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Kurzweil PC4 #3000126 07/24/19 07:47 PM
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Hi,

We have posted all the details about the PC4, including full Manual, at http://kurzweil.com/product/pc4/

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Looking forward to giving the PC4 a spin. I've been looking for controller (for soft-synths) that also could back me up in the event of a computer failure. My PC3X is great, but throw that thing in a flight case and it is pretty hard to move around. The PC4's weight is right where I want it to be, but I'll want to play it to be sure the weight for action trade-off is acceptable for me. I don't love the DC jack for power (I always have a backup adapter for power, but an AC power connector feels more sturdy, in general), but that wouldn't prevent me from buying a PC4.

I know this is like Pepsi vs. Coke for many people, but I like the wheels on top of the keyboard to reduce the width. The Forte 7 is attractive to me for that reason (although I do like having all 88). We'll see how the action feels on the PC4 before I make a final decision.

Thanks for the manual - that helps answer a lot of questions.

Great job, Kurzweil!


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Is the hammer action on the PC4 lighter or the same as the Forte?


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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Is the hammer action on the PC4 lighter or the same as the Forte?

Different.


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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Is the hammer action on the PC4 lighter or the same as the Forte?


It´s not only "different" (like Another Scott said),- it´s a different brand action ... Medelli vs Fatar.
Matter of taste,- as always ...

I myself, I´d prefer getting a PC4 w/ some balanced (non-hammer) weighted action and/or 61-key Fatar TP9S synth action like PC3/PC3K.
I´m not a big fan of "piano-hammer" actions for synth- & sample-playback workstations.

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Any guesses as to the price (U$D or compared with other models)...?


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Based on prices quoted elsewhere in the world and converted (which is not an assurance of accuracy), it looks like it will likely come in under $2k.


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For a lightweight gigging all in one slab I was leaning towards the MODX because of price, sound, weight & hammer action but the PC4 may be the one.


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I doubt that Kurz can match the price of the MODX. The question will be, do you need all the features of the PC4 to do what you need for your performances, and are you willing to pay for it. I expect it will be less than the Forte, Montage, Kronos - but how much less? On introduction the PC3K8 listed for $4100 with a street price around $3500.

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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Is the hammer action on the PC4 lighter or the same as the Forte?

Different.
Very different, IMO, and not in a good way. Played one at Gearfest, the action had this weird bouncy thing going on. Deal breaker. Of course, one man’s meat, YMMV, etc.

I did like some of the new pianos, but felt most of the rest of the sounds were not much of a departure from standard PC3 fare.


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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
For a lightweight gigging all in one slab I was leaning towards the MODX because of price, sound, weight & hammer action but the PC4 may be the one.

I'd have to specifically compare the MODX interface to the PC4, but from what I know of both and their past histories, for an all-in-one, I'd prefer Kurz, because I tend to grab a lot of my sounds on the fly, and in a split environment (as you're more likely to have to make use of if you have just one board), Kurz is generally better than Yamaha at quick manipulations of sounds within your specified split regions (i.e. ease of selecting a new sound for just part of the board, adjusting its level, transposing its octave if need be).

In general, these seem like the big Kurz advantages:
* 4 engines: sample-based, FM, virtual analog, clonewheel organ (MODX has the first two)
* assignable additional outputs
* aftertouch
* sequencer (I don't care, but some do)
* double the expansion memory
* more polyphony
* more controller support (ribbon, 4 foot switches), more panel controls in general
* full 16 zone implementation... MODX is 16 overall but limits the keyboard itself to 8 (with seamless switching working only as long as you use just the first 4) and limits its MIDI controller functions to 8 channels as well (Kurz also is more flexible in letting you simultaneously trigger some of its sounds from another board)

But MODX has some nice things too... touchscreen, endless encoders, built in USB MIDI interface.

Originally Posted by Moonglow
I did like some of the new pianos, but felt most of the rest of the sounds were not much of a departure from standard PC3 fare.
Sonically, I think it's basically PC3 + Kore64 + a smaller-sample version of the Forte additions + 6-op FM synth.



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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
Originally Posted by Moonglow
I did like some of the new pianos, but felt most of the rest of the sounds were not much of a departure from standard PC3 fare.
Sonically, I think it's basically PC3 + Kore64 + a smaller-sample version of the Forte additions + 6-op FM synth.

I’m not sure if the unit I played at Gearfest had all of those engines fully loaded. Obviously a prototype, the octave shift was messed up; it was shifted down an octave too far, with the top octave playing nothing (especially annoying when playing piano). I tried to adjust this, to include turning the unit off/on, but to no avail. I walked away from that experience feeling it may be to Kurzweil’s advantage to not have a demo available until some of these issues get resolved. Sort of a “something is not better than nothing” type of thing.


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I'm interested in this if I can get used to the keys. Still not showing up at any retailers though.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
I doubt that Kurz can match the price of the MODX. The question will be, do you need all the features of the PC4 to do what you need for your performances, and are you willing to pay for it. I expect it will be less than the Forte, Montage, Kronos - but how much less? On introduction the PC3K8 listed for $4100 with a street price around $3500.
Current promised price is "between $1500 and $2000" for the 88 Key (which is the only real product at this time -- others are in our imaginations). So yeah, looks like they'll match the MODX price pretty easily.

