Music Player Network

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Winter NAMMticipation 2020 #3006032 09/01/19 07:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 11,444
Geoff Grace Offline OP
MPN Advisory Board
10k Club
OP Offline
MPN Advisory Board
10k Club
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 11,444
As most of you know, the 2020 Winter NAMM Show will begin Thursday, January 16th at the Anaheim Convention Center, and run through Sunday, the 19th. Like last year, there are three threads: 1) an advance thread for rumors, speculation, wish lists, and early product announcements, or "NAMMticipation" as I like to call it, 2) an advance thread for planning: how to get passes, when and where to meet up with other forum members, etc., and 3) the traditional NAMM Reports thread for product announcements, videos, and reports from members on what and who they saw at the Convention Center.

This, of course, is the rumors, speculation, wish lists, and early product announcements thread. Feel free to post anything of that nature below.

Best,

Geoff


Enthusiasm powers the world.

Craig Anderton's Archiving Article
KC Island
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006081 09/02/19 02:43 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 300
Fleer Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 300
Heard something about a new Roland synth in the grapevine.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006085 09/02/19 03:45 AM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 10,901
nursers Offline
10k Club
Offline
10k Club
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 10,901
A wish: a non piano-weighted version of the MODX8. I love my MODX7 to bits, but would totally plonk down the cash for a MODX8 with lighter keys. Would probably sell me Kronos LE 88 even though it's obviously a much deeper board in a lot of ways.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006113 09/02/19 12:32 PM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 300
Fleer Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 300
Good point indeed. Didn’t like my MODX8 and got a MODX6 instead, compact and lightweight, but would love to have another MODX8 with waterfall keys.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006114 09/02/19 12:54 PM
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 11,419
Synthoid Offline
10k Club
Offline
10k Club
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 11,419





When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray.
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Fleer] #3006116 09/02/19 01:49 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,837
Moonglow Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,837
Originally Posted by Fleer
Heard something about a new Roland synth in the grapevine.
I spoke with someone at Gearfest regarding the lack of a Roland flagship board since the Jupiter-80. I also mentioned that it would be cool to have a keyboard version of an Integra-7. My Roland “wish list” keyboard would be an RD-2000 with a built-in Integra 7. Unlike the previous year, I left that conversation feeling guardedly hopeful/optimistic.


"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing."
- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006122 09/02/19 03:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 396
U
Ulf Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
U
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 396
NAMM 2020 rumors already? Well, why not - I just decided I will go there in January!


Rock bottom bass
Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig!
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006132 09/02/19 04:04 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,050
W
wd8dky Offline
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
W
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,050
I heard that Fleetwood Mac teamed up with <can't say because of NDA> to introduce a VSTi called "Rumours" which will include all synth and keys sounds from the namesake album, plus expansion packs for the song "Rumors" by Timex Social Club, "Rumor" by Lee Brice, and "Rumor Has It" as recorded by Adele, Clay Walker, Donna Summer, and Reba McEntire.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006141 09/02/19 05:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Lady Gaia Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
I agree that Roland is due for a flagship update. I just haven't seen enough meaningful signal from the rumor mill to distinguish a collective feeling that there should be something in the works from something actually happening. Still, with Roland being quite visibly invested in MIDI 2.0, I can see launching an ambitious monster as a great way to re-establish some leadership in synth innovation. If it builds on ACB modeling and the Integra-7 style SuperNatural in a single unit I'd be intrigued. Doubly so if it had a great poly aftertouch action (but then I'd take a long hard look at anyone who checks that particular box.)

Prior to NAMM we'll almost certainly see what Sequential has up their collective sleeve. This past NAMM they set the expectation that they'd unveil something new this summer. Even if it's taking a little longer than expected, we should see something in the next month or two.


Acoustic: Shigeru Kawai SK-7 ~ Breedlove C2/R
MIDI: Kurzweil Forte ~ Sequential Prophet X ~ Roland TD11KV
Electric: Schecter Solo Custom Exotic, C-1 Classic, Hellraiser Extreme
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Lady Gaia] #3006150 09/02/19 06:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,766
Marzzz Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,766
Originally Posted by Lady Gaia
I agree that Roland is due for a flagship update.
I am waiting to see if the Roland/Studioelectronics polysynth is going to happen- I would love to see an updated Omega/Code 8.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Lady Gaia] #3006206 09/03/19 12:30 AM
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,313
realtrance Offline
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,313
Originally Posted by Lady Gaia
I agree that Roland is due for a flagship update. I just haven't seen enough meaningful signal from the rumor mill to distinguish a collective feeling that there should be something in the works from something actually happening. Still, with Roland being quite visibly invested in MIDI 2.0, I can see launching an ambitious monster as a great way to re-establish some leadership in synth innovation. If it builds on ACB modeling and the Integra-7 style SuperNatural in a single unit I'd be intrigued. Doubly so if it had a great poly aftertouch action (but then I'd take a long hard look at anyone who checks that particular box.)

