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#2983443 - 04/04/19 07:54 AM Eliminating all the stress in my life.
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Hi everyone, it is 4:40am and I am getting ready for my 45 min drive to Honolulu for school. After weeks of thought I have decided to leave GP forum. The stress of having to be perfect in my choice of words, my spelling and my grammar is to stressful for me. I now realize I can never live up to Whitefangs expectations of perfection. For everyone else I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your kindness, your help and your patience. Do not worry about me, I will be surfing, playing music and loving my life.

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#2983456 - 04/04/19 08:16 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Good luck!

We’ll be here if you decide to come back, don’t fear.
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#2983467 - 04/04/19 08:46 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I hate to see you leave Surfer Girl! I'll be with you in spirit and wish you all the best! +1 on Danny A's we'll be here if you ever decide to come back. Surf's Up, enjoy life! twothumbs Larryz
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#2983468 - 04/04/19 08:47 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Do what I do - stick around, but just block viewing his responses. Communicate with the ones who matter to you, without having to read irrelevant posts.

Either way, I thank you for your contributions, and wish you nothing but the best.
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#2983482 - 04/04/19 09:55 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Danzilla]
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I hope you reconsider. THis site has so much information and many helpful members - there is much to miss out on. Plus as you grow older you will learn to just grin at people that get under your skin instead of feeling stress. Jim


Edited by jimmac (04/04/19 09:57 AM)

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#2983490 - 04/04/19 10:39 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: jimmac]
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Surfergirl, please stick around. It's great to have a wide variety of people here with different tastes, experiences, and ideas. I always enjoy reading anything you write, because it's from a completely different point of view.
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#2983509 - 04/04/19 01:07 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
Hi everyone, it is 4:40am and I am getting ready for my 45 min drive to Honolulu for school. After weeks of thought I have decided to leave GP forum. The stress of having to be perfect in my choice of words, my spelling and my grammar is to stressful for me. I now realize I can never live up to Whitefangs expectations of perfection. For everyone else I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your kindness, your help and your patience. Do not worry about me, I will be surfing, playing music and loving my life.
Hang out surfer girl, and don't take the Fang's picking apart spelling and grammar corrections to heart. I simply ignore it when he goes off like that. No one else here wants to pick people apart like that, he must be unaware of how he makes folks feel, but I have learned to work my way around his little "but ins" with being able to ignore his shtick. Anyways best of luck in your education. I hope to see you back here after a bit.
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#2983531 - 04/04/19 04:22 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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The man made a couple of snarky remarks regarding various things I posted a couple of years back and I ignored it rather than get into a flame fight or whatever.

Bottom Line: not worth my time and not worth yours. Unfortunate that it was in your mind that long - took me about 5 minutes and is mainly the reason I don't bother much with this forum.

My advice would be to toughen-up because your journey through life will be full of people who bitch, complain and cause problems for no apparent reason other than an inflated ego or some deep-routed desire to be a PITA.
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#2983533 - 04/04/19 04:46 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Bartholomew]
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We don't like to hear the word "vampire" around here; we're trying to improve our public image. Building a kindly, avuncular, benevolent image; "interdependence" is the keyword -- "enlightened interdependence".

Life in all its rich variety, take a little, leave a little. However, by the inexorable logistics of the vampiric process they always take more than they leave -- and why, indeed, should they take any?


~William S. Burroughs, Advice for Young People


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (04/04/19 04:47 PM)
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#2983572 - 04/05/19 04:00 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Yeah, don't blame any of this on ME! Bartholomew had the right approach, as most of my pointing out any spelling and grammar flaws are only meant as CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. AND also played a large part in MY improvement in that area. MY main fault in a lot of this is my refusal to be anyone's enabler. Plus, it's all mostly done good natured, and was NEVER meant to be taken as serious affront.

I guess too, that I'm still used to how most of us behaved in this place back in "the day". A lot of "good natured" pickin' at one another was done here(and I was the recipient of a LOT of it!) and most took it all in the spirit in which it was given. smile

So, please stick around. Otherwise, THIS might be the "future" of music we ALL might get stuck with! razz



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#2983615 - 04/05/19 08:28 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
Hi everyone, it is 4:40am and I am getting ready for my 45 min drive to Honolulu for school. After weeks of thought I have decided to leave GP forum. The stress of having to be perfect in my choice of words, my spelling and my grammar is to stressful for me. I now realize I can never live up to Whitefangs expectations of perfection. For everyone else I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your kindness, your help and your patience. Do not worry about me, I will be surfing, playing music and loving my life.


That saddens me... two of the things this board vitally needs to not literally die off are younger posters and female posters, and that it is a stressful, unwelcoming atmosphere for you is sad. I would hope it would give the regular posters cause for reflection... the world is changing all around us. In my youth (I've officially crossed over into non-youth) I was probably the epitome of the guy everyone considered to be someone who made everyone feel comfortable and heard, now I have younger males telling me I'm a blowhard bully who steamrolls over everybody around me. I haven't changed, the world and society have, and if I want to be a part of it I need to adapt a little bit. Or I can go live in a cave and talk to myself.

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#2983645 - 04/05/19 10:57 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: p90jr]
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The "3rd grade education" thing was the end for me. I do not consider that "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism", I call it mean and hurtful. Whatever I did to deserve that, I apologize.


Edited by surfergirl (04/05/19 10:58 AM)

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#2983659 - 04/05/19 12:33 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
The "3rd grade education" thing was the end for me. I do not consider that "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism", I call it mean and hurtful. Whatever I did to deserve that, I apologize.


