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GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini #3011430 10/07/19 11:53 PM
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Max demos the new Venice Grand Open on the Crumar Seven - superb playing too.

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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011432 10/08/19 12:15 AM
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February 10, 2019 - Venice Grand piano sampleset for Gemini

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2968415/Re_Crumar_Seven


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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011436 10/08/19 12:37 AM
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Can I have a small portion of those Venice Grand samples replace the Acoustic Piano samples in my Mojo 61?


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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ElmerJFudd] #3011453 10/08/19 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
February 10, 2019 - Venice Grand piano sampleset for Gemini

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2968415/Re_Crumar_Seven

This is a new set.

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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011461 10/08/19 08:50 AM
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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011463 10/08/19 10:58 AM
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Venice Grand Open, I see.







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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011476 10/08/19 02:31 PM
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Cudos. The demos show the source instrument has a nice timbre, they captured a variety of dynamic levels that seem to switch smoothly,
I personally did not love the action on the Seven for acoustic pianos - but I did not have a manual and opportunity to adjust its velocity curves - although I am not sure that feature is included on the instrument.
I believe you can adjust velocity response in the modeled instruments. Maybe an owner can chime in on this.


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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011477 10/08/19 02:35 PM
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I would still love a comparison video between the modeled piano on the Seven and the new Venice Grand.


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Well it sounds pretty good on the videos but so did the original Venice grand...
The original gsi gemini grand and then the original Venice grand both sounded good on their videos and their website but they just didn't translate into good sounding piano's on my spacestation through my Kurzweil controller.
Whether it's my hardware or my personal taste I'm not using either because i find even the old triple strike piano is better, so it will be interesting to see how this new one sounds.
Odd because all their other sounds in the Gemini desktop unit have been stellar.


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Originally Posted by tonybanksfan
Well it sounds pretty good on the videos but so did the original Venice grand...
The original gsi gemini grand and then the original Venice grand both sounded good on their videos and their website but they just didn't translate into good sounding piano's on my spacestation through my Kurzweil controller.
Whether it's my hardware or my personal taste I'm not using either because i find even the old triple strike piano is better, so it will be interesting to see how this new one sounds.
Odd because all their other sounds in the Gemini desktop unit have been stellar.

Perhaps your Kurz piano sounded OK, but in general it's well-known that the SS falls short as a piano amp, but is mostly OK for everything else. Have you tried these pianos with an amp that is more piano friendly?


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Re: GSi new piano for Seven and Gemini [Re: ChazKeys] #3011674 10/09/19 07:19 PM
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The one annoying feature (to me) on every acoustic piano has been that the sustain pedal oversustains. Holding down the sustain just becomes a wash of sustained notes that doesn't sound good at loud volumes. This is the first acoustic piano that sounds as though he's tempered the sustain pedal so that if you hold it for more than 1/2 of a second the sound doesn't turn into a wash of noise. I'll only know when I run it through my rig at high volume whether this will hold true (when he releases it for the Gemini). I hope so. I sometimes also go to the triple strike on piano solos for this very reason.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
The one annoying feature (to me) on every acoustic piano has been that the sustain pedal oversustains. Holding down the sustain just becomes a wash of sustained notes that doesn't sound good at loud volumes. This is the first acoustic piano that sounds as though he's tempered the sustain pedal so that if you hold it for more than 1/2 of a second the sound doesn't turn into a wash of noise. I'll only know when I run it through my rig at high volume whether this will hold true (when he releases it for the Gemini). I hope so. I sometimes also go to the triple strike on piano solos for this very reason.

A piano note should decay identically whether the sustain pedal is down or you are merely holding notes down with your fingers. Do you find these pianos similarly decaying insufficiently when you just hold keys down while playing others? If that seems fine, I wonder if the "wash" could be from the implementation of pedal-down sympathetic resonances, and there might be an adjustment for that?


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When I mentioned this to Guido he suggested in a post a year ago about backing off the resonances which in this case is the piano harp in the "sample player". I have the harp setting on minimum but it is still over the top. However the venice grand open appears to be far less resonant than the others. We'll see when he releases it for the Gemini.


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Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
I have the harp setting on minimum but it is still over the top.
Do you play find the problem more noticeable when playing in mono than when playing in stereo?


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The Gemini doesn't have mono, just panning. So I have panned the organ one way and all other instruments the other way. So there are still some residual stereo effects coming from the other output but barely noticeable. The possibility does exist that the stereo effect being pushed out of one output could contribute to the problem.


