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Heart Rig Rundown #3002875 08/12/19 11:11 AM
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Hey KC buds,

As some of you know, I've been playing with Ann Wilson for the last couple of years. I was asked to do Heart this year, and seized the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to expand upon the already somewhat silly Ann Wilson rig (NS2, CP-300, Mellotron M4000D, OB-6, Petosa Little Pro X) with some more fun additions, including a Minimoog Model D Reissue, a Leslie cabinet, and a one-off custom preamp from Trek II (no, Michael doesn't want to make any more of these!)

Jon Regen let me submit a rig tour video, and it's up on the front page at KeyboardMag.com today.



I got into about as much detail in the video as the production schedule for the day permitted, and necessarily glossed over a few things, so questions are welcome! However, anyone making comments about how I could have done all this with a laptop and a couple of cheap controllers from Guitar Center will be blocked and reported for being a spoilsport. cop

I don't originate threads here very often, so on a side note I just wanted to say thanks to Dave Bryce and everyone else who worked their tails off over the last couple years to keep this forum in existence and updated. It's a great community that I've learned a lot from over the years, and I'm very glad it's still here.

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Awesome, Dan! It looks like you're having a blast. I'm really looking forward to seeing you guys live next week. thu


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Be sure and show up for the opener, Joe – Elle King and her band are sounding fantastic, and her keyboardist is rocking a MAG through a Leslie 145 and a Wurly among other items. Sounds fantastic.

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Originally Posted by mynameisdanno
Be sure and show up for the opener, Joe – Elle King and her band are sounding fantastic, and her keyboardist is rocking a MAG through a Leslie 145 and a Wurly among other items. Sounds fantastic.

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Great tour... much appreciated! thu


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I really like your rig Dan! Very nice. Never heard about that clock sync unit you have lying next to the Nord. Interesting thing.

Thanks for sharing this!


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Great vid - thanks for sharing Dan!

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Thanks a lot for sharing all this. I have listened to the studio and live versions of "Crazy On You" multiple times trying to figure out exactly what keyboard/synth sounds were being used, and it has always seemed a bit of a mystery to me.

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Thanks for sharing Dan, great well thought out rig that can cover anything!! Are you running a seperate midi channel from the Nord AP going to your Yamaha controller so you can play both at the same time?


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Thanks so much for sharing! Awesome setup; a very cool blend of analog and digital technologies. You've got the kind of routing flexibility I'd love to have if I hadn't already maxed out my practical gear hauling/setup time at the weekend warrior level. I'm very happy that Heart is back at it. I know some issues arose during the tour a few years back, so I'm glad Ann and Nancy are back up there together.

Also, at 8:47, sounds like somebody discovered a secret in the dungeon! wink


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What blows me away most about that video is that rig needs to be set up for every gig. *I'd* probably get it wrong half the time if it were my rig! I know, the cables are marked and all that, but still, there's a heckuva lot going on there. Kudos to Roland Lindz Mckay and anyone else for keeping things running!


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Dan awesome f-cking rig!!! I love multi-keyboard set ups. Mike over at Trek is a genius. That Leslie interface is bad ass! It's great you have contingency things in place. I love the logistical portion of the video. I think it's as interesting as the keyboards you have.


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you rock star, you. Thanks for doing this and sharing.
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What a cool gig to have Dan!

I was inspired to listen to These Dreams again, and it's cooler than I remember (loads of songs do a call/response-style echo of the previous line, but this is the only one I can think of that pre-echoes the next line).

On which point - how do you get the minor-third bend on the string line at the end of the intro/choruses? Nord's 2-semitone pitch bend limit is not your friend here!

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Really enjoyed that Dan, thanks for sharing! I liked how you said the Nord Stage 2 was the “heart” of your rig.

I had a lot fun playing in a Heart tribute band for a couple of years (I was pleasantly surprised at the number of cool keys parts in their tunes) and it’s great to see how you put your rig together to accomplish some of those classic patches. I’ve never known there to be a lot of Hammond in their songs, is this your contribution? Also, do you get a moment when you do a keys intro/solo?

I see Heart will be in Peoria, Illinois on October 10th. I’ve never heard the band live before, going to try to get there. Will be great to see “one of our very own” in action. twothumbs


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Fantastic rig, Dan. Nice balance of old and new tech. Speaking of "These Dreams" the previous Keyboardist played it a lot different than the recording on a Kurzweil. Any reason she changed it and are you able/allowed to play it like the recording? Also, did you get an isolated track to work from and know what Synth was used on the original?