You should not apologize as you did nothing to deserve it, and it was mean and hurtful.

This is one of the things I've had to consider in dealing with musicians younger than myself... I can't make offhand comments or criticisms as I would to a peer because even if I consider them that way they are giving me a little more weight in the exchange. If one of your classmates said that it wouldn't bother you as much... you'd just shut it down.

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#2983662 - 04/05/19 01:11 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
Originally Posted By: surfergirl
The "3rd grade education" thing was the end for me. I do not consider that "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism", I call it mean and hurtful. Whatever I did to deserve that, I apologize.


You should not apologize as you did nothing to deserve it, and it was mean and hurtful.


No, it was spiteful trolling and I'm sick to death of it.

Surfergirl has contributed more to the tone of the discussion in this Forum than our resident troll, and it's about time he was blocked or banned, period. I don't care how miserable the old bastard is in his life, let him take it out on himself, instead of trolling everyone in here. I can't think of one useful or constructive remark from the troll, and we've all become "enablers' by not calling him out on it. IRL, he'd have been invited to leave, or taken a good punch in the face by now, possibly both.

If the rest of you are too polite to say, I'm not - Whitefang is nothing but a miserable god-damned troll, and contributes nothing but strife to this Forum. I've done myself the favor of backing his remarks, and if the moderators won't ban him, I suggest everyone simply block him, until he realizes that no one is seeing his posts anymore, and he's just left trolling himself. No one else needs his abuse, anymore . . .

No, this isn't the tone I want to bring to this Forum, either, but when I see a contributing young member getting ready to leave, because of this dead weight, it's time to cast someone loose . . . Where are the moderators when Whitefang is bullying people in here?
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#2983677 - 04/05/19 02:42 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr


That saddens me... two of the things this board vitally needs to not literally die off are younger posters and female posters, and that it is a stressful, unwelcoming atmosphere for you is sad. I would hope it would give the regular posters cause for reflection... the world is changing all around us. In my youth (I've officially crossed over into non-youth) I was probably the epitome of the guy everyone considered to be someone who made everyone feel comfortable and heard, now I have younger males telling me I'm a blowhard bully who steamrolls over everybody around me. I haven't changed, the world and society have, and if I want to be a part of it I need to adapt a little bit. Or I can go live in a cave and talk to myself.


I wish we had an upvote system on this board. Well said.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (04/05/19 02:42 PM)
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#2983679 - 04/05/19 02:59 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith

No, it was spiteful trolling and I'm sick to death of it.
Well said amigo. I do put up with him because he is a regular and sometimes he is reasonable. However it is time we all called him out on his rudeness. Maybe he does not intend it as rudeness, but it certainly comes across as rude and unnecessary, especially to point his vehemence at a decent young female forum citizen. I hope she reads all of this and sees that we support her as a member, and stays with us. She can block him easily and be done with his remarks. To ignore him surfergirl click on his name, select his profile, and click on ignore this user. That should do it. Almost everyone else on the board supports you staying, and we will defend you as soon as anyone is unnecessarily critical of you......Especially against anyone who is unreasonably nitpicking insignificant little things so rudely. Hang out surfergirl we will help.
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#2983687 - 04/05/19 04:03 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
The "3rd grade education" thing was the end for me. I do not consider that "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism", I call it mean and hurtful. Whatever I did to deserve that, I apologize.


Surfer Girl, The only one who needs to apologize is Whitefang. If he's man enough to do so. If not, I'm going to follow the advise of the others and block him so I do not have to read his future comments. Trying to pass this off as constructive criticism or just good natured fun does not cut it with me. Accusing you of not reading the NPR article that you described was also rude. Thus I posted the written NPR article link for you. You can tell that we all support you 100% and really want you to stay with us. I have already stopped responding to him on this and on the other forum. He just can't leave me and anything I post out of his "constructive criticism" path. Hang in there Surfer Girl! Sincerely, Larryz


Edited by Larryz (04/05/19 04:20 PM)
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#2983699 - 04/05/19 05:26 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Larryz]
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#2983702 - 04/05/19 05:53 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Lokair]
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I think folks should decide whats best for them.

We live in a somewhat crazy world. I am not making excuses for anyone, but we have to expect a 'variety ' of behavior in most walks of life.

All I can say is, make a decision and Don't Look Back.

which is the title of a song I wrote this week:

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#2983760 - 04/06/19 04:24 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
Originally Posted By: surfergirl
The "3rd grade education" thing was the end for me. I do not consider that "CONSTRUCTIVE criticism", I call it mean and hurtful. Whatever I did to deserve that, I apologize.


You should not apologize as you did nothing to deserve it, and it was mean and hurtful.


That's true. I'll apologize for it, and sincerely. And for the record, the proper quote should be, "3rd grade English." wink And too, the kind of thing I've seen TOO much of(poor grammar and spelling) on FB(where too, people get deeply hurt if you just post a different point of view rolleyes ), and only just in more recent years in this forum.

And what's hurtful is after nearly 20 years in this forum, many STILL don't seem to know me. If they did, they wouldn't be offended because that's the way I, and many others that used to be here were(are). And there's been plenty of times I was harder on mySELF than I ever was on anyone else.

There was(is) a member here who, when upset over really nothing (too thin a skin on that one), would not only adorably take to calling me a "hack", but also feel the need to point out how "serious" and WELL TRAINED he is as a musician, but too, the "adorable" part being he probably thought he was insulting me. But, truth be told, the FIRST person to call me a "hack" in this forum was ME! wink AND on several occasions. All one EVER had to do was respond in kind, and we'd be good. wink Face it....

