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DAW Roll Call #2994848 06/19/19 04:49 PM
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Which one(s) do you use, and why? Inquiring minds want to know. If you use more than one, indicate which is your primary, secondary, etc.

Also, if you switched from one DAW to another one, it would be interesting to know why...

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I use Magix Audio Studio. It was cheap and seems to do all the basics that I need. It's an older version, which I also like because it's very clean and simple. Too many newer DAW's try to look flashy and fancy and end up just looking cluttered. That said, I'm not doing a lot of serious work. I'll mix down some practices or demos, but we go to the studio for the hardcore stuff.


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DP. Been using Performer since I had v2.2 on my Mac SE30 three+ decades ago

Why should I change? I kinda know where everything is... idk

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Originally Posted by Dave Bryce
DP. Been using Performer since I had v2.2 on my Mac SE30 three+ decades ago

Why should I change? I kinda know where everything is... idk

dB



I started with Performer on my Mac Classic many years ago, but that was MIDI only - no audio. I'm on a PC now, but I think if I were to go back to a Mac, DP would be the route to go.

I should mention that I DO own an old MBP that I use with my Presonus digital mixer. It came with Capture and a light version of Studio One. But usually I just use Capture to get the wav flies and fly them all into Magix.


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Live and Reason.

Have but hardly ever use: Logic and Pro Tools.

Retired: Sonar

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Logic and GarageBand. But mostly, Logic. I don't know why, I just like it. It feels right to me.


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I use GarageBand - it came with the computer, is relatively easy to use, and handles my limited needs well. Even a number of the samples are useable.


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Cubase originally in the 90s, then Pro Tools late 90s but as a Mac user I couldn't afford to ignore Logic any longer so moved to that about 5 years ago. Would still KILL for a Pro Tools to Logic session converter, not that that will ever happen.

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I'll stick with DP which I've been using since ver 5 although I must admit I've not done much of my own music making in a long while. I switched to DP shortly after I decided to try using computers at live gigs. Up until that time I'd mostly used Cakewalk/Sonar on PC's. When I tried taking that on live shows it quickly became a pain in the ass. The Windows Toshiba laptop was real picky about where and when things got plugged in and I spent precious setup time rebooting and messing with the computer. Influenced by magazines and forums I purchased a Mac Powerbook and DP5 and after some time spent getting up to speed that proved to be a much more efficient live setup.
Through numerous upgrades I continued to use DP right up until last September when the band I'd been with for four years finally found and got my replacement up to speed. It was a long process as I'd given notice clear back in February.

Number two for me is definitely Reason. The Adapted version came with some interface I bought years ago. I just couldn't get enough of it and have been on that upgrade train ever since. I "rewired' it into DP for sampling on live gigs and even used samples I created in NN19 when I played with the rock band at the "Ultimate Rock Hits Show" with the Dubuque Symphony Orchestra in January 2018.

I haven't done anything to speak of with computer music since getting out of the band but lately the desire to get back into it has been strong. My performing life is pretty simple and fun now, my wife and I formed a duo and have done a couple gigs with a few more upcoming. She plays keys, flute, mandolin and the EWI5000 I bought her for her birthday in 2018 while I play guitar and keys. I've recently begun to re-enlist DP in the hopes of creating some backing tracks I can play from the sequencer in the Korg Krome I'm using.

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Originally Posted by ggm1960
Number two for me is definitely Reason. The Adapted version came with some interface I bought years ago. I just couldn't get enough of it and have been on that upgrade train ever since. I "rewired' it into DP for sampling on live gigs and even used samples I created in NN19 when I played with the rock band at the "Ultimate Rock Hits Show" with the Dubuque Symphony Orchestra in January 2018.


I think ReWire is really underrated. Whenever I hear someone say "Oh, I use Pro Tools...Live looks so cool, but I don't want to switch" all I can think is you don't have to. Ditto the people who bemoan not having great instruments bundled with their DAW - get Reason. Case closed smile

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I haven't done anything to speak of with computer music since getting out of the band but lately the desire to get back into it has been strong.


Follow that impulse...it's never been a better time to get involved in computer music. I hope to blow a few minds at GearFest this weekend when I explain why I feel that way.

Question: Do you use the amp sims in DP? I think they're pretty amazing, especially given that they're bundled with the program.

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I have been using Pro Tools for almost two decades, and I use it because I know it reasonably well and have established a rapport with it. And for me, there's great value in that because I can get straight to creating and not tinkering or fiddling. I attempted to switch to Reaper, which I liked quite a bit, but I have an erratic schedule, and I feel it would be easier to learn a DAW if i used it continuously for three weeks instead of using it sporadically here and there, making it difficult to learn.

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I'm in the Dave Bryce camp...Digital Performer ever since I could run it with a 40 meg HD and 6 megs of RAM. I've cheated with others along the way, but never left DP.

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Logic Pro X for more than 10 years. It seemed like the obvious choice when I switched from PCs to Mac. Im happy with it. Before that Sonar on a PC.

Re: DAW Roll Call [Re: Anderton] #2995098 06/21/19 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Anderton

Follow that impulse...it's never been a better time to get involved in computer music. I hope to blow a few minds at GearFest this weekend when I explain why I feel that way.

Question: Do you use the amp sims in DP? I think they're pretty amazing, especially given that they're bundled with the program.


We rode the Harleys to Gearfest last year but Friday was a travel day and I think that was the only day you had a presentation. It's a blast but we won't make it this year.

I have browsed through those amp sims but I haven't used them for any actual recording. For a number of years most of my sequencer work has revolved around creating sounds, samples and sequences to use with bands. I have a backlog of songs of my own I'd like to get busy on and I would probably incorporate some of DP's amp sims, there are some good sounds there.

