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Cover better than the original? #3000962 07/29/19 11:49 PM
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Title says it all.

My (first) nomination: Joe Cocker's version of the Letter.



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Growing up in the 1980’s i heard more cover songs then the originals, because i was either too young or wasn’t born yet. I heard Venus by Bananarama, before I heard Shocking Blue’s original. No Doubt’s cover of it’s my life. Originally by Talk Talk. 10,000 Maniacs Because the Night. Originally Patti Smith. Gloria Estefan Turn the Beat around. Vicki Sue Robinson, Original. Even Everlasting Love Originally Carl Carlton.

There are two Beatles Songs that i liked the cover of. Here comes the Sun, covered by Richie Havens, and A little help from my friends Joe Cocker. These two songs I heard by the Beatles Originally, even though the had broken up before i was born.

A cover song for me works when the tempo is changed, or the instruments, this is just my opinion.


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Re: Cover better than the original? [Re: Dave Bryce] #3001045 07/30/19 02:51 PM
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Blinded By The Light. Manfred Mann version better than Springsteen version.
There. I've said it. saber

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to paraphrase you, brother dB, what constitutes "better"? smile

certainly the Manford Mann version was more commmercially sucessfull and launched millions of bong hits, but never in a thousand years could they have penned that tune


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Originally Posted by paulkondig
10,000 Maniacs Because the Night. Originally Patti Smith.



sung by Patti Smith, written by Patti Smith and Bruce Springsteen


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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during the late 1980's early 1990's I preferred Siouxsie and the Banshees cover of The Beatle's "Dear Prudence" over the original. Don't know if I feel the same way today

still prefer Joe Cocker's cover of "A Little Help From My Friends" over the original

for me it's where I am in place and time as to what my preference is


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
to paraphrase you, brother dB, what constitutes "better"? smile

More likable to whoever is posting. Hence the thread title. poke

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certainly the Manford Mann version was more commmercially sucessfull and launched millions of bong hits, but never in a thousand years could they have penned that tune

Oh, hell no.

Okay, here's another one. Most people know the Blue Suede version of Hooked On A Feeling...but how many know the original version by B.J. Thomas?



(I feel that) the Blue Suede version is WAY better.

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Blinded By The Light. Manfred Mann version better than Springsteen version.
There. I've said it. saber

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Originally Posted by davedoerfler
to paraphrase you, brother dB, what constitutes "better"? smile

More likable to whoever is posting. Hence the thread title. poke


Yea, lets go with that!


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Here's the original:



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Re: Cover better than the original? [Re: Dave Bryce] #3001096 07/30/19 08:21 PM
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It's a toss up between this version and the Rolling Stones original for me. Apples and oranges, I guess. Either way, I'm grateful for both fruits.



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Re: Cover better than the original? [Re: Geoff Grace] #3001106 07/30/19 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Grace

I might argue in favor of Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy as well.

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How about the other way ... songs you first heard as covers and only heard the original versions later on?

Twist & Shout
Piece o’ my Heart
Time is on My Side
You Ain’t Nothin But a Hound Dog

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And the original:



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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce

I might argue in favor of Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy as well.

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Not bad for a bunch of guys old enough to have heard the original, or at least Ricky Nelson's version.

Before




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Joe Cocker's version of She Came in Through the Bathroom Window is similar to the Beatles' original, but I like Cocker's version a little better.


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I also like Joe Cocker's version of Feelin' Alright somewhat better than Traffic's


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These two versions of Got To Get You Into My Life are so very different and so great in their own way



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Hey Geoff. Thanks for illustrating my point. Both of these renditions of Cloudburst are covers 😉


Well ok, Jon Lambert wrote lyrics to a jazz tune so maybe it’s only half a cover.

For those who don’t know about Lambert, Hendrix and Ross please take a minute to go listen to check out this video. In this tune the middle section is a note for note transcription of Lester Young’s sax solo but now with lyrics. I can’t even read the lyrics as fast as Jon is singing them. This is one of my all time favorite performances.

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My apologies, dboomer.

I believe the Lambert, Hendrix and Ross rendition was at least the original vocal version, FWIW. Please correct me if I'm wrong (again).

This should be the original version, then (Source):



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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Title says it all.

My (first) nomination: Joe Cocker's version of the Letter.
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love that version. I'll raise the bar. TTB version of The Letter. If you havent seen TTB live, you must do so at the next available opportunity. It's mandatory. cop



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Originally Posted by davedoerfler
. I'll raise the bar. TTB version of The Letter.



Now we're into a whole different thing - ownage.

To me, that vid is basically TTB doing the Mad Dogs and Englishmen version. Joe Cocker, OTOH, reworked the tune and made it his own.

Don't get me wrong - the TTB version rocks in a big way...but I'm not sure it raises the bar because they're just going to the same place Cocker did. Can't say I blame them at all, mind you - it's a pretty damn fun place, and that band is about as perfect for going there as it gets.

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The first one comes to mind for me is Love Hurts. I've heard older versions of it but I don't even recall who originally did it and don't have time to look it up now. The Nazareth version is amazing to my ears.