Internet forums contain a collection of people from all over the world, and the world is NO place to go through with a thin skin, else one will NEVER find comfort. And too, didja ever consider that possibly, my criticism and attempts to make corrections in someone's grammar or spelling( and I too, make mistakes in that area also) is because I think HIGH ENOUGH about them that they'd be OK with a slight correction? And too, think high enough about them that they'd know the difference between ACTUAL mean spirited criticism and "good natured" tongue in cheek "pickin" ". wink

So, next time any of you think I stepped out of line, let me HAVE it! Either here, or in PM, I'm OK with it.
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#2983837 - 04/06/19 12:37 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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I stand corrected, it was English not education. I should have checked my facts before I posted. In order to put this to rest, I accept your apology and will believe it is sincere. I would rather have had it a week ago, but today is fine.
You seem to think I am thin skinned, you were right. As a surfer you have to be thick skinned. Every wave has a chance to humiliate you, and when it does your Mother, boyfriend, best friends and every who saw you would show no mercy. Here I was in a different element, and before yesterday I was thin skinned. Yesterday I decided to stand up for myself, not knowing or caring what the backlash might be. Yesterday I became thick skinned.

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#2983842 - 04/06/19 01:12 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
I stand corrected, it was English not education. I should have checked my facts before I posted. In order put this rest, I accept your apology and will believe it is sincere. I would rather have had a week ago, but today is fine.
You seem to think I am thin skinned, you were right. As a surfer you have to be thick skinned. Every wave has a chance to humiliate you, and when it does your Mother, boyfriend, best friends and every who saw you would show no mercy. Here I was in a different element, and before yesterday I was thin skinned. Yesterday I decided to stand up for myself, not knowing or caring what the backlash might be. Yesterday I became thick skinned.


Welcome back surfergirl. In order to surf the waves of the ocean, you have to be absolutely brave. Example; on the paddle out from the first wave I successfully rode, I was paddling out in Kill Devil Hills on the outer banks of North Carolina, I saw a 15 foot shark riding the wave crest just outside the break.

Another time I was surfing somewhere near Solana Beach California, I paddled out to this cloud break which was peeling rights on a perfect windless day and there was no one out, I paddled out even though I was alone out there because the waves were perfect, glassy, head high, breaking top to middle. I had it all to myself when a giant Sea Lion or whatever it was, popped up next to my surfboard and looked at me not 2 feet from my face and just stayed there just staring at me. That was a heart stopper for sure.

I never surfer Oahu, but I did surf Kauai. The waves were awesome. The biggest I ever surfed was double overhead at Cardiff Reef, and one of the breaks just north of Cardiff Reef California. Anyways in order to surf the ocean waves you have to conquer fear like no other sport that I have ever tried.

Just hang in here with us, we all like you just as you are, and most of us will help in any way to keep you comfortable here on this board.
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#2983920 - 04/06/19 08:40 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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Surfergirl, sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Glad to hear you'll stick around. We are richer with your input than without it.
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#2983956 - 04/07/19 03:59 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
I stand corrected, it was English not education. I should have checked my facts before I posted. In order to put this to rest, I accept your apology and will believe it is sincere. I would rather have had it a week ago, but today is fine.
You seem to think I am thin skinned, you were right. As a surfer you have to be thick skinned. Every wave has a chance to humiliate you, and when it does your Mother, boyfriend, best friends and every who saw you would show no mercy. Here I was in a different element, and before yesterday I was thin skinned. Yesterday I decided to stand up for myself, not knowing or caring what the backlash might be. Yesterday I became thick skinned.


Well, MY "backlash" is....
I'd be disappointed if you, or ANYONE ELSE didn't take me to task. And I suppose I should scale back on the "curmudgeon" a bit. smile

But too, I suppose in this case it has a bit to do with envy.....

I mean, if some of the worst "stress" I ever had to deal with was what some crabby old fart of a bitch on some (and essentially when in context with the "big picture") pissant internet message board posts, my life would be GOLDEN! wink love

Well, that and the surfing....

The only surfing I do, and am capable of, is usually done with a TV remote! hitt wacko
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#2984106 - 04/08/19 08:08 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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The mods are watching.

There is a fine line between being fair and doing the right thing. I have given Whitefang a few warnings now. Personally, I only like to ban as an absolute last resort. I can see that Whitefang is still making people uncomfortable and upset and as such, am offering one last ditch attempt at a final warning:

Whitefang, the environment here was toxic, "back in the day". If you were in the "Club" it was cool but for everyone else, it was a rough go. Just because you belonged to a group of trolls/bullies back in the day, doesn't somehow mean it's acceptable to do, now that the place is cleaned up. This forum is meant to be an open and inviting place to all. If you feel as though you will have trouble following the rules and "de-trolling" yourself, I will not hesitate to ban you.
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#2984107 - 04/08/19 08:10 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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@surfergirl,
Glad you decided to stick around. My apologies for not acting quicker on this. You are a welcome addition around here. This is a place for learning and sharing. Not being doled out, "Life lessons".
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#2984129 - 04/08/19 09:49 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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The mods are watching.