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Hope this isn't a hijack, but maybe a discussion around versions and OS. I have a tendency to not want to upgrade because they add in so much stuff that all of a sudden it doesn't work on an older computer. Some of you guys are always upgrading computers and software - I just want my music computer to work and stay that way. As you guys list your preferred DAW, hardware, OS and DAW version would also be interesting.


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I'm a sucker for upgrades. smile I'm using the latest macOS and Logic, and every time one of them upgrades since I have it set to automatic, I hope my projects don't get messed up. But, I don't work on them a lot so it's not really a problem. If I were doing it all the time or had clients, I would update more cautiously.


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Originally Posted by J. Dan
Hope this isn't a hijack, but maybe a discussion around versions and OS. I have a tendency to not want to upgrade because they add in so much stuff that all of a sudden it doesn't work on an older computer. Some of you guys are always upgrading computers and software - I just want my music computer to work and stay that way. As you guys list your preferred DAW, hardware, OS and DAW version would also be interesting.


I had wrote: "I have been using Pro Tools for almost two decades, and I use it because I know it reasonably well and have established a rapport with it. And for me, there's great value in that because I can get straight to creating and not tinkering or fiddling. I attempted to switch to Reaper, which I liked quite a bit, but I have an erratic schedule, and I feel it would be easier to learn a DAW if i used it continuously for three weeks instead of using it sporadically here and there, making it difficult to learn."

To this I'll add that - don't laugh - I am still using the original Mac Pro 1,1 from about 2006 because I don't have enough money to upgrade to my newer iMac (2018) because of upgrading PT, all the third-party software, and the HDs. I have a tower with large HD capacity and it works great, so I'm just going to keep it going. I am presently using OS 10.7.5, which is as high as I can update the OS. Basically, I have a computer that is frozen in time. I am in the extreme minority here, but I just don't care because it works great. The DAW version of PT is I think somewhere around 10.3. I think.

I purchased a new computer not so much because of PT but because of running Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. The old computer was struggling with the increased file sizes and various demands placed on it, and wasn't doing well with Photoshop. However, file sizes for Pro Tools haven't increased at all, and in fact, it runs better than ever because I have an SSD inside now.

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Originally Posted by KenElevenShadows
I am still using the original Mac Pro 1,1 from about 2006 because I don't have enough money to upgrade to my newer iMac (2018) because of upgrading PT, all the third-party software, and the HDs. I have a tower with large HD capacity and it works great, so I'm just going to keep it going. I am presently using OS 10.7.5, which is as high as I can update the OS. Basically, I have a computer that is frozen in time. I am in the extreme minority here, but I just don't care because it works great. The DAW version of PT is I think somewhere around 10.3. I think.

This is a perfectly reasonable strategy. Its what I was hinting at with my post above. The only issue is if the machine dies to where it cannot be fixed and you need something new.

Many people would be better served by buying their computer and not upgrading. I know a graphic designer who complains about having to upgrade but I wonder if she really needs to. Have Photoshop file formats changed? Because if they havent, she could just keep using the version she has and send those ps files.


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Still using my Mackie hard disk recorder and Soundcraft console and Sound Forge for editing and stereo recording. If I have to use a real DAW, it's usually Reaper, Mixbus, or ProTools 10 in that order.

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Originally Posted by KenElevenShadows
To this I'll add that - don't laugh - I am still using the original Mac Pro 1,1 from about 2006 because I don't have enough money to upgrade to my newer iMac (2018) because of upgrading PT, all the third-party software, and the HDs. I have a tower with large HD capacity and it works great, so I'm just going to keep it going. I am presently using OS 10.7.5, which is as high as I can update the OS. Basically, I have a computer that is frozen in time. I am in the extreme minority here, but I just don't care because it works great.


I'm not sure you're in an extreme minority overall. A lot of people keep using what works. Hey, I have a 1966 Telecaster that works just fine...I see no reason to buy a new one smile

I'm in a different extreme minority - I've been using Acid, Cakewalk, Cubase, Pro Tools, Reason, Studio One, and Vegas since version 1.0 of all of these programs (well technically, Pro Tools was Sound Tools). So, I have to keep everything updated so it's all in sync. I only got really tripped up when there were many months without a 64-bit compatible Reason librar,y and Pro Tool's glacier-like march to 64-bit operation. From time to time, there are various issues - e.g., you can't enable ReWire in Studio One when using NI Komplete Kontrol, and Ableton doesn't recognize VST3 plug-ins - but overall, the experience has been smoother than you might expect using all these different programs.

When Studio One hit version 4, that really flipped a switch for me in terms of it being a great DAW for songwriting. Cakewalk still has several mixing features I like (Mix Recall, Upsampling). Live is the only software I'll use for live performance because of its stability. Reason continues to be my "backline," thanks to ReWire.

Pro Tools is something I use when I have to. It's fine for what it does, but it doesn't have various features which have become important to me. Cubase is incredible, it can do everything, but it's overkill for my needs. I do use it from time to time, though. I sometimes export tracks to Digital Performer to use the amps sims and guitar effects, which are really quite something.

I'm rather intrigued by the latest version of Acid, which I thought had died. Magix is to be commended for raising it from the dead. I'd forgotten how easy it is to put together acidized loops and create something in minutes. It still lags way behind with MIDI and a few other things, but I'm impressed that Magix didn't just give up, but took care of the people who still have Acid projects sitting on their hard drives.

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Im on Logic pro. Was the obvious move when I needed more options in GarageBand.

