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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2989409 05/13/19 02:46 PM
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When using Organ mode, is there a way to use a footswitch to control the Rotary speed of the leslie instead of using the Modular toggle?

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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Pa Gherkin] #2989415 05/13/19 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pa Gherkin
Has anyone heard how it sounds in mono? Being a proponent of playing in mono live this is important to me. I'm leery because I had a Yamaha dp that was quite nice in stereo but truly awful in mono. I tried every possible mono configuration and it still stunk. However,I've got high hopes for the CP73.


Yes, my review in this thread was based on hearing it through a small Roland Cube amp in mono. You can read what I wrote to get an idea. I thought it was just fine in mono, better than my Motif XF for sure in that regard. smile


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Mighty Motif Max] #2989513 05/14/19 05:13 AM
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Thank you Max. That's great to hear.

Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: pauleway] #2989514 05/14/19 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: pauleway
When using Organ mode, is there a way to use a footswitch to control the Rotary speed of the leslie instead of using the Modular toggle?


I don't know, but I really hope so. it's 2019, can't imagine this isn't possible...


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I own the Korg GrandStage-73, and there is no option to use a footswitch for the Rotary speed on the Korg GS, that is why I asked this question for the Yamaha CP. You think it would be a no brainer, but it is not!!

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Originally Posted By: pauleway
When using Organ mode, is there a way to use a footswitch to control the Rotary speed of the leslie instead of using the Modular toggle?


You can assign any midi # to any controller, so probably? I feel no motivation at all to find out because the "leslie sim" on the CP is so bad. Like, inexplicably bad. There's much cheaper keyboards with a better leslie effect.

If I was going to use the CP as my only keyboard on a gig and needed organ, I'd use either the Korg Module or the Pocket B3 apps, both are far better than what's onboard the CP.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: pauleway] #2989565 05/14/19 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: pauleway
I own the Korg GrandStage-73, and there is no option to use a footswitch for the Rotary speed on the Korg GS, that is why I asked this question for the Yamaha CP. You think it would be a no brainer, but it is not!!


The leslie sim on the Grandstage is useable, the one on the CP is not, in my opinion.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Adan] #2989573 05/14/19 03:19 PM
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The Leslie sim on the Grandstage or the Yam-CP are both NOT GOOD. I only use the Korg at home for practice and was curious if the CP had this option.(Always used a footswitch for my Rotary speed).
If you're looking for a good leslie sound, the Grandstage or the Yam.CP's are not the keyboards you want to use, and are not meant to be!

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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: pauleway] #2989588 05/14/19 06:52 PM
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I am now using Galileo Organ 2 with my CP4 for organ patches. It works surprisingly well for organ layers and occasional B3 solos. I had to invest in the wireless MIDI adapter from Yamaha, though, because of ground loop problems with the iPad to CP4 connections. I assume the same fix would work with the CP88.

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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Coker] #2989594 05/14/19 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: Coker
ground loop problems with the iPad to CP4 connections

I'm assuming this was with a USB connection (rather than 5-pin MIDI out of the MODX), and with the iPad simultaneously plugged into AC For staying charged?


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: AnotherScott] #2989599 05/14/19 09:31 PM
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Nope. iPad to CP4 with usb / camera adapter and then output from iPad earphone to CP4 aux input. Several people on internet have similar noise issues that they attribute to a ground loop. Using wireless MIDI eliminated the noise.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Coker] #2989600 05/14/19 09:50 PM
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I'm surprised it would be a ground loop if the iPad wasn't plugged into AC.

I wonder if it would be different if you'd used a DIN MIDI connection out of the CP4 instead of the USB.


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Hope we are not hijacking this thread, but according to other blogs, using the standard MIdI connector does not introduce the noise like the USB connector does. Noise was evident only when both USB and aux are connected to one device. This was not unique to Yamaha from what I could find.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: AnotherScott] #2989666 05/15/19 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I'm surprised it would be a ground loop if the iPad wasn't plugged into AC.

CP4 (audio) --> iPad --> CP4 (USB) = loop. Not 60Hz AC but 1kHz (to my ears) USB burst rate.

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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Coker] #2989671 05/15/19 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: Coker
Nope. iPad to CP4 with usb / camera adapter and then output from iPad earphone to CP4 aux input. Several people on internet have similar noise issues that they attribute to a ground loop. Using wireless MIDI eliminated the noise.