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Well it sounds pretty good on the videos but so did the original Venice grand...
The original gsi gemini grand and then the original Venice grand both sounded good on their videos and their website but they just didn't translate into good sounding piano's on my spacestation through my Kurzweil controller.
Whether it's my hardware or my personal taste I'm not using either because i find even the old triple strike piano is better, so it will be interesting to see how this new one sounds.
Odd because all their other sounds in the Gemini desktop unit have been stellar.

Perhaps your Kurz piano sounded OK, but in general it's well-known that the SS falls short as a piano amp, but is mostly OK for everything else. Have you tried these pianos with an amp that is more piano friendly?

No, I havent. I realize the Spacestation isn't the best amp to be using when it comes to pianos, but it's what I have at the moment.
I'm looking to upgrade to a pair or maybe even a single QSC k8.2 powered speaker but have held off till I can afford it. I hate to sell the Spacestation to finance the QSC just in case I'm unhappy with it and end up regretting the move. As you know there is so much discussion on this site about which speakers are superior so I have held back on my next purchase while digesting everyone's comments about what they recommend.
The Spacestation is a good all round little unit and I would recommend it to anyone that isn't solely using it for piano amplification.


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I find the SS pretty decent for piano, the stereo image thing in particular is very nice when playing solo or in small combo only putting vocal into small PA.
It lacks some low end, and some like to put a sub under it.
Of course 2 PA speakers with wide frequency range set to V out is a step up, but an SS when doing AP, EP, Organ accompanying is quite nice.


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Originally Posted by Jazz+
Can I have a small portion of those Venice Grand samples replace the Acoustic Piano samples in my Mojo 61?

It may be unfounded to assume that a version small enough to replace the existing sample set would be any better than what's there in any technical sense, rather than just different. Though there's always a subjective element to just which of two piano timbres someone may prefer which could make an option worthwhile regardless. That's essentially the idea behind Nord offering so many options even if comparably sized, after all.

Originally Posted by tonybanksfan
I'm looking to upgrade to a pair or maybe even a single QSC k8.2 powered speaker but have held off till I can afford it. I hate to sell the Spacestation to finance the QSC just in case I'm unhappy with it and end up regretting the move.

If you're really thinking about a pair anyway, then maybe get one QSC to start, and then decide whether to sell the Spacestation to get a second. But also, there are a number of players in the big SS thread who talked about actually liking combining a single QSC (or similar) with the Spacestation in a vertical stack of some sort, to kind of get the best of both.

EQ can help get a better piano sound out of the SS itself. I remember being impressed with what I could do with about a 3 dB dip on my mixer channel, though I don't remember the frequency (the board's EQ was semi-parametric).


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I just installed it in my DMC/Gemini. No problem with oversustain, but I need to tweak the velocity curve some more, right now it have to much bite crazy
Will try it from a HA keyboard later.

I am normally using another keyboard for AC piano, but it are nice to have the all in one option.

But I have a general problem with all the Gemini AC piano`s from the sample player, they are all so damn loud when I recall them from a preset. I have tried to turn them down in the preset, or set the channel to ignore preset volume, still they can waken up the house when going from another sound to a piano preset.


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I found the Mellotrons they offered previously were incredibly loud in comparison to their other sounds I downloaded.


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I have a show Saturday night in a place with great house sound. Hope it doesn't disappoint.


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Remember there is the option to load preset with saved volume. So you can adjust the volume of any of your presets if they are too loud. Just remember to check that option is selected on the home page of the Gemini editor. I like the fact the mellotron samples aren't looped.

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Originally Posted by ChazKeys
Remember there is the option to load preset with saved volume. So you can adjust the volume of any of your presets if they are too loud. Just remember to check that option is selected on the home page of the Gemini editor. I like the fact the mellotron samples aren't looped.

Yes I realize that and is what I have done. They are very good Mellotrons as well.


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I've used the Venice Open in two shows. A little crisper than the original Venice and much better balanced across the keyboard. Definitely sounds different and better than the original Venice. I thought it was a little compressed , the dynamics were mild. I moved the velocity parameter out to about 77-80 and it feels more natural. The sustain on this piano does not overly sustain meaning holding down the sustain does NOT sound like a mush of notes, it sounds much more natural,. With the original Venice I had to move the harp to zero, with the open I have left it at 64. This piano is definitely more usable than the previous three.


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