Prior to NAMM we'll almost certainly see what Sequential has up their collective sleeve. This past NAMM they set the expectation that they'd unveil something new this summer. Even if it's taking a little longer than expected, we should see something in the next month or two.


My dream Roland next step would be for them to yes, integrate ACB/DCB with their Integra engine and sampleset in a full, solid workstation. It would be a kind of “roll your own Roland Classic Synth,” with access to all the existing models of filters and oscillators to mix and match, such as they’ve started to evolve the System 8 towards.

Then you could mix those results with anything in Integra (or nothing) you’d like.

With the full suite of COSM models, to boot, and Roland’s wide array of tasty and very flexible effects.

This could be a real capstone of the company’s efforts the past decade.

OTOH Roland is always full of surprises, so it might be something else entirely! The remainder of the System 100/700 modules in their System 500 series; more Boutiques; something entirely new!

Will be fun to see, in any event. Just hope they don’t ship it right into a global recession, which seems to be their luck sometimes.

Last edited by realtrance; 09/03/19 04:34 PM.
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006225 09/03/19 03:34 AM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,568
CEB Offline
10k Club
Offline
10k Club
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,568
Behringer announces a future Fairlight CMI clone complete with monochrome green screen monitor for $499.99.







Last edited by CEB; 09/03/19 03:35 AM.

"It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne

"A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!!
So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006270 09/03/19 12:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
mauriziodececco Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 317
Nord Lead.

No, seriously, Clavia introduced new models for all the products but the NL4/NL A1; it is not clear if they want to continue the game,
but if they do, it may happens this time (if they had time from all the bug fixing in the NS3).

Maurizio


Nord Electro 5HP, OB-6, Mac Pro, Komplete 11, Arturia collection V, cubase Pro 9.5, Rameau upright.
http://www.barbogio.org/
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: CEB] #3006272 09/03/19 12:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 11,419
Synthoid Offline
10k Club
Offline
10k Club
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 11,419
Originally Posted by CEB
Behringer announces a future Fairlight CMI clone


I'm still waiting for the Bynclavier. w00t


When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray.
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Synthoid] #3006274 09/03/19 12:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 7,415
ElmerJFudd Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 7,415
Originally Posted by Synthoid
Originally Posted by CEB
Behringer announces a future Fairlight CMI clone


I'm still waiting for the Bynclavier. w00t



We're going to need Bheringer stickers to put all over our vintage synths.


Live: Casio PX-560, Roland VR-700
Home: Rebuilt 1910 Chickering 5'2", Fender Rhodes MKI 88k, Yamaha S90ES
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006337 09/03/19 07:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 49
F
felis Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
F
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 49
The stuff that was announced already and hasn't shown up will get announced again. deadhorse

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: mauriziodececco] #3006346 09/03/19 08:08 PM
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,432
S
stoken6 Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
S
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,432
Originally Posted by mauriziodececco
Nord Lead.

No, seriously, Clavia introduced new models for all the products but the NL4/NL A1; it is not clear if they want to continue the game,
but if they do, it may happens this time (if they had time from all the bug fixing in the NS3).

Maurizio
What I'd like: A Nord Wave successor. VA that can use Nord's samples in its oscillators.
What I expect: another stage piano.

Cheers, Mike


AX48.PM351.FC7.VFP2
One or two keyboards.
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006551 09/04/19 06:52 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,200
zephonic Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,200
+1 for new Roland flagship. 76 keys with aftertouch, please, and some velvety Roland goodness.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3006610 09/05/19 02:28 AM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Lady Gaia Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Of course Roland also has a history of announcements on 9/9, but have any of them been for professional keys?


