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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007446 09/10/19 03:53 PM
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"Tell Me Something Good" was also the song I was going to submit. You can get away with turning the groove around until the interlude between the first verse and chorus, and/or coming out of that first chorus. It ONLY makes sense if you are on board with the bass hitting one beat before the downs.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: stoken6] #3007448 09/10/19 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stoken6

Underrated band imho.


Agreed. That song is a minor masterpiece IMO.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007450 09/10/19 04:22 PM
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Always liked the interplay between the keys and drums in this intro. Depending on how your first perceive the keys, it sounds like the riff changes when full drums come in even though it's the same.


Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007451 09/10/19 04:30 PM
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Some things are so wrong they just have to be right.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007453 09/10/19 04:53 PM
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+1 on Tell Me Something Good. I STILL have to think hard about that one.

And Drive My Car was a tricky one at band practice... not too bad for keys but gave fits to the stringed instruments.

Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007474 09/10/19 06:19 PM
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Dropping a tune in my favorite DAW and lining it up to a click track has helped me. I had the same problem as OP with Car Wash until I did this.

I thought Take It Easy was messed up when I was a kid until the Live album came out, and I could hear Henley's count and hi hat.

I heard even Bonham had trouble counting the middle section of Stairway. Page insisted that it never departed from 4-count bars the whole time.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007475 09/10/19 06:35 PM
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The Bodhisattva intro threw me for a loop until our drummer showed me how to count it!!! Whew!!



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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: LennyTunes] #3007476 09/10/19 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LennyTunes
I heard even Bonham had trouble counting the middle section of Stairway. Page insisted that it never departed from 4-count bars the whole time.


Wasn't the story with Kashmir that Bonham decided to just play in 4 rather than navigate the 3/4s and 9/8s, figuring it would come around again at some point?


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: LennyTunes] #3007477 09/10/19 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LennyTunes
Dropping a tune in my favorite DAW and lining it up to a click track has helped me. I had the same problem as OP with Car Wash until I did this.


Yay Lenny!! cheers You have made me very happy to know that I was not the only one mentally turning car wash into a car crash! ...
Fortunately I have cracked it now and it is sounding MUCH better and causing me no more pain. grin

It is great to hear everyone's examples of tunes which mess with their heads. Here is another one which has an intro which I find truly fiendish....



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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: Tom Williams] #3007483 09/10/19 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
I wrestled with my band for months about the beginning of "Take it Easy."

The third in our series of "where's the beat" is "I Wanna Hold Your Hand," which starts on the And of Three.

Yup, classics that throw people.

Also the drum intro to Led Zep's Rock and Roll.

And Yes' Yours is No Disgrace, which being Yes, feels fine if you count it wrong too (though the organ gets oddly syncopated). So what if you later have to drop a beat? It's Yes!


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There's got to be a mismatch in beats going on here, right? My old band did this song, and I was the singer, and I guess I figured out how to just feel it, but I was glad I wasn't playing anything through it, because there's no way in hell I could tell you how that intro fits with the verse:


Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: CEB] #3007485 09/10/19 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CEB
Some things are so wrong they just have to be right.

How true. That takes wrong all the way round the back and meets right coming the other way.

Cheers, Mike.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: BluMunk] #3007486 09/10/19 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BluMunk
There's got to be a mismatch in beats going on here, right? My old band did this song, and I was the singer, and I guess I figured out how to just feel it, but I was glad I wasn't playing anything through it, because there's no way in hell I could tell you how that intro fits with the verse:



Yes, Ringo either 1) made the decision to work 4 against 3, or 2) had to stick with 4 because he couldn't nail the 3, depending on which account you believe. I believe the first one, it's not like the guy couldn't play 3.


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Originally Posted by BluMunk
There's got to be a mismatch in beats going on here, right? My old band did this song, and I was the singer, and I guess I figured out how to just feel it, but I was glad I wasn't playing anything through it, because there's no way in hell I could tell you how that intro fits with the verse

The opening bass drum hit is the 1. The three following guitar hits are on the Ands after 1, 2, and 3. And you can see how it fits when those three chords come in again later. But yeah, it's a crazy effect.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: stoken6] #3007496 09/10/19 08:15 PM
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Some things are so wrong they just have to be right.

How true. That takes wrong all the way round the back and meets right coming the other way.

Cheers, Mike.


The arrangements on this album are off the hook. The arranger was a genius.


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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007501 09/10/19 08:54 PM
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We consist of some pretty decent players, but we can't (easily, every time) get the beginning of Sex on Fire from Kings of Leon.

It's really hard to tell what beat the guitar accent is on...seems to be between beats and not in the middle, but obviously they made it work. I suggested just come in with the drums from the beginning, more dancing time, but the rest of the band seemed to feel people might notice and find it jarring (we shall agree to disagree, hell audiences don't care when half the instruments are canned, though against my own arguments they *will* sound like the record that way....)

We also had a hell of time with The Kinks' Father Christmas (a holiday party client requested it). I couldn't tell if the Kinks just picked random times to come out of fills on purpose or if it was just accidental. They all did it together mostly so I guess it was on purpose. We basically just made all the fills even numbers and said the heck with trying to get it exactly like they did it.

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Re: Is there anyone else who thinks this intro sounds wrong? [Re: xKnuckles] #3007507 09/10/19 09:35 PM
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I think Joni Mitchell's "Help Me" is a related case.
Now, it sounds perfectly normal if all you do is enjoy it as a listener, but if I listen to the end of each chorus and try to break down the rhythms to figure out how to cover it, I find myself thinking "wait - what the heck is happening here?".
Try tapping your finger slowly, along with the kick/snare, and the rug gets yanked out from underneath you, right around 0:30 (and similarly at the end of each chorus).

But if you are not thinking about how to cover it, all you hear is Joni and her musicians making it sound just effortless, and so right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOEE-kR-Txg

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