There is a fine line between being fair and doing the right thing. I have given Whitefang a few warnings now. Personally, I only like to ban as an absolute last resort. I can see that Whitefang is still making people uncomfortable and upset and as such, am offering one last ditch attempt at a final warning:

Whitefang, the environment here was toxic, "back in the day". If you were in the "Club" it was cool but for everyone else, it was a rough go. Just because you belonged to a group of trolls/bullies back in the day, doesn't somehow mean it's acceptable to do, now that the place is cleaned up. This forum is meant to be an open and inviting place to all. If you feel as though you will have trouble following the rules and "de-trolling" yourself, I will not hesitate to ban you.


I apologize for the tone of my own post in this thread, as I feel I've hit "troll" level, but I can't apologize for the points I made, however crudely expressed.

Bullies always whine that they're just mis-understood fun guys, but when someone says, "Stop that, it hurts/ annoys/upsets me!" and the response is "Why would I stop, I think it's funny?", "It's just who I am!", or "You're too sensitive!", that's just abuse, and a clear sign the abuser has no intention of stopping the behavior.

The age card won't play here, either. WF should be old enough to remember when no grown man - no decent, sober man, at least - would find it funny nor acceptable to abuse and humiliate a young lady, particularly in a public space. (No, I don't want to see a return of 19th Century paternalism and chauvinism, but my point still holds - this was never acceptable behavior.)

I've had one thread I started, concerning a silly pedal, of all things, turn into a virtual screaming match between WF and another member who we no longer see in here, and FWIW, WF contributed nothing of worth to the thread, just upended it. That happens too often.
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#2984136 - 04/08/19 10:34 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Mainly, I don't want to see a witch hunt. I know folks are upset. Whitefang was having a rough go and took it out on the forum. He shouldn't have. His continuing to defend his actions are not a good indicator, but I want to at least give him one more try. Armed with all of the info, should we see any further issues, there will be a ban. However, I implore everyone to give him one last chance.
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#2984145 - 04/08/19 11:18 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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"Illegitimi non carborundum"

Don't let the bastards grind you down".


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#2984146 - 04/08/19 11:21 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Fred_C]
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Hey, Fred! Glad to see you were able to get back in!
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#2984147 - 04/08/19 11:22 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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Originally Posted By: A String
Mainly, I don't want to see a witch hunt. - However, I implore everyone to give him one last chance.


Understood, but, respectfully, this isn't a witch hunt, it's a long-simmering pot come to a boil. As to your last point, to paraphrase a popular saying, "I'm all out of chances to give."

Thanks for letting me have my say. All the best . . .
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#2984152 - 04/08/19 11:35 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: surfergirl]
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I'm certain that most of you are already aware of my opinion on the member under discussion.

In the past, I simply ignored his venomous posts and will continue to do so. I got tired of arguing with someone whose opinions had no basis in fact, but rather were based on "magic, smoke and mirrors".

I will say that I am very pleased to see the management take him to task for his vitriol.
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#2984153 - 04/08/19 11:38 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Fred_C]
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Glad to see you are back with us and got your sign-on working again Brother Fred! thu
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#2984154 - 04/08/19 11:40 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Larryz]
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Thanks Bro. Larry for your friendship and assistance.
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#2984155 - 04/08/19 11:40 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Larryz]
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Thanks A String! cool
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#2984158 - 04/08/19 11:44 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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Hey Craig,

Thank you so much for welcoming me back.
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#2984166 - 04/08/19 12:14 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
respectfully, this isn't a witch hunt, it's a long-simmering pot come to a boil.


Maybe "Witch Hunt" was too strong a phrase for the situation. My point was simply that I want to maintain cool heads here. He now knows he has a final chance. Should he blow it, he's gone. Everyone else can continue life, as usual.

I can't stress enough. I am trying to take everyone's feelings into consideration here. I understand how everyone feels and will do my best to make sure that it all ends here, today.
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#2984288 - 04/09/19 05:10 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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First off, I never considered what I did as "trolling". I always made it clear, one way or another, or simply by making sure by the way things were stated, that it WAS all "tongue in cheek" and no serious offense was being given. And I refuse to believe that NObody here EVER "teases" anyone they know, friend or family, and either mildly or mercilessly, and with NO intent to do "damage".

And, certainly I can't be blamed if what others read(or rather, not really) is taken out of context. OR doesn't assuage anyone's inner sense of self. After all, this place ISN'T called, "The guitar player's POLLYANNA forum" right? And I too, have had a fair share of vitriol come my way(and not ONCE considered threatening to leave or run whining and crying to the mods) and mostly due to( as I pointed out a bit ago) somebody taking things way out of context, or else my response and/or opinion wasn't the one THEY thought it SHOULD be. And that can't be helped. I look at this place as an extension of real life. And we ALL know( since I give all here the benefit of the doubt of being mature enough) that in "real life", that if you DON'T want honest opinions, then don't ask for ANY.

And despite what Astring claims, I NEVER personally received any "warning" of any kind. Not that I noticed here, or in a PM( which is where they should have come). But I'll take it under advisement. I like the idea of everyone getting along here, but I'm not sure I could long endure this as a place to come for fabricated sincerity, or becomes just becomes a huge "pod person" circle jerk.

After all, as I've pointed out before, THOSE are two of the main reasons I quit bothering with FB. AND why I prefer forums and message boards. And so now, I invite ANYONE to dredge up an old forum archive in which I clearly stated I DON'T like, or DIDN'T like anyone in particular in these forums. And NOT a case where it might have been perceived so because I expressed a negative opinion about a previous post they might have made, and perhaps that opinion was brutally honest.
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#2984308 - 04/09/19 08:34 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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It is not a matter of what you intended Fangster, it is how the outside world perceives what you presented. And your presentation was actually perceived as trolling by almost everyone else on the board. The only one who got your intent was you. I just learned to overlook what was coming at me from your little quips, but others are not likely to excuse your presentation, because it read like trolling to everyone else but you.
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#2984316 - 04/09/19 09:26 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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"Adults accept responsibility for their actions, or the lack thereof".