Im surprised there are not many ableton users here. Never worked with it, but that would be the one if I would switch, I think.

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I'm a sucker for upgrades. smile I'm using the latest macOS and Logic, and every time one of them upgrades since I have it set to automatic, I hope my projects don't get messed up.


My bassist had logic on an automatic update with the latest version (10.4.5). Midi was all screwed up in is projects. Luckily he could restore using time machine. I always wait when I know its stable!


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Im surprised there are not many ableton users here. Never worked with it, but that would be the one if I would switch, I think.


I don't have Ableton personally, but when performing live, the other person I am playing music with uses Ableton Live on a laptop, and swears it's the best thing for live performance.

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Pro Tools is something I use when I have to. It's fine for what it does, but it doesn't have various features which have become important to me.


For you or anyone else who has any insight into Pro Tools....why ARE they so late in adopting what are commonplace in other DAWs? The freeze track function took years for them to implement.

The one thing I will say for them is that when they do come around to implementing something, it seems to be done pretty well.

Since I use PT as a glorified tape machine except for its editing capabilities, I'm fine. I don't need tons of instruments, sims, and other stuff, and it's editing is more than capable. But I do find myself scratching my head over how they are so late to the game with crucial features that others have (64-bit, freezing tracks, etc.).

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Have been using GarageBand, then Logic & FCP for 5 years (when I switched to the Mac). Never been thrilled with the interfaces - sure they are usable, filled with features and stable. But even now that I know the software well, the interfaces still kludgey to me, they feel like they were created by someone who is more of a programmer than an artist.

5 years later, Im still wistful for the slickness of the Sony Vegas and Acid Pro interface. Its too bad they never ported them over to the Mac - I honestly think they would have owned the Mac.

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I’m surprised there are not many ableton users here. Never worked with it, but that would be the one if I would switch, I think.


I don't have Ableton personally, but when performing live, the other person I am playing music with uses Ableton Live on a laptop, and swears it's the best thing for live performance.


Ableton's audio engine is incredibly stable. In all the years I've been using it, it has NEVER hiccuped on me live.

The only way to get it to stop is to lift the laptop running it 10 feet above a concrete floor, and drop the laptop. Although even then, the screen and case might be cracked, but Live could conceivably still be running.

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Pro Tools is something I use when I have to. It's fine for what it does, but it doesn't have various features which have become important to me.


For you or anyone else who has any insight into Pro Tools....why ARE they so late in adopting what are commonplace in other DAWs? The freeze track function took years for them to implement.

The one thing I will say for them is that when they do come around to implementing something, it seems to be done pretty well.

Since I use PT as a glorified tape machine except for its editing capabilities, I'm fine. I don't need tons of instruments, sims, and other stuff, and it's editing is more than capable. But I do find myself scratching my head over how they are so late to the game with crucial features that others have (64-bit, freezing tracks, etc.).


I really don't know. I agree that when they implement something, they do it well. Maybe they just want to take their time and get it right because of all the people who depend on it. But once you find there are features in other programs that speed up workflow for some types of projects by a huge percentage, Pro Tools becomes less attractive.

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Originally Posted by Anderton
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I really don't know. I agree that when they implement something, they do it well. Maybe they just want to take their time and get it right because of all the people who depend on it. But once you find there are features in other programs that speed up workflow for some types of projects by a huge percentage, Pro Tools becomes less attractive.


Oh yeah, I would think so.

I've tried switching. I liked Reaper. But the thing is that I use a DAW sporadically, not every day, and I found it difficult to try and learn another program, and I already have a workflow with PT, so as pathetic as they can be at giving us new features that speed workflow, and as much as I need to save money, I'm still using PT. But given the resources and cash they have, I just don't know why they are so slow to change. Especially since other DAWs have been taking enormous chunks away from their profit line.

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Originally Posted by KenElevenShadows
But given the resources and cash they have, I just don't know why they are so slow to change. Especially since other DAWs have been taking enormous chunks away from their profit line.


Sometimes, I think progress is inversely proportional to the number of developers. When you think of the fastest-moving DAWs, it's Studio One, Reaper, and Cakewalk. All of them have very small teams of developers, so they don't waste time with meetings, bureaucracies, and politics.

On a related note, EQ magazine was at its absolute most successful when it was just Mitch Gallagher and me running it. Our staff meetings were literally 5 minutes, and done over the phone. We'd divvy up the articles, decide which authors we were going to use...done. Of course there was page layout and art direction, but they also controlled their worlds, without interference.

Meetings are the death of productivity. Avid is a big company. I think the two may be related. smile

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Originally Posted by Anderton
On a related note, EQ magazine was at its absolute most successful when it was just Mitch Gallagher and me running it. Our staff meetings were literally 5 minutes, and done over the phone.

OT question - any chance you guys team up and host a Gear Review Forum here on MPN? Kinda like a one-stop shop for pro online reviews. Maybe partner with some of the sponsors.

Between the two of you, you guys have some of the best gear reviews on the net.

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On a related note, EQ magazine was at its absolute most successful when it was just Mitch Gallagher and me running it. Our staff meetings were literally 5 minutes, and done over the phone.

OT question - any chance you guys team up and host a ‘Gear Review Forum’ here on MPN? Kinda like a one-stop shop for pro online reviews. Maybe partner with some of the sponsors.

Between the two of you, you guys have some of the best gear reviews on the net.


Well, Sweetwater keeps Mitch pretty busy! But I would like to start Pro Reviews again, and do more reviews in general. Stay tuned...the Musicplayer thing has kind of taken me by surprise, but I have plans smile

I'm thinking of doing reviews specifically in this forum. If it gets out of hand, though, we may need a separate forum for reviews - so your idea makes a lot of sense.

