kwyn Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Do the Nord C2D and electro have the same action? If not, is the C2D faster? Which clones have the best actions in your opinions? I'm hoping to hear about only Keybed action in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadHousePiano Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I have the electro 5D and my understanding is that it is the same, waterfall, keybed as the C2D. The electro HP models have a hammer action. Quote Korg SV2, Nord Electro 5D, Gigperformer/lots of VSTs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen S Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 A few years ago, I was shopping for a dual-manual organ clone. I presently have a Hammond B3, and had another chopped Hammond at the time. I've also owned (or still own) Nord Electro 2/3/5, Piano 2 and Stage 3. At the time I was shopping, i was able to borrow a C2D for a gig. While I've generally had good luck with Nord products, I did not love the C2D primarily because of the action. It was just a bit stiffer than I liked; more like the action on the Electro than a real Hammond action. I don't know if the Electro and C2D have the same action, but from what I could tell they seemed quite similar. I ended up buying a dual-manual Mojo and really like its action. I've not tried any of the Hammond Clones so I can't comment as to how those would stack up. Quote DISCLAIMER - professionally affiliated with Fulcrum Acoustic www.fulcrum-acoustic.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyn Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 I have the electro 5D and my understanding is that it is the same, waterfall, keybed as the C2D. The electro HP models have a hammer action. I have the 5d also. So the C2D has the same keybed and springs as the 5d? That's too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyn Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 I ended up buying a dual-manual Mojo and really like its action. I've not tried any of the Hammond Clones so I can't comment as to how those would stack up. I hear people like the mojo action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadHousePiano Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I have the electro 5D and my understanding is that it is the same, waterfall, keybed as the C2D. The electro HP models have a hammer action. I have the 5d also. So the C2D has the same keybed and springs as the 5d? That's too bad. I can't say for sure if they're the same as i've never played the C2D, i'm making an educated guess that may be incorrect. Quote Korg SV2, Nord Electro 5D, Gigperformer/lots of VSTs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I recently got an electro 6d after considering a Mojo and after selling my Roland vR700. Main considerations were the compact size, light weight and the additional sounds from the library. I LOVED the VR700 keybed and never really liked the electro 3 keys that I tried out many a time at a local store...but when my buddy got his 5d I could swear it wasn't quite as stiff and springy as that electro 3. In any case, I'm loving it so far, though I wouldn't want to play much piano on it for sure. It's springier than my Roland was, and most reviews suggest the same when compared to the Mojo, but I just play it and it never crosses my mind. Caveat, I'm not really an "organist", I make organ noises in a classic rock band! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMan Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 Not sure if this helps, but at one time I had a NE4 and C1 at the same time. C1 was much faster and springier. I really loved the feel of that board, just not the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoB3 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I really won't purchase the RED STUFF but I will admit I had fun with the C2D a few times. Sounds decent, good feeling keybed. New XK5 keybed (and faux multi-contact) gets a gold star as well. Not a fan of Mojo keybed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I can't play the Nord Electro actions. Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesG Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 JoJo, tried the new Mojo keybed? Quote Hammond: L111, M100, M3, BC, CV, Franken CV, A100, D152, C3, B3 Leslie: 710, 760, 51C, 147, 145, 122, 22H, 31H Yamaha: CP4, DGX-620, DX7II-FD-E!, PF85, DX9 Roland: VR-09, RD-800 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwyn Posted May 6, 2019 Author Share Posted May 6, 2019 I started this thread because action never mattered much to me before beyond semi vs full weighted. So I was fine with the Nord action, dmc,SK, and so on. Now that I've been playing a C3 for the first time in my life, going back to my Nord E5D is tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoB3 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 JoJo, tried the new Mojo keybed? No, just the early orig. Better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iluvchiclets Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 It's funny, I hear a lot of complaints about the Electro action. I myself am not crazy about it either. Why wouldn't NORD just get it right like the VR700 or 730 actions? Or like their Stage Compact actions? An action that is just right for both EPS and organs.... Quote Electro 5, NI Kontrol S61/49, MX49, PC3, Rev2, Prologue, Pro3, Juno-DS, Mopho Keys, SE02, drums, tons of synth software, guitars, amps, and pedals...help me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkost2002 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Nord waterfall actions are not good for real organ playing Mojo is still the best for real organ playing, besides the real thing (and I mean any REAL Hammond console) Quote "I have constantly tried to deliver only products which withstand the closest scrutiny � products which prove themselves superior in every respect.