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Originally Posted by Moonglow
Really enjoyed that Dan, thanks for sharing! I see Heart will be in Peoria, Illinois on October 10th. I’ve never heard the band live before, going to try to get there. Will be great to see “one of our very own” in action. twothumbs


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Dan, get yourself a quick break after soundcheck for a bite or a beer.

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Hell, you don't even need a laptop, just a coupla midi controllers and an iPad! lol!

How long would it take for a single roadie to move and set all that up? I'm guessing 2-3 hours. But the real question is how long it took to get dialed in. Your redundancies and fx are pretty awesome, your whole rig looks like it was evolved over 20 years time.


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Originally Posted by RudyS
Never heard about that clock sync unit you have lying next to the Nord.


It's a great little widget! For the last couple years with Ann's solo band, we were covering "Won't Get Fooled Again" and I came across it in my quest to play that song without having to play a thousand eighth note chords, or resort to a backing track. I used it to drive a Boss SL20 which was on the outputs of the OB6. I've also used it to drive the arpeggiator on the Nord, etc. It's not actually currently in use for any clock sync needs in the setlist we're currently playing, but I'm also using one of the outputs in MIDI CC mode to make a couple of routing adjustments to the Midas MR18 without having to connect the iPad, so in the rig it stays.

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Originally Posted by mynameisdanno
Originally Posted by RudyS
Never heard about that clock sync unit you have lying next to the Nord.


It's a great little widget! For the last couple years with Ann's solo band, we were covering "Won't Get Fooled Again" and I came across it in my quest to play that song without having to play a thousand eighth note chords, or resort to a backing track.
BRILLIANT!


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Originally Posted by harmonizer
Thanks a lot for sharing all this. I have listened to the studio and live versions of "Crazy On You" multiple times trying to figure out exactly what keyboard/synth sounds were being used, and it has always seemed a bit of a mystery to me.


There's not much keys on the original. There's a little Moog filter sweep on the end and I think perhaps it doubles the bass behind the first big chorus riff. The background flute lines that happen on the verses were recorded by Ann on actual flute, I believe, but I play them on the 'Tron. In the context of the back half of a big rock show, it's a strangely empty-sounding arrangement if you try to play it just like the record, so I also add a little Wurly on the prechoruses and choruses, as at least a couple of my predecessors have also done.

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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Thanks for sharing Dan, great well thought out rig that can cover anything!! Are you running a seperate midi channel from the Nord AP going to your Yamaha controller so you can play both at the same time?


The CP-300's internal sounds are not used at all, it's purely a MIDI controller for the Nord Stage 2's "Dual KB" mode. A great clean simple implementation, "Slot A" is the built-in keyboard and "Slot B" is what's controller by the Yamaha.

The other advantage of the CP-300 besides the built-in speakers is the nice giant flat top that the Nord sits on perfectly. The same reasoning steered me towards the full-size M4000D rather than the Mini; the nice flat top is perfectly OB6 sized. I have a strong dislike for most traditional two-tier stands.

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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
You've got the kind of routing flexibility I'd love to have if I hadn't already maxed out my practical gear hauling/setup time at the weekend warrior level.


I also do plenty of small local gigs, one-offs with artists where the rig is whatever you can drag through an airport on your own, etc. I'm used to working that way and enjoy the engineering challenges of designing a rig for those situations too. But the only real design constraint on this one was no more than five inputs to FOH including the Leslie, and it all had to fit on an 8x8 riser. I'm making the most of that relative freedom while I have it!

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Also, at 8:47, sounds like somebody discovered a secret in the dungeon! wink


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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
What blows me away most about that video is that rig needs to be set up for every gig. *I'd* probably get it wrong half the time if it were my rig! I know, the cables are marked and all that, but still, there's a heckuva lot going on there. Kudos to Roland Lindz Mckay and anyone else for keeping things running!


Originally Posted by Randelph
How long would it take for a single roadie to move and set all that up? I'm guessing 2-3 hours. But the real question is how long it took to get dialed in. Your redundancies and fx are pretty awesome, your whole rig looks like it was evolved over 20 years time.


After a lot of hard thinking about what I wanted to be prepared to do on each song, while also trying to maintain flexibility to quickly acommodate different sounds or approaches during rehearsals, I pre-designed the layout of the rack, the signal flow, etc., and bought what I needed. Lindz did all the custom cabling, making of looms, etc. as rehearsals were in progress.