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Cakewalk by Bandlab is giving me fits. Crashes a couple of times a week. And another problem - at times, working on a project with multiple VST instruments going, all the VST instruments will become unresponsive. It's like they all just freeze up - if I bring up the instrument interface, even the virtual keyboard at the bottom of the interface will not work - the virtual keys won't even virtually press. The only way to salvage the tracks with VST instruments is to launch another instance of each instrument in a new track and copy/paste the MIDI from the frozen instance into the new one. Very tedious....I can easily have 7-10 VST instruments on any given project.

I've seen others bring this up in the user forum, with no solutions on offer.

So....I think I'll pick up Live 10 for $99. My son uses it, so we can compare notes and help each other. I'll probably compose and track on Live, then port the audio files only back over to Cakewalk for mixing. The effects VSTs have no issues on Cakewalk - just the instruments. And I'm totally addicted to Cakewalk's Pro Channel for one thing. And just used to it since I've been using Cakewalk since before it even did audio.

Maybe I'll eventually leave Cakewalk for something like Reaper. But one new DAW at a time....

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So....I think I'll pick up Live 10 for $99. My son uses it, so we can compare notes and help each other. I'll probably compose and track on Live, then port the audio files only back over to Cakewalk for mixing. The effects VSTs have no issues on Cakewalk - just the instruments. And I'm totally addicted to Cakewalk's Pro Channel for one thing. And just used to it since I've been using Cakewalk since before it even did audio.


Why not just ReWire Live into Cakewalk? Then you don't have to port anything...create in Reason while you mix in Cakewalk smile

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So....I think I'll pick up Live 10 for $99. My son uses it, so we can compare notes and help each other. I'll probably compose and track on Live, then port the audio files only back over to Cakewalk for mixing. The effects VSTs have no issues on Cakewalk - just the instruments. And I'm totally addicted to Cakewalk's Pro Channel for one thing. And just used to it since I've been using Cakewalk since before it even did audio.


Why not just ReWire Live into Cakewalk? Then you don't have to port anything...create in Reason while you mix in Cakewalk smile


Thanks for the tip - ReWire/Reason is something I've never looked into.

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This wouldn't involve Reason, you'd just open Cakewalk first, then Live, and insert Live as a ReWire instrument within Cakewalk. It's really simple once you get past the relatively benign learning curve...it seems like it would HAVE to be more difficult than this, but it isn't smile

I wrote an article for Harmony Central about using ReWire, with Sonar serving as the example host. I think you'll find it helpful. Cakewalk has quite a good ReWire implementation, which is a good thing for your application.

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Im surprised there are not many ableton users here. Never worked with it, but that would be the one if I would switch, I think.


I've always wanted to like Live but I've always seemed to run into a snag with it. Since I never did much with it I've stalled out at ver. 8 but I've had it going back a couple versions before that. There was a point when I had a little time while being keyboardist in the busy band I was in that I attempted to switch over to using Live from DP but I ran into a setup problem the details of which I don't recall. Time, as always, became tight again and I defaulted back to DP which does all I need and so much more. Later when I got the gig as keyboardist for a rock show with the symphony orchestra I needed some multi-sampling. Again I thought I'd give Live a shot but alas, to get the functionality I needed I would have had to upgrade my standard version. I already had Reason which would do what I needed so I just went with that!

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Studio One

I recorded this album with it a couple of years ago. Haven't touched it since. Until yesterday, that is. For some reason I got the urge to re-acquaint myself with it. To which end I recorded bass and drums for one of my songs, just to see if I could remember how to do it

I used the built-in instruments (Impact and Presence) and auditioned various bass sounds until I encountered something called Taurus. Waaw, it sounds amazing coupled with the heavy drums I chose! Like a cross between me and Tubeway Army

Might just take my laptop to a rehearsal room, stick it through the PA, and sing along to it. Might be worth buying (or renting) a guitar and amp, too idea


The past is gone. I'm sure it can take care of itself now.

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Studio One

I recorded this album with it a couple of years ago. Haven't touched it since. Until yesterday, that is. For some reason I got the urge to re-acquaint myself with it. To which end I recorded bass and drums for one of my songs, just to see if I could remember how to do it

I used the built-in instruments (Impact and Presence) and auditioned various bass sounds until I encountered something called Taurus. Waaw, it sounds amazing coupled with the heavy drums I chose! Like a cross between me and Tubeway Army


I'll have to give Taurus a try!

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Might just take my laptop to a rehearsal room, stick it through the PA, and sing along to it. Might be worth buying (or renting) a guitar and amp, too idea


What? You don't have a guitar and amp?!?

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It's actually called 'Big Taurus'

I got rid of all my gear a while ago. The only thing I kept was my bass guitar. No idea why. I never use it. And my laptop. I don't consider that 'gear', as such


The past is gone. I'm sure it can take care of itself now.

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Now I have Pro Tools for compatibility reasons only. My main DAWs are Reason and Live (why do people keep calling it Ableton?). I use Reason because of the tremendously elegant workflow (despite the skeuomorphic overkill) and sheer number of instruments...I even liked that it was a closed system. I use Live for composition when I'm writing in a non-linear fashion or, of course, when trying to be compatible with someone else using Live.


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Do you ever ReWire Reason into Live so you can take advantage of those instruments?

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I went all-in on Live a couple years ago, including the Push (and now the Push 2). Incredible tool once you get into it.

For a linear DAW I still fall back to Reaper. I've tried others but really haven't found much reason to go with something else. Studio One is pretty cool but since I do more creative work in Live I don't have much need for all the bells & whistles, and the full version is $$$.