Regarding features, I notice that just like the PC3's recycling (with sometimes inaccurate results) of K2600 manual content, most of the PC4 musician's guide seems to match the Forte manual. Finally, regarding manuals, there is the (slightly pathetic) instruction in the PC4 manual that if you want to know about FUNs, you chould check out the K2600 manuals.


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That would be great. Even more so if a 76k synth action comes to fruition.
But a bizarre turn of events as a PC3K8 runs for $2200 on the second hand and B stock listings.
The next Artis revision should come in at $800! smile

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd

But a bizarre turn of events as a PC3K8 runs for $2200 on the second hand and B stock listings.

Discontinued model... people getting what they can while they can from whom they can! It does have the better action. I don't know if it has any other advantage over a PC4.


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Originally Posted by Bill W
I'm interested in this if I can get used to the keys. Still not showing up at any retailers though.


The keys will be the same as the Kurzweil SP6. Anticipated availability in the USA is September 2019.
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Hmmm same action as SP6.
That’s a pretty light weighted action.
Bordering on a semiweight synth feel no, SP6 owners?

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Hmmm same action as SP6.
That’s a pretty light weighted action.
Bordering on a semiweight synth feel no, SP6 owners?

Not at all. Its a fully weighted hammer action board. Its a Medeli K6 action.
Personally I like the Medeli action better than the Fatar actions they use in other models.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Hmmm same action as SP6.
That’s a pretty light weighted action.
Bordering on a semiweight synth feel no, SP6 owners?

What makes a "weighted" action feel more like a piano than a "semiweighted" is not the amount of weight, it's the presence of a hammer mechanism. Based on the KA90 that I think uses the same action, it's kind of similar to Yamaha GHS. It doesn't feel anything like a semiweighted synth action, it's still a hammer action. Or to put it differently, one might argue about how good it is for piano, but no one is going to say it's good for organ. ;-)


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I played a Medeli digital piano in the FP-30, P45, PX-160 price range.
Was not impressed unfortunately.


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
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Hmmm same action as SP6.
That’s a pretty light weighted action.
Bordering on a semiweight synth feel no, SP6 owners?

What makes a "weighted" action feel more like a piano than a "semiweighted" is not the amount of weight, it's the presence of a hammer mechanism. Based on the KA90 that I think uses the same action, it's kind of similar to Yamaha GHS. It doesn't feel anything like a semiweighted synth action, it's still a hammer action. Or to put it differently, one might argue about how good it is for piano, but no one is going to say it's good for organ. ;-)

With every 'instrument' or voice you select, the key action seems to be altered (firmware?) to approximate an action closer to what one would expect for that voice. I believe Nord uses this technique as well so that their "Stage" series can be used with both Piano and Organ selections.
The bottom line is that anyone considering a PC4 should get to their local retailer and try it out for themselves - or at least try an SP6 (until the PC4 is available) to get more of a feel for the action.
Also bear in mind that there's a rather extensive selection of "key velocity" (touch sensitivity) settings ranging from heavy to light to tailor the action closer to what one is more comfortable with.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
I played a Medeli digital piano in the FP-30, P45, PX-160 price range.
Was not impressed unfortunately.

Did you just walk up to it and play it? Or did you go to the section where you can adjust the key velocity (touch sensitivity) to a harder or lighter touch depending on your preference?
Most people walk up to any keyboard, try it, and make a decision as to whether they like it or not based on what they just experienced. Most people (unfortunately) don't know about changing the touch sensitivity, and they should ask the sales person for help with that. You'd be surprised what a simple change in that setting can make.


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Sat in my local shop with all of them side by side and move one to the next. Back and forth, forth and back.
Critiquing what I like and don’t like about each.

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Sat in my local shop with all of them side by side and move one to the next. Back and forth, forth and back.
Critiquing what I like and don’t like about each.

If you get a chance to do that again, try changing the touch sensitivity setting on each (all boards have that... its just a matter of getting to the section where you can make that adjustment) and see if you still have the same opinion of the board(s) you played.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
I played a Medeli digital piano in the FP-30, P45, PX-160 price range.
Was not impressed unfortunately.

Sometimes the same action can play better in a different board.

Originally Posted by PianoManChuck
With every 'instrument' or voice you select, the key action seems to be altered (firmware?) to approximate an action closer to what one would expect for that voice. I believe Nord uses this technique as well so that their "Stage" series can be used with both Piano and Organ selections.

The Stage HA (not HP or SW) models are hammer actions that are above average for organ as hammer actions go, but still not nearly as good for organ as the non-hammer actions.

Also, the only thing that is altered based on the instrument/voice you select is that organ uses the high trigger point, an option only available for voices that do not need to sense velocity. (The same adjustment is available on their non-hammer actions.) But that alone is not enough to make a hammer action not-terrible for organ. The amount of force needed to trigger the note, the speed of the key return, how sharp or curved the side edge of the keys are are all factors.


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The Medeli sling engine didn’t help at all. And the build was flimsy.
Maybe the Kurz sounds are just what the actual needs.
I’ll refrain from commenting on that until I’ve played one.


