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#2989687 - 05/15/19 08:56 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: waygetter]
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I have nothing profound to add here, except that its interesting that everyone has already captured all of the coulda woulda shoulda things I have pondered over the years. Totally agree that maundering over the past is a complete waste of time, and will go one further to say that sharing all this sage advice with a young person is probably a similar waste of time and energy as their world is different than ours was and they probably wouldn't listen anyway.
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#2989689 - 05/15/19 09:00 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Wastrel]
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1. Drink less.
2. Concentrate on my vocal chops as much as I did my keyboard chops.

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#2989690 - 05/15/19 09:00 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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i would have partied alot less and composed more back when i was young enough for it to matter. would have believed in my ability to develop lyrics and melodies, which I now believe was always in there by I was not mature enough to grab the opportunity.

now i have plenty of both, and no time or band to deploy the great ideas.
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#2989697 - 05/15/19 09:40 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: MotiDave]
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Early 20s in the 89-93 period I was gigging every week but I wish I'd bought better gear and practiced more. I wasn't even buying records or CD's during that period after starting with them earlier in the 80's. And I should have had a guitar and amp too. Had already started with it and was playing well but was borrowing a guitar. (got this sorted in 94) And I should have had a metronome too.

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#2989698 - 05/15/19 09:41 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
Oh, and another thing, I'd sleep with more groupies. Not that we keyboardists get a lot of them, but there were opportunities I passed up. I thought I was taking the high road. What the hell was I thinking.


+1!
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#2989704 - 05/15/19 10:36 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I would have bought that Nord Lead back in '74

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#2989707 - 05/15/19 10:58 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: area51recording]
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I'm certain you're mistaken there, the Nord Lead didn't come out until '76
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#2989708 - 05/15/19 11:05 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Randelph]
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Lessons. If I could go back, knowing what I know now, I would have not stopped lessons. In fact, I will be starting lessons as soon as I find the right teacher. So far, no luck. The ones I spoken to are all really great human beings, but they have been either terrible at communicating knowledge or not advanced enough.
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#2989711 - 05/15/19 11:16 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
I'm certain you're mistaken there, the Nord Lead didn't come out until '76


Well.....it WAS a long time ago..... smile

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#2989712 - 05/15/19 11:18 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: waygetter
would you do things differently?

Probably lots of things for me. Two jump out..

1) I would have kept up my sight reading chops. I stopped reading at a very young age. I regret not keeping that skill up.

2) I would have gone to college, learned a bit about business, before diving deep into music. I think I would have had a more satisfying and worthwhile experience.


Interesting topic, coming up a lot lately - directly related to how much we are earning and if we've managed to scratch out a life for ourselves.

Biggest fears have always been my hands, longevity and health. 10x more so since starting a family. Need to make sure everyone is cared for. Had wrist trouble for a bit from practicing classical rep on a DP and not adjusting well to it. Learned that lesson the hard way - thankfully recovered. This winter the trigger finger started giving me trouble. Need to stretch and warm up and cool down as I get closer to 50.

But because I played it safe, I can't complain - not wealthy by a long shot, but definitely in the lower middle class because I played it safe. I practiced a lot, learned to read well but that didn't stop me from playing by ear or improvising. I threw myself into a lot of playing situations and picked up lots of styles. And I did go to school - finished two degrees in music and got certified to teach. I probably work a lot more hours for less money than other fields with an MA - but I'm doing what I chose to do and working in my field of study. In a few weeks I'll take my 8 year old to Disney for the first time instead of getting a Montage or Kronos (or renovating a kitchen that has seen better days).
No regrets!
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No regrets here either. Not rich and famous but I've been fortunate and blessed beyond words.

Never have worked a day gig my entire life. I came up in an era when it was possible to make a living as a full time freelance musician. It wouldn't have happened had I not been smart enough to get out of dead end STL at 25.

In 40 years of living in LA, I've never had to play in "a rock band" and go through that whole drama scene, not to mention having to endure the sonic assault.