WF refuses to accept responsibility. His claims of "good-natured ribbing" etc. is nothing more than a cop out.
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#2984322 - 04/09/19 09:46 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Fred_C]
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#2984325 - 04/09/19 10:13 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Danzilla]
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Whitefang....Dude. Seriously? Look, YOUR intent has nothing to do with it. Your actions are being perceived by others as "Trolling". Your "Funny comments" are being interpreted as jabs. The correct response here is "sorry I came across that way. I'll cool it in future posts". Defending yourself and your actions is not the correct way to go here. When it has gotten so bad that we are losing members over it, it's time for a change.
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#2984330 - 04/09/19 10:41 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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emm, of one member's egregiously annoyingI just got wind of this.
Let me add myself to the chorus of voices hoping SG (the only one us who's ID is an actual gtr (kinda sorta) stays .

There has been increasing recognition, even amoungst those who once defended him, of one member's egregiously annoying behavior.
Originally Posted By: Danzilla
Do what I do - stick around, but just block viewing his responses. Communicate with the ones who matter to you, without having to read irrelevant posts.

Not bad advice but the prob w/that is one doesn't know what's being posted & replied to regarding whatever's in those unseen posts.
I suggest this: leave the posts unblocked but do not reply directly to the one you consider a pest, even if you feel compelled to address certain of their remarks.

I trust A String to monitor this correctly.

I also think this concept is worth pondering....
[& I don't mean SG ]


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#2984332 - 04/09/19 10:59 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: d / halfnote]
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Friends, I hope we can all take a deep breath, step back, & remember why we're all here in the first place.

Nobody here has the right to drive anyone else out, (except the moderators), but equally, nobody should ever feel compelled to leave the forum based on interactions with any individual. Let's all remember that text based conversation loses all the body language, inflection & facial gestures which tell humans everything they need to know about another's intentions. Misinterpretation is easy, much is either not communicated, or is communicated incorrectly, or with errors. But mainly, unlike many face to face encounters, if something rubs the wrong way, we all have the option of ignoring it. We don't have to prove any points if those points aren't somehow apparent to someone else. We can all step away from a brewing argument.

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#2984337 - 04/09/19 11:37 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Scott Fraser]
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#2984378 - 04/09/19 04:15 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: d / halfnote]
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I hope we can all play a part in making our younger members and our female members feel comfortable and welcome on the forum. We need more of them. We can learn a lot from them and we are there to help whenever they need us too!

Like d, I believe A String does a great job in monitoring these types of situations. Thanks A String! cool



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#2984380 - 04/09/19 04:25 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Larryz]
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If we’re posting surf vids...

One of my favorite bands speaks Laika & the Cosmonauts, with “Disconnected” being one of my favorites by them. Here’s a live version:
Click to reveal..


Forgot- that has a huge interview in Finnish tacked onto the end. Here’s the original album version:


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#2984411 - 04/09/19 07:48 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Here's my favorite surf tune by Dick Dale and Stevie Ray Vaughan:



cool cool


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#2984442 - 04/10/19 04:52 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Fred_C]
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Originally Posted By: Fred_C
"Adults accept responsibility for their actions, or the lack thereof".

WF refuses to accept responsibility. His claims of "good-natured ribbing" etc. is nothing more than a cop out.


See, this is what I mean by context. I never denied posting whatever I did. And the "good natured ribbing" claim is a "cop out" only if it ISN'T true.(meaning if it wasn't my actual intent). And too, don't we want honesty here? Or....

DON'T we? I never looked at this forum as some kind of "virtual" masquerade party where we all take on false identities( beyond our "screen names" ) and NOT be ourselves.

I also never thought of this, or any other forum to be a place to come for getting insecurities assuaged. That, plus I'm not the only one here rubs others the wrong way, but the one of the few who never intended to. And I'm wondering how the others are dealt with.
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#2984465 - 04/10/19 06:43 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Friends, I hope we can all take a deep breath, step back, & remember why we're all here in the first place.

Nobody here has the right to drive anyone else out, (except the moderators), but equally, nobody should ever feel compelled to leave the forum based on interactions with any individual. Let's all remember that text based conversation loses all the body language, inflection & facial gestures which tell humans everything they need to know about another's intentions. Misinterpretation is easy, much is either not communicated, or is communicated incorrectly, or with errors. But mainly, unlike many face to face encounters, if something rubs the wrong way, we all have the option of ignoring it. We don't have to prove any points if those points aren't somehow apparent to someone else. We can all step away from a brewing argument.

Back to guitars, I spent some great time yesterday with a PRS CE24. Loved everything about it, couldn't find any bad sounds within it, might could open my wallet for it.


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#2984603 - 04/10/19 11:22 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: p90jr]
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I`ll just post a quick comment-WF has a point, that this forum was pretty much total anarchy back in the day. There were really good people but also a lot of crazies. It was up to individual members to band together and stand up to the crazies. That is no longer the case. It would be a good show of adaptability and dare I say it-maturity-for every member to value everyone who is here equally.
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#2984621 - 04/11/19 04:42 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: skipclone 1]
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I've always done that Skip. But I never thought by this point, a little "playful banter" and teasing, would be taken all that too seriously by what I've always considered open minded people.