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I have had an SP6 for about 18 months. I also have a Yamaha CP4, whose action I do prefer to the Kurzweil. However, I find myself using the Kurzweil more and more for big band gigs and small pop gigs. I recently tried to tailor (for several days!) the Yamaha to give me the sonic flexibility I enjoy with the Kurzweil in one pop group, used it for one gig, and reverted to the Kurzweil after that, much to the relief of my band mates. Compared to the CP4, the biggest difference in action is that I can’t get the dynamic range I’d like to have for APs. I put a MIDI monitor on the Kurzweil and had a hard time setting the sensitivity to where I could smoothly and repeatedly go from 0 to 127, as I can with the CP4. However, in a non jazz setting, that more limited sensitivity range on the Kurzweil keybed acts like a (desirable) subtle compression. And I find the high trigger for organs works quite well. I’ve resigned myself to putting up with the compromised keybed for the great Kurzweil sound.


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I recently acquired a Kurzweil SP6 that has the Medeli K6 action - reported to be the same keybed model that is in the new PC4.
My understanding is that the K6 is not the Medeli keybed used in previous models.

This keybed action is not 'lightweight'. It is a weighted keybed, that I find has a very pleasant action.
I compare this to also having a Privia PX-5s and a Kawai Grand. I have no trouble switching between the three with regards to 'piano action'. The Medeli keybed in the SP6 seems to be a little faster that that in the Px-5s (as is preferred for Organ, etc.). In the past I have also owned (and let go of) several other keyboards (Roland RD-800, Korg SV-1, a Roland FP series, and others)

In the case of the SP6/Medeli K6, I'm finding that Kurzweil has, in their included 10 velocity curves, provided adequate options to adjust touch for an appropriate sensitivity whether playing acoustic piano samples, organ, or a variety of other sounds.

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Originally Posted by Jaspla
In the past I have also owned (and let go of) several other keyboards (Roland RD-800, Korg SV-1, a Roland FP series, and others)

I'd be curious to know how you compare the feel of playing EPs on the SV1 vs. the SP6.

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In the case of the SP6/Medeli K6, I'm finding that Kurzweil has, in their included 10 velocity curves, provided adequate options to adjust touch for an appropriate sensitivity whether playing acoustic piano samples, organ, or a variety of other sounds.

Can you save a particular velocity curve with a particular sound?



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Back to the same chatter on the PC4’s action as we were when the SP6 was announced because it’s not easy to walk into a shop and find a Medeli SP2400 (which I’m assuming has the action in question but can’t confirm) or an SP6. That’s a shame really, but that’s how it goes. Have to rely on the reviews of owners and a good 30/45 return policy.


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In the past I have also owned (and let go of) several other keyboards (Roland RD-800, Korg SV-1, a Roland FP series, and others)

I'd be curious to know how you compare the feel of playing EPs on the SP6 vs. the SP6.

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In the case of the SP6/Medeli K6, I'm finding that Kurzweil has, in their included 10 velocity curves, provided adequate options to adjust touch for an appropriate sensitivity whether playing acoustic piano samples, organ, or a variety of other sounds.

Can you save a particular velocity curve with a particular sound?


The manual seems to indicate that you can associate different velocity curves with different programs. This is not possible on the SP6.

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Both AnotherScott and Coker have asked:
"I'd be curious to know how you compare the feel of playing EPs on the SP6 vs. the SP6"

Sorry, I'm not exactly sure of the requested comparison. However I can state that I find playing EP's on the SP6 quite enjoyable - I have explored the velocity curve options and it seems one of the options having a lighter touch then their 'Pianotouch' might work best for Rhodz.
The variations of Kurzweil program/sounds, and those created by their Users are quite good. My reference point is from owning a couple of Rhodes and a Wurtlizer 200 EP in the past (although quite a while ago). Of the boards that I had mentioned, I did find the Korg SV1 to be near the top with regards to Rhodes/EP, sound and touch, however I found that keybed did not meet my desires when playing Acoustic.

Velocity Settings - SP6 map appears to be global (not tied to a program/sound)
However when using Programs/sound employing multiple zones, when saving an edit, there appears to be some sort of option where for any zone:
"..Key Low and Key High parameters set the playable key range of each Zone by setting the lowest and highest playable key of each Zone. Keys played within this range will trigger
a note for the selected Zone. .. (You can also set a range where playing velocities will not trigger a note, by setting Velocity Low to a higher velocity than Velocity High)...".
This option is described in the SP6 Musician's Guide (manual) page 5-3. I have not explored this at this time.

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Originally Posted by Jaspla
Both AnotherScott and Coker have asked:
"I'd be curious to know how you compare the feel of playing EPs on the SP6 vs. the SP6"

Sorry, I'm not exactly sure of the requested comparison.

LOL, I meant to type "SV1 vs. the SP6" (subsequently corrected).

You kind of began to address that anyway, with...

Originally Posted by Jaspla
Of the boards that I had mentioned, I did find the Korg SV1 to be near the top with regards to Rhodes/EP, sound and touch, however I found that keybed did not meet my desires when playing Acoustic.

So it sounds like SP6 beats SV1 for acoustic, but how would you compare them for playing EPs, in the overall experience (sound and touch)?


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'AnotherScott' - Trying not to deviate too far from this Kurzweil PC4 thread...

I owned the SV1 some 7 years ago, shortly after they were released - I still occasionally play them when it's spotted in a retail shop.
The SP6 keybed seems to be slightly more weighted than the RH3 on the SV1.