Acoustic: Shigeru Kawai SK-7 ~ Breedlove C2/R
MIDI: Kurzweil Forte ~ Sequential Prophet X ~ Roland TD11KV
Electric: Schecter Solo Custom Exotic, C-1 Classic, Hellraiser Extreme
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: zephonic] #3006654 09/05/19 09:27 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,200
zephonic Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,200
Originally Posted by zephonic
+1 for new Roland flagship. 76 keys with aftertouch, please, and some velvety Roland goodness.



Whaddayaknow?!? 12 hours later, my wish has been granted!

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: zephonic] #3006675 09/05/19 12:56 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 910
R
Randelph Offline
Gold Member
Offline
Gold Member
R
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 910
Originally Posted by zephonic
Originally Posted by zephonic
+1 for new Roland flagship. 76 keys with aftertouch, please, and some velvety Roland goodness.



Whaddayaknow?!? 12 hours later, my wish has been granted!

Wow, how did you do that? That was quick! Good job!!!

After seeing how Roland abandoned the Fantom G, if I was interested I'd wait 12-18 months to see what kind of support/OS updates they offer.


Korg PA 1000 / NS 88 Classic / iRig Keys I/O 49
Win10 laptop i7 8GB 500GB
Yamaha melodica, alto recorder / Congas
Roland Street Cube EX / QSC K10, K8.2 / SS V.3 / Klipsch KMC 3
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Fleer] #3006825 09/06/19 09:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 278
R
Radagast Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
R
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 278
Originally Posted by Fleer
Heard something about a new Roland synth in the grapevine.


And here it is. With the recent announcements of all the new Roland gear, the new Hydrasynth, and now a new synth from Modal Electronics, it seems companies don’t want to wait until January NAMM. Is NAMM becoming less important? Will other keyboard companies do the same?

Last edited by Radagast; 09/06/19 09:27 AM.
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3007397 09/10/19 03:59 AM
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 14
Mr. Mojo Risin Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 14
Maybe Korg or Yamaha will respond at NAMM with something new.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Radagast] #3007399 09/10/19 04:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 290
N
Nathanael_I Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
N
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 290
Originally Posted by Radagast
Originally Posted by Fleer
Heard something about a new Roland synth in the grapevine.


And here it is. With the recent announcements of all the new Roland gear, the new Hydrasynth, and now a new synth from Modal Electronics, it seems companies don’t want to wait until January NAMM. Is NAMM becoming less important? Will other keyboard companies do the same?


I think trade shows are less important every year. They only exist because of human relationship, I think. Many industries have their major announcements outside the show window - it is too crowded. Your message is lost in a feed of hundreds of vendors. Its not like Roland needs a lot of "press coverage". Free enthusiasts sites get the word out to everyone who cares within hours. Better to spend on social media "influencers" than show journalists.... The world has changed.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015158 11/07/19 12:31 AM
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 281
Docbop Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 281
Okay it's November so no NAMM leaks or comments yet?

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015220 11/07/19 06:33 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,071
drawback Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,071
How about a wish list? I'd like to see a decent quality semi-weighted controller (61 keys minimum, no diving boards) with MIDI & Bluetooth, 9 buttons & sliders, panel transpose, pitch & mod wheels, two pedal jacks, powered by any user option of AC, USB & Batteries.



Arturia Keylab MKii 88 | Mojo61 A/B | iConnectAudio4+ > iOS / MacOS
VI Ravenscroft | Neo-Soul Studio | Acoustic Samples V-Tines | iSymphonic | Pure Synth Platinum | iFretless Bass
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: drawback] #3015264 11/08/19 12:37 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 49
F
felis Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
F
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by drawback
How about a wish list? I'd like to see a decent quality semi-weighted controller (61 keys minimum, no diving boards) with MIDI & Bluetooth, 9 buttons & sliders, panel transpose, pitch & mod wheels, two pedal jacks, powered by any user option of AC, USB & Batteries.




Is this one close enough for you? : https://www.arturia.com/products/hybrid-synths/keylab-mkii/overview

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015266 11/08/19 01:16 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,200
zephonic Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,200
As far as keys go, I’m oddly wish-less this time around. There’s a new Fantom, there’s a CP88, and there’s an SKX. Those three boards pretty much cover everything I want.

It feels weird not longing for something that doesn’t exist.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: felis] #3015268 11/08/19 01:31 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,071
drawback Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 4,071
Originally Posted by felis
Originally Posted by drawback
How about a wish list? I'd like to see a decent quality semi-weighted controller (61 keys minimum, no diving boards) with MIDI & Bluetooth, 9 buttons & sliders, panel transpose, pitch & mod wheels, two pedal jacks, powered by any user option of AC, USB & Batteries.