The Ann Wilson solo rig for 2017-2018 was complicated enough, and while I wanted to add the Moog, the Leslie, the MR18, and several effects units this year, I tried to also tweak the design for a quicker and easier setup. One big improvement was moving from a plain shock rack to a slant rack (itself housed inside a larger foamed ATA case for transport), so all the stompboxes could be permanently mounted and wired in, but still easily accessible / controllable. I also had a friend make that wooden mini-riser that the Moog sits on top of (that on a Baby Spider Pro), to which is mounted all three H9's, Strymon Deco, the tuner for the Minimoog, the PSU for all the pedals, the Moog's PSU, etc. All the foot-operated pedals and switches are mounted to boards, as you can see. There are subsnakes or looms wherever more than one cable is going between the same two points.

Since we don't have to worry about loading into any small theater-type venues on this tour, I also had the tour make a giant "vault style" case. It has shelves for the Nord, M4000D, OB6, Minimoog, Minimoog riser/FX board, and both of the floor pedalboards, as well as a spot for the Mellotron legs and the Baby Spider Pro. It cuts way down on the daily stoop labor of pulling things in and out of individual cases on the deck. The CP-300 is still in its own case because it's such a beast, but that one's a two-man lift anyway. I'm not around during setup or teardown, so I honestly have no idea how long it takes Lindz, but I'm told "it's really not that bad." EDIT: Lindz says it generally takes him about an hour and a half to set up, once the riser is built and all the appropriate cases are staged nearby. He does nearly all of it himself, just getting assistance with the few two-man lifts.

I don't worry about the Leslie much. I had a local tech in Seattle service the motors, and I swapped in a rebuilt 122 amp from M&S Organ before I shipped it out for rehearsals. Lindz was Stephen Stills' tech for his Hammond rig on tour for some years years, so I know he'd know how to keep this thing running, and the Mini-Vent is always in place as a "hot swap" backup.

It is NICE having a world class backline tech handling it all. I'm grateful for that every day I'm out with these folks. That, and the fact that nobody's shaking me awake to take my turn driving the van at 4 A.M.


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Originally Posted by stoken6
What a cool gig to have Dan!

I was inspired to listen to These Dreams again, and it's cooler than I remember (loads of songs do a call/response-style echo of the previous line, but this is the only one I can think of that pre-echoes the next line).

On which point - how do you get the minor-third bend on the string line at the end of the intro/choruses? Nord's 2-semitone pitch bend limit is not your friend here!


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Fantastic rig, Dan. Nice balance of old and new tech. Speaking of "These Dreams" the previous Keyboardist played it a lot different than the recording on a Kurzweil. Any reason she changed it and are you able/allowed to play it like the recording? Also, did you get an isolated track to work from and know what Synth was used on the original?


It's a brilliant song, and yeah I love those pre-echoes!

There's always been a lot of freedom for all the players to rearrange things in how this band has operated. There's certainly no level of detail required to the point of unearthing old multitracks. On this tour in particular, both Ann & Nancy have encouraged us all to find ways to steer the 80's material away from the 80's, both sonically and parts-wise (which lines up with my own aesthetic preferences completely). They really are timeless songs once you strip away the sonic signatures of the era. In the case of "These Dreams", Nancy's side project with Liv Warfield, "Roadcase Royale", had already cooked up a great arrangement of the song. Nancy's acoustic drives the bus, there's some great slide guitar commentary, and I'm just playing simple chords on Wurly. No keyboard strings, though I do swell in a super subtle square wave vibrato synth pad thing in a few spots, just to give it a little extra sonic "chill". We're playing that version, and it's one of my favorite moments every night.

Having said that, I was sweating that little pesky detail of the Nord's non-adjustable pitch bender, back before we started discussing approaches in detail! My plan was to make a synth strings patch on the OB-6, or if I couldn't get that to sound right, add a rack rompler. Fortunately, I never had to solve that potential problem.

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Really enjoyed that Dan, thanks for sharing! I liked how you said the Nord Stage 2 was the “heart” of your rig.


As with all my best puns, it was completely unintentional.

Originally Posted by Moonglow
I had a lot fun playing in a Heart tribute band for a couple of years (I was pleasantly surprised at the number of cool keys parts in their tunes) and it’s great to see how you put your rig together to accomplish some of those classic patches. I’ve never known there to be a lot of Hammond in their songs, is this your contribution? Also, do you get a moment when you do a keys intro/solo?


You are absolutely correct. Heart's never been a big Hammond band, but Hammond is just something that is near and dear to me in rock music, and I'm always trying to sneak it in when I can. In Ann's solo band 2017-2018 there was only one guitarist so I was playing a lot of B3 almost out of necessity - on the more rock moments like Barracuda, it was almost like Deep Purple backing up Ann Wilson. She dug it, and it evolved into our approach for some songs to the point to where it made sense to go ahead and bring out a real Leslie this year. Everybody seems to dig it so I'm just going to keep doing it!

