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Let's restir the pot re: Myths #2998180 07/11/19 03:44 PM
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List your favorite statements about bass guitar that many people consider true or logical, but have yet to be proven in any way. I'll start with a slew of them. And feel free to provide evidence to prove these myths. I would love for some of these to be taken off the table.

A heavier bridge increases sustain in a meaningful way.

Fretboard wood on a fretted bass changes the tone.

String through changes the tone noticeably

Length of string past either witness point makes any practical difference.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998238 07/11/19 11:32 PM
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Bass Player = Failed Guitarist


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998289 07/12/19 12:36 PM
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Old wood has more "mojo" than new wood.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998290 07/12/19 12:37 PM
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Magic Cables. Especially those power cables that Victor hawked for a little while.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998313 07/12/19 02:39 PM
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So let's break down the three "old saws" that you gents have presented. They are varied and interesting.

Bass Player = Failed Guitarist
So this one is "logical" for a variety of reasons, right? 4 is easier than 6, blah blah. But I think where this stereotype comes into play is when a mediocre guitar player in a pop/rock band switches to bass for any number of reasons and finds it "easier" because he couldn't quite play chords in the first place. Guitar players play chords and single lines, but in that genre, rarely do bass players play chords. So there are a slew of confirmation bias-laden examples to "support" this notion.

Of course, it's patently ridiculous. It's as absurd as claiming that a cajon player is a failed trap drummer. While the fundamentals and user interface are similar, the subtleties make all the difference. And once you leave the more harmonically and rhythmically simple genres, this breaks down altogether.

Old wood/new wood
This one is interesting as well. I think what people are implying is that DRIER wood, all else being equal, is more musically resonant. But is that true? Is there a materials science engineer in the house?

Boutique Power Cables
We've talked about this before. Once you eliminate poor manufacturing variances and level-set in terms of material and shielding, I think most reasonable people would say that different cables introduce the least amount of variation in a system. I think it was an editor in Stereo review that was challenged by James Randi to do a double blind test to identify the more expensive power cable, and offered him one million dollars. The editor never took him up on it even though he had written about the "clearer" sound that those power cables afforded the listener.


So do you think it would even be worth it to set out to really dispel these types of things with peer-reviewed scientific testing in practical situations? Not the loose mythbuster-type of testing, but rigorous scientific method? Or does fake news and marketing win the day?

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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998389 07/13/19 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by zeronyne
Not the loose mythbuster-type of testing, but rigorous scientific method?


So you're saying that we don't get to blow anything up?


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998549 07/14/19 07:12 PM
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I don't know about heavier bridges, but sustain is definitely affected by damping. This was the original idea behind the first Steinberger base which was made out of a single piece of composite material. So things like rigidity are a factor. Perhaps that naturally adds more mass, but I don't thing mass is the key component, just a side effect.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: Paul K] #2998570 07/14/19 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul K
Originally Posted by zeronyne
Not the loose mythbuster-type of testing, but rigorous scientific method?


So you're saying that we don't get to blow anything up?


I'm out.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: lug] #2998585 07/15/19 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lug
Old wood has more "mojo" than new wood.


Or that whole "tone wood" thing. It ain't a doghouse.

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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: Paul K] #2998608 07/15/19 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul K
Originally Posted by lug
Old wood has more "mojo" than new wood.


Or that whole "tone wood" thing. It ain't a doghouse.


Yeah, that one is fascinating as well. Taylor made a guitar out of pallet wood (and it had a massive forklift inlay) to prove that it wasn't the quality of the wood that was the issue.

Article about that guitar.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998623 07/15/19 12:23 PM
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Real bassists don't use a pick.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998625 07/15/19 12:50 PM
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my personal favorite myth:
15s have more low end than 10s.

response:
the frequency response of a speaker cabinet is a function of system engineering and not cone are. in the olden days people used to believe that because a 15 had a larger cone than a single 10 it had to have lower frequency response than 10s. in the world of real science™ we know that frequency response is a function of displacement, or the movement of air, which is dependent upon excursion, cone area, and cabinet design, and not simply cone area. this old trope neglected that a 4x10 cabinet has more cone area than a 1x15, and they are typically voiced with a mid scoop, which means more low end response.

the cabinet market now prioritizes portability, and has expanded to 12s and 8s, both as woofers.

Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: lug] #2998797 07/16/19 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lug
Real bassists don't use a pick.


And in a related note, if you do use a pick then a tighter string spacing is way cool. I have a couple 4 strings that I rebooted as 5 strings with Schaller roller bridges set to narrow as they'll go. Work very well with a pick (though i seldom pick up a pick).


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: Paul K] #2998848 07/16/19 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul K
Originally Posted by lug
Real bassists don't use a pick.


And in a related note, if you do use a pick then a tighter string spacing is way cool. I have a couple 4 strings that I rebooted as 5 strings with Schaller roller bridges set to narrow as they'll go. Work very well with a pick (though i seldom pick up a pick).


A real bassist wouldn't do that. Maybe a failed guitarist would...……………….


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #2998983 07/17/19 02:52 PM
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Here's a non-myth. I try to get to the gig before the drummer so I don't have to trip over all their crap. That, and I get to put my amp in the corner before he/she claims that real estate.


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Originally Posted by Paul K
Here's a non-myth. I try to get to the gig before the drummer so I don't have to trip over all their crap. That, and I get to put my amp in the corner before he/she claims that real estate.

I try to get to the gig before EVERYONE ELSE for precisely those reasons.

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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: butcherNburn] #3005866 08/31/19 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by butcherNburn
Bass Player = Failed Guitarist


NOT a myth: Guitarist = Lousy Bass Player.

Not always the case, but often is. They noodle around like their soloing the whole time, never hitting the root, never locking with the drums. Because "anyone can play bass."

As I often say at work (different context, but the principle holds): If anybody could, anybody would. And we see what happens when anybody does.


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Re: Let's restir the pot re: Myths [Re: zeronyne] #3008931 09/21/19 12:25 AM
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"Let's restir the pot" - not a myth.
Restiring your pots helps rid them of dust and cuts down on the scratchiness.


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