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I wrote machine code on a PDP11 in 1983 to control a Buchla 100 and an ARP 2500. I wish I could say I was still using that system, if only to see folks' expressions. smile

Since then, I've used Music-X and Bars&Pipes on an Amiga 500, Creator on an Atari 1040ST, Cakewalk since version 2 or so on a PC, Opcode Vision and Vision DSP (still my Lost Lenore) on a Mac, and -- after becoming a DAW reviewer for a pro audio magazine -- dabbled in Metro, Peak/Deck, Logic, Studio One, Reaper, Reason/Record (does that date me?), Tracktion/Waveform, Bitwig Studio, Numerology, Lumit... jack of all trades and master of very few, because I kept having to shift focus. Now that I'm not doing that any more, I will try to choose a single linear sequencer/recorder to get really good at, with my top candidates being Studio One, Bitwig, and Reaper as an outside contender.

All that said, the vast majority of my music making these days is live, direct to stereo, whether gigging out or doing live improvs on the radio, and most of my recent albums haven't even been multitracked. I play live, cut out the egregious errors, and release what's left, with imperfections left in so there's a sense of humanity in the music, and that formula's worked for me for almost 20 years now. To do that, for the past 15ish years I have relied heavily on Ableton Live. I've owned it since version 1.5, used it steadily since version 3, used it exclusively on stage since version 5, and most of my studio today is based around it.

Is it perfect? Hell no. The tabbed interface in a single window can be downright maddening, and the Arrangement View has never made any real sense to me. Its steadfast refusal to understand polyphonic aftertouch or MPE is making me at least consider a move elsewhere, but after so many years, it's nearly instinctive for me, and I'm still learning more about it every time I boot it up. And as Craig mentioned, it's solid as a tank and runs well on even old hardware.

Besides, Live uses Ableton Link, the most important advancement in digital music communication since the invention of MIDI. The first non-Ableton DAW that adds proper Link support will probably be the one I go with, if it has the other things I need it to do (hence my putting Bitwig on equal footing with Studio One at the moment)...


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I've never really considered Ableton Live as a DAW, I consider it more a musical instrument disguised as software. I am very much into the right tool for the right job, and I would not use anything other than Ableton Live for live performance. In the studio, when Studio One switched over to version 4, I felt it had such compelling features for songwriting that it was worth switching.

When I talk with many people about using more than one DAW, often the reaction is "but I really don't want to have to learn another program." I remind them that because they've been using a DAW, they know how to do 90% of what a DAW does. All they really have to learn are the differences. I don't find it that difficult to switch among DAWs, but the caveat is that you need to use them consistently.

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Originally Posted by Anderton
When I talk with many people about using more than one DAW, often the reaction is "but I really don't want to have to learn another program." I remind them that because they've been using a DAW, they know how to do 90% of what a DAW does. All they really have to learn are the differences. I don't find it that difficult to switch among DAWs, but the caveat is that you need to use them consistently.

I think some people still find computers to be scary. I've heard people say similar things about word-processing programs, spreadsheets, etc. I don't know if it's true for "the kids" (aka millennials), but for older generations I've seen it a bit.


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I think some people still find computers to be scary.


That's because they are! Software companies beat themselves up that they don't make it easier for beginners, but I tell them the main user-hostile element is the computer, more than the software.

When I was consulting for Sony years ago, I was asked if I could write up a simple process for getting files from Acid on to one of their MP3 players. "It should only take you about three steps, you should be able to knock it off in an afternoon."

I turned in a document with 23 steps, and they were NOT happy. "We told you to keep it simple!" I asked which steps could be removed, and said I'd remove them. None of the steps could be removed, and most of them dealt with things you had to do in Windows (like how to navigate to where you wanted to export the file).

At NAMM, I was talking to a music store owner who bemoaned the fact that people would buy interfaces from him, but they'd sit in the closet because people found computers too daunting. TASCAM tried to solve the learning hump with their Track Factory, which had a Windows computer pre-configured for music, and dedicated to only that task, with SONAR pre-loaded on it. Unfortunately, this was just before Cakewalk went under, so we'll never know whether the concept was valid or not.

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Good points, Craig. But what I find funny or interesting is that people are afraid of the things, as if their computer is connected to NORAD and might blow up the planet if they do something wrong.

I get it though. This is why iOS is so popular. If an app can do something, it's there, not behind a ton of menus or submenus or whatever. And because each app is generally isolated, there's no risk you'll brick your device by trying one app and poking around in it. What a concept!


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Good points, Craig. But what I find funny or interesting is that people are afraid of the things, as if their computer is connected to NORAD and might blow up the planet if they do something wrong.!


To someone who depends on a computer to make their music better than it really is, losing a track can be, to them, a similar catastrophe.

And some people, when using a computer with an application like Twitter, practically CAN blow up the planet.

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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara

I think some people still find computers to be scary.


And/or extremely time consuming. I've been away from my older MBP/Presonus SL1642/Digital Performer and other software/plugin recording system for a couple years and recently tried to rekindle that relationship. There's no point in even starting unless you've got several uninterrupted hours to get things updated, renew leases, restore/find old passwords let alone try to remember how the hardware and software operates!

I have newer gear that I could/should be using but I'd been clinging onto that setup because it was the last 17" MBP and had the expresscard slot for the UAD Solo Laptop thingie.

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I think some people still find computers to be scary.


And/or extremely time consuming. I've been away from my older MBP/Presonus SL1642/Digital Performer and other software/plugin recording system for a couple years and recently tried to rekindle that relationship. There's no point in even starting unless you've got several uninterrupted hours to get things updated, renew leases, restore/find old passwords let alone try to remember how the hardware and software operates!

