TomKittel Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Semi weighted keys with aftertouch, nice. But weight, size and price are hefty. Quote LIFE IS SHORT, GO GET THE GEAR YOU WANT ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 This is the first Roland in a long time that has me excited. I used to love my JV2080 back in the day. I had an FA06 for a while but didn"t like the keybed or the midi implementation (understand that may have improved with updates). This looks like it could be a real the heart of a rig Quote Nord Stage 2EX | Nord Wave | Mainstage | Key Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Wow, am I late...just came here to post about this. Glad someone is releasing a new workstation! I agree it looks similar to the Montage. I don't like the red on the back, but hey, that's just an aesthetic. Hopefully the specs aren't too watered down. Also hoping for complete midi implementation. Wish it were a bit lighter but it's still two pounds lighter than the Montage 88. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Finally. Yet, did I miss - NO user Multisamples??? Regular samples though...maybe they can add that later. "Sampler Format 16-bit linear, 44.1/48kHz, WAV/AIFF import supported Maximum Polyphony 8 Number of Samples 16 Pads x 4 Banks" Wondering about this "Zen Core" sound engine... Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Totally irrelevant, but my OCD hates how they use inconsistent typography for the product logo. Caps except for the n and m? I"m sure it"s intentional, because that"s not something that would slip through the cracks. Weird how only the FA seem intended as Caps, but the T and O are still caps even though they are slightly smaller. Or it"s like the FA are a different font, but that still doesn"t explain the mismatch of the nTOm. Quote gear list.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 According to Factmag, Zen Core is a mix of PCM samples and virtual analog modeling. So I guess it's the latest iteration of Roland's D-50 synthesis technology, presumably more capable in 2019 than the late 1980s version. https://www.factmag.com/2019/09/05/roland-mc-707-mc-101-groovebox-announced/ MusicRadar also has an article but that site has proven to be unreliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthaholic Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Reading up on this new line of workstations, the word 'Supernatural" is nowhere to be found. ð¤ Quote The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers People only say "It's a free country" when they're doing something shitty-Demetri Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboKeys Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 USB sockets for external controllers looks pretty tasty ð I especially like this Doesn't mean that they will necessarily be class compliant - i wouldn't be surprised to find them to be specific to certain Roland products, same as the USB device connectors on the MX-1 mixer. - Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Liking the two pair of stereo sub outs. And the built in audio interface, 3 USB ports for external controllers, inclusion of 5 pin MIDI... Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Reading up on this new line of workstations, the word 'Supernatural" is nowhere to be found. ð¤ Hmm. Although it was non-programmable, the Supernatural violin on my long-gone AX-Synth was pretty amazing. Bummer that SN didn't seem to blossom. Quote -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyray Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The Stereo Analog filters sound really warm and lush with the new sound engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I'm more interested in knowing if they integrated the organ. Yes, check the video at about 1:20, he says the sliders double as organ drawbars. This makes it one of the few boards that can give you simultaneous control to organ drawbars and a battery of real-time synth controls... i.e. arguably a pretty decent functional competitor to a Nord Stage, if you can deal with the added weight. The V-Piano is an engine here yes? So they don"t need multisamples for the pianos it would seem. Right, V-Piano is modeled. I'm sure there are also plenty of multisampled sounds in the Fantom, though at this point user samples do not seem to support multisamples. At the end of the day, I can't yet clearly summarize what this allows me to do that I can't do with my FA-07. Well, it will have a different sound set. But in terms of other differences, it has aftertouch, touchscreen, metal build, better action, internal power supply, far greater number of real-time controls (including endless encoders with LED indicators, sliders with LED indicators, dedicated synth controls), analog filter, sophisticated Logic/Mainstage integration, full patch remain when switching among all sounds, a lot more rear panel connectivity, 2 GB sample space, more MIDI controller zone functions, motional pad to transition between sounds... that's what I see so far. ;-) Sequencer looks like it could be more capable, but I don't know much about that side of things. What happened to Roland being the value for your $ synth manufacturer? ouch. Hmm. Well, they haven't had high-end models since they discontinued the Fantom G, but were their older Fantoms priced more aggressively than competitive Yamaha/Korg/Kurzweil workstations? I don't remember. Also borrows from the Kronos (now almost everybody has jumped on the touch screen bandwagon & about time). Love Roland sounds & the configuration looks intuitive but it gained weight, not a gigging board. The 61 is in the same range as a Kronos or Montage, and may be tolerable in the low 30s. But the 88 is for pros with roadies and backline companies. For the rest of us, I think it's likely to be a stay-at-home board. But I think that's largely true of the other 88 key flagships as well. Anyway, I'm glad it's heavy. Otherwise I might be tempted to buy one. ;-) Anyway, my initial though is.... I want one They've finally come out with the kind of board you've been looking for! I remember the Fantom X didn"t have audio recording at first, that was added with the 2.0 update. So adding multi-sampling with an update sounds possible to me. They added multisampling to the Juno DS with its 2.0 update, too. The 2 GB of memory certainly supports it, they probably just need more time for the software. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 USB sockets for external controllers looks pretty tasty ð I especially like this I saw that. Yamaha P125 under a Fantom 6 or 7 is a sweet rig (assuming the organs are up to scratch) although a bit heavy for a top board. Cheers, Mike. I used to haul my Fantom X6 all over so I can deal. Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael_I Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I am looking for my next "main" board to support multi-sampling. Currently the Forte is leading. I intend to heavily sample sounds I've made in the studio for playing out, and so the Montage/Forte/Kronos seem to be the players in that space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRW Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 The price is way off, but this has lots of good stuff in it. The V-Piano, the USB power ports, the impressive Logic / Mainstage integration and most importantly - a proper sequencer with three different approaches to it. I think it's funny how much it really does look like the MONTAGE. And at least based on the Tibbs Guitar Center demo, there seems to be some sort of "motion sequencing" going on in the Fantom as well (although nowhere near that deep, it seems). it's funny that now all the major three manufacturers are in a sense using the same "grid style" GUI. First the Kronos, then the MONTAGE and now this. And at least the latter two are also always in "performance mode" - although Roland has been doing it a bit longer, since the Jupiter-80 I think. Hate the red stripe on the back!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 USB sockets for external controllers looks pretty tasty ð I especially like this Doesn't mean that they will necessarily be class compliant - i wouldn't be surprised to find them to be specific to certain Roland products, same as the USB device connectors on the MX-1 mixer. - Jimbo The manual online is incomplete but it does say on the connections page: - "EXT DEVICE jack (1, 2, 3) Connect these to an external USB device." so there is hope... Quote Nord Stage 2EX | Nord Wave | Mainstage | Key Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizzle Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 It'll be interesting to see if the Fantom technology trickles down to some form of FA 06 successor. Quote It's not a clone, it's a Suzuki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 It'll be interesting to see if the Fantom technology trickles down to some form of FA 06 predecessor. Of course it will. 18-24 months from now. And I assume you mean successor? Quote gear list.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKittel Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I like it a lot that they just surprise us with new instruments without any âcoming soon' teaser bullshit... watch this Kurzweil folks! Hope K" will speed up their OS 4.0 release before I'll take a closer look to the new Forte rival. Quote LIFE IS SHORT, GO GET THE GEAR YOU WANT ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizzle Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 It'll be interesting to see if the Fantom technology trickles down to some form of FA 06 predecessor. Of course it will. 18-24 months from now. And I assume you mean successor? Oh yeah. Too early over here... Quote It's not a clone, it's a Suzuki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadroj Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I much preferred the FA to my MODX. I think I just like Roland. I love the red and the aluminium. If they"re electro mechanical sounds are up to scratch I can see myself GASing for it. Assuming you can run the organ out a separate output to put through a Lester K or something. Quote Hammond SKX Mainstage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 My first board ever was a Roland, i"m emotionally attached to the brand - for some things that 'Roland sound' is just great. This looks really sweet for function and capability - it also looks absolutely ginormous! Holy crap it looks huge in every direction possible. I didnt check weight specs, i assume its heavy too. I"d be a 7 customer so expecting in the 40 lb ballpark which means it needs (imo) a sturdy case so another 30-40 lbs for case. Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickzjamm Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Also seeing a lot of Dexibell approach in this (yes, Dexibell is a spawn of Roland alumni). Quote You don't know you're in the dark until you're in the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just checked the specs regarding weight. The new Fantom 6 is 33lbs. The old Fantom G6 was 32lbs. Also, I may be in very big trouble: The usual suspects have them in stock. Now. My wallet just went into hiding.... Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnector Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 This looks pretty awesome, except....I can't believe it doesn't have at least the multi-sampling ability of the Juno DS series. They added that feature later as an update for the DS line. That's all I ever wanted with the FA series, but of course they've never added it, so I've never bought one. They're so close with this new Fantom. Looks like a great board, but typical of Roland it has a big WTF hovering over it. Give us all the beans Roland. Not everyone wants to use this tied to a DAW or Mainstage. For the size, weight & price tag it should be fully capable of everything in a standalone setup. Here's to hoping....again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickzjamm Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I was in the process of selling a couple of boards to buy... think I know the answer. Quote You don't know you're in the dark until you're in the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Totally irrelevant, but my OCD hates how they use inconsistent typography for the product logo. Caps except for the n and m? I"m sure it"s intentional, because that"s not something that would slip through the cracks. Weird how only the FA seem intended as Caps, but the T and O are still caps even though they are slightly smaller. Or it"s like the FA are a different font, but that still doesn"t explain the mismatch of the nTOm. The Montage aesthetic, yet again! My OCD hates how they"ve never spelled phantom correctly. Quote ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 USB sockets for external controllers looks pretty tasty ð I especially like this Doesn't mean that they will necessarily be class compliant - i wouldn't be surprised to find them to be specific to certain Roland products, same as the USB device connectors on the MX-1 mixer. - Jimbo The manual online is incomplete but it does say on the connections page: - "EXT DEVICE jack (1, 2, 3) Connect these to an external USB device." so there is hope... The Anderton Music demo in the OP says all three are class-compliant and specifically mentions controlling the OP1 and Seaboard. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Assuming you can run the organ out a separate output to put through a Lester K or something. Yes, there are two stereo Sub Outs. I can't believe it doesn't have at least the multi-sampling ability of the Juno DS series. They added that feature later as an update for the DS line. That's all I ever wanted with the FA series, but of course they've never added it, so I've never bought one. It is a shame it never came to the FA. I'm guessing the hardware (i.e. sufficient usable rewritable flash) wasn't there to support it. (Though I had thought that maybe they could repurpose the memory for one of the two slots, giving users a choice as to whether to use that memory for a second expansion or custom samples.) Anyway, the Fantom has 2 GB, so I'd be surprised if we didn't see the multisampling added down the road. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickzjamm Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 And I'm sure the Axial toolbox will bring some nice organs, brass etc. in the future. Roland's been pretty good about freebie sounds & OS updates. Quote You don't know you're in the dark until you're in the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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