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Just saw this on FB. Uli includes a little commentary.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/synthesizer.freaks/permalink/10158974472983849/


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Figured they would beat Yamaha to the punch.


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Closed group. Can you copy paste Uliís comments?
Price?


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Uli's Comments:

As promised here is our DS-80 design draft;

Multi-Timbral 8-Voice Polyphonic
Analog Synthesizer with Dual Channels
per Voice, Polyphonic Aftertouch,
Ribbon Controller and Patch Memory

We want to be absolutely clear that this a very complex synthesizer project and it is at a very early stage. It will take us a long time to complete, however we are committed to deliver.

Why are we showing you this project at such an early stage? We believe that including you in the design process from the very beginning while help us and the synthesizer community to create a better product - and that's all that matters to us.
Thank you for your participation and now let us hear your feedback... Uli

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1. Sliders suck compared to paddles.
2. All that panel duplication for presets is obsolete and stupid these days.
3. WHERE"S THE BLEEDIN' RIBBON? NO PITCH BENDER?


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I was inclined to agree with point number 2 from Moe, but...
the ability to quickly change to basically 5 live panels, with direct access to sliders at the appropriate corresponding position- that sounds kind of appealing to me.

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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Figured they would beat Yamaha to the punch.


and it's not being called a BS-80. laugh


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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
2. All that panel duplication for presets is obsolete and stupid these days.

In a fully analog design architecturally derived from the CS80, digital user set-and-recall of all functions may not be possible...?

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
3. WHERE"S THE BLEEDIN' RIBBON?

Under the colored factory patch buttons in the middle. Hard to see in the photo.


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Uli's trying to box Yamaha out, because he knows they won't dare try a literal 1:1 translation such as this.

And neither should Behringer. Let's get real here.

"We are committed to deliver" is a pretty strong statement, but please concentrate on getting that UB-Xa out first.

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With all of the R & D they have itís sad to see them waste time on something years away that wonít get close to the real sound, and even if it did so frigginí what?

2020 is approaching, synths might be able to levitate before long, try something from the current century.
None of their hardware even gets close to the sound of the old dinosaurs they seek to emulate.
Stop wasting time and innovate.
Whatís next? The Behringer BThree and Lesly Nielsen Cabinet.

These people bore me...


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Originally Posted By: hardware
With all of the R & D they have itís sad to see them waste time on something years away that wonít get close to the real sound, and even if it did so frigginí what?

This is fun for baby boomers with cash to burn. I couldn't afford one of these back then - gives me a second chance to be one of the cool kids. I couldn't afford the OBX either.

Behringer is delivering more than just products. Dreams come true.

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Originally Posted By: hardware
Whatís next? The Behringer BThree and Lesly Nielsen Cabinet.


You sound unimpressed, Hardware, what is it?

It's a hypothetical tonewheel organ clone and matching rotating speaker, but that's not important right now.

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Originally Posted By: hardware
None of their hardware even gets close to the sound of the old dinosaurs they seek to emulate.

There seem to be a lot of happy Model D owners.

Originally Posted By: hardware
Stop wasting time and innovate.
...These people bore me...

Different companies do different things. They don't all need to appeal to the same customers. In the big picture, the diversity of designs and approaches is a good thing. There are a lot of Behringer customers who seem to be happy someone is doing what they're doing. If the stuff didn't sell, they'd stop doing it.


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Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


I disagree. They innovate plenty where they see the opportunity. Case in point? The X-Air mixer which blows away everything at that price point. The DeepMind is another example. I'm sure there are others.


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You think Behringer isnít copying Yamaha UI for legal reasons?
Why did they feel they could copy UI on Moog D and ARP Odyssey?

The DM-12 I think was innovative in the sense that Behringer used their acquired IP from TC and engineers from Midas to build an inspired synth - not a clone.


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I'd wait for the Yamaha, whatever it might be. I think most of the Behringer clone stuff is cool (never found one to try though), but this time I don't see the point. Is it going to weigh the same amount too? Some things should be updated/expanded rather than cloned. Just my opinion. And this concept art is ugly, and the layout does NOT appeal to me at all. Ick. I don't have a problem with clones, but this one makes me really scratch my head.