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Originally Posted by ggm1960
The first one comes to mind for me is Love Hurts. I've heard older versions of it but I don't even recall who originally did it and don't have time to look it up now. The Nazareth version is amazing to my ears.



The Everly Brothers 1960 released in 1961.

Yea, I looked it up.


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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Joe Cocker, OTOH, reworked the tune and made it his own.


point taken


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Otis Redding's version of the jazz standard, "Try A Little Tenderness".

The Byrds cover of Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man".


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Originally Posted by J. Dan
Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Blinded By The Light. Manfred Mann version better than Springsteen version.
There. I've said it. saber

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Mighty Quinn done first by Manfred Mann, then reimagined and released again by Manfred Mann's Earth Band. That is the version I like best.


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Eli's Coming, written and released by Laura Nyro in 1967, then covered by Three Dog Night in 1969.


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Originally Posted by RABid
Eli's Coming, written and released by Laura Nyro in 1967, then covered by Three Dog Night in 1969.



Maynard Ferguson also did a great cover of Eli's Comin'

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Originally Posted by RABid
Eli's Coming, written and released by Laura Nyro in 1967, then covered by Three Dog Night in 1969.


+1.

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Great version of Taxman by Joe Bonamassa

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Originally Posted by paulkondig
Originally Posted by ggm1960
The first one comes to mind for me is Love Hurts. I've heard older versions of it but I don't even recall who originally did it and don't have time to look it up now. The Nazareth version is amazing to my ears.



The Everly Brothers 1960 released in 1961.

Yea, I looked it up.



Wow yeah, goes back to when I was born. No doubt I'd heard the Nazareth version before I even knew it was a cover, the Hair of the Dog album was one of the great ones from my high school years. The gravely voice and delivery along with the eerie ebow lead section just really seem to give the song an authenticity I don't feel listening to the original or any other cover of it.

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I like Aretha Franklin's version of "Respect" better than the original Otis Redding, but I still like Otis' version a lot

Aretha's version of "The Weight" is IMHO better than The Band's

I Like Mark Murphy's version of Michael Franks' "Satisfaction Guaranteed" a lot better

Jimi Hendrix's cover of Dylan's "All Along The Watchtower"

Elvis Presley's version of "Blue Suede Shoes" originally by Carl Perkins

I think Janis Joplin did a better job than Roger Miller's first recording of Kris Kristofferson's "Me And Bobby McGee"

I like Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's version of Joni Mitchell's "Woodstock" better

Johnny Rivers' version of Chuck Berry's "Memphis" IMHO is way better

I like Santana's version of "Black Magic Woman" even better than the very fine Peter Green/Fleetwood Mack take

Vanilla Fudge: "You Keep Me Hanging On", "Season Of The Witch", "Ticket To Ride", and "People Get Ready" (I like the over-the top re-arrangements, but I still like the originals just fine)


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Mainly because of Marissa's over the top lead guitar

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Erma Franklin did a nice job of "Piece Of My Heart", but I like Janis Joplin's version better.

IMHO Stan Getz and Charlie Byrd did the definitive version of A.C. Jobim's "One Note Samba"

"You Go To My Head" was first recorded by Larry Clinton & His Orchestra and two very different versions are my favorite, Frank Sinatra's smoky and moody and Mark Murphy's fusion jazz take on it.


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Just about any Bob Dylan song


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Originally Posted by Notes_Norton
Erma Franklin did a nice job of "Piece Of My Heart", but I like Janis Joplin's version better.

Erma's version was the original. So you got it right for the subject of this thread!


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Paul Shaffer's arrangements (transcriptions?) for the Blues Brothers were generally more pleasing to my ears than the originals, perhaps in part due to better sound reproduction. Specific examples would be Gimme Some Lovin' and Soul Man.


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I just remembered this Flaming Lips cover. I still like the original because of nostalgia (last year of junior high) but I do dig this one enough to consider equal, if not "better".


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Originally Posted by BMD
Just about any Bob Dylan song

+1000.

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Originally Posted by GovernorSilver


Mainly because of Marissa's over the top lead guitar

Patti Smith vibe with nasty guitars. I like the way Natalie Merchant did it more - she made it a bit more her own.

Why does no one who covers this song play the piano part correctly? It starts on the C#, not the root B.

....and WAY too much buss compression on this version. wall

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
Originally Posted by GovernorSilver


Mainly because of Marissa's over the top lead guitar

Patti Smith vibe with nasty guitars. I like the way Natalie Merchant did it more - she made it a bit more her own.

Why does no one who covers this song play the piano part correctly? It starts on the C#, not the root B.

....and WAY too much buss compression on this version. wall

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That's interesting, my wife and I have been wanting to add this to our duo list. She's a good sight reader and downloaded the sheet music. I'm curious to look at that when I get home now!

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce


Why does no one who covers this song play the piano part correctly? It starts on the C#, not the root B.

....and WAY too much buss compression on this version. wall

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Interesting! Will have another listen to the Patti Smith original.

This piano problem reminds me of the "extra guitar note" problem in covers of "Cissy Strut" by The Meters. Almost everybody, including well-known pros, plays the 2nd section of the guitar melody wrong, by adding at least one extra note. I learned this while listening to an interview with Meters bassist George Porter Jr.

