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Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal #2997841 07/09/19 06:48 PM
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With vintage synth prices through the roof, and out of most people’s budgets. I have seen, broken or non function synths on eBay, and people bidding on them like crazy, just so they can get a deal on a synth, without spending too much money.

I have learned, that doing this, is not really saving money, unless you do the repairs yourself. After paying for the instrument plus shipping, and the cost of repairing, is this really the best way to buy a vintage synth?

By the way, I had paid $250 for an ARP Omni then paid another $250.00 to have it repaired, only to turn around and sell it for $25.00. I lost money on that one. Buying a broken or non functioning synth is not a good Idea.


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997846 07/09/19 07:03 PM
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Most likely, they are buying them for parts. Some might have chips or other parts that are no longer available.


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997853 07/09/19 07:17 PM
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I don't recommend buying fixer-uppers unless you know what you are doing.

Expect cost of repairs to exceed the purchase price.

If you can't afford cost of repairs, do not attempt DIY repairs unless you are experienced. Especially analog polysynths, this is no place for a novice.

"As is" is exactly that - most likely malfunctioning, no returns.

The auction/classified websites are littered with broken gear. Sellers often don't disclose the malfunction. Some gear bounce from buyer to buyer because they didn't want to put up the cost of repair.

Required reading: Want to own vintage synths?

The vintage synth market is crazy - I have seen too many malfunctioning synths listed for the value of a working one!

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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997856 07/09/19 07:20 PM
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Also beware of sellers claiming "fully restored" without listing pictures of the insides. I have seen "fully restored" synths with the original defective components (like original capacitors/trimpots) still intact!

"Fully serviced" seems to be abused too.

Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997864 07/09/19 07:55 PM
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I've successfully sold a number of "dead" keyboards to buyers who tell me they'll be able to repair them and have a working model. Good luck to them - I don't want an non-operating keyboard, they get a bargain, I get a few beer tokens.

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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997931 07/10/19 01:33 AM
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Believe me, i would not do my own repairs, because I don’t know what I am doing?


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997934 07/10/19 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by paulkondig
Believe me, i would not do my own repairs, because I don’t know what I am doing?


Same - I would LOVE to develop the skills to be able to do stuff like this, but don't have the 2 years of time to pick up the skills frown

Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997941 07/10/19 02:20 AM
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I buy them to post impressive home studio pics on Facebook.

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Originally Posted by Chromedoggy
I buy them to post impressive home studio pics on Facebook.


Very Interesting!


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: Chromedoggy] #2997964 07/10/19 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Chromedoggy
I buy them to post impressive home studio pics on Facebook.

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A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2997983 07/10/19 08:08 AM
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As a trained electronics engineer I would not want to have synth repair as my source of income - inevitably there are no accurate diagrams and many of these things were handbuilt.
They invariably look like a rats nest inside and the truth is that if you find the part that needs to be replaced - often power supplies - something else blows that was on the way out.
I DID manage to buy a box of bits a fews years back for ARP synths and there was enough to repair a broken ProSoloist I had, plus sell the remaining spares.
I didn't do the repair myself and it took the guy A YEAR to get round to getting it done - a small profit was made but that must be unusual.


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Originally Posted by Losendoskeys
As a trained electronics engineer I would not want to have synth repair as my source of income - inevitably there are no accurate diagrams and many of these things were handbuilt.
They invariably look like a rats nest inside


Yes indeed!

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Originally Posted by Synthoid
Originally Posted by Losendoskeys
As a trained electronics engineer I would not want to have synth repair as my source of income - inevitably there are no accurate diagrams and many of these things were handbuilt.
They invariably look like a rats nest inside


Yes indeed!

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That is EXACTLY why, I would not repair a broken synth.


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: Synthoid] #2997997 07/10/19 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Synthoid
Originally Posted by Losendoskeys
As a trained electronics engineer I would not want to have synth repair as my source of income - inevitably there are no accurate diagrams and many of these things were handbuilt.
They invariably look like a rats nest inside


Yes indeed!

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And that is a TIDY one!


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: paulkondig] #2998001 07/10/19 12:50 PM
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As someone that has inherited a ton of bad Leslie speakers let me tell you taking vintage gear on is a huge money loosing business. Every console or speaker always needs some amount of work. True they were over engineered but years of neglect and misuse adds up quickly.


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On Craig's List musical instrument lists, the flashing yellow light is the word "Project."

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will trade for Gibson Or Fender or other USA or vintage guitar or $600


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Re: Buying a broken vintage synth just to get a good deal [Re: Tom Williams] #2998007 07/10/19 01:47 PM
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I have a Farfisa compact I paid $75.00 and $550.00 on a repair, and it is sitting in my closet, because I wouldn’t be able to sell it.


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It's a bit like classic car restoration - the parts may be the small part but the countless hours spent firkling are what causes them to not be financially sensible projects


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Recently I bought a dysfunctioning Poly 800 for 100 bucks. Thorough cleaning and soldering in a new battery brought it back to live. Now it's as good as new. I had forgotten how good this cheapo piece of an eighties analog synth can sound.

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Originally Posted by TomKittel
Recently I bought a dysfunctioning Poly 800 for 100 bucks. Thorough cleaning and soldering in a new battery brought it back to live. Now it's as good as new. I had forgotten how good this cheapo piece of an eighties analog synth can sound.


Oh my. I couldn't get rid of mine fast enough back in the 80's.


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Originally Posted by TomKittel
Recently I bought a dysfunctioning Poly 800 for 100 bucks. Thorough cleaning and soldering in a new battery brought it back to live. Now it's as good as new. I had forgotten how good this cheapo piece of an eighties analog synth can sound.


Once I a won an ebay auction for a Oberheim XK masterkeyboard ...
It was 39 bucks plus shipping.
The previous owner sold as "defect",- so there were not many bidders.
1st we found out he already socketed all the chips which was great.
Cleaning levers, slider and the other was easy as pie, re-seating aftertouch strip too.
After performing the reset/calibration procedure, which was just only a few button presses, it worked perfect.
Then I decided for replacing all the tact switches which, with help of the web, were easy to find and cheap too and now I´ve found a much better PSU which fit´s inside the enclosure ... wow.
A friend (service tech) did all the soldering jobs,- I paid for and that was o.k..
This thing is now better than new and is a perfect keyboard for the Oberheim Xpander which,- since the XK has 3 zones,- I can layer w/ software emulations like OP-X Pro II and freeware DiscoDSP Obx-d.

Just an example for it´s not urgently a nitemare buying occasions and invest some time and money.
I´m often happy with it.

Restoring a Yammi CS80 is for sure a different story !

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I didn't know Yanni had a CS-80.







Oh, wait...


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I once bought a used Emulator 3 for $300 because it had no audio. I reseated the ribbon cables and boom - sound!


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