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All of this CS-80 talk makes me itch like a crusty old Andy-Rooney-style uncle who hates everything. smirk

I saw Eddie Jobson playing one live. How could I not be biased by a high bar like that? I also have to bite down on that BS, because instrument choice and musical direction are 99% subjective. That's your call to make, case closed. I've also laid hands to a Synergy, Matrix-12 and Prophet T-8. There is a very solid line between lesser fun-synths and the Big Kahunas. I'd casually "hate" to see a decent new CS-80 that mostly sat in the middle of a pile of Erebus modulars and 3 Kaoss pads. That would be "wrong." facepalm rolleyes

I have no stake in the matter, aside from hoping that a decent number of players would embrace it with Eddie in mind a bit. When someone really wails on a CS-80, it draws a clear line between Real Mavens and mere knockoff Taiwanese androids. If you only use it for pads, you don't need one! cop

If a manufacturer offered just the keyboard mechanism and got it right, I'd be all over that and Arturia's CS-80V before the sun set.


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Originally Posted By: cphollis
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Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


... They innovate plenty where they see the opportunity. ... The X-Air mixer which blows away everything at that price point


The X-Air mixer IS a cost effective Midas XR where the Midas model comes w/ hotter outputs and better S/N ratio.

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Behringer should come up w/ a "poly AT" MIDI- controller keyboard offering the ribbon, PB & Mod-wheels in addition, 2 switch pedal- and 2 CC-pedal inputs as well.
That controller had a display and preset selector buttons and would be usable w/ every synth expander module (they offer).

The DS-80 sound architecture and all DS-80 specific play-mode haptics should go into a desktop module,- leaving the obsolete vintage preset slider section where it belongs to ... in the past.

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Speaking only for myself, the CS80 sound, with poly aftertouch and the ribbon ... is good enough. It's a doorway to a world of expression. The rest is up to me.

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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


There's a bit of innovation here and there. Check out the augmented reality interface they have for the DeepMind synth:








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Originally Posted By: psionic11
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Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


There's a bit of innovation here and there. Check out the augmented reality interface they have for the DeepMind synth:



Hadn't seen that before... thanks for posting. Looks like fun! smile


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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
1. Sliders suck compared to paddles.
2. All that panel duplication for presets is obsolete and stupid these days.
3. WHERE"S THE BLEEDIN' RIBBON? NO PITCH BENDER?
One of the best things about the CS-80 was the chunky feel of the paddles, I guess it would be expensive to duplicate. And I am curious to see if they really do come out with a PolyAT controller. But I can't help feeling that this is a big Behringer tease, just like the Jupiter 8 clone and the UB-Xa; just announcing these can cause people to hesitate in their synth purchasing.

Also, the CS-80 had a unique Oscillator structure (Hz/V or something like that), which the Deckard's Dream did not duplicate and why the DD doesn't quite sound like a CS-80. If Behringer is really going to clone it, will that mean actually cloning the electronics in SMT form??

So these days I am now waiting on:

-Moog One (with major bugs and MIDI implementation fixed)
-Black Corporation Xerxes (Synthex clone)
-Behringer Jupiter 8
-Studioelectronics/Roland Omega/Code polysynth
-and now the DS-80 (will it be the BS-80?)

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Originally Posted By: SteveCoscia
gives me a second chance to be one of the cool kids.


No, it makes you the keyboard equivalent of the guy that bought this in the 80's and called it a "Jeep": wink razz



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Only if you never played the original. twothumbs


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There are lots of ways you can innovate. You can take something beloved but that most people, if they could afford one and had one - these days wouldn't think of gigging with it for various reasons, and use innovation in materials, modern design, manufacturing technics, etc to make a feasibly giggable, affordable, reliable version.

Cars were invented long ago, but that doesn't mean every modern car is just copying the Model T. There's lots of innovation.


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If it sounds and plays well people will buy it and play the shit out of it....its a fantastic time to play keys. New keys around the corner everyday, problem is more how to limit oneself.

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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
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gives me a second chance to be one of the cool kids.


No, it makes you the keyboard equivalent of the guy that bought this in the 80's and called it a "Jeep": wink razz



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Behringer is delivering more than just products. Dreams come true.


Only if you never played the original. twothumbs


Cute story Sven ... my youngest brother bought a Suzuki Samurai many years ago (because at that time he couldn't afford a "real" Jeep) and he put a lift kit, big tires, locking axles on it and joined a club full of mostly Jeep owners. Over the course of the next several years he used his winch and pulled many a Jeep out of trouble. That little Samurai would go places a Jeep just couldn't sometimes go. Plus it weighed about half as much. He has a Rubicon now but still kept his Suzuki. Sorry to go OT, it just reminded me.

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Originally Posted By: cphollis
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Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


I disagree. They innovate plenty where they see the opportunity. Case in point? The X-Air mixer which blows away everything at that price point. The DeepMind is another example. I'm sure there are others.


The Xair is not original in any way. I saw an Australian company (forget their name) showing the original product lineup of 3 models at Music Messes about 5 years ago. They got a lot of attention inside the industry. Behringer just made copies.