SP6 - I have found several EP sounds that I like from within the keyboard or obtained thru one of their forums – and, have been exploring further tweaks with the PC Editor.
- some of those sounds developed by Dave Weiser, a sound designer, that had a previous association with Kurzweil
https://www.weisersound.com/kurzweil – also a source for Kurzweil products

For SP6, since the Editor is so comprehensive, you would likely use it to prefigure and save desired sounds/programs to the board.
A cursory look at the manual for the PC4 seems to indicate that a lot of the editing that needs to be done with the external editor for the SP6 is capable of being done 'on board' the PC4.

At this point I can say I am quite pleased with the EP sounds provided, or that I've acquired, or customized, along with the keytouch/performance of the SP6 - it is now the primary gig keyboard.

An advantage of the SV1 was the numerous knobs/controls on the front for quickly customizing your sound, changing Amps, on-the-fly adjustments, and tube circuit that seemed to provide the 'warmth' of original Rhodes/EP.

Having the Kurzweil SP6 with the Medeli K6 keybed, I would quickly select this over the SV1, particularly when presented with the extensive suite of exceptional Kurzweil sounds, multiple zones, and the extensive (almost overwhelming) amount of customization you can do with one of the external editors – which I'm still in the process of exploring.

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That's quite an attractive price. I'm not in the market, but a nice-feeling synth-weighted 76 at c.1700 would be tempting...

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I'm looking at either the MODX or the PC4. I like the weight, price... all boxes seem to be checked but the KB3 is awesome. Used to have a Forte... do they have the same architecture on the APs, EPs & organs?


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Nice review.

Why no mention of the FM engine / DX7 Emulation?


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I love my SP6, this makes me want a PC4...


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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
Chuck,

Nice review.

Why no mention of the FM engine / DX7 Emulation?


Because that was a pianist´s review.

Lot´s of features mentioned in this review as "very cool" are features already existing in a PC3.
P.ex.,-
KB3 is the same, except it doesn´t steal polyphony from other "programs" when in "setup/multi" mode and like in FORTE.
The "variation" switch is the same what´s called "switch" (MIDI CC29) on a PC3 ...
It´s a sequencer, a production workstation ...
Already a PC3 was ...
2GB of user RAM for samples ... hmmm,- I always wonder who uses that a lot and how much time it needs filling 2GB of user RAM,- or worst,- changing content "quickly" on demand.

and so on ... all sham ...

Again a new package of crippled FORTE and PC3 and because the Ribbon Controller connection came back, it´s now a PC4.
2 advantages: weight and price

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Originally Posted by Legatoboy
I love my SP6, this makes me want a PC4...



yeah, I love my chick ... it makes me want ...

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Originally Posted by Al Coda
Originally Posted by Legatoboy
I love my SP6, this makes me want a PC4...



yeah, I love my chick ... it makes me want ...

A.C.


GAS is GAS.... I'm not really gigging much...so it won't happen ..but I may thin out the heard and get one for home and future oldman gigging
The sliders and a few other features would help that made the SP6 harder to get around on as a gigging axe....but sonically and playing wise I am really enjoying the SP6 and the PC4 is a very similar axe.
The AC Pianos are a fresh change for me over Yamaha Nord and Roland....the Kurzweil AC pianos are very varied like Nords are but easier to EQ and sit in a mix.


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I love my Artis 7 for live performing, in part because of the 10 Quick Access buttons just above the key bed ("Favorites") that allows assignment of 10 programs, splits, etc. I also like its key bed which is perfect for playing piano AND organ parts. I am wondering from anyone who's tried this PC4 if: (1) there's easy access to saved programs (i.e. 1 button), and (2) if the key bed is similar to the Artis 7 and not "clunky" like some of the SP's that Kurzweil has put out, specifically the SP4-7 which I've owned. There's no Kurzweil dealers close to me so I'm going to have to rely--as I have typically--on the opinions and videos of others.


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It has the same keybed as the SP6, but with aftertouch. The keybed is weighted, not a semi weighted or synth action, but is quite usable for APs and organs IMHO. Definitely not clunky like the T100 can be.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
It’s shipping. Let’s hear what y’all think.

The best sub-30 lb hammer action board ever made.


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
It’s shipping. Let’s hear what y’all think.

The best sub-30 lb hammer action board ever made.


smile That sub 30lbs and what it means for the action is still a quandary. Have you had your hands on one out in the wild yet, Scott?


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
That sub 30lbs and what it means for the action is still a quandary. Have you had your hands on one out in the wild yet, Scott?

Yes. I like the action. It's not on my "very favorite" list but I'm finding it very nicely playable without frustration.

Going back over some of the other posts here...

Originally Posted by Al Coda
Again a new package of crippled FORTE and PC3 and because the Ribbon Controller connection came back, it´s now a PC4.
2 advantages: weight and price

Those are big advantages. But there are others.
* Compared to PC3: updated sound set, greater number of real-time controls, ability to load 2 GB of sample data, more polyphony, more fx units, better display
* Compared to Forte, well yeah, its largely a downscaled and lower-priced version of Forte, nothing wrong with that... but it also had the advantage of more real-time controls

Originally Posted by Al Coda
Originally Posted by Legatoboy
I love my SP6, this makes me want a PC4...

yeah, I love my chick ... it makes me want ... .

... a younger and more flexible version?

