Synthoid Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I'm wondering if this thing is real. Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Hmm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Of course, no vaporsynth discussion would be complete without this beauty: http://www.briansacawa.com/images/sage.jpg Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I can get you a great deal! Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I worked for a software company that did something similar. For years, customers asked for an update of an older application. At one trade show, they made a mockup and made it look like it was actually running and doing something. But it was all fake. Any time someone asked about the product, I simply pointed to the owner and said, "ask him." I didn't demo the fake, either. Despite all that, he never bothered to work on, much less ship an updated version of that program. I had hoped that sending all the inquiries to him on the show floor would motivate him but it did not. I worked for a company that sold some data acquisition software.....well, SOLD, but that doesn't mean we actually HAD it. We had pretty data sheets and marketing materials, so like a foolish young sales guy, I sold it to a customer based on all of the features that the pretty shiny marketing materials promised. We shipped them something, but it didn't work. Lots of run-time errors and missing many of the promised features. In the process of trying to get all of this fixed, I came to find out that we had outsourced it to a 3rd party developer and had run into a conflict and there was an ongoing lawsuit. They took the project in-house and what they ended up coming up with was nothing like what I had sold the customer. I ended up literally writing a windows application myself in my free time to give them in order to generate the specific reports they needed because I felt bad and nobody at the factory was doing anything to help them. I learned a valuable lesson....don't sell a new product until I can actually get my hands on it and make sure it works as promised. Quote Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 In some cases, the engineers design and prototype a new product (this happens in hardware before anything but a rudimentary software is available). Engineering and marketing may like the potential new product - however upper corporate management comes to a conclusion like - too much engineering time actually finishing it for sale, or - not enough potential sales at the price we will sell it; and then upper management decides NO on production. However, as a side effect, there very frequently is another product eventually released that offers some of the new functionality. An example would be the Kurzweil VA1 synth, which was never put into production. However, much of the virtual analog software that was produced for the VA1 did make it into the PC3 series (unfortunately with menu diving to adjust stuff instead of the "knobiness" of the VA1, and with other shortcomings such as oscillators and LFOs that weren't up to the original specs. A lot of the proposed K3000 new stuff has wound up in the Kurzweil Forte. Hardware development is usually working at least two generations ahead of existing products - mostly because it MUST be that way since it often takes longer to write properly functioning software than it did to develop and prototype the hardware. Although I have used Kurzweil products in this comment, other manufacturers have similar design methods. Frankly, a considerable amount of design of a new hardware product comes from release of a new gadget of some sort that may be used originally in a quite different field, such as continuously rotating knobs instead of knobs with a start and stop point. Quote Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Probably one of the worst phony keyboard displays at a trade show was from Waldorf... this non-functioning shell of a synth. http://www.noisetime.com/mm07/05.jpg I really hope this will NOT happen to the Waldorf Kyra too ! A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzzz Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Probably one of the worst phony keyboard displays at a trade show was from Waldorf... this non-functioning shell of a synth. I really hope this will NOT happen to the Waldorf Kyra too ! They had a working prototype at NAMM (as opposed to a mockup), so I think you'll be ok here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauriziodececco Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I worked for a software company that did something similar. .... I worked for a company that sold some data acquisition software.....well, SOLD, but that doesn't mean we actually HAD it. ... Well, guys, as all us software people know, you do not need to go in details: just says 'selling software' imply by definition what you are talking about ... Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauriziodececco Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Probably one of the worst phony keyboard displays at a trade show was from Waldorf... this non-functioning shell of a synth. http://www.noisetime.com/mm07/05.jpg I really hope this will NOT happen to the Waldorf Kyra too ! A.C. For what i remember, in this case the story is a bit different; please, correct me if anybody knows better. The initial Waldorf (that of the Q and Microwave) went bankrupt. A group of people (don't remember exactly who, founders and employees ?) prepared a recovery plan, and looked around for funding; they were successful , and could buy the assets and restart the company; the recovery plan included a products plan, and that plan included the Stromberg, the Blofeld and the Zarenboug (may be other stuff); at that time, they were probably just a group of ideas and marketing material; they probably started from they considered more financially rewarding and at the end they axed the Stromberg to go in other directions. Maurizio Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real MC Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Of course, no vaporsynth discussion would be complete without this beauty: http://www.briansacawa.com/images/sage.jpg For those who don't know the story: this wasn't just vaporware, it was a hoax that was done about 15 years ago. A member on Analogue Heaven put out teasers for about a month or two, then admitted it was all a hoax and that the Bahn Sage was a product of elaborate CGI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 For those who don't know the story: this wasn't just vaporware, it was a hoax that was done about 15 years ago. A member on Analogue Heaven put out teasers for about a month or two, then admitted it was all a hoax and that the Bahn Sage was a product of elaborate CGI. Very elaborate. Not something you'd expect from a synth forum. Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 I know, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I worked for a software company that did something similar. For years, customers asked for an update of an older application. At one trade show, they made a mockup and made it look like it was actually running and doing something. But it was all fake. Any time someone asked about the product, I simply pointed to the owner and said, "ask him." I didn't demo the fake, either. Despite all that, he never bothered to work on, much less ship an updated version of that program. I had hoped that sending all the inquiries to him on the show floor would motivate him but it did not. I worked for a company that sold some data acquisition software.....well, SOLD, but that doesn't mean we actually HAD it. We had pretty data sheets and marketing materials, so like a foolish young sales guy, I sold it to a customer based on all of the features that the pretty shiny marketing materials promised. We shipped them something, but it didn't work. Lots of run-time errors and missing many of the promised features. In the process of trying to get all of this fixed, I came to find out that we had outsourced it to a 3rd party developer and had run into a conflict and there was an ongoing lawsuit. They took the project in-house and what they ended up coming up with was nothing like what I had sold the customer. I ended up literally writing a windows application myself in my free time to give them in order to generate the specific reports they needed because I felt bad and nobody at the factory was doing anything to help them. I learned a valuable lesson....don't sell a new product until I can actually get my hands on it and make sure it works as promised. Urgh. That's why I pointed everyone who asked about the product at the owner. Other people were telling people the product was going to ship that year or whatever. Knowing what I did, I was sure it wasn't. (The rest of the story, you might have guessed. We already had a new product that was gravy for the company, which was why the owner lost interest in the old product. He wasn't even thinking about the old product and no one else had the knowledge nor ability to do what needed to be done with the old product.) Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeronyne Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I see where you are coming from zeronyne. All I am saying is, Uli might want too slow down on teasing new synth ideas, when some of the ones, he already has in the works, arent even in production stage. I agree 1000% Quote "For instance" is not proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Beaumont Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Agreed! Quote Boards: Kurzweil SP-6, Roland FA-08, VR-09, DeepMind 12 Modules: Korg Radias, Roland D-05, Bk7-m & Sonic Cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 I see where you are coming from zeronyne. All I am saying is, Uli might want too slow down on teasing new synth ideas, when some of the ones, he already has in the works, arent even in production stage. I agree 1000% That was what I was trying too convey, all along. I should have worded it better in my original post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 It occurs to me that with modern, digital synthesizers, many lies begin with the four words "Future software releases will..." Quote -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdisbro Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 It occurs to me that with modern, digital synthesizers, many lies begin with the four words "Future software releases will..." Amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCoscia Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Regarding Behringer, it's clear that Uli has tapped into a market demand - a deep niche with cash to burn. This legacy product demand may not exist long-term, but it's hot right now and will likely stay hot for the near future. When the VC340, Odyssey and UB-Xa keyboards ship en masse, and if the design and manufacturing quality is robust, the excitement should grow exponentially. It's a whole new ball game. Quote Steve Coscia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I am holding off on an OB-6 module to see about the UB-Xa. Not that I could go out and buy an OB-6 today, module or not, but it's certainly stopping me from selling off gear I want to keep to fund it. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 The Arp 2600 synth remake from Behringer is officially happening. (one day. not soon, though.) https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-arp-2600-synth-remake-from-behringer-is-officially-happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Uli, may restore my faith in the company! I will give him a chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 The Arp 2600 synth remake from Behringer is officially happening. (one day. not soon, though.) https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-arp-2600-synth-remake-from-behringer-is-officially-happening I noticed, that he is not including the Speakers, as the original had. Probably one of the ways too lower the cost! That, and most likely no keyboard, just the Module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 It occurs to me that with modern, digital synthesizers, many lies begin with the four words "Future software releases will..." Amen! Everything old is new again: "Remember... your DPM 3 will never be obsolete!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 "Remember... your DPM 3 will never be obsolete!" And it will bring fame and glory as well... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rScBRKlTdoE/TNDFlCGTSyI/AAAAAAABsJ4/XURiP6sdLVQ/s1600/!B7b7bhgEWk~%24(KGrHqZ,!jYEzKEH,tV)BM0JpR50kg~~_3.JPG Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 Guess, they decided too stick with what they are good at. Guitars sound systems, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthetic Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I worked at Alesis when we showed wooden mockups of the BRC controller and Monitor One at NAMM. Wooden mockup of a speaker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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