The Australian company product line morphed into the SoundCraft line of Ui12, Ui16, and Ui24R. I don't know if the company was bought or the design was licensed or how that happened.

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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


... They innovate plenty where they see the opportunity. ... The X-Air mixer which blows away everything at that price point


The X-Air mixer IS a cost effective Midas XR where the Midas model comes w/ hotter outputs and better S/N ratio.

A.C.

Since Behringer owns Midas, I guess they can do things like that. They did the same thing with the X32/M32, where one is Behringer with Behringer preamps and the other is Midas with Midas preamps at different price points.

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Behringer doesn't innovate, they make cost effective designs of existing products.


I disagree. They innovate plenty where they see the opportunity. Case in point? The X-Air mixer which blows away everything at that price point. The DeepMind is another example. I'm sure there are others.


The Xair is not original in any way. I saw an Australian company (forget their name) showing the original product lineup of 3 models at Music Messes about 5 years ago. They got a lot of attention inside the industry. Behringer just made copies.

The Australian company product line morphed into the SoundCraft line of Ui12, Ui16, and Ui24R. I don't know if the company was bought or the design was licensed or how that happened.

Didn't the XAir also come out like 5 years ago? I'm not saying they didn't steal the idea, but it just seems a bit difficult to steal an idea and come out with it the same year as the thing you stole it from. Seems like it would take a bit of time to reverse engineer it to steal it. Really, at the core the XAir stuff is a shrunk down version of the X32 stuff with a built in wireless access point. So maybe they just stole the idea of adding a built-in access point from this company?

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gives me a second chance to be one of the cool kids.


No, it makes you the keyboard equivalent of the guy that bought this in the 80's and called it a "Jeep": wink razz



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Only if you never played the original. twothumbs


Cute story Sven ... my youngest brother bought a Suzuki Samurai many years ago (because at that time he couldn't afford a "real" Jeep) and he put a lift kit, big tires, locking axles on it and joined a club full of mostly Jeep owners. Over the course of the next several years he used his winch and pulled many a Jeep out of trouble. That little Samurai would go places a Jeep just couldn't sometimes go. Plus it weighed about half as much. He has a Rubicon now but still kept his Suzuki. Sorry to go OT, it just reminded me.


Yes I was going to comment. At that time Jeep wranglers had square headlights and a seriously under powered motor due to emissions requirements. I mentioned the square headlights because Jeep has never lived that down. You don't screw with the basic elements of an iconic design. The entire US auto industry was being schooled by those Japanese imports. Those Suzuki Samari are still loved to this day by many who had them.

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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
Only if you never played the original. twothumbs


I did get to play the original... just couldn't afford to buy one back then.

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I also played the original, in Woodroffe's music shop in Birmingham (UK), and I also couldn't afford it, as I was 14. Actually, I don't think anyone other than superstars could afford it, it was the equivalent now of around £33k.

However, every time I went in the shop, the nice guy in the keys department let me play it and talked with enthusiasm about it. His name was Dave Bristow, who eventually became a major figure in the development of the DX7.


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My CS-80 experiences began when I was with Unicord. I made the fortuitous decision to hire a local keyboard player named Jack Hotop as a technical support rep. He was playing with Rat Race Choir back then and the band owned a CS-80. I'd arrive early at his local gigs and Jack was nice enough to let me play his rig.

Jack's technical support gig eventually morphed into him conducting clinics and sound development. MIDI was new and there was lots happening with synths. Jack came to Unicord at just the right time.

A little OT with bit of history.

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I made the fortuitous decision to hire a local keyboard player named Jack Hotop as a technical support rep.


Fortuitous, indeed. twothumbs


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Steve did you do instrument demos and clinics at Sam Ash, Queens Blvd back in the day (80's) for Unicord or someone else...your icon photo looks familiar ...? I was given a tour of Jack's CS-80 at a 'Rat Race Choir' gig once...my friend Chris had played with Jack in a project or two and introduced me to Jack on that gig and the CS-80... not long after that he started working for Korg ...maybe a year or 2 ...Larry McGowan did not use a CS-80 with them ... they must of bought it after he took his 1st hiatus from the 'Rats' as my friends and I called them...we loved them BTW.


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My CS-80 experiences began when I was with Unicord. I made the fortuitous decision to hire a local keyboard player named Jack Hotop as a technical support rep. He was playing with Rat Race Choir back then and the band owned a CS-80. I'd arrive early at his local gigs and Jack was nice enough to let me play his rig.

Jack's technical support gig eventually morphed into him conducting clinics and sound development. MIDI was new and there was lots happening with synths. Jack came to Unicord at just the right time.