I have newer gear that I could/should be using but I'd been clinging onto that setup because it was the last 17" MBP and had the expresscard slot for the UAD Solo Laptop thingie.


Apparently TASCAM's Model 24 is selling very well, better than expected. That might be a statement of its own.

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Finally I'm going to bail on Cakewalk. Jeez, I was a Cakewalk user when it was MIDI-only....but I'm just too tired of crashing over and over and over.

This is not an entirely rational decision - it's rather like deciding you've finally had enough in a 25-year long relationship. All I can see is for the future is all I've seen in the past over and over.

My latest miseries are just more of the same - all of a sudden, I crash in a project that I've been working on crash-free for weeks. I go through the motions - freeze the VSTs one by one, eventually get running again until WHAM out of nowhere - do the whole bit over again.

Problems with Sonar/Cakewalk have persisted computer to computer, OS to OS, year to year, release to release. I love the program or I wouldn't have stayed with it so long. But I can't remember the last time I worked on a project start to finish without a whole series of crashes.

I think it's a geriatric dinosaur of a program after all these decades of development. It needs re-writing from the ground up. Too many patches on patches on patches keeping old inefficient routines going. Oh, it's full of great stuff, no question. But I'm cooking hard in my music kitchen with serious time limitations and I just can't have my stove blowing up at these frequent intervals.

So I downloaded Reaper. I can't believe the code is so tiny! Microscopic! Up and running in 30. Cakewalk, in the bin in the alley I plan to never revisit.

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I have a ton of older projects in Cakewalk, and lately I've been re-visiting them. I am finding that Cakewalk by BandLab is more stable than Sonar was, however, I'm holding off on the July update until there's an all-clear.

I've been using Studio One's Song page for new projects for over a year, and finding it very sleek (I've been using the Project page for mastering since version 1.0, so it's not like I'm new to the program). It's not crash-proof, but so far that has involved plug-ins. For example, sometimes Helix Native crashes it, sometimes not. I keep trying to figure out what puts it in the "sometimes not" column. It seems (no conclusions yet) that inserting it on a track that already includes audio is the solution. But the issue also seems graphics card-related, because the crash is preceded by a failure to draw the GUI.

The more closed the ecosystem, the more stable the DAW. I think this is why Reason is stable, and also, Ableton Live (although that seems to be "closed" because of user preference, not technical limitations). The more a program tries to do - particularly under Windows - the greater the risk.

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Originally Posted by Anderton

The more closed the ecosystem, the more stable the DAW. I think this is why Reason is stable, and also, Ableton Live (although that seems to be "closed" because of user preference, not technical limitations). The more a program tries to do - particularly under Windows - the greater the risk.


So very true - that closed vs. open thing is the old Apple vs. PC paradigm at least from back in the day. I've always preferred the open approach to a certain point...don't mind spending saturday afternoon under the hood. I read electronics textbooks, I build my PCs, I program my synths, I actually read manuals, and I find the etymologies of words endlessly interesting. My geekness is apparent to all who know me for better or worse.

But the computer world is gradually moving away from this old-school geekistic approach. Not that there are not a lot of people who don't want to be deep into the details of some pursuit or other - but, for example, an acoustic guitar player would typically rather deep dive into chords and modes and right-hand technique rather than adjusting truss rods, filing frets, and fixing cracked tops. So with computers - people want tools that get stuff done. No problem if the tools are complex or even fiddly, but it's a problem if they are simply breaking down and halting production all the time. A bug here and there is too be expected. But there's a point...

I almost opted for Ableton Live, but it's a bit too pricey for the regular package. I might DL the $99 version with the 16-track limit just to play with it and see what makes it squeek and spin.

So far, Reaper is impressive. And so very tweakable! And it could just be my imagination, but I could almost say it sounds better.



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OK, I am perusing the prevous posts so I don't post repeats of covered topics, plus learning stuffs. Post above me is from August so not too bad... :-D

I started with MOTU AudioDesk, I had a G4 Powerbook and bought a MOTU 896. I then moved up to DP, version 3 I think. I dabbled with it, hated the interface. It reminded me of Macromedia Freehand, there were all these different palattes, looked like hippies designed them without ever talking to each other.

I called it a "Swiss Army Knife" DAW and that is something I keep an eye out for as I prefer to avoid that type of interface. I DON"T wan to see all of my possible options all at once!!!!

FWIW, (semi OT), I started using Adobe Photoshop at version 1.07 and as a graphic designer I had to be able to switch from Illustrator to Corel Draw to Freehand and also from Quark to Pagemaker/InDesign. Point being, I've learned my share of GUI.

Between that and the fairly lifeless sound of the 896 (probably more the outputs than the inputs), I never got much done. I did upgrade DP, all the way to version 5.

Then, I bought a Mackie Onyx interface, I liked it better than the 896 so I sold that. The Mackie came with a free version of Tracktion 3. I installed that and took to it immediately. I found the interface much less cryptic and more efficient. I stayed with Tracktion, moved up to Waveform and am using Waveform 10. By now I am very comfortable with using it. I am almost always both the engineer and the artist and I find too many engineering tasks make the artist go away.

The main thing I like about Tracktion/Waveform is that it "cleans up after itself". If I want to look at options for an input, I click on it and all options appear in the box at the bottom center of the screen. When I am done with that and want to look at a clip, a plugin, whatever, I click on the next thing and the options in the bottom center are refreshed to the new ones. So it puts the old one away and brings up the new one. Much less clutter!!!

