analogika Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Sweet Home Alabama. Trauma revisited after the first piano lick. End it there. The damage is done. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I disagree on American Pie. As music only it might be boring, but I connect to the lyrics on a deep emotional level. Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje31 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 MacArthur Park Richard Harris released April 1968 7:20..I know..I have both singles. [video:youtube] If anything, NOT LONG ENOUGH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 The example I gave (American Pie) is one of those, since the verses and chorus just keep going on and on without anything else other than slowing it down in the beginning and end. I disagree on American Pie. As music only it might be boring, but I connect to the lyrics on a deep emotional level. American Pie totally works for me. Really nice piano work, too. And even though the verse-chorus combination repeats 7 times, there's a decent amount of variety in the chords, melodies, rhythms, and vocal delivery. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 But those old enough remember when long songs were the cool new thing on the radio. That hip listeners were tired of three minute Pop/Rock and FM radio started becoming AOR (album oriented rock) with stations playing long songs and even complete sides of albums. Then everyone was happy to hear those long Doors and Allman Brothers and other tunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Do you folks remember when the record company told the band Chicago that they would NOT pay them any royalties on albums that had more than 10 songs on them? The record company got tired of endless solos and songs that went on forever. Yep. Mike T. Quote Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonizer Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Do you folks remember when the record company told the band Chicago that they would NOT pay them any royalties on albums that had more than 10 songs on them? ...... The ironic thing is that I was told that either the record company or their producer pressured them to make Chicago III be a 2-LP album, when the songs they had available really only merited a 1-LP album. After III, the only other 2-LP album of new material they released was VII (the 4-LP IV was a live album with only 1 new song). Do you know at what time in their history Chicago was told they would not be paid royalties on more than 10 songs per album? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Love 'em or hate 'em, there are many tunes out there--often from the 70's--that are WAY too long. Maybe we enjoyed them back in the day but now, not so much. Sometimes people run out of the room screaming after just a few opening notes. Perhaps shorter versions would be more appreciated. Anyway, here are a few that come to mind: [video:youtube] [video:youtube]://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WUdlaLWSVM [video:youtube]://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA Feel free to list your "favorites." You can't include prog in any such discussion - the length of the song usually defines whether something is prog or not. My view on songs that need to be shortened to zero: 1) Anything by Bruce "Don't Push Me" Springsteen 2) Anything by Santana 3) Anything by Don Maclean Springsteen and Santana are fine. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Or it's all part of the attention deficit everyone today is suffering. I was reading in this modern world of too many radio stations and streams many radio station are shortening songs because they discovered listener are growing bored fast and changing stations. IMO it's a bad side effect of this digital age. I do not desire nor require a scintific team of experts to explain music to me.. My gut tells me one of the essential reasons people are bored ( aside from drug use, which dulls the sensibilities and perhaps a jaded populace ) is the nature of the music itself. Compare music from early 20 th century, including the semi classical composers, like Leroy Anderson, (not Ian), and I perceive greater musical ability of the writers. Beatles , Stevie Wonder, EWF, Sting, Donald Fagen, are wonderful exceptions, but there is too much repetition in the music. Repetition means more than one aspect. I have never analyzed this, but off the top. Melody, counter melodies, variations in harmony... not the precisely identical chords every dull time, drum machine ( basically ) monotony. ( they do a great job of covering up the monotony of drum loops though - but an actual rhythmic drummer is still generally more interesting) , I go back and listen to music from 150, 100 years ago and this seems true to me. And Beatles were 50 years ago, and Sgt Pepper is a masterpiece of variation. Repetition is its own thing coming out of ( off the top ) African, Latin and Indian ( India ) musical conceptions. But if that valid conception is taken away from its home, and used in the hands of a Garage band or Ableton artist, something is taken away. I recall John Coltrane being into a repetitive thing... and it was a religious feeling, where mantra is a distinct part of the music design to raise consciousness. I believe this still. But again, it became warped in lesser hands. Quote You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 ANY modern gospel song with ad infinitum choruses Hmmm this is a little away from my experience , but being moved by the ( is it!? ) "Holy Ghost" or is it Holy Spirit, that gospel people refer to? This Holy spirit is a whole other way to be involved with music. It is African American, and is special. The spirit can take over the performers, a beautiful experience; but leave your left brain at the door. Quote You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I disagree on American Pie. As music only it might be boring, but I connect to the lyrics on a deep emotional level. Me too.. music too. Quote You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 MacArthur Park Richard Harris released April 1968 7:20..I know..I have both singles. [video:youtube] If anything, NOT LONG ENOUGH! Yes, I liked that song and arrangement very much. Quote You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Do you know at what time in their history Chicago was told they would not be paid royalties on more than 10 songs per album? Yeah I'd be interested in more info on this as well. I'm not sure how you could even count songs up on a Chicago album, since they often ran songs together as medleys. They were also fond of including little snippets as intros or preludes in separate divisions on the vinyl. Would a corporate exec count those as songs? I can imagine a label pressuring the band to go in a more commercial direction, which of course they did in spectacular fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 http://bluefunk.rocks/KCAvatars/JazzyGoodtimes.jpg As much as I love Stevie, I never sit through all of "Isn't She Lovely." Not only is the repetition tedious, but as a very deliberate non-parent, I find the "sounds of giving the kid a bath" part just repulsive. I feel similarly. But the first part is just beautiful. Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Clark Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Somebody put this on the jukebox one time, and I lost it. [video:youtube] Quote Soul, R&B, Pop from Los Angeles http://philipclark.com Cannonball Gerald Albright Signature Alto, Yamaha YC73, Fender Rhodes, Roland Juno-106, Yamaha MX61, Roland VR-09, MicroKorg XL, Maschine Mikro, Yamaha Reface CP, Roland MKS-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 But those old enough remember when long songs were the cool new thing on the radio. That hip listeners were tired of three minute Pop/Rock and FM radio started becoming AOR (album oriented rock) with stations playing long songs and even complete sides of albums. Then everyone was happy to hear those long Doors and Allman Brothers and other tunes. Not only that, some of us who spun the records at the station loved the long songs.... it meant bathroom break Gotta hit the head? Spin up Grand Funk Railroad "Im' your Captain/Closer To Home" Almost ten minutes of potty time That is until the time the needle skipped and I'm running back down the hall to the booth to recover .... Quote David Gig Rig:Casio Privia PX-5S | Yamaha MODX+ 6 | MacBook Pro 14" M1| Mainstage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBarker Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I thought Howes 'rockabilly ' guitar passage was clever. Very different from what most rock and blues guitarists were doing back then. Well, he did repurpose it from a song in another band he had just written it in. It was not originally a Yes tune at all, but I'm forgetting the band and the song. But I think Yes doesn't really work without Howe, because he's really the one who brings the music down to earth with his blue collar-style roots grit. The rest of the band are all up in varying degrees of LaLa land, completely divorced from the blues and the origins of rock & roll. Don't get me wrong, Howe wasn't some backwater cow handeither, he got all crazy with his echoplexes and psychedelitry too, but he always could bring the music back to earth. Quote Puck Funk! Equipment: Laptop running lots of nerdy software, some keyboards, noise makersâ¦yada yada yadaâ¦maybe a cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piktor Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Technically, not a song, but it does feature keyboards: John Cage Organ Project I just hope that some "Freebird" type audience member will be there in in 2640 to shout out "One more time!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 there is too much repetition in the music. Repetition can be a good thing [video:youtube] Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 How about the standard that all too-long songs have been measured against since rock n roll was invented: in-a-gadda-da-vida? Quote The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 [font:Century Gothic]every kid rock song[/font] Quote http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montunoman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Im subbing at a nondenominational Christian church, and man those contemporary Christian rock songs go on for EVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Paxton Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Im subbing at a nondenominational Christian church, and man those contemporary Christian rock songs go on for EVER! I did a similar gig years ago. I usually got that feeling by about the fourth bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Here's a song that clocks in around 6-7 minutes, and they pretty much never change the key. I could listen to this for 8 hours straight, and then another 8 hours after that. [video:youtube] Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 When "American Pie" came out, there were a lot of comedians at the time that integrated music with their schtick, so when my brother and I heard it on WBCN for the first time, we were laughing hysterically due to the repetition, as we couldn't imagine a serious artist ever doing that so figured it HAD to be a joke! We had the same reaction a bit later upon hearing Philip Glass (our first exposure to him) in a full performance of the opera "Einstein at the Beach". We thought maybe it was something along the lines of PDQ Bach. Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconoclast Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Do you Feel Like I Do - Frampton Live Stranglehold - Nugent Wow...I specifically thought of those songs as NOT too long. I think I might be older than you so maybe it's that I discovered them when I still had more time on my hands! Quote You want me to start this song too slow or too fast? Forte7, Nord Stage 3, XK3c, OB-6, Arturia Collection, Mainstage, MotionSound KBR3D. A bunch of MusicMan Guitars, Line6 stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyNQ Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I could listen to this for 8 hours straight, and then another 8 hours after that. Proving that diversity of taste is alive and beautiful, Im happy to pump the brakes on this style of music after about 15 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 When "American Pie" came out, there were a lot of comedians at the time that integrated music with their schtick Speaking of comedians, Tim Hawkins has an interesting idea for long songs: [video:youtube] Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Tim Hawkins should tackle Theo's posts: "Digital sucks, but my Linux algorithms are working on it". Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 On a side note, how does one embed video? I notice people don't click a video link; it has less power. I spent an hour yesterday trying different things in HTML after inspecting the code pages of posts that embed video, to no avail. I did not see this topic covered in the FAQ's section. I seem to be the only one who doesn't know how to do it. :-) Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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