A little OT with bit of history.

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Steve did you do instrument demos and clinics at Sam Ash, Queens Blvd back in the day (80's) for Unicord or someone else...your icon photo looks familiar ...?

The only Unicord demos I did were for the KORG SP-80 and SP-80S pianos.

Yes, Rat Race was a favorite. Last year, I drove up to Long Island for the RRC reunion at Mulcahy's in Wantagh. Fun night. Packed room of sixty-something year old fans.

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I also played the original, in Woodroffe's music shop in Birmingham (UK), and I also couldn't afford it, as I was 14. Actually, I don't think anyone other than superstars could afford it, it was the equivalent now of around £33k.

However, every time I went in the shop, the nice guy in the keys department let me play it and talked with enthusiasm about it. His name was Dave Bristow, who eventually became a major figure in the development of the DX7!


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For the record, nothing that either my parents or my 14 year old self could have sacrificed in 1976 would have bought me a CS80.


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For the record, nothing that either my parents or my 14 year old self could have sacrificed in 1976 would have bought me a CS80.


Just couldn't part with your Bentley I guess. laugh


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Ah, OK.... I didn't go but wanted to to their re-union but I watched the YT vids., my friends re-negged so I stayed home rather than go alone..1st time I saw/heard 'Rat Race' was at 'Zeros' in Glen Cove in 1972-73, somewhere in there with Larry McGowen on keys running his B3 straight, no Leslie. 'We Don't Get Fooled Again'. Larry worked his B3 with a Vox Wah Wah pedal and it was just perfect for the intro with Allen's PA effects running echo, well lets just say that made me a lifetime fan along with everything else they did. Larry was playing an early Roland Synth at the time....Pre-Jupiter-4... not sure what it was, probably an SH-1000! He eventually moved up to a Jupiter 4, an amazing instrument for the late 70's. Jacks rig in the 80's was an huge thought out rig for sure which included a Korg Poly-6 and then he went to work for them!

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Steve did you do instrument demos and clinics at Sam Ash, Queens Blvd back in the day (80's) for Unicord or someone else...your icon photo looks familiar ...?

The only Unicord demos I did were for the KORG SP-80 and SP-80S pianos.

Yes, Rat Race was a favorite. Last year, I drove up to Long Island for the RRC reunion at Mulcahy's in Wantagh. Fun night. Packed room of sixty-something year old fans.

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Oh Yes.... my band was a CTA (Creative Talent Assoc. New Rochelle) band also as were all you mentioned except The Good Rats I believe..but we were not Rat Race Choir but we did have our own thing ... our big claim to fame was the Catholic HS dances before the clubs which I actually enjoyed more almost....early nights and you had some time for the band and friends to hang out after the gigs which ended by 10:30 PM or so! We through CTA doubled with Twisted Sister at Glen Island Casino once or twice....they were a straight ahead Rock and Roll covers band in those days.... no glam or glitter! Sorry for being OT!


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Rat Race Choir, Zebra, Twisted Sister, The Good Rats...ah, Long Island in the mid 70's!

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Larry McGowan did not use a CS-80 with them ... they must of bought it after he took his 1st hiatus from the 'Rats']

Like most local bands, what keyboards "they" have can depend on what keyboards the keyboardist owns. ;-) My guess is that the CS80 was Jack's own. I played with RRC for a little while early this century, I used a mix of their equipment and mine.


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I did not know that AnotherScott....Wow, impressive gig..kudos to you man! David (bass) came up on stage when I was checking the CS80 out... I had said 'It Was Gold', he liked that...My impression was it was Jacky's myself though. I can ask him I guess! twothumbs

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Larry McGowan did not use a CS-80 with them ... they must of bought it after he took his 1st hiatus from the 'Rats']

Like most local bands, what keyboards "they" have can depend on what keyboards the keyboardist owns. ;-) My guess is that the CS80 was Jack's own. I played with RRC for a little while early this century, I used a mix of their equipment and mine.

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Rat Race Choir, Zebra, Twisted Sister, The Good Rats...ah, Long Island in the mid 70's!

I recognize those names from growing up in the Hudson Valley.

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Larry McGowan did not use a CS-80 with them ... they must of bought it after he took his 1st hiatus from the 'Rats']

Like most local bands, what keyboards "they" have can depend on what keyboards the keyboardist owns. ;-) My guess is that the CS80 was Jack's own. I played with RRC for a little while early this century, I used a mix of their equipment and mine.


Richie Bifulco from the L.I. band Essence (always had great rigs) also had a CS-80. He lent it to me one night for a Stanton Anderson show at Tuey's. Stood quite close by with his eye on me all night, but I was very appreciative.