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Originally Posted by Moonglow
Really enjoyed that Dan, thanks for sharing! I see Heart will be in Peoria, Illinois on October 10th. I’ve never heard the band live before, going to try to get there. Will be great to see “one of our very own” in action. twothumbs


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Dan, get yourself a quick break after soundcheck for a bite or a beer.


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you rock star, you. Thanks for doing this and sharing.


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Originally Posted by mynameisdanno
"Roadcase Royale"


I met Ben when we opened for Heart a few years ago; we kept in touch for a short while. Upon reading your thread/video I did a search and discovered that's what he's up to now. Thanks for bringing up this whole topic! Glad it wasn't about a Pacemaker battery wearing down, or anythin' laugh

And best of luck as you continue this ride, and to future doors opening!


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What great additional detail, Dan! thu


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So cool to see this, inspiring rig! I loved Heart's early albums. And it's very cool that you and the band get space to be creative within the tunes.


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Awesome share, thank you!


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Watched this twice. Thanks for sharing Dan, very cool.


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Many thanks Dan. That was great.

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Now THAT'S a top of the line rig!


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Awesome rig, awesome gig, awesome thread. Thanks for sharing!


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Awesome rig! I love those kinds of gear walk throughs. Looks like such a fun show.

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Thanks Dan for taking the time to reply to my and all questions.
Originally Posted by mynameisdanno
There's always been a lot of freedom for all the players to rearrange things in how this band has operated. There's certainly no level of detail required to the point of unearthing old multitracks. On this tour in particular, both Ann & Nancy have encouraged us all to find ways to steer the 80's material away from the 80's, both sonically and parts-wise (which lines up with my own aesthetic preferences completely). They really are timeless songs once you strip away the sonic signatures of the era. In the case of "These Dreams", Nancy's side project with Liv Warfield, "Roadcase Royale", had already cooked up a great arrangement of the song. Nancy's acoustic drives the bus, there's some great slide guitar commentary, and I'm just playing simple chords on Wurly. No keyboard strings, though I do swell in a super subtle square wave vibrato synth pad thing in a few spots, just to give it a little extra sonic "chill". We're playing that version, and it's one of my favorite moments every night.
I saw a version on Youtube where Nancy was playing mandolin on that song - sounded amazing.

Fun fact: Bernie Taupin wrote the lyrics - who knew?

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Originally Posted by stoken6
Originally Posted by mynameisdanno
In the case of "These Dreams", Nancy's side project with Liv Warfield, "Roadcase Royale", had already cooked up a great arrangement of the song. Nancy's acoustic drives the bus, there's some great slide guitar commentary, and I'm just playing simple chords on Wurly. No keyboard strings, though I do swell in a super subtle square wave vibrato synth pad thing in a few spots, just to give it a little extra sonic "chill". We're playing that version, and it's one of my favorite moments every night.
I saw a version on Youtube where Nancy was playing mandolin on that song - sounded amazing.

Fun fact: Bernie Taupin wrote the lyrics - who knew?
One of Bernie's handful of high-profile successes without Elton John. One of the other, more dubious ones is, of course, "We Built This City."


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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
I'm really looking forward to seeing you guys live next week. thu


weather not looking good for this evenings show in MD, I don't have a pavilion seat frown


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It's refreshing to see a Rig Rundown that's based on hardware-no laptop screen with MainStage running and racks of computer hard drives loaded with samples. It makes an old guy like me still feel relevant.

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Originally Posted by samuelblupowitz
One of Bernie's handful of high-profile successes without Elton John. One of the other, more dubious ones is, of course, "We Built This City."

Yes indeed. Although he didn't write all the lyrics. (Just the good ones?)

Cheers, Mike.


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YAY, Minimoog!!!

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Originally Posted by Marzzz
YAY, Minimoog!!!


some photos from last night's excellent show. First one Dan playing a very cool MiniMoog solo during "Magic Man", last one Dan all alone, playing, well, you know.. smile

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Good stuff.


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Originally Posted by Malpaugh
It's refreshing to see a Rig Rundown that's based on hardware-no laptop screen with MainStage running and racks of computer hard drives loaded with samples. It makes an old guy like me still feel relevant.

Makes an old guy like me seem irrelevant, long live MainsStage with B5 for Hammond. Unless you think nothing can can beat a Nord for Hammond tone. But seriously each to their own and what works for them, why these informative threads have to devolve into hardware v software debates is beyond me.


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Nice pics Dave, trust you enjoyed the concert.