Not that it's been all roses. I've done a lifetime of shit gigs, often with shit/hack players and singers. But luckily those days, with each passing year, are getting further in my rear view mirror. Looking back, it was only one night.

Like my wife has always said -- well, at least you don't have to go back to the office and spend 8 hours a day/5 days a week/50 weeks a year/ year after year with them. On the other hand, I've been lucky to share the stage and studio with many world class, inspiring musicians. So you have to take the good with the bad.

I've had three great teachers in my life. Been practicing on three different great pianos with an isolated, dedicated studio/space since 1985. So I've tried to make the best of my "artistic time", even during all those years when I was doing those brutal and demeaning gigs.

I feel fortunate that at almost age 66, I still have the physical and mental drive to practice and desire to improve everyday. Many of my contemporaries are so bitter and burnt out, they basically are saying F**k it.

I think it helps that I never kissed a lot of ass - yet have always been cordial and professional - held my standards high and kept practicing, no matter how dark it got. Even though I did the shit gigs like everyone to make a living, I was still able to look in the mirror at night and feel good about myself.
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#2989720 - 05/15/19 11:47 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Dave Ferris]
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I dunno, I have two parallel lives, equally serious and committed, as a professor of biology and as a musician -- often wonder if I should have quit science and gone full bore on music. I know the reverse would not have been possible, would have been like cutting off an arm. Being an academic researcher though has enabled me to travel and see much of the natural world that I would not have been able to do otherwise.

On the other hand, the life described by Dave Ferris seems utterly idyllic to me, which makes me wonder what would have happened if I had made a hard choice in my 20s. Making a living as a freelance musician while practicing daily on a 2005 NY Steinway D seems like an impossible dream. Nice to see some have made the dream their life.


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#2989724 - 05/15/19 12:07 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I would wish i never quit my piano lessons in my puberty

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#2989725 - 05/15/19 12:11 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Dave Ferris]
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OK, I take mine back. I just want to have lived as Dave Ferris. smile
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#2989746 - 05/15/19 02:37 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: zeronyne]
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I would have started playing much, much younger. Like whatever age Steve Nathan was when he first touched a keyboard. grin
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#2989747 - 05/15/19 03:02 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Joe Muscara]
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To echo a few of y'all-
I should have developed my voice more.
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#2989754 - 05/15/19 03:37 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Even if I wanted to do things different, I don't know that I could have. I have the attention span of a gnat; as such, I don't easily commit fully to anything. I kind of dabble to varying degrees in different things, music being one of the higher degrees. I've got the natural chops to have gone a long way with music... IF I had the passion, desire and stick-to-it-iveness. But I get bored -- I'm not the kind of player who will sit for hours trying to get one passage exactly right, I'm more like close enough is close enough. I probably would have been diagnosed as having ADD if there was such a thing back then. If I could have done anything differently, things probably would have turned out the same.

The only thing I maybe wish was that I had taken piano lessons early on instead of accordion, but with the kind of piano teacher that would have given me the same well-rounded background that my accordion teacher did -- classical technique, 'pop' styling, theory, all that, which was hard to find in piano teachers. I'd still most likely not have made a career of it, but I think I'd have a much better technical foundation on keys than I do now.
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#2989760 - 05/15/19 03:59 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: sleepngbear]
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Dear Phil,

Note to past self:

Do NOT sell your Juno-106.
Do NOT sell your Rhodes 88.

Go meet and hang out with the Roots. They're opening for your band, after all.

Love,
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#2989768 - 05/15/19 05:17 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Dreamchilde]
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I have given this some thought.

Even though life is kick back and groovy, it would have been nice if I had some wealth, and owned homes in Paris, Monte Carlo, , Maui, Florence and Amalfi. Then I could fully appreciate the classic art and great music. Each home would have a music studio of course.

I am not complaining, however

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#2989779 - 05/15/19 06:40 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: GregC]
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Yeah, I'm with those who wouldn't really do anything differently.

Sure, there are lots of things I wish I was better at now, but between having both learn-by-ear American music as a young kid as well as very good training when I was old enough to appreciate it as a pre-teen or tween, I can't complain.