While some accuse me of intentional vitriol, most of that I ever posted was response in kind to anyone that first threw it MY way. And there's ONE person here who made it HIS habit, and I think we're all aware of who that is, but never once did I consider leaving the forum, or demand the Mods and administrators "banish" him because of it. It's like in life....

Smack me, and I'll likely smack you back. I never considered this a place for ego massage, so when it doesn't come my way, I'm not bothered. But then so... I'll try harder to be a bit more careful in my discourse. But let's speak hypothetically.....

Imagine any of you have the chance to express your view(s) on a wide variety of issues in front of a crowd of 50 people. So, AFTER your presentation, you discover that TWO, maybe THREE in that crowd of 50 were offended by what you said? Now how could you prevent something like that from happening? How could you possibly know who, and how many would respond that way? Only when they speak up and out about it will you ever know, and sometimes by then the whole thing is blown way out of proportion and becomes a bigger deal than it's warranted. Plus too, as I always stress, it's often a case of misperception. and NObody can predict who or how many will be prone to that. And too, if I misconstrue what any of you say, and I then too, find it offensive, that would more by MINE to own, and not yours. And too, let's put some of the blame on The "Bard", who, in his play HAMLET, (act1, scene3) Polonius says; "This above all, to your own self be true." wink
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#2984672 - 04/11/19 10:25 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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Um...ya that`s part of what I am saying-as an open forum, there is an ever-changing cast of characters. None of us is in a position to make a fixed set of assumptions about a totally changing group of people. If you want to have a joust with members you know are okay, have at it. Otherwise, back off. How is that difficult? seems clear to me.
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#2984680 - 04/11/19 10:53 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: skipclone 1]
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Originally Posted By: Fred_C
"Adults accept responsibility for their actions, or the lack thereof".
[The subject} refuses to accept responsibility. His claims of "good-natured ribbing" etc. is nothing more than a cop out.

Quote:
See, this is what I mean by context. I never denied posting whatever I did. And the "good natured ribbing" claim is a "cop out" only if it ISN'T true.(meaning if it wasn't my actual intent). And too, don't we want honesty here? Or....
DON'T we? I never looked at this forum as some kind of "virtual" masquerade party where we all take on false identities( beyond our "screen names" ) and NOT be ourselves.
I also never thought of this, or any other forum to be a place to come for getting insecurities assuaged. That, plus I'm not the only one here rubs others the wrong way, but the one of the few who never intended to. And I'm wondering how the others are dealt with.

All followed by more similar attempts at justification & shifting the discussion to all sorts of hypotheticals, etc.... rolleyes

Not to keep the blather going but I think it's apparent at least one person here just doesn't get it...& prolly never will.
Denial & self-justification are not subs for self-recognition
&/ or the seemingly too difficult act of just saying "Sorry"
or "I didn't mean anything bad"
or "I should be more thoughtful".
Then again why would one when they can keep suggesting that,
despite all the evidence, any offended parties have only themselves to blame.

This isn't abt being too sensitive but abt being not sensitive enough, except when oneself is annoyed, which, to me is the behavior that needs be addressed & modified.
This is not a new situation w/the person involved.
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BTW, as far as surf vids
Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
If we’re posting surf vids...


I posted that Beck clip
[1]as a sign of solidarity w/ a friend
&
[2] per the original intention of the song "Surf's Up"
as a message of cultural shift & awareness thereto,
not as a distraction from the unfortunate point here.
Is that point's discussion done ?
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#2984834 - 04/12/19 12:29 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: d / halfnote]
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I got into a fist fight with my neighbor over stupid s**t. I won the battle, but on the way to winning, the other guy fell off of my front steps and tore the railing off on his way down. He was a retired California Highway Patrol officer, and his wife was a retired sheriff in Clear Lake California. So they called the cops on me. Being a fan of court TV, and living in Arizona (the wild west) I told the police that he had me backed up against my front door, and was hammering his finger on my chest. (Bad move against a Wing Chun Kung Fu practitioner) It did not turn out well for that guy.

Anyways the local cops did not press charges against me. However It cost me $275 to have a new railing installed. Bottom line is; being polite to folks costs me not one single red cent, It is also disarming to the folks who want conflict. Since then I have been able to respond to aggression with a polite attitude, not acquiescence, I stand firm but I am reasonable. And I have learned martial arts skills that can result in fatalities or disablement in my opponent so I am never meek, just polite.... I never want to hurt anyone, but I will in self defense for me the house and the wifey if pressed to do so.

The moral of this story is; politeness gets you a lot farther than aggressive behavior does and with a lot stress.
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#2985323 - 04/15/19 06:52 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: A String]
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I somehow don't see the intent to sting or be otherwise hurtful in most of the posts in question. We had far more difficult personalities to contend with a few years back, and I for one, would hate to see us resort to banning anyone, especially as these conflicts are mild compared to some fires we had to put out. This forum is on a far more even keel than it was a dozen or so years back, and nobody presently here is nearly as disruptive as more than a few idiots of that era. Sometimes texting is easily misinterpreted in terms of intent. We gotta learn to let some things ride. They're just words, after all.


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#2985337 - 04/15/19 08:45 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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I got into a fist fight with my neighbor over stupid s**t. I won the battle, but on the way to winning, the other guy fell off of my front steps and tore the railing off on his way down. He was a retired California Highway Patrol officer, and his wife was a retired sheriff in Clear Lake California. So they called the cops on me. Being a fan of court TV, and living in Arizona (the wild west) I told the police that he had me backed up against my front door, and was hammering his finger on my chest. (Bad move against a Wing Chun Kung Fu practitioner) It did not turn out well for that guy.