Originally Posted by rockinroller
I love my Artis 7 for live performing, in part because of the 10 Quick Access buttons just above the key bed ("Favorites") that allows assignment of 10 programs, splits, etc. I also like its key bed which is perfect for playing piano AND organ parts. I am wondering from anyone who's tried this PC4 if: (1) there's easy access to saved programs (i.e. 1 button), and (2) if the key bed is similar to the Artis 7 and not "clunky" like some of the SP's that Kurzweil has put out, specifically the SP4-7 which I've owned.

(1) the buttons on the right can be re-purposed to 10 Quick Access buttons... and there are 50 pages (banks, screens) of Quick Access assignments, so you're not limited to ten, you can create a second page if you want 20, and so forth, up to 500.
(2) It's a hammer action, so very different from either the Artis 7 or SP4-7. The hammer action makes it better for piano and worse for organ, though not as bad for organ as some other hammer actions are, in part because of the high trigger point available for organ playing, and just not being a heavy feeling action as hammer actions go.


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Originally Posted by Tom Williams
Chuck,

Nice review.

Why no mention of the FM engine / DX7 Emulation?


The FM engine was not finished at the time of the review, and the snazzy new FM presets were not included at that time.

BTW The new FM presets are amazing - and they spotlight the new lightning-fast envelopes. They brought in a raging badass to do these, Stephane from Barb&Co, a killer third party sound developer. Lots of fun to be had cascading the FM and non-FM stuff together, really powerful stuff.

As for where the PC4 sits in the big picture... After years of rebuilding as a tiny engineering group, Kurz has now returned the PC series to where it used to be - the mid-range.
For the first time in many years they now have high, middle and entry level ranges covered with very capable boards that compete very well with boards in their respective price and weight classes.
Forte is the flagship, PC4 is the mid-range workstation, SP6 is the low-cost stage piano (that still has 32bit DACs and balanced outs).




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That sub 30lbs and what it means for the action is still a quandary. Have you had your hands on one out in the wild yet, Scott?

Yes. I like the action. It's not on my "very favorite" list but I'm finding it very nicely playable without frustration.
Just goes to show how subjective/personal actions are. Among weighted actions, I would place this on my “least favorite” list, unless the action I played on the axe at Gearfest was prototype and still in development. It had this bouncy thing going on that I just couldn’t deal with. Of course, one man’s meat, YMMV, yada yada, etc.


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How is the action compared to MODX?

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I've had a PC4 for a few weeks now. I find the action comfortable, natural and pretty quick for a fully weighted, hammer action.
I could play it all day without problems.
I'm not a trained pianist though, and the majority of boards I've had, have had synth or semi-weighted actions.
If I was obsessed with having a piano action, I'd buy a piano.
At first, I found the after touch required more pressure than I'm used to, and there's no real give, or squash to the feel.
I've adjusted to it though, and it's good if you don't want a lot of stray AT data clogging up a DAW.

When I heard it had FM, I was like 'ho-hum - been there 30 years ago'. But the FM sounds about the best I've heard,
and I've had many variations of it, both hardware and software. You can import .syx FM sounds directly, and there's a lot you can
do with them once inside the PC4. I've got enough FM sounds to last a lifetime.

Besides the full blown FM section, it's also got individual FM operators that can be used inside VAST programs.
Keymaps and other layers can also be used as inputs, and you can modulate the frequencies as well as the amplitude
of the operators - a technique I really like.

I also play bass, and have been running a line level (pre-amped) bass thru the fx via the audio ins. Sounds great.
Sound quality is top shelf.
And if someone uses software at all, the extra controls, zones, assignments, and flexibility make it one of the best controllers available.
There are some small quirks that need to be worked out with the OS still, but overall,
I'm extremely pleased with it.

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Like the Forte and SP6 - it would be nice to also see it in a synth action with 76 and 61 keys.
Some of these models like the Forte, Montage, Fantom etc. would be desirable keyless format to compete with laptops/software.


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Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin
How is the action compared to MODX?

I prefer the PC4 action to the MODX8 I played. But that doesn't guarantee that you will...


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BTW The new FM presets are amazing - and they spotlight the new lightning-fast envelopes. They brought in a raging badass to do these, Stephane from Barb&Co, a killer third party sound developer. Lots of fun to be had cascading the FM and non-FM stuff together, really powerful stuff.


Sounds promising. Moose Attack and Keys of Gold has been fixed inventory in my PC3X for many years.

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How is the action compared to MODX?

I prefer the PC4 action to the MODX8 I played. But that doesn't guarantee that you will...


Yes to this...It's a more solid action all around in the SP6/PC4 compared to the MODX (and the horrible action in the Yammy MX88 I sold) , I would have to agree w/that for my taste also owning a SP6 and playing the MODX quite a bit in GC when they came out...the only problem I have with it compared to a Yammy action is how it drives fff...really need to dig in a bit more.. but otherwise more balanced and less side to side key movement and more solid feeling...a bit more springy but not in a Nord /Fatar type of way... much more subdued than that.


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That sub 30lbs and what it means for the action is still a quandary. Have you had your hands on one out in the wild yet, Scott?

Yes. I like the action. It's not on my "very favorite" list but I'm finding it very nicely playable without frustration.

Going back over some of the other posts here...