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Originally Posted by GovernorSilver
[Interesting! Will have another listen to the Patti Smith original.


Patti version. Form takes it's time evolving...takes a while to get to the F#, and double as long to get to the octaved B at the end of the form.
C#, D, B, D, C#, D, E, D, C#, D, B, D, C#, D, F#, D, C#, D, B, D, C#, D, E, D, C#, D, B, D, C#, D, B (8va), D



Natalie version. Much more intricate form, but shorter. F# shows up right away, and the octaved B shortly after. E turn omitted entirely.
B, D, C#, D, F#, D, C#, D, B, D, C#, D, B (8va), D, C#, D


The Garbage one is doing it a third way! More like Patti's version, but shorte like Natalie, so no E turn...and no octaved B.
B, D, C#, D, B, D, C#, D,B, D, C#, D, F#, D, C#, D.

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Sting was reportedly "Driven To Tears" by this one. The stripped down arrangement lends itself to the more emotionally raw performance.



Her cover of the Pete Seeger classic replaces the usual folksy vibe with more of a "take you to church" gospel feel.


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Wow. No one's mentioned Ray Charles' version of "I Can't Stop Loving You", over Don Gibson.
An obscure personal fav is Dorothy Moore's "He Thinks I Still Care" over George Jones


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Financially, the greatest remake may be Dolly Parton's "I Will Always Love You", later done by Whitney Houston. One of my favorite entertainer interviews was Dolly Parton talking about the song. Elvis Presley wanted to record the song but his manager insisted that Dolly sign over half of the song writer royalties. She refused. When Whitney Houston recorded the song, according to the Dolly interview, "When Whitney recorded it I made enough in royalties on that song to BUY the Elvis catalog."

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With the 50th anniversary of Woodstock just around the corner, it seems fitting to add The Who's performance there of "Summertime Blues."



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Originally Posted by Geoff Grace
With the 50th anniversary of Woodstock just around the corner, it seems fitting to add The Who's performance there of "Summertime Blues."



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I like the Eddie Cochran version better because The Who's version, although musically superior, left out the punch lines at the end of each verse (Example; you can't use the care 'cause you didn't work a lick)

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I'm quite fond of this cover that Craig did of one of my tunes

It's completely different from the original and all the better for it, I think




The past is gone. I'm sure it can take care of itself now.

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Word has it by people who saw a Leon Russel concert in the late 1970s (I didn't go, I was gigging) that Leon introduced "This Masquerade" by saying something like "With apologies to George Benson."

Yep, Mr. Benson did a better cover than the original.

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Forgot about the Russian Police Choir's covers




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Alanis Morissette's original studio version of "You Oughta Know" had an almost spastic quality to it, and as a result I can't feel what she is describing :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPcyTyilmYY

Her remake from "Jagged Little Pill Acoustic" has a more centered delivery that realizes the full potential of this composition, and lets me really feel it. When she cries out "It's not fair!" it just reaches right into me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TUnVtu_JIk

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Go to 2:00 to see Melissa Etheridge steal "Piece of My Heart" for all eternity, while recovering from chemo:
Don't miss Melissa's scream at 4:25.
Janis and Roger Daltry, eat your heart out.

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And now for something completely different. The original version of "We've Only Just Begun", as a TV commercial:


After Richard saw the TV ad, he called the composer to ask about Carpenters doing their own version.
Richard really knew how to make great arrangements, and my gosh what a voice she had:


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I just heard this today. Kind of fun:



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That was cool.

A separate comment, not related to the quality of the performance: I found it amusing watching the lead singer keep his head and mouth perfectly positioned for the mic even while moving the rest of his body around, something only a seasoned studio singer would do properly. His facial hair created an impression of the head appearing large for the person's body, and in combination with his checkerboard shirt, and the head remaining mostly still while the body moved, it created a weird effect as if someone has substituted someone else's head over the person's body in the video.

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Always like this version better, maybe because the fantastic original version is overplayed smile



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I like it. I especially like the bass part.

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Do I get bonus points for bringing up Kevin Gilbert's version of Led Zep "Kashmir"?



Helmut Lotti does a live cover of Bohemian Rhapsody, including the opera section (!) When I hear those singers pulling that off it brings a tear to my eye.


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Do I get bonus points for bringing up Kevin Gilbert's version of Led Zep "Kashmir"?



I like this version of Kashmir too:


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Mark Murphy's version of Joni Mitchell's version of Charles Mingus' "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat"


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Buddy Greco's verson of Rodger's & Hart's "The Lady Is A Tramp" originally recorded by Tommy Dorsey and His Orchestra (featuring Edythe Wright on vocals). Buddy sings and plays the piano on this one, and IMO not only sings it wonderfully, also accompanies himself grandly.



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The first time I came to Las Vegas, probably early Nineties, I saw Buddy Greco. He was playing one of the bar lounges at, I think, the Flamingo. Just a 3 piece. Pretty cool. It was after we saw Wayne Newton at the Hilton theater.


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