Would MIDI cable to PlugKey also have solved this?


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: drawback] #2989688 05/15/19 12:57 PM
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Would MIDI cable to PlugKey also have solved this?


Yes. The 5-pin ‘old school’ Midi has optical isolation so no ground loops.

Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2991683 05/29/19 12:18 AM
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I have read this entire thread and the CP73/88 manual and might have missed this so I'll ask now. If I have another keyboard plugged into the audio inputs of the CP is the level of the other keyboard affected.by the CP's master volume control as it comes out of the CP's outputs? Also,same scenario,does the CP's master eq affect the tone of the instrument plugged into the CP's audio ins as it comes out of the CP's outputs? Anybody know?

One place Casio blew it with the PX5S audio ins is having the PX eq affect the tone of whatever is plugged into the inputs. I hope Yamaha didn't make the same mistake.

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Yes, the master volume affects both internal sounds and audio input.

No, master eq does not affect audio input.


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Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: Adan] #2991814 05/30/19 12:56 AM
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Thanks Adan. That's good news and not the kind of thing that would be easy to investigate in a music store. I've got to get my hands on one of these. The 73 looks very interesting to me.

Re: Yamaha CP88 and 73 - Deserve their own thread [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2994260 06/16/19 10:36 PM
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Got to play the CP-88 yesterday at my local GC.
The NW-GH action is VERY nice and the keys feel great.
It's dead simple to operate. The piano section sounds lovely (U1 samples are a neat alernative), EPs are decent, fx sound good. The ancillary sounds section is lacking - if they would work on this it would be much harder to resist.
Well built, fairly compact for an 88k weighted and lighter to pickup than I thought it was going to feel at 18.6 kg (41 lb, 0 oz).

Tough call on choosing between this and the MODX8. The MODX8 action is lesser - entirely playable, but not as grand piano-like (ymmv), plasticy feeling keys. But the MODX is much more capable if you cover a lot of sounds and need to program for a set that is more than just bread and butter stuff. If the bank would allow I wouldn't mind owning the CP-88 and Montage 6 or Kronos 6. (Don't care for the action on the MODX6, it's better than the FA-06 but not by much).


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Elmer, I am afraid that you maybe turning in to a gear-slut!

Just think of the Planet man! That and enriching Supra-national corporations.

Don't worship at the shine of Yamwaha!

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Originally Posted by jahfume

Elmer, I am afraid that you maybe turning in to a gear-slut!

Just think of the Planet man! That and enriching Supra-national corporations.

Don't worship at the shine of Yamwaha!


Do not, fear for me, jahfume!
I’m a notorious window shopper with finances too weak to indulge my showroom playing habits. The planet is safe (for the moment). wink


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Got to play the CP-88 yesterday at my local GC.
The NW-GH action is VERY nice and the keys feel great.
It's dead simple to operate. The piano section sounds lovely (U1 samples are a neat alernative), EPs are decent, fx sound good. The ancillary sounds section is lacking - if they would work on this it would be much harder to resist.
Well built, fairly compact for an 88k weighted and lighter to pickup than I thought it was going to feel at 18.6 kg (41 lb, 0 oz).

Tough call on choosing between this and the MODX8. The MODX8 action is lesser - entirely playable, but not as grand piano-like (ymmv), plasticy feeling keys. But the MODX is much more capable if you cover a lot of sounds and need to program for a set that is more than just bread and butter stuff. If the bank would allow I wouldn't mind owning the CP-88 and Montage 6 or Kronos 6. (Don't care for the action on the MODX6, it's better than the FA-06 but not by much).


Still haven't made it into a store to play this. So my only impression is still from NAMM, which really isn't fair. I'd guess they rectified the dead spots in the upper octaves from the CP4 - at least coming through gigging speakers. Not noticeable through phones or on recordings.

It probably sounds great out in a band of probably any context, I'd also wager a guess. I can't imagine Yamaha coming out with something to replace the CP4 that's a sonic dud live.

I'd be also curious to see how the P-515 compares with the CP88 live - Sound wise and sitting in the mix with a rhythm section, or larger ensemble with horns. Just playing at home solo and going again, on one play at NAMM, I did prefer the P-515. Although I could very well see the CP88 faring better in a live context.