Originally Posted by Al Coda
Again a new package of crippled FORTE and PC3 and because the Ribbon Controller connection came back, it´s now a PC4.
2 advantages: weight and price

Those are big advantages. But there are others.
* Compared to PC3: updated sound set, greater number of real-time controls, ability to load 2 GB of sample data, more polyphony, more fx units, better display
* Compared to Forte, well yeah, its largely a downscaled and lower-priced version of Forte, nothing wrong with that... but it also had the advantage of more real-time controls

Originally Posted by Al Coda
Originally Posted by Legatoboy
I love my SP6, this makes me want a PC4...

yeah, I love my chick ... it makes me want ... .

... a younger and more flexible version?

Originally Posted by rockinroller
I love my Artis 7 for live performing, in part because of the 10 Quick Access buttons just above the key bed ("Favorites") that allows assignment of 10 programs, splits, etc. I also like its key bed which is perfect for playing piano AND organ parts. I am wondering from anyone who's tried this PC4 if: (1) there's easy access to saved programs (i.e. 1 button), and (2) if the key bed is similar to the Artis 7 and not "clunky" like some of the SP's that Kurzweil has put out, specifically the SP4-7 which I've owned.

(1) the buttons on the right can be re-purposed to 10 Quick Access buttons... and there are 50 pages (banks, screens) of Quick Access assignments, so you're not limited to ten, you can create a second page if you want 20, and so forth, up to 500.
(2) It's a hammer action, so very different from either the Artis 7 or SP4-7. The hammer action makes it better for piano and worse for organ, though not as bad for organ as some other hammer actions are, in part because of the high trigger point available for organ playing, and just not being a heavy feeling action as hammer actions go.


That "quick access" is not quick enough for my purposes. I play in a trio and not only do the keys parts but also LH bass, so my hand cannot leave the keyboard for more than a split second during a song, to change a program. The Artis 7 (and Forte) locate a row of assignable "Favorites" buttons just above the key bed, in proximity sufficient to make a change without skipping a beat (literally). The "buttons on the right" on this PC4 are at least 3-4 times further away and there's no way I could change programs as fluidly as I do now on the Artis 7. I would love to have 88 notes in a decent gigging weight, but the absence of the "Quick" in "Access" doesn't get it for me.


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That "quick access" is not quick enough for my purposes. I play in a trio and not only do the keys parts but also LH bass, so my hand cannot leave the keyboard for more than a split second during a song, to change a program. The Artis 7 (and Forte) locate a row of assignable "Favorites" buttons just above the key bed, in proximity sufficient to make a change without skipping a beat (literally). The "buttons on the right" on this PC4 are at least 3-4 times further away and there's no way I could change programs as fluidly as I do now on the Artis 7. I would love to have 88 notes in a decent gigging weight, but the absence of the "Quick" in "Access" doesn't get it for me.

Can't you just switch programs/setups with a pedal? Then you wouldn't have to take any hands or fingers off the keyboard at all. It's a fairly simple thing to set up on a Kurzweil.

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That "quick access" is not quick enough for my purposes. I play in a trio and not only do the keys parts but also LH bass, so my hand cannot leave the keyboard for more than a split second during a song, to change a program. The Artis 7 (and Forte) locate a row of assignable "Favorites" buttons just above the key bed, in proximity sufficient to make a change without skipping a beat (literally). The "buttons on the right" on this PC4 are at least 3-4 times further away and there's no way I could change programs as fluidly as I do now on the Artis 7. I would love to have 88 notes in a decent gigging weight, but the absence of the "Quick" in "Access" doesn't get it for me.

Can't you just switch programs/setups with a pedal? Then you wouldn't have to take any hands or fingers off the keyboard at all. It's a fairly simple thing to set up on a Kurzweil.


I am pretty sure a pedal programmed to switch to different programs would have to be sequential--i.e. if I am performing with Program "1" and I need to go to Program "4" in the particular instance, I am guessing I would have to pedal-sequence through Programs 2 and 3 before arriving at 4, which would probably take as much or more time than taking a hand off the key bed and locating that assigned button in the Quick Access area of the PC4.


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Originally Posted by rockinroller
That "quick access" is not quick enough for my purposes. I play in a trio and not only do the keys parts but also LH bass, so my hand cannot leave the keyboard for more than a split second during a song, to change a program. The Artis 7 (and Forte) locate a row of assignable "Favorites" buttons just above the key bed, in proximity sufficient to make a change without skipping a beat (literally). The "buttons on the right" on this PC4 are at least 3-4 times further away and there's no way I could change programs as fluidly as I do now on the Artis 7. I would love to have 88 notes in a decent gigging weight, but the absence of the "Quick" in "Access" doesn't get it for me.

I see your point, but I find "a beat" long enough either way. On your Artis, could you really typically not hit the "Piano 1" button pretty much just as quickly as you could hit "Favorites 1"? (Also keep in mind that, with a couple of octaves devoted to LH bass, you're probably going to octave shift and move "middle C" to the C an octave higher, so your hand will be skewing toward the right for much of its playing anyway.) Also keep in mind that the buttons on the PC4, though similarly oriented toward the right, are actually much easier to hit quickly then the buttons on the Artis, because they are bigger targets and they are each well differentiated from each other. THat was one of my complaints about the Artis7 compared to the SP4-7 that kind of functionally preceded it... those small and thin Artis buttons, all butted up right against each other, were not nearly as easy to navigate and select quickly/reliably. I'm glad that's not an issue on the PC4.