Anyways the local cops did not press charges against me. However It cost me $275 to have a new railing installed. Bottom line is; being polite to folks costs me not one single red cent, It is also disarming to the folks who want conflict. Since then I have been able to respond to aggression with a polite attitude, not acquiescence, I stand firm but I am reasonable. And I have learned martial arts skills that can result in fatalities or disablement in my opponent so I am never meek, just polite.... I never want to hurt anyone, but I will in self defense for me the house and the wifey if pressed to do so.

The moral of this story is; politeness gets you a lot farther than aggressive behavior does and with a lot stress.


Arizona? ... Augustine Fong's lineage?


Edited by CEB (04/15/19 08:46 PM)
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#2985346 - 04/15/19 09:29 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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Originally Posted By: desertbluesman
I got into a fist fight with my neighbor over stupid s**t. I won the battle, but on the way to winning, the other guy fell off of my front steps and tore the railing off on his way down. He was a retired California Highway Patrol officer, and his wife was a retired sheriff in Clear Lake California. So they called the cops on me. Being a fan of court TV, and living in Arizona (the wild west) I told the police that he had me backed up against my front door, and was hammering his finger on my chest. (Bad move against a Wing Chun Kung Fu practitioner) It did not turn out well for that guy.

Anyways the local cops did not press charges against me. However It cost me $275 to have a new railing installed. Bottom line is; being polite to folks costs me not one single red cent, It is also disarming to the folks who want conflict. Since then I have been able to respond to aggression with a polite attitude, not acquiescence, I stand firm but I am reasonable. And I have learned martial arts skills that can result in fatalities or disablement in my opponent so I am never meek, just polite.... I never want to hurt anyone, but I will in self defense for me the house and the wifey if pressed to do so.

The moral of this story is; politeness gets you a lot farther than aggressive behavior does and with a lot stress.


I’m reminded of 2 video clips.

In one, a pimp or drug dealer thought he’d teach a lesson to the owner of a local dojo. It was a 1 punch fight.

The other, a UK street punk was threatening a man who was standing stoically on his own porch, legs shoulder wide, one hand clasping the wrist of the other at waist high. When the punk lunged, the man threw a single punch. As the punk’s cadre dragged their buddy away, his GF (maybe) respectfully closed the gate to the yard on their way out.

Me? I have no training, so I try to stay out of fights. But if not given the option to avoid a conflict, I’m a proverbial cornered rat.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (04/15/19 09:31 PM)
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#2985354 - 04/15/19 10:40 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I saw the first one-if memory serves, that was an elbow strike that knocked sense into-and consciousness out of-Mr. dealer guy.
One of my best mates here is a longtime Wing Chun guy-like myself, he has studied multiple styles. I have trained with both him and his teacher. We sometimes get into a friendly but pointed discussion about how to approach situations where people aren`t taking a hint. My friend makes the point that, it all starts from empty hands. I agree, in theory. A lot of my training involves weapons. He will inevitably bring up the legal issues. I will then bring up the point, that bad guys worry a lot less about that than he does. It`s weird-if we were talking about guns, I would most likely be on the opposite side. But if you are outgunned and outmanned-excuse the archaic terms-you need an equalizer. I don`t like the idea of jail-but I like it better than being dead. I have said before, that if things come down to fighting, your first two lines of defense have already failed. #1 is, don`t be there. #2 is, discuss the issues.


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#2985364 - 04/15/19 11:38 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: skipclone 1]
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I carry no real weapons. I have folding pocket knives and large, metal-cased flashlights, that’s it.

I’d be more likely to injure MYSELF with anything serious.
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#2985366 - 04/16/19 01:27 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Well-this is starting to sound like one of our patented thread hijackings laugh but a weapon can also be disarmed, then used against you. Then you need a backup-it never ends. But the odds of running into someone that good, who is also a total dick, are small. It happens mostly in movies. Facing an armed opponent is enough to end a lot of trouble.


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#2985416 - 04/16/19 08:46 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: skipclone 1]
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Wing Chun is an armed style. Founded by a woman. A woman is at a disadvantage boxing against men. I studied under a couple of different lines and never truly understood chain punching until an elder Chinese brother in New York told me his belief that Wing Chun chain punching was a precursor for the knives. Now a woman with a pair of knives is a terrifying thing. Female human chain saw. shocked Not sure if Mr Ong is 100% correct but it sure made a lot of sense to me when I thought about it.


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#2985481 - 04/16/19 02:01 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Wing Chun is an armed style. Founded by a woman. A woman is at a disadvantage boxing against men.


I studied under William Chueng Yip Mans heir. There are many styles called Wing Chun. Here is the truth as I learned it from Si Gong Chueng. I studied under World Wing Chun, (Traditional Style) (Not the modified version which is also taught) and it began in the Sil Lim Temple many hundreds of years ago. When the Hans were under the rule of the Manchus. The Hans were probably 85% of the Chinese people at the time and the Manchus were probably only 15%.

Anyways the monks of the Sil Lim Temple gathered together the grand masters of the 5 traditional styles and formulated the Wing Chun style using the bests techniques of the 5 traditional Kung Fu Styles. A nun named Nig Mui was out shopping in the local town when the Manchus who had gotten wind of the new style forming went and wiped out every single person in the Sil Lim Temple. She escaped into other places.