Is this one close enough for you? : https://www.arturia.com/products/hybrid-synths/keylab-mkii/overview


er.... well, not quite. wink This has diving board keys, no Bluetooth, no battery power. I like Arturia though, I have a MKII 88.


Arturia Keylab MKii 88 | Mojo61 A/B | iConnectAudio4+ > iOS / MacOS
VI Ravenscroft | Neo-Soul Studio | Acoustic Samples V-Tines | iSymphonic | Pure Synth Platinum | iFretless Bass
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015275 11/08/19 02:41 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 300
Fleer Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 300
Kronos 3.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015276 11/08/19 03:30 AM
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,415
Tom Williams Offline
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,415
Wish list, huh? Okay:
  • Windows editor for the Roland AX-Edge.
  • An optical stereo analog volume pedal.
  • Invisible Stand reboot made of carbon fiber.
  • A real follow-on to the Casio PX-5S with similar or better MIDI controller capabilities.
  • Is it too early to ask for a PC4-76 or -61?


-Tom Williams
<First name><At>AirNetworking<dot>com
PC361, PX-5S, AX-Edge
M-Audio Keystation 88, Axiom 61
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Tom Williams] #3015281 11/08/19 04:31 AM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Lady Gaia Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by Tom Williams

Is it too early to ask for a PC4-76 or -61?


There are a lot of people who are joining you in that particular wish, so I’d say it’s definitely not too early. My own wish list?

On the Kurzweil front, I don’t expect they’ll keep the Forte in market for too long with the surprising list of missing features compared to the PC4. It’s still their flagship and I still love mine, of course. The 16GB of factory samples are lovely, as is the keyboard action and the LED ladders on sliders. On the other hand, the PC4’s polyphony advantage, 1/4” audio inputs, addition of potentiometers to the real-time control set, and dedicated buttons for sequencer transport, arpeggiator, and editing are all conspicuously absent on the flagship. I would love to see a proper successor, but I’d settle for a Forte v4 that simply adds a few of these niceties (as I’m looking for a second Kurzweil in a different location.)

I’d love to see the Pro 3 Sequential trademarked earlier in the year. I only narrowly revisited temptation with the Pro 2, so depending on what direction it goes I may be unable to hold back. There’s serious danger of something along these lines getting me to tinker with Eurorack and I’m not sure that’s a good thing.

I’m eager to see the next round of high-end analog poly keyboards now that the Moog One is out there. Will Roland finally deliver another collaboration with Studio Electronics? Will Sequential throw its hat in that ring with a dual filter poly?

I also half expect a true Montage successor in 2020 or 2021. If they improve usability, perhaps moving to a capacitive touchscreen along the way, I could be tempted to stray from Kurzweil depending on the rest of the feature set and character of any expansions to the ROM sample set.


Acoustic: Shigeru Kawai SK-7 ~ Breedlove C2/R
MIDI: Kurzweil Forte ~ Sequential Prophet X ~ Roland TD11KV
Electric: Schecter Solo Custom Exotic, C-1 Classic, Hellraiser Extreme
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015339 11/08/19 06:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,377
S
Stokely Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
S
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,377
All I know is, I'm REALLY looking forward to the ASM Hydrasynth. Not least because it should make a really good home studio controller (poly aftertouch, ribbon). Fairly sure it could do analog-type sounds for cover band use as well, though most demos have concentrated on the crazy stuff (and who can blame them!)

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: drawback] #3015371 11/09/19 01:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 49
F
felis Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
F
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by drawback

er.... well, not quite. wink This has diving board keys, no Bluetooth, no battery power. I like Arturia though, I have a MKII 88.


I think you're in for a long wait.

Wish list for me - the PC4 pretty much took care of it.
Anything else that I don't already have would be icing on the cake (and superfluous).

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015373 11/09/19 01:38 AM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,966
Synthaholic Offline
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,966
I’d like to see the big 4 compete with the Numa Compact 2x. Can Roland or Korg pack that much value in a comparably-priced board? I’d love to see them try. smile


The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers

People only say "It's a free country" when they're doing something shitty-Demetri Martin
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015420 11/09/19 06:12 PM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,837
Moonglow Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,837
Nord Piano - Rack


"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing."
- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Stokely] #3015449 11/10/19 12:12 AM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Lady Gaia Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by Stokely
All I know is, I'm REALLY looking forward to the ASM Hydrasynth. Not least because it should make a really good home studio controller (poly aftertouch, ribbon).