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I love my SP6, this makes me want a PC4...

yeah, I love my chick ... it makes me want ... .

... a younger and more flexible version?


Same axe and sound basically(I know it has more but sonically and play-ability) , just with larger 'dials' and 'sliders;.....a Dials and Slider Job augmentation ...
I do use organ on gigs, I found the dials for that and other assignable parms and effects a bit confusing on the gig to use ,especially in low light, I'd prefer sliders for the drawbars and the effects levels or anything else as on the PC4 as opposed to the to the SP6...
everything else I'm sort of OK about on the 6!

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Can anyone confirm that the keybed on the PC4 is the same as the SP6 except for aftertouch?


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Can anyone confirm that the keybed on the PC4 is the same as the SP6 except for aftertouch?


as usual, there is no way around this. we have to get on one and try it out. even if it is the exact same action, the aftertouch strip is going to change how it feels to play it.


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That "quick access" is not quick enough for my purposes. I play in a trio and not only do the keys parts but also LH bass, so my hand cannot leave the keyboard for more than a split second during a song, to change a program. The Artis 7 (and Forte) locate a row of assignable "Favorites" buttons just above the key bed, in proximity sufficient to make a change without skipping a beat (literally). The "buttons on the right" on this PC4 are at least 3-4 times further away and there's no way I could change programs as fluidly as I do now on the Artis 7. I would love to have 88 notes in a decent gigging weight, but the absence of the "Quick" in "Access" doesn't get it for me.

I see your point, but I find "a beat" long enough either way. On your Artis, could you really typically not hit the "Piano 1" button pretty much just as quickly as you could hit "Favorites 1"? (Also keep in mind that, with a couple of octaves devoted to LH bass, you're probably going to octave shift and move "middle C" to the C an octave higher, so your hand will be skewing toward the right for much of its playing anyway.) Also keep in mind that the buttons on the PC4, though similarly oriented toward the right, are actually much easier to hit quickly then the buttons on the Artis, because they are bigger targets and they are each well differentiated from each other. THat was one of my complaints about the Artis7 compared to the SP4-7 that kind of functionally preceded it... those small and thin Artis buttons, all butted up right against each other, were not nearly as easy to navigate and select quickly/reliably. I'm glad that's not an issue on the PC4.


I view the QA buttons area on the PC3 and 4 boards as crowded compared to a single horizontal row on the Artis. In addition, I've labeled those 10 Favorites buttons on my Artis with the respective saved Multis (all having LH bass but different mid to high octave sounds) using a single 1/4" strip of paper defining each and taped down. It probably boils down to just being used to doing it a certain way and getting proficient at switching programs quickly and efficiently while performing.


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Picking up from the "new rig daydreaming - recommendations?" thread...

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I’ve been contemplating a similar change. I guess for OP, I wonder how important it is for you to have analogue knobby synth?

This is what I’m thinking for myself, if the PC4 has a good weighted keyboard feel to me, I’d consider getting the PC4 as a lower board and the MODX7 as the upper board. Well, another “if”, not sure I’d be satisfied with the KB3 sound for B3 and I might miss the Kronos?

These two boards are light at 28 and 16 lbs and would give a wide range of options, with the possible exception of a great organ sound.

The PC4 handles most of what is typically needed, so the question of what to best add for a non-hammer board is an interesting one. Maybe a knobby synth, maybe a higher quality organ. If you can't decide between those two, then it's probably a Nord Stage 3 Compact.

As for organ quality, remember that the PC4 also has assignable outs, making it easy to put organ through something like a Ventilator or Lester K. And the PC4 also has very flexible MIDI implementation which can help if you want to trigger its organ sounds for your other board for its action.

As for synth, with some effort, one could probably make a better knobby synth emulation out of its control surface than you've been able to on past models, since they added the 9 definable knobs to the 9 definable sliders and buttons... I think it has the highest number of definable controls of any Kurz. It still won't quite be the same as a dedicated knobby synth, though.

I'm actually thinking of going another way, and using the Roland AX-Edge, because it would do double duty as occasional keytar for some songs, which would be fun. I'd probably use it for a combination of its own sounds and to trigger PC4 sounds, just because I can. Also, picking up from the QA discussion above, the AX-Edge has nice convenient patch select buttons, and I think they'd be useable to select from both internal and external sounds.

The other boards I have that I'm thinking about are the Yamaha MODX7 and Korg PA1000. The MODX7 gives me a lightweight 76 keys and a soundset I've really grown accustomed to (I've had a Yamaha of some sort on most of my gigs this century); the PA1000 is a newer acquisition and I"m really enjoying some of its sonic capabilities as well, plus I might have it at a gig anyway since I've used it as my quick solo ceremony/cocktail board with its built in speakers... so by making it my top board, I might only be traveling with two boards instead of three.

For my LH bass gigs, I prefer playing LH bass on my upper board, but if I went with the 49-key AX-Edge, I'd switch and use the PC4 itself. The MODX7 of course gives me the comfortable 76 keys for LH bass. The PA1000 at 61 would be usable for LH bass... while I prefer more keys, the PA1000 is better than most 61s for LH bass because there's a front panel button dedicated to just octave shifting your right-hand sound on the fly, which kind of extends your 61 very quickly.