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Richie Bifulco from the L.I. band Essence (always had great rigs) also had a CS-80. He lent it to me one night for a Stanton Anderson show at Tuey's. Stood quite close by with his eye on me all night, but I was very appreciative.


Wow - if that's the same band Essence from my college days some 40 years ago Richie (name rings a distant bell) was probably the very first keyboardist I ever talked to about gear. I would hang around the stage in between sets and he was all too happy to talk shop with this drooling kid. I recall he had those Little Lites (I believe) to illuminate his gear red. I still have mine somewhere. Super nice guy - thanks for bringing back the great memories.

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For the record, nothing that either my parents or my 14 year old self could have sacrificed in 1976 would have bought me a CS80.


Just couldn't part with your Bentley I guess. laugh



Actually, it was letting the butler go which proved the sticking point. Seriously, you guys need to let go of those English stereotypes.


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New rendering from Uli and co. Link to Behringer facebook post

Big changes are getting rid of the preset sliders and making the ribbon bigger (it's there, just hard to see in the rendering)

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"We went back to the drawing board and made some changes"

I'm guessing this only exists in a 3D modelling program at this point. Makes me wonder if they are designing from the outside in.

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Behringer is probably nailing down the hardware component count prior to actual development. Their approach isn't an NGT session, but it is surfacing feedback.

Their response time is impressive.

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6 days later and we have another iteration. Now with pitch and mod wheels. Uli also metions "aiming for poly aftertouch"

Link to Behringer FB post

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She is pretty!
Still eagerly awaiting the 808 and Odyssey clones. Then there's the OB. Oh, they also dropped prices on Neutron and Model D. Damn...so much!

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(Yawn) all this hype over an IMAGE.

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She is pretty!
Still eagerly awaiting the 808 and Odyssey clones. Then there's the OB. Oh, they also dropped prices on Neutron and Model D. Damn...so much!
And supposedly they were looking into cloning the Jupiter 8. Does the potential of Behringer bringing any of these to production make you hesitate buying anything now?

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Unlike other images of updated CS-80s posted online, this one will eventually get built - which sets it apart. Of course it's hype - but fascinating hype. I'm all in.

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Does the potential of Behringer bringing any of these to production make you hesitate buying anything now?


Me for sure. I was discussing this with another forum member while enjoying a few pints this past Saturday evening.


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Unlike other images of updated CS-80s posted online, this one will eventually get built - which sets it apart. Of course it's hype - but fascinating hype. I'm all in.


It will eventually get built?

Have they built an OBXa clone yet? Weren't they "eventually" going to build it two years ago?

By all means, expend your time & energy getting hyped up over vaporware and rendered images.

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I suppose the morality of it all just comes down to "will a certain price range become possible". In a way people then deserve to get phony equipment that isn't satisfactory in the long run when for instance it must fit certain studio processing norms.

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Unlike other images of updated CS-80s posted online, this one will eventually get built - which sets it apart. Of course it's hype - but fascinating hype. I'm all in.


It will eventually get built?

Have they built an OBXa clone yet? Weren't they "eventually" going to build it two years ago?

By all means, expend your time & energy getting hyped up over vaporware and rendered images.



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When the dust settles on this one, if it ever does, one of two things will happen:

1) It will be an astounding remake, which people will embrace with unanticipated glee or

2) it will be closer to 3 dead whales rotting on a beach and people will scream and pull at their hair in the aftermath. No middle ground seems possible.

I lean towards #2, but full disclosure, I am a GAS-sy old proghead who plays that 9-note theme from "Olias of Sunhillow" in music stores to see if anyone notices. grin


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Even if #1 is true, there will always be someone to complain that it's under 200 lbs.

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it will be closer to 3 dead whales rotting on a beach


There's a picture. sick

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I am a GAS-sy old proghead who plays that 9-note theme from "Olias of Sunhillow" in music stores to see if anyone notices.


Wow... I haven't listened to that album in ages. Have it on vinyl somewhere.


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If Behringer goes to the trouble of actually recreating the CS-80 oscillators, this could be a real winner. That, and a PolyAT keyboard is an absolute MUST, and Iím not saying that just because Iím a PolyAT fanatic.

In the meantime, I really want to see Behringer clone a Jupiter 8...

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Does the potential of Behringer bringing any of these to production make you hesitate buying anything now?


Me for sure. I was discussing this with another forum member while enjoying a few pints this past Saturday evening.


Not to mention a nice bottle of Shiraz, compliments of our Australian connection twothumbs wave.

Btw I wouldn't take too seriously the opinion of some guy constantly opening up synths, feeling around and then licking his fingers for some reason. puff roll

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