� Robert Bosch, 1919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 JoJo, tried the new Mojo keybed? No, just the early orig. Better? From reports here, yes. I know that the Mojo 61 action is great and I am even okay using it for pianos at one-keyboard gigs. The Electro 2 I had was always a poor "worst of both worlds" compromise IMNSHO. Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteinwayB Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I have the C1 and Mojo 61 and I find the Mojo 61 infinitely more playable. Not sure why; they feel about the same without volume but they play very differently. Maybe they trigger at different point of the keystroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 JoJo, tried the new Mojo keybed? No, just the early orig. Better? From reports here, yes. I know that the Mojo 61 action is great and I am even okay using it for pianos at one-keyboard gigs. The Electro 2 I had was always a poor "worst of both worlds" compromise IMNSHO. I love my E5D, but I agree that the action is kind of a bad middle ground. It should be lighter, or they should sell a mod kit that has lighter springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthiola Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Okay, here's some non scientific measurement. I stacked a few weights at the end of a white key to move it to the high trigger point. C2D 75 grams NS3 (compact) 95 grams VR700 55 grams This confirms what I always thought, that the C2D action is lighter than the NS/NE (I don't have a NE anymore so I can't measure, but afaik it's similar to the NS). Disclaimer is that my C2D is 7 years old and the NS3 new, but the little played keys (low octave, upper keyboard) are approx. the same. The VR700 is very light but also seem to have less resistance moving up and down, very smooth action. To me, lighter is definitely nicer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Towne Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 The newer Mojo keybeds (including the Mojo61 and newer dual manual Mojos) are definitely different. Crumar began custom adjustments to the standard Fatar waterfall keybed thats is used in almost all clones. Quote Endorsing Artist/Ambassador for MAG Organs and Motion Sound Amplifiers, Organ player for SRT - www.srtgroove.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Why wouldn't NORD just get it right like the VR700 or 730 actions? Or like their Stage Compact actions? Roland VR700 and VK8 actions are great. Roland has their own actions, Nord is limited to what they can get from other companies (typically Fatar), though they can be modified somewhat. Everyone seems to agree that the newer Mojos feel better than the original, despite using the same basic Fatar TP8O mechanism. Similarly the Numa Organ 2 feels better than the original Numa organ (lower spring tension, and a felt to shorten total throw), though both are again TP8O. Roland VR730 is supposedly also based on the TP8O, I haven't played that one. Nord Stage Compact and Electro actions are the same TP8O as well, though more heavily sprung than most (and the Compact has aftertouch, which may affect the feel of the landing). Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt W Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Okay, here's some non scientific measurement. I stacked a few weights at the end of a white key to move it to the high trigger point. C2D 75 grams NS3 (compact) 95 grams VR700 55 grams I have just done the same type of non scientific measurements on my Nord C2, Mojo 61 and Nord Stage 3 Compact(1.5 years old) C2 75-80 grams Mojo 61 55-60 grams NS3C 75-80 grams Mojo 61 triggers about 1.5-2 millimeters higher than the Nords. At least my measurements confirms that Crumar use softer springs than Nord. And guess what triggers my 1974 B3? 70-80 grams........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Towne Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 And guess what triggers my 1974 B3? 70-80 grams........ That isn't that surprising. 70s Hammonds have, in my experience, a much stiffer action than organs from the 50s and 60s. Quote Endorsing Artist/Ambassador for MAG Organs and Motion Sound Amplifiers, Organ player for SRT - www.srtgroove.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt W Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 For the more than average interested: https://asa.scitation.org/doi/full/10.1121/1.5003796 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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