Later on when things cooled down she entered into a martial arts contest and with her Wing Chun she defeated all the men except in the finals. She lost to a guy who she had the hots for. Later on they married and she went to her husband and said; now that we are married I want to teach you my style (not yet named). He told her why would I want to learn your style? She replied I let you win that's why at which time he offered her outside to do a new contest which she handily won.

Later on after she had a daughter that she named her Ylim Wing Chun transliterated into English that means hope for the future Ylim Wing Chun was the first Grand Master of the traditional style which is currently headed by William Chueng.

While Nig Mui was teaching her style to her husband outside the house, there was a man who lived next door and he did not get the full system because some if it is secret and only taught in secret. The man who was eves dropping over the back yard fence started the modifies style.

The weapons that are taught is the "bo" a long pole, and the short swords (I have a set not a practice set which is dull, mine are sharpened on the point and the edges. I never trained on the Bo nor the swords, I was only interested in the hand to hand techniques and never reached Sifu status.

Traditional Wing Chun is a weapon of war. That was its purpose, that was the intent of its creation.

If I need a weapon I will use firearms. I can legally concealed carry in my home state with only my Drivers license or State ID.

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#2985523 - 04/16/19 06:34 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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Interesting, I knew some of this but that fills in some things I did not know. My friend`s Wing Chun is from Master Lo Man Kam in Taipei, he was a legend even in the 80s when I lived there. He is a nephew of Yip Man and still teaching these days.
The bo you refer to (I think it would be gun or kon in Chinese) is very long, maybe 12 shaku. That is double the length of the Okinawan bo, which I currently study. The short swords are commonly called butterfly knives, yes? Those weapons are there but as far as I know they are not a big focus in most schools. One of the main things that drew me to Philippino martial arts is the practicality. Knife attacks are a very modern problem. Actually , my foundation in Shaolin is almost exactly opposite of Wing Chun, I studied Northern long boxing. Between that and Taekwondo, I felt that I needed more close range skills.
Anyway Japan doesn`t do firearms. Even the bad guys rarely shoot anyone.


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#2985916 - 04/19/19 04:04 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
Wing Chun is an armed style. Founded by a woman. A woman is at a disadvantage boxing against men. I studied under a couple of different lines and never truly understood chain punching until an elder Chinese brother in New York told me his belief that Wing Chun chain punching was a precursor for the knives. Now a woman with a pair of knives is a terrifying thing. Female human chain saw. shocked Not sure if Mr Ong is 100% correct but it sure made a lot of sense to me when I thought about it.


I don't know much about it, but whenever I DO hear someone talk a bit about it, I can't help but think of......
laugh


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#2986006 - 04/19/19 01:50 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: skipclone 1]
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The short swords are commonly called butterfly knives, yes?


Correct, I have a pair of the real ones, and if someone breaks into my house, and I can't get my gun, the Butterfly swords come out, and since they have a sharp edge and point, any way that I hit the intruder, is gonna disable that intruder, and I won't stop chopping until the intruder is gone. I never really want to hurt anyone at all, but if push comes to shove, I will do what is necessary to protect the wifey and house.
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#2986078 - 04/20/19 06:00 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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And too..... Think of the BARBECUE y'all can have! sick taz

Or at least the MONEY you can save on DOG FOOD! laugh thu
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#2986166 - 04/20/19 07:08 PM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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And too..... Think of the BARBECUE y'all can have! sick taz

Or at least the MONEY you can save on DOG FOOD! laugh thu
Whitefang


Long pig for the doggie Fangster? Not a bad idea...... Put the criminal creeps remains to be something useful......

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#2986184 - 04/21/19 04:24 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: desertbluesman]
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Yep.

And once eaten, those creeps will, in 'bout 12 hours, turn back into their original form! thu
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#2986450 - 04/23/19 10:37 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: whitefang]
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A poem I wrote for a guitarist friend who works as a butcher:

I've got to make a living and must face the facts
It's either my meat cleaver or my axe....

So he was a DUAL THREAT as they say; luckily he's not a violent person, at least in my experience. Of course I never tried to steal any of his GUITARS.....

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#2986456 - 04/23/19 10:52 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
A poem I wrote for a guitarist friend who works as a butcher:

I've got to make a living and must face the facts
It's either my meat cleaver or my axe....

So he was a DUAL THREAT as they say; luckily he's not a violent person, at least in my experience. Of course I never tried to steal any of his GUITARS.....


How's his chops?

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#2986532 - Yesterday at 01:20 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
A poem I wrote for a guitarist friend who works as a butcher:

I've got to make a living and must face the facts
It's either my meat cleaver or my axe....

So he was a DUAL THREAT as they say; luckily he's not a violent person, at least in my experience. Of course I never tried to steal any of his GUITARS.....


How's his chops?

rimshot rawk grin


Beefy!
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#2986535 - Yesterday at 03:43 AM Re: Eliminating all the stress in my life. [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
A poem I wrote for a guitarist friend who works as a butcher:

I've got to make a living and must face the facts
It's either my meat cleaver or my axe....

So he was a DUAL THREAT as they say; luckily he's not a violent person, at least in my experience. Of course I never tried to steal any of his GUITARS.....


How's his chops?

rimshot rawk grin


Beefy!


laugh (can't resist!)

Is he the guy that had that delivery truck with the sign on the side that read:

"You can lick our chops, but you can't BEAT OUR MEAT!"? w00t
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