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Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? #3005579 08/29/19 01:14 AM
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Hello!

I've tried them both. I love them both. I can buy ONE only for around $600 USD -Good deal given I live in Mexico and both are in great conditions-

NOW I need you guys to tell me which one would you choose and why... maybe I'm missing something...


The TRINITY has all the MOSS Expansions. Awesome. What a SYNTH. Expressive. Light and sexy. Boring regular keys for being a 76-keys synth.


The K2500XS ... well, was used by Rick Wright... it sounds like Floyd's "Pulse". Nice keys, heavy as hell. Boring black. Awesome pianos and organs.

So... ?


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005583 08/29/19 02:24 AM
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Short answer: The Kurzweil. Its the better workhorse. The "nice keys" will come to mean more and more over time. Kurzweil has earned its good name repeatedly. This model has every form of connection known pre-USB & Firewire, so MIDI, ADAT and SCSI will present their own requirements and issues. You'll have to chase down a few pieces such as third-party sounds and various cables, but there is a small, steady pro users group to draw on. You can bring a 2500XS very close to current standards. Its probably not the sampler of choice in a software world and although its a powerful synth, you have to put added effort into programming sounds from the ground up. All of that said, it covers a LOT of ground beautifully. You can take up a modest VA synth for that area of sounds if you need them, but a K will do pretty much everything else. If its going to stay in the studio, even moreso.

I love my own Korgs, but the age of the Trinity is a serious issue, especially where the touchscreen is concerned. It has a nice sequencer to offer and a surprisingly crisp soundset for the modest amount of ROM provided. Like the Kurzweil, this one is also from the ADAT/SCSI era, so no quick USB stick transfers! Which is the better choice depends on your personal variables, including what you already own and what either of these adds to your existing rig. IMO, the Kurzweil has the clear edge in both range of functions and out-of-the-box playability.


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005590 08/29/19 03:35 AM
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Gus, I can't argue with David's reasoning, but if you can scrape up the cash, buy them both! If you're serious that that Korg has all the MOSS expansions in it, they may be worth as much as the keyboard itself! Has the used market changed that much since a friend of mine sold a loaded Trinity on Ebay, had the seller rip out the MOSS board and send the empty keyboard back, and then have Ebay bust him for fraud for selling an "empty" machine when he'd promised the board?


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005591 08/29/19 03:44 AM
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both of them being 25 years or so of age, I would buy the one with weighted keys if it didn't need to be moved. You could always use it as a controller for VST's and app's if the audio outputs go bad


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005592 08/29/19 04:09 AM
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So Kurzweil is winning...

But Mike, YES, the Trinity it has all the expansion boards. So the bang on the buck is high.


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: davedoerfler] #3005593 08/29/19 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
both of them being 25 years or so of age, I would buy the one with weighted keys if it didn't need to be moved. You could always use it as a controller for VST's and app's if the audio outputs go bad


Hi Dave!

That is why I have an ENSONIQ ZR76. Nice keys, awesome "Real Piano" expansion board, for its age. And YES, it is also my main MIDI controller in my studio.

The Trinity won't replace it because it does not have weighted keys; that would be the job of the K2500 if I buy it.

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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005595 08/29/19 04:32 AM
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My concern would be build quality on that K2500XS. Make sure all of the buttons work. cool


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: ProfD] #3005598 08/29/19 05:19 AM
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Speaking of build quality... does that Kurz model suffer from the broken key weights that the PC88 was (in)famous for?


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005600 08/29/19 05:39 AM
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Casio CZ-101. I love nonvelocity mini keys, no samples, no filters. Actually DO love my CZ101. Shame people are so short minded.....except keys....I agree, keys absolutely SUCK on the CZ-101....unbearable.


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005618 08/29/19 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gus Lozada
YES, the Trinity it has all the expansion boards. So the bang on the buck is high.


I would buy the Trinity. Can't stand all that menu diving with Kurzweil and that tiny screen. pop

Try offering the seller $500 for the Trinity.


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005619 08/29/19 11:54 AM
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Neither. They're both old and parts are hard to find. Once something breaks it will cost you more than what you paid for them to get them fixed. Then they become $600 heavy paperweights. Spend a litle more and get a more reliable keyboard that you can get parts for it. I have a GEM Equinox for sale that when it came out was known as the "Poor man's K2500". I'll sell it to you cheaper than either board. Everything works on it.

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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005628 08/29/19 01:34 PM
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If the K2500 has the KDFX effects processor in it then probably go for it. I was told by several people back in the day that Rick Wright used my KeySolutions Steinway D sample in his K2500 but I was never able to verify it. As mentioned, do verify that all the buttons work.

I always like the Trinity. Pristine, crisp sound compared to the Triton that followed it.

Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Mike Martin] #3005631 08/29/19 02:07 PM
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I bought a fully optioned K2500XS in 1996 as a graduation present for myself. (MBA at 45). I still have it.

The good:
- VAST: it’s nutty good and musician oriented.
- Wide range of built in and optional sounds.
- weighted keys work well for a wide range of samples
- Aftertouch works well.
I would go further, but this is a very long list.

The bad:
- Over 80lbs with options. And I got older.
- Yes, menu diving is tedious.
- Individual (obsolete Fatar) keys wear out. I moved many center keys to the high and low ends of the keyboard.
- Weighted keys reach velocity of 127 too easily for piano VSTs.
- I have had to open the unit dozens of times to reseat connectors and repair keys. Lots and lots of little screws.

My best use of this board was for pit orchestra in Broadway shows.

Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005685 08/29/19 11:36 PM
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I'd go for the fully-loaded Trinity myself, seems to be a better bang for the buck, especially with the MOSS option. I have a ProX and absolutely love it, even though it's not fully loaded.


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005714 08/30/19 03:11 AM
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I'm a Kurzweil partisan. If I were limited for the rest of my life to just one instrument, I would be pretty content / happy with any K2500 or later, PC3, or Forte, because the synth engine underneath that nice piano is just so darned versatile.

That said, if you get the 2500 and want to use it for B3 sounds, make sure you have either a Leslie or a Lester K or something to play the organ through. The KB3 organ itself is quite nice, but the K2500's Leslie effect -- with or without KDFX -- is crap.


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Re: Quick Poll: Kurzweil K2500SX or TRINITY V3 Pro ? [Re: Gus Lozada] #3005729 08/30/19 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gus Lozada
...I live in Mexico....

Is it going to be more difficult handling parts and repairs living in Mexico? Probably?

Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
...Spend a litle more and get a more reliable keyboard that you can get parts for it.

Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
...I have a GEM Equinox for sale....

Originally Posted by Delaware Dave
...Will only ship within the US....




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