I'm not sure which ONE I would buy if putting together a dedicated 2-board rig from scratch, but since I do already own a variety, I'm sure I'll switch among different top boards depending on the particular gig. Realistically, if I'm playing LH bass, I'd have almost no opportunity to use a keytar anyway, so the AX-Edge loses its edge for those scenarios. So... maybe AX-Edge for simple 2-board gigs for its keytar benefit; PA1000 if I'm bringing it anyway or if it's a LH bass gig; or if I'm not bringing the Korg anyway, for LH bass gigs I could go with the more comfortable 76 keyspan of the MODX7 or NS3. NS3 better for organ, VA synth, and probably acoustic pianos (which could be triggered from the PC4), MODX advantages are light weight, better LH bass flexibility, better patch selection functionality, and stronger sounds outside the piano/organ/VA synth categories. Tough choice. Classic first world problem!


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OS 4 was just released for Forte and for PC4.


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I think the most interesting thing about the PC4 is that it is a valid alternative to the Korg Kronos. It has several sound engines, including VA, drawbar organ, 6 operator FM, VAST and so on. It has riff generators. It could be argued that the Kronos still has more. But the Kronos has several "engines" that are VA engines. True they emulate different analog synths from Korg's past, but I think it's stretching things to count them all as separate engines.

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Originally Posted by Radagast
I think the most interesting thing about the PC4 is that it is a valid alternative to the Korg Kronos. It has several sound engines, including VA, drawbar organ, 6 operator FM, VAST and so on. It has riff generators. It could be argued that the Kronos still has more. But the Kronos has several "engines" that are VA engines. True they emulate different analog synths from Korg's past, but I think it's stretching things to count them all as separate engines.


And on the other hand, talking about V.A.S.T. as "one" synth engine is kind of an understatement. Given how many different combinations of osc's, filters, DSP's, signal paths, FUN's, etc. you can make with V.A.S.T., you could argue that the Kurzweil has an "unknown high number of synth engines".

I'd say the PC4 has three very compelling advantages over the Kronos:
- You can carry it to gigs without having to hire a roadie.
- It is significantly cheaper, without cutting many corners in terms of sound and functionality.
- It boots much faster.

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I think the most interesting thing about the PC4 is that it is a valid alternative to the Korg Kronos. It has several sound engines, including VA, drawbar organ, 6 operator FM, VAST and so on. It has riff generators. It could be argued that the Kronos still has more. But the Kronos has several "engines" that are VA engines. True they emulate different analog synths from Korg's past, but I think it's stretching things to count them all as separate engines.


And on the other hand, talking about V.A.S.T. as "one" synth engine is kind of an understatement. Given how many different combinations of osc's, filters, DSP's, signal paths, FUN's, etc. you can make with V.A.S.T., you could argue that the Kurzweil has an "unknown high number of synth engines".

I'd say the PC4 has three very compelling advantages over the Kronos:
- You can carry it to gigs without having to hire a roadie.
- It is significantly cheaper, without cutting many corners in terms of sound and functionality.
- It boots much faster.



very interested in the PC4. I would rely on the SEQ, there are a few of us that like internal SEQ's.

Unfortunately , I am not seeing the capability to convert a PC4 midi Song file into an audio or WAV file.

Not talking about making a full CD.

Just converting or sampling the midi file into an audio WAV file. Then get it to USB device.

http://kurzweil.com/knowledgebase/mark_12i/song_recorder/136/

If this is correct, Kronos is more versatile for song writers,as it has audio in sampling. Where I can mix down
my SEQ Songs into a single WAV or audio file.

Yes, I know many are not interested in hardware SEQ's and have their DAWS. etc.

I like keyboards that function completely as a standalone for recording. Thus the time trip
back to work stations.

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We all have different priorities, I guess.

With the sequencer, you can use the audio outs to record to your format of choice - reel to reel, cassette, DAW, portable digital recorders or whatever.
Without a sequencer, it's a much more difficult road.

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I finally had a chance to try the Medeli K6 action, at a store that had a Yamaha P-125 and a Kawai ES-110 nearby, both of which are the same weight as the PC4. I was amazed at the difference -- the Yamaha and Kawai actions are superb and I think as realistic piano actions that are possible in a sub-30 pound board.

If only the PC4 had the Kawai ES110 action. Oh well ............

I'm assuming the Medeli 2400 and Kurz KA-90 have the K6, same as PC4.

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I just finished an initial 8+ minute demo video for Kurzweil (with no talking). Hopefully it will be posted soon. The more I play the PC4, the more I love it. Fantastic sounds, easy access to common parameters, immense flexibility in assigning controllers, and light weight. The Medeli action, while not as good as the Forte (obviously) is still playable and responsive. For $2k, I don't see how you could do any better.

Oh and the FM engine is awesome. Combined with the CC SEQ function and the fantastic onboard effects, the variety and expressiveness of the sounds is right up there with the Yamaha Montage for 1/4 the price. 256 note polyphony, up to 32 layers per program, 16 programs per multi?!? Insane multi-timbral capabilities.

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Originally Posted by Coker
Can anyone confirm that the keybed on the PC4 is the same as the SP6 except for aftertouch?


Yes. The aftertouch strip doesn't seem to affect the feel. At least that I can tell.

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