I went from the Powerbook to a used 2008 Mac Pro, last year I wanted to get latency down and picked up a 2014 Mac Book Pro. This year I got a Presonus Quantum so now I run Thunderbolt 2 and it is really fast.

I am happy with my new toys and plan on staying here with Waveform. If/when the internet upgrades itself out of my stuffs I plan on getting something else just for the web and leave this be as long as it lasts. Next recording evolution is to reduce the clutter, lots of plugins I probably don't need or won't use. I'll upgrade Waveform as long as I am allowed to, they add to the feature set without compromising the efficiency of the basic layout. i don't miss DP at all.

I gave Studio One (Artist) a spin when I got the Fishman Triple Play and opened it again recently when I got a copy included with the Quantum. I could learn to use it but see no reason to do so at this point.
Maybe I am just tired of learning interfaces!!!!!


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I am almost always both the engineer and the artist and I find too many engineering tasks make the artist go away.


As you probably know, there's a valid physical reason behind this, because of how the brain processes information. I've been aware of this for some time, so I like programs where I can customize the interface to some degree. For example, I have a standard set of console strip colors for different instruments. When there's a ton of tracks, I can pick out the bass track in seconds because it's brown.

Studio One has a macro creation feature that I find tremendously helpful. Of course there are macro creating programs for Windows and Mac, but having one in the program is just that much easier. Being able to hit a key and do a string of operations keeps the artist part focused.

Or take something like an Arranger track. This was always something that Sonar lacked, so if you wanted to move song sections around it involved careful copying/cutting, pasting, and moving. The Arranger track in Cubase and Studio One makes the process soooo easy.

These are the kind of interface elements that really matter to me: will they help me to work fast? In my experience up to this point, the two best programs for songwriting speed are Ableton Live and Studio One, although each one is optimized differently - Live for loops, Studio One for linear/non-linear composition.

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That is my primary, I also keep current on about 5 different DAWs to maintain compatibility with friends, although it's been over a year since any collaboration. I need to rethink that.


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My MIDI computer of 25+ years finally died and I replaced it with an iMac running Logic Pro. That was two years ago. Elder care with my parents has kept me too busy. Haven't had time to learn Logic and my studio is currently not functioning due to key components awaiting repair on the bench.

I went 25+ years on a circa 1990 WFW311 computer running Cakewalk Pro Audio 4.5, only used it for MIDI. Yeah it's ancient but until it died the computer never crashed. MIDI latency was never a problem either (MIDI interface was MusicQuest MQX32M). It even ran MMC with my HD24 flawlessly. Not bad for early 90s computer technology. If it ain't broke... (it did eventually)

That whole time I was completely OTB and didn't need plugins or sampling. Have to translate all my Cakewalk sequences into MIDI files to import into Logic, but not as harrowing as if they had embedded samples.

Now I'm looking at learning an entirely new system once I get my studio up and running again. I have some business travel coming up and will use the downtime to learn Logic on my MacBook Pro.

Re: DAW Roll Call [Re: Anderton] #3015222 11/07/19 06:38 PM
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I am almost always both the engineer and the artist and I find too many engineering tasks make the artist go away.


As you probably know, there's a valid physical reason behind this, because of how the brain processes information. I've been aware of this for some time, so I like programs where I can customize the interface to some degree. For example, I have a standard set of console strip colors for different instruments. When there's a ton of tracks, I can pick out the bass track in seconds because it's brown.

Studio One has a macro creation feature that I find tremendously helpful. Of course there are macro creating programs for Windows and Mac, but having one in the program is just that much easier. Being able to hit a key and do a string of operations keeps the artist part focused.

Or take something like an Arranger track. This was always something that Sonar lacked, so if you wanted to move song sections around it involved careful copying/cutting, pasting, and moving. The Arranger track in Cubase and Studio One makes the process soooo easy.

These are the kind of interface elements that really matter to me: will they help me to work fast? In my experience up to this point, the two best programs for songwriting speed are Ableton Live and Studio One, although each one is optimized differently - Live for loops, Studio One for linear/non-linear composition.


Thanks Craig, some good thoughts in there.
As a left-handed person who certainly exhibited autistic tendencies when I was very young (and eventually "outgrew" most of them), I am well aware of the battle between the Engineer and the Artist. We need both of them but we have to set priorities and cleverly accomodate the primary focal point.

I am still learning all the cool things Waveform can do, it is a process. There are lots of well-thought-out features, some of them I haven't got a use for, yet. I may never use many of them, that's fine as they stay out of my way unless I want them.

I'm with you on streamlining the engineering process to the extent possible. It is easy to create a template for a recording session, I had one that worked well before I started pondering tempo changes. I need to experiment with the Tempo Stretching feature on finished tracks before I try anything else. If that sounds fine and works well then my template should be good to go for my purposes. My primary interest is in accurately mapping out gradual changes in tempo. That is something intuitive when you are playing with other musicians, you can all cue off each other's movements and adjust instantly on the fly. For now, having others play at sessions is a "Won the lottery" sort of prospect. Running blind, all I've got going for me is 50 years of my own playing, I'm pretty familiar by now! :- D

I've kept outboard gear for processing inputs to a minimum to spare the Engineer from excessive fiddling about, jury is still out on the FMR RNP/RNC combo but I will be testing that again now that I have a couple of new mics.

At this point, I am working on favoring the Artist when tracking. I am not as concerend about that while mixing, I found myself in a congruent zone when doing all the remixes for Metapop, the Artist and the Engineer were both engaged. But I wasn't trying to play or sing at that point.