As much as I admire many of the Hydrasynth's features, there's never been a moment in one of the demos when I thought that sounds great. It has that in common with Waldorf's Kyra. Quite the contrast to the Super 6 which had me spellbound from the outset despite the relatively simple architecture. I do hope ASM manages to kick off renewed interest in poly aftertouch, though, and would welcome more instruments or controllers that bring this long dormant MIDI capability back to life.


Acoustic: Shigeru Kawai SK-7 ~ Breedlove C2/R
MIDI: Kurzweil Forte ~ Sequential Prophet X ~ Roland TD11KV
Electric: Schecter Solo Custom Exotic, C-1 Classic, Hellraiser Extreme
Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Lady Gaia] #3015471 11/10/19 04:38 AM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,377
S
Stokely Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
S
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,377
Originally Posted by Lady Gaia
Originally Posted by Stokely
All I know is, I'm REALLY looking forward to the ASM Hydrasynth. Not least because it should make a really good home studio controller (poly aftertouch, ribbon).


As much as I admire many of the Hydrasynth's features, there's never been a moment in one of the demos when I thought that sounds great. It has that in common with Waldorf's Kyra. Quite the contrast to the Super 6 which had me spellbound from the outset despite the relatively simple architecture. I do hope ASM manages to kick off renewed interest in poly aftertouch, though, and would welcome more instruments or controllers that bring this long dormant MIDI capability back to life.


I actually kind of agree...from demos, I'm actually more interested in the Prophet rev2, partly because I've wanted a Prophet for 30+ years grin But I am partial to that traditional analog sound. So I'll have to see if the Hydrasynth than do the simpler stuff as well. There have been a few patches and stretches in the demos I have heard that give me some optimism ....but I may end up with a Prophet rev2 at the end of the day just to hit a bucket list item smile

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Stokely] #3015473 11/10/19 04:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 290
N
Nathanael_I Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
N
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 290
Originally Posted by Stokely
All I know is, I'm REALLY looking forward to the ASM Hydrasynth. Not least because it should make a really good home studio controller (poly aftertouch, ribbon). Fairly sure it could do analog-type sounds for cover band use as well, though most demos have concentrated on the crazy stuff (and who can blame them!)


The Poly-AT is definitely interesting. I have a VAX-77 as my synth controller keyboard. It is more expressive than anything besides a Roli Seaboard. And for most things, it is better than the Seaboard for the simple reason that piano technique works on it. For monophonic lines the Roli is better. The Hakken Continuum is better yet, once one decides that a piano style keyboard is optional.

The great thing about the ASM is that it has powerful oscillators. This is the next trend in synthesis. The basic subtractive waves are too static and simple. Morphing oscillators, wavetables, even the mighty Schmidt 8 voice has this in pure analog. It has oscillators that use cascaded ring-modulation to produce very "non-analog" sounds. Sure, it can do a saw filtered pad. But why? It can do so much more. The ASM is this way, as is the Quantum. Filtering is filtering, but if the oscillators have life in them through extensive modulation, it makes the whole sound better and more interesting.

I think this is also why the initial demos are underwhelming. Taken just as subtractive synths, they don't sound THAT different. But if you don't rush for the filters to remove the harmonics, but instead linger in the oscillators and use several of those five envelopes.... that's where the new sounds live. The Schmidt is this way. The Bowen Solaris is this way. The Non-Linear Labs C-15 is this way, and then has a comb filter too. None have "blow you away" presets. But if you take the time, they can be truly unique, outstanding and special. These new synths masquerade with familiar terms, but they really have to be approached differently to find their true voice. And that voice isn't a Moog or a Prophet.

Real instruments have complex oscillators and resonant bodies that radically filter and shape the sound. These new synths all approximate that in a different way. But I think that the focus on "better oscillators" is interesting. It crosses vendors. Add in a better keyboard, and it is sure to have new sounds and expression in it. The price is fantastic.

Re: Winter NAMMticipation 2020 [Re: Geoff Grace] #3015891 11/12/19 10:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,206
F
fjzingo Offline
Platinum Member
Offline
Platinum Member
F
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,206
Difficult to say, an upgraded yamaha montage, a nord stage with kawai keys, nord modular g3 + nord keytar 1. Korg will relase a kronoskiller,

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Dave Bryce, Stephen Fortner 

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3