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MacOS Catalina - message from Native Instruments #3007452 09/10/19 04:44 PM
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In my inbox this morning (excuse me if already posted):

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Hi there,

In the next few weeks, Apple will release a new operating system, macOS 10.15 Catalina.

To ensure your Native products work the way they should, we recommend waiting to update.
We’re working on making our software fully compatible with macOS 10.15.
In the meantime check here for more information regarding your NI products and support for macOS Catalina.

All the best,
Native


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Re: MacOS Catalina - message from Native Instruments [Re: drawback] #3007457 09/10/19 05:02 PM
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Just got all the lab computers at my day job upgraded to Mojave. I'll standby and watch the chaos for another year or so before we upgrade again...


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A tasty upgrade:

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I worked in the computer / software industry for decades and holding off upgrading is a good habit to get into for all upgrades.

The QA test cycle is the first part of projects time gets cut from and some companies the full functionality test is done after a product ships. Yes you are the beta tester like it or not. I can save shipping new products with bug lists still in the thousands is normal. One product I worked on shipped with 5000 known bugs, now a lot of those bugs were cosmetic, documentation, and in obscure areas of the app, but some were "show stopper" bugs negotiated down to a priority 2 bug in meetings. One of the biggest companies I worked for twice shipped with 1000 bugs. Back then lead times to manufacture CD's and paper documentation was so long we usually had bug fixes finished before a product would ship.

So unless a diehard, have to have it now fanboy, always wait to installs upgrades.

Re: MacOS Catalina - message from Native Instruments [Re: Synthoid] #3007482 09/10/19 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Synthoid
A tasty upgrade:

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Re: MacOS Catalina - message from Native Instruments [Re: drawback] #3007492 09/10/19 07:57 PM
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No plans to upgrade anytime soon. Mojave has alerted me to 23 different apps and drivers I currently have installed that won't work with the next macOS (and I update regularly). I think I'll have a fairly long wait before all the manufacturers have complied.

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I'm still happily sitting on High Sierra. If it ain't broke...


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Re: MacOS Catalina - message from Native Instruments [Re: drawback] #3007511 09/10/19 10:08 PM
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Just make sure you don't have auto-update activated on your Mac - just remembered to turn mine off wink

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Well there are several issues that are going to eliminate backward compatabilty on OSX. One of these is processor related. From 2011 on Intel's Sandy Bridge processors have supported Advanced Vector Extensionsd ( AVX) which are now being used by software developers, e.g. IK Multimedia Modo Drums. Widespread adoption will mean any pre Sandy Bridge processor on Windows or Mac will not be able to run these AU's and VI's.

Standby for howls of protest from folks with these machines. As someone with machines with post Sandybridge processors I welcome innovation that utilises the power and speed of the hardware I have invested in. Eight years is a long time to wait for software that provides an improvement on the Core Duo processor instruction set.


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I'm not an Apple apologist or fanboy by any means but it seems to me they've made efforts in the past to allow people to use older machines or software, eg dual booting on early OSX machines, then Classic, then Rosetta, universal binary, selectable 32/64 bit on some apps, etc. Were devs not warned of this latest change a while ago?

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Originally Posted by Reezekeys
I'm not an Apple apologist or fanboy by any means but it seems to me they've made efforts in the past to allow people to use older machines or software, eg dual booting on early OSX machines, then Classic, then Rosetta, universal binary, selectable 32/64 bit on some apps, etc. Were devs not warned of this latest change a while ago?


Yes they were.

As you and I have discussed, I run a 2012 beefed up MacBook Pro for Mainstage or GigPerfomer. That's is all it's used for. It runs High Sierra and is just fine.

I do run Mojave on my late 2013 MBP that is used for everything else. I also use it as a test bed, so to speak, to check compatibility with Mojave.

WHat is curious to me is the number of big time programs that prompt Mojave to give me the incompatibility warning. Oh well.


I do a[appreciate that companies like NI send out these notices. I am sure Sweetwater will also start compiling a new Mac Catalina page as they've done with Sierra, High Sierra, and Mojave

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About a month ago I replaced the 256GB SSD in my late-2013 MacBook Pro with a 1TB drive, and also updated directly from OSX 10.11 (El Capitan) to Mojave - yea, I skipped two OSX systems. I do what you do by having a "test bed" but I just use an external drive with the newer system instead of a separate machine. I knew I my music rig would work with Mojave months before my upgrades. I couldn't restore El Cap on my new internal anyway since I went from HFS+ to APFS.

Like you I am also seeing a lot of the "future incompatibility" warnings. I found this terminal command on another website that will save a text file listing all your 32-bit apps. Beware, it will list apps anywhere on any drive connected to your Mac, not just your boot drive. Copy & paste this command (the file is saved to your desktop):

system_profiler SPApplicationsDataType | grep -B 6 -A 2 "(Intel): No" > ~/Desktop/non64bit.txt

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Originally Posted by Reezekeys


Like you I am also seeing a lot of the "future incompatibility" warnings. I found this terminal command on another website that will save a text file listing all your 32-bit apps. Beware, it will list apps anywhere on any drive connected to your Mac, not just your boot drive. Copy & paste this command (the file is saved to your desktop):

system_profiler SPApplicationsDataType | grep -B 6 -A 2 "(Intel): No" > ~/Desktop/non64bit.txt


Thank you very much for this. I am very familiar with playing in Terminal so i will add this command to my list


David
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