There was a Numa Organ 2 for sale ($650 cdn) last month but CL listing expired before I responded. $650 just seemed to good to be true and raised some obvious concerns.

Re: Which waterfall controller? [Re: gd1] #3017200 11/24/19 12:52 AM
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Actually $650CDN isn't out of line for a Numa Organ 2, if it's been well used. I would want to play it before buying at that price, for sure.


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