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#2989458 - 05/13/19 02:51 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: skipclone 1]
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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
if you're good enough
to re-engineer someone else's song...why do you not have your own song?
I should probably be seeing a therapist but, something about glomming on to someone else's
material gives me the creeps.


Because I'm a guitarist, not a poet. I couldn't write a song if my life depended on it.

"We all steal. Steal, but don't copy".
- Ella Fitzgerald

"If you copy, that means you ain't got nothing to say".
- Billy Holiday
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#2989522 - 05/14/19 04:53 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: Fred_C]
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In the movie "RAY" it was made clear that Ray Charles did start out being known by locals to be able to "sound like" this well known "star" or that, but he came to realize that HE wasn't being appreciated for who HE was, and then strived to find his own "voice". Which of course, meant in both singing AND playing.

Singer/actress Bernadette Peters once said she hated, in her early career, to be known(in some circles) as, "the next" this person or that. Saying, "Well, we already HAVE one of this or that person, so WHY in the hell do we need ANOTHER?"

I'd say that it might be better to shrug the idea of letting some musician be your influence, and instead let them be your inspiration. To me, it seems that would make it less likely for you to copy them too much. wink
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#2989816 - 05/16/19 05:08 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: whitefang]
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I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.

Besides, I am more interested in doing versions of songs I like MY way.

Just call me Frank Sinatra, I guess...
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#2989828 - 05/16/19 07:51 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: picker]
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Originally Posted By: picker
I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.


Most of the guys I know who do Tribute bands also do other projects, including a cover band, and maybe even other tributes. Especially if you don't travel, there isn't enough demand to play a Journey Tribute, for example, every weekend. You set up maybe a half dozen larger shows per year, and fill the time between with other projects. Most of the guys in our local Pink Floyd Tribute also do a Led Zepplin Tribute. One of them has an original band. Between them all, they come from 3 different local cover bands.

In my original progressive Metal band, half of them play in an Iron Maiden Tribute that does a handful of shows a year. Our drummer and the bass player from the Tribute have a cover band that plays regularly. So for the drummer - that's a tribute, and original band, and a cover band. That's pretty common.
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#2989924 - 05/16/19 06:55 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: J. Dan]
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Good comments J. Dan. I've never been a performing player. I had a full time career in electronic engineering and now that I'm retired I'm playing the guitar more than ever and doing some recording projects. A lot of these musicians are doing what they feel they need to do just to play music. Whether it be in a bar or in a tribute or cover band, or whatever. It's very competitive out there and some guitar players and other musicians will do what they need to do to escape a desk job.
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#2989947 - 05/16/19 11:46 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: Delta]
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Originally Posted By: Delta
A lot of these musicians are doing what they feel they need to do just to play music.

This is true, but if you truly love the music you pay tribute to, it's more than that. You're connecting with a large and appreciative audience who share your passion. And playing in very nice venues and hopefully getting well paid to do it.

Imagine a musician playing a wonderful classical piece as part of a symphony orchestra, or an actor getting a chance to play the lead in a Broadway production of West Side Story. Just because you didn't write the work, there's no shame in working hard to lovingly and respectfully recreate it for people who want to experience it live.

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#2989973 - 05/17/19 06:31 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
Originally Posted By: picker
I don't know of any band I admire enough to want to try and play their stuff and only their stuff, note for note, every time I play out. I like to many artists too well to choose just one.


Most of the guys I know who do Tribute bands also do other projects, including a cover band, and maybe even other tributes. Especially if you don't travel, there isn't enough demand to play a Journey Tribute, for example, every weekend. You set up maybe a half dozen larger shows per year, and fill the time between with other projects. Most of the guys in our local Pink Floyd Tribute also do a Led Zepplin Tribute. One of them has an original band. Between them all, they come from 3 different local cover bands.

In my original progressive Metal band, half of them play in an Iron Maiden Tribute that does a handful of shows a year. Our drummer and the bass player from the Tribute have a cover band that plays regularly. So for the drummer - that's a tribute, and original band, and a cover band. That's pretty common.


Yep. So following this " I don't imitate other people" line of thinking... if you can have a spot as the guitarist in an established band, or backing up a well-known artist, you're going to force your playing on it instead of playing what has been a hit? Right...

My mother is a classical pianist. What a waste... she just plays note for note covers from centuries ago.

There's just musicians who play gigs and musicians who don't.

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#2989975 - 05/17/19 06:40 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: CowboyNQ]
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Originally Posted By: CowboyNQ
Originally Posted By: Delta
A lot of these musicians are doing what they feel they need to do just to play music.

This is true, but if you truly love the music you pay tribute to, it's more than that. You're connecting with a large and appreciative audience who share your passion. And playing in very nice venues and hopefully getting well paid to do it.

Imagine a musician playing a wonderful classical piece as part of a symphony orchestra, or an actor getting a chance to play the lead in a Broadway production of West Side Story. Just because you didn't write the work, there's no shame in working hard to lovingly and respectfully recreate it for people who want to experience it live.