There's some nit-picking, like I wish I did more technical, methodical things at a younger age, but my enthusiasm wouldn't have been there, and perhaps I would have come to resent it.

Naw, I think, looking back, it's all just part of some kind of gumbo, and I wouldn't want to be missing any part of it.

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#2989780 - 05/15/19 07:05 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: J_tour]
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I wouldve bought a Celeron 200A and overclocked instead instead of the 1000 dollar Coppermine 1GHz CPU that wasnít needed since Gigastudio just streamed.
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#2989782 - 05/15/19 07:11 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I played guitar and bass for most my life, mixed with day gigs later. I didn't come to piano until recently for what I now realize was really crappy teacher in college. So in general I would do everything different and definitely start playing piano early on, along with probably sax.

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#2989783 - 05/15/19 07:45 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Docbop]
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To all you guys who have no regrets, I say if Frankie had a few, then Iíll have a few too!

Seriously, life is good and it all worked out. And Iím enjoying playing probably more than I ever have.

Maybe one more regret. I wish I had started participating in Keyboard Corner a lot sooner!


Edited by waygetter (05/15/19 07:49 PM)
Edit Reason: edited something that made no sense and I regretted writing it
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#2989785 - 05/15/19 08:01 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I should have done acid in the 70's when it was good quality and readily available, but I just said no. facepalm

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#2989798 - 05/15/19 11:35 PM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: GregC]
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... it would have been nice if I had some wealth, and owned homes in Paris, Monte Carlo, , Maui, Florence and Amalfi.
Two homes in Italy? Don't you think that's overdoing it?

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#2989804 - 05/16/19 03:36 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: El Lobo]
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Hard to say how things would be different if I had done anything different. I would say I wish I would have practiced more when I was taking lessons as a kid. But have you ever seen the movie "Butterfly Effect"? I've had some good experiences that maybe I wouldn't have had if things had gone differently.
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#2989823 - 05/16/19 07:20 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: El Lobo]
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... it would have been nice if I had some wealth, and owned homes in Paris, Monte Carlo, , Maui, Florence and Amalfi.
Two homes in Italy? Don't you think that's overdoing it?


you are right, it is excessive. The wife prefers Florence and I prefer Amalfi. So the compromise is both.

Imaginary life can be tough.
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#2989825 - 05/16/19 07:33 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: GregC]
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Yes Italy is very different region to region. My mothers friend had a house in the south, the North and an apartment in Milan.
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#2989841 - 05/16/19 09:03 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: Outkaster]
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Some others have brought up the topic of loyalty. That might be one area where I would do things differently. Looking back, I was super loyal, turned down some opportunities probably to the detriment of a more lucrative and rewarding career.

The tradeoff, some of those old band bro's are friends for life. Was it worth it? nahhh... haha
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#2989866 - 05/16/19 11:28 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Originally Posted By: GregC
... it would have been nice if I had some wealth, and owned homes in Paris, Monte Carlo, , Maui, Florence and Amalfi.
Two homes in Italy? Don't you think that's overdoing it?


you are right, it is excessive. The wife prefers Florence and I prefer Amalfi. So the compromise is both.

Imaginary life can be tough.

Imaginary life with 2 wives would be tough.

I can only manage 1 home and 1 wife.

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#2989869 - 05/16/19 11:42 AM Re: Keyboardists, if you could do things again... [Re: El Lobo]
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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: El Lobo
[quote=GregC]... it would have been nice if I had some wealth, and owned homes in Paris, Monte Carlo, , Maui, Florence and Amalfi.
Two homes in Italy? Don't you think that's overdoing it?


you are right, it is excessive. The wife prefers Florence and I prefer Amalfi. So the compromise is both.

Imaginary life can be tough.

Quote:
Imaginary life with 2 wives would be tough.

I can only manage 1 home and 1 wife.


This is not my imaginary house... This is not my imaginary wife...


Edited by djdisbro (05/16/19 11:50 AM)

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