Also making progress on reducing external noise in my room.
Too many projects, not enough time - the human condition.
Cheers,
Kuru


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Re: DAW Roll Call [Re: Anderton] #3015224 11/07/19 06:59 PM
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Mad props, Kuru. You're the first person I have ever met who (a) uses Waveform (b) likes and prefers it (c) doesn't work for Tracktion.

Over the years, Tracktion / Waveform has gotten a probably-undeserved bad rap from the community. I have looked at it time and again starting with version 1, and probably (due to my magazine review work) have installers for every version up to 9, maybe even 10, laying around here and there. No matter how I tried, I just could never get into it.

It's a lot more comprehensible now that they've added some more conventional ways to do stuff, but the way the early versions worked really broke my head... very space efficient on small monitors but very alien to me. I never got past that. I'd love to hear more about how you use it and what appeals to you about it!

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Re: DAW Roll Call [Re: Dr Mike Metlay] #3015255 11/07/19 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Metlay
Mad props, Kuru. You're the first person I have ever met who (a) uses Waveform (b) likes and prefers it (c) doesn't work for Tracktion.

Over the years, Tracktion / Waveform has gotten a probably-undeserved bad rap from the community. I have looked at it time and again starting with version 1, and probably (due to my magazine review work) have installers for every version up to 9, maybe even 10, laying around here and there. No matter how I tried, I just could never get into it.

It's a lot more comprehensible now that they've added some more conventional ways to do stuff, but the way the early versions worked really broke my head... very space efficient on small monitors but very alien to me. I never got past that. I'd love to hear more about how you use it and what appeals to you about it!

mike


My pleasure, one of the reasons I bumped this thread was that nobody else mentioned Waveform/Tracktion. Maybe I will connnect with somebody else!
Disclaimer: I know virtually nothing about other current DAWs and (thankfully!) remember very little about DP. So I have no idea if other DAWS also have any of these features.
Further, I have no affiliation with Waveform other than being a customer. Further still, there is a TON of cool stuff that I haven't used yet. My next explorations will be with Tempo shifting functions, there appear to be some useful tools there.

Also, I am on a Mac using High Sierra. I'm sure it is only a bit different using Windows.

First, what appeals to me:

Customer service. When I inquired as to why a set of plugins that came with Waveform 9 made a noise every so often, they said the plugins were included so you could decide if you wanted to buy the DAW Essentials package ($150). I mentioned that I'd been using the program since Tracktion 3 and they authorized them and thanked me for being a long term customer. Good plugins too.

When you click Record, two buttons appear in the same general area - "Abort" and "Abort and Restart". Abort deletes the recording and goes back to the starting point. Abort and Restart deletes the recording, goes back to the starting point, the click track counts off and you are back recording. I like to record tracks in a single take, these are great timesavers.

3 simple tabs, each one taking up the entire screen. Projects - where it is easy to organize all of your projects, Settings, where you can address all the nuts and bolts under the hood, change the Appearance of the interface, organize your Plugins, find Tutorials and learn a pageful of Keyboard Shortcuts, and the last Tab is currently defaulted to the name of the project that is open right now. If nothing is open the third tab just goes away.
You can have more than one project open, handy if you want to copy/paste or other fun stuffs.

This arrangement helps keep the clutter down and provides plenty of space so it is easy to find what you want and ignore what you don't need.

Choosing an input section that you have just armed will bring up a large input meter across the bottom of the DAW, very easy to see and dial in your gain.

Adding tracks is simple, you can add up to 16 tracks at a time or as few as one. Deleting a track is even easier, select it and hit Delete on the keyboard. You can add tracks anywhere you would like, if you select a track before addding tracks they will all appear directly under the selected track. This makes it easy to stay organized when I do my parallel processing thing. Tracks are very easy to name and there is color coding, it looks like 9 colors but perhaps there are more. I didn't see "no color" and White, those would be easy. Also very simple to make sub-groups of tracks and group those sub-groups.

When you add or delete tracks the remaining tracks remain organized. If they are numbered they will renumber, if they are named they will move into the new order with their audio tracks intact.

The up and down arrows shrink or expand the recorded tracks horizontally, from the cursor position. So you can get close to your edit point, expand quickly, zero in and seperate the track into clips.
There are simple controls to expand vertically or horizontally or show all tracks.

Automation tracks are easy to make, if you just need one automation track you can put it right on the audio track. Automation tracks can perform basic functions but can also be used to automate plugins. I just added an automation track to a track that has IK Multimedia Leslie on it and it offered automation options for around 40 different parameters of the Leslie plugin (which is insane but super cool at the same time).

Bread and butter functions are located in a box at the bottom left, transport and output functions are located in a box on the bottom right.

Last but not least, I love that there is a substantial space bottom center of the interface. Anything you click on (except third party plugins, which have their own popup windows) will generate a set of options and features for your selection. When you chose another selection the options and features for that one fill in. So there is no "palette clutter" like the older versions of DP had. I hated that!!!!!

I use Waveform for recording and mixing/"mastering", it works well for anything.

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. Cheers, Kuru











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Re: DAW Roll Call [Re: Anderton] #3015475 11/10/19 05:22 AM
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Nuendo is the primary composing template. It is excellent for working with hundreds of orchestral MIDI tracks spread across several sample servers using Vienna Ensemble Pro. Through a company called 14-bit MIDI, it has excellent touchscreen support for control. It runs on Windows, which means I am no longer tied to Apple's glacial and expensive hardware refresh cycles. At this point, upgrades are motherboard, CPU, RAM, CPU cooler and I'm good to go.

Ableton Live is for writing and working with progression based music where the song structure is based on harmonic and rhythmic loops (typical band stuff).

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