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Nord Grand with Kawai Action #2982946 04/02/19 05:03 AM
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wow, A Nord with a decent action:)

EDIT: 20kg's. A bit heavier than I would like, but not too bad

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Excellent move by nord!
I like fatar actions, but i was never like the way they set the keybeds to their machines...
I wish they did a good job with kawai keybed, which is the best in indystrty IMHO...

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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: RudyS] #2982957 04/02/19 05:49 AM
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I think 20kg is great for an action like this...


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Think the space on top would be big enough for a Stage Conpact...?


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Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
Think the space on top would be big enough for a Stage Conpact...?


I don't think so. The flat surface is less than half of the depth (378 mm), which makes it about 180mm or so. The compact is about 300mm deep, so a substantial part wouldn't be supported.

Of course you can maybe put an (*ahem*) X-stand level with the flat surface to provide some extra support.


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Heh - blows my mind Kawai would do this.
Maybe as part of the deal Nord has to promise the digital piano would be red. wink

Maybe they also have data that shows the VPC-1 did not cut into their console sales?


Maybe Kawai will buy Nord.


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I had to double-check that it wasn't still April 1.

Interesting move for both companies. I'm guessing it's based on Kawai's RH III action (MP7SE, ES8).

I really like the semi-vertical control panel and the flat top. To me, ergonomically, this might be the best portable piano available.


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Price would be the deal breaker. Let's wait and see.

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of course it will be expensive.


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
of course it will be expensive.


Most certainly. Bu it would also be