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Stopped into the local piano/keyboard store in town about two weeks ago, owners of which are Yamaha dealers, to see if they had gotten these in yet. They had an 88 but no 73, which was a bummer because I was most interested in the 73. Played the 88 and the action felt superb, which I have found to be the case for most Yamaha's I've played. APs sounded excellent, EPs were better than what I expected them to be. I would probably always be running them through with a dash of drive and some effects, but that's ok because the effects were pretty pleasing. APs and EPs are mostly what I would be using it for, maybe some pads or strings layered with a piano, but this seems to me like a great bottom board under a clone/synth.

Anyway, the 88 action felt great but I would be most interested in a 73 because of its portability. One of the guys in the shop said the action that is in the 73 comes from one of the Clavinova models. I hadn't been able to find anywhere that this was the case, but if so then I would put a lot more faith in the 73 action sight-unseen because of the quality of the new Clavinova's that I've played. Can anyone confirm this?


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I played the CP88 in a store here recently since I!m looking for a new lighter live axe to supplement my E5D and to replace my P250. What I like compared to the 515 is that they have much more prof. rear in/out (XLR, power connectors etc.). However, no string resonance which is not understandable since 515 has it which may be limiting usage to band context.


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Found a mint CP73 for a great price online, ordered it last night. Putting a lot of faith in Yamaha's action having not played it, but they haven't let me down yet. I already dig the sound quality, both from the demo videos and from playing the 88, so if this action holds up to Yamaha's standards I'll be very happy with this smile once it's here I'll share my thoughts.


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I'm happy with the action on the CP73. It wasn't love at first touch, more like "I can live with this as a trade off for the portability." But it's growing on me the more I play it. Make no mistake though, it's a big step down from the action of the 88.

I prefer the action of the CP73 over the Grandstage 73, and it's 10 lbs lighter. But the GS has a vastly better sound palette beyond pianos.


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Originally Posted by halhertz

The CP88 is still a very good option for the gigging musician who is always on the move and needs something more portable. Having said, the RD2000 weighs only 6lbs (47lbs vs 41lbs) more than the CP88, but the action and tone generation tech in it is in my mind better than what's in the CP88.


Halhertz,
I understand portability and general ease of movement do not seem to be a concern for you.
One thing I need to point out regarding the above statement, though:

1) The RD is LONGER than the CP, which makes a HUGE difference in portability. That damned block which Roland INSISTS on slapping at the front end of ALL their keyboards makes a one person move nearly IMPOSSIBLE! Plus those six extra pounds can make all the difference between semi-portable and NO F***ING WAY at the end of 2 or 3 full sets.


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The one time I used the RD-2000 in a studio environment with rhythm section and 3 horns - while it sounded excellent by itself before we started recording, when we started playing, the Roland was not present enough in the headphone mix, thus causing me to dig in and play harder from which I usually do. Which in turn caused tension and affected my technique.

I'd be willing to give it another try, for home maybe, but based on that experience, I wouldn't buy one to gig with.

Also when you figure in the extra poundage for even a lightweight case - that 47 lbs. all of a sudden is hovering around 60, or over. wink

And yes, the length is a huge consideration when trying to fit into tight spots, on crowded stages and overall schlep-ability.

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
The one time I used the RD-2000 in a studio environment with rhythm section and 3 horns - while it sounded excellent by itself before we started recording, when we started playing, the Roland was not present enough in the headphone mix, thus causing me to dig in and play harder from which I usually do. Which in turn caused tension and affected my technique.

I'd be willing to give it another try, for home maybe, but based on that experience, I wouldn't buy one to gig with.

Also when you figure in the extra poundage for even a lightweight case - that 47 lbs. all of a sudden is hovering around 60, or over. wink

And yes, the length is a huge consideration when trying to fit into tight spots or crowded stages.


Dave, spot on!
When I had one (briefly) I played it in a trio setting and it couldn’t cut through in ensemble parts, let alone soloing, no matter how i tweaked it. That’s when I was done.
EPs and controller options are its best features, but I would NEVER have lugged it out!
And since you’re primarily doing acoustic settings, I wouldn't if I were you smile


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