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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
Originally Posted by Marzzz
YAY, Minimoog!!!
some photos from last night's excellent show. First one Dan playing a very cool MiniMoog solo during "Crazy On You", last one Dan all alone, playing, well, you know. smile
Man, that rig looks sexy from the audience perspective, too!


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I want a pedal with the magic and more magic modes too 😃 Very cool rundown, thank you. I saw you looked annoyed about the change of lighting in your face as much as I was.


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Originally Posted by Markay
Nice pics Dave, trust you enjoyed the concert.


thanks, Mark. Thoroughly enjoyable show. First time I had seen "Heart" in 35 years. I was a big fan "back in the day". cool


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Originally Posted by Markay
Originally Posted by Malpaugh
It's refreshing to see a Rig Rundown that's based on hardware-no laptop screen with MainStage running and racks of computer hard drives loaded with samples. It makes an old guy like me still feel relevant.

Makes an old guy like me seem irrelevant, long live MainsStage with B5 for Hammond. Unless you think nothing can can beat a Nord for Hammond tone. But seriously each to their own and what works for them, why these informative threads have to devolve into hardware v software debates is beyond me.


Honestly, I agonized a little about whether to include a laptop in this rig. Nothing wrong with that approach. I am a heavy user of VIs in the studio, though mostly pianos and strings, I always record with a “real” Hammond.

At the end of the day, I just didn’t want to be climbing the Mainstage / laptop logistics learning curve on this particular gig, especially when setup and teardown labor and gear transport aren’t really major constraints. If I were trying to do a gig with this kind of sonic variety but with logistical constraints (e.g. lots of fly dates or rental backline), I probably would have gone laptop.

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Great rig! Thanks for the video.

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Originally Posted by OmniaAequalis
I want a pedal with the magic and more magic modes too 😃 Very cool rundown, thank you. I saw you looked annoyed about the change of lighting in your face as much as I was.


There’s not too many ten minute windows in the afternoon where somebody isn’t doing a job up there! I was just glad to have some time where the rig would be set up but there wouldn’t be white noise blasting through the PA, or drums being tuned, or laser beams being aimed, etc.

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Thanks for the video Dan! Awesome rig.

Which Nord acoustic piano samples do you use for this gig?

I saw Heart a few years ago and used to play their music in a cover band back in the 80’s. Love the group! Love the songs!

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Thanks for sharing Dan. I love Heart and this is such a great video.

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stolen from Keyboard magazine. Much better than the photo's I posted.

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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Really nice accordion too. Such a great sound in the right moments, I'm sure that one shines.


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Originally Posted by Al Quinn
Which Nord acoustic piano samples do you use for this gig?


Hey Al, the big piano moment in the show is Alone. We rearranged / reharmonized it considerably from the original when I started playing with Ann, and we’ve kept that arrangement for Heart this year. That one is using the Royal Grand 3D, with some low and low-mids cut out using the Nord’s EQ (he’s got a very powerful PA at his disposal out front, so I’ve EQ’d some patches to his taste so he’s not having to EQ me on the fly). I used the new White Grand for the first couple weeks of the tour, but we decided the Royal was better for that tune, which is just piano and voice for the first verse, and the band slowly enters over the course of the song.

I’m also using the Bambino upright, Wurly 2 Amped, the Sparkletop Rhodes, and a CP70/80 sample, can’t remember which.

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Originally Posted by Malpaugh
It's refreshing to see a Rig Rundown that's based on hardware-no laptop screen with MainStage running and racks of computer hard drives loaded with samples. It makes an old guy like me still feel relevant.


Many of my friends are reverting from laptops to hardware. Laptops just aren’t reliable enough, and it’s way more fun to play “real” instruments. I used a laptop 10 years ago, figured it wasn’t for me and looked for options. Nowadays I use iconnectmidi stuff and a Music Labs Sipario for routing and filtering. It’s actually easier to fly with an Integra-7 in a 2u rack then with a laptop, sound card, midi interface, power adapters, cables, laptop stand and so on.

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Laptops just aren’t reliable enough, and it’s way more fun to play “real” instruments.


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I can't hold back any longer...

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Originally Posted by dongna
I can't hold back any longer...

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I used to just get Brian Posehn comments from stoners working the late night drive through windows, but after they cast him on that show, I get them all the time.

I don't really see it personally...

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That looks like lots of fun. Cool rig!

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Unfortunate timing, but yeah!


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Late to this thread, so GREAT!! Thank you Dan for the peek behind the curtain. So many things going on, had to break out a spreadsheet to keep track of everything :-)

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both Ann & Nancy have encouraged us all to find ways to steer the 80's material away from the 80's, both sonically and parts-wise
That's awesome


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