I have to say that when I play a song - even one I loathe like "Brown Eyed Girl" - in that moment it doesn't feel like a cover and I don't play it like one... meaning you find the passion in it and make it fun for yourself.

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#2989982 - 05/17/19 07:17 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: p90jr]
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My point was that guys who do this also have other creative outlets. You don't always have to put your mark on everything every time. I like to cook, and usually just wing it and come up with my own dishes. That doesn't mean that I refuse to ever follow a recipe. A tribute show is one thing, a cover band is another thing, and an original band is something else. No reason somebody can't do all three. They each have different rewards.
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#2989985 - 05/17/19 07:34 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
My point was that guys who do this also have other creative outlets. You don't always have to put your mark on everything every time. I like to cook, and usually just wing it and come up with my own dishes. That doesn't mean that I refuse to ever follow a recipe. A tribute show is one thing, a cover band is another thing, and an original band is something else. No reason somebody can't do all three. They each have different rewards.


+1000

I was saying you'll find more people actively doing all kinds of those gigs than just doing one type...

I'm also thinking about growing up with a jazz musician dad and step dad, and hearing about how John Coltrane would wake up and go play a jazz brunch gig doing trad listener friendly stuff, then head to an orchestra pit and play charts for Broadway musicals... then when that was over he'd go to gigs in late night jazz clubs and push boundaries in that environment.

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#2990287 - 05/19/19 03:39 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
I have to say that when I play a song - even one I loathe like "Brown Eyed Girl" - in that moment it doesn't feel like a cover and I don't play it like one... meaning you find the passion in it and make it fun for yourself.

Precisely. I cover a song or two I don’t personally love but one should never short change the customer with a disaffected performance.

In saying that I personally wouldn’t play in a tribute to an artist I disliked. Way too hard.

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#2990328 - Yesterday at 04:40 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: CowboyNQ]
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Sure. I don't think anybody joins any "tribute" band if they have no respect or liking of their music. Wouldn't make sense.
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#2990362 - Yesterday at 07:34 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: whitefang]
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I would submit that the terms "Tribute" and "Cover" are marketing tools to position the expectations of the audience. At least when I see a band advertised as a "Tribute" band, I expect to hear music written and recorded by the original. It may be rearranged but will be highly recognizable as the original's music. I would be greatly disappointed if the music by the Tribute Band included other band's covers or original music to the lack of the band that is being honored.

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#2990370 - Yesterday at 08:30 AM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: DocPate]
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I'll add another term to the mix: "Theme Band".

I used to play in an 80s band that we called a "tribute" to the 80s, but in reality, it was a Theme Band. We treated it similar to a Tribute in that we tried to cover the songs EXACTLY as the original, as well as dress and look the part. There are other theme bands out there as well.

So I would kind of define things this way:

Cover Band: play a mix of other peoples' tunes with varying degrees of closeness to the original and embellishments that suit the talents of the band.

Theme Band: Song list is limited to the theme and either played exactly as the original, or modified purposely to fit the theme - i.e. country versions of rock songs, acoustic versions of metal songs, reggae versions of pop songs, etc.

Tribute Band: Pick one artist and represent their catalog replicating as precisely as possible either their studio or live performances, including band members representing actual members of the original. i.e. in a Beatles tribute, members specifically play the parts of John, Paul, George, and Ringo, and sing/play the same parts they did.
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#2990401 - Yesterday at 12:18 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: J. Dan]
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+1 Dan

So....what do you call this group?

http://www.maximumbands.com/bob_marley.html



Edited by DocPate (Yesterday at 12:31 PM)

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#2990412 - Yesterday at 01:03 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate
+1 Dan

So....what do you call this group?

http://www.maximumbands.com/bob_marley.html



Definitely a Tribute.
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#2990464 - Yesterday at 07:47 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate
+1 Dan

So....what do you call this group?

http://www.maximumbands.com/bob_marley.html



A good Reggae band...that pays tribute to a great Reggae artist! cool
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#2990466 - Yesterday at 08:00 PM Re: Tribute Bands [Re: CowboyNQ]
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Originally Posted By: CowboyNQ
Originally Posted By: p90jr
I have to say that when I play a song - even one I loathe like "Brown Eyed Girl" - in that moment it doesn't feel like a cover and I don't play it like one... meaning you find the passion in it and make it fun for yourself.

Precisely. I cover a song or two I don’t personally love but one should never short change the customer with a disaffected performance.

In saying that I personally wouldn’t play in a tribute to an artist I disliked. Way too hard.


I do not play a tune unless I really like the tune. The vocalist picks the material that he or she is going to sing. They also pick the key that fits their vocal range best. The backup band has to stay under the vocals. I like to be versatile so playing in a tribute band does not interest me. I do not like to play just like the record or note for note, so playing in a cover band does not interest me. Playing solo, duo or with like minded musicians is what works for me...I like country, country rock, rock and roll, rockabilly, jazzy standards, improvisation, arranging, etc. I like to have fun and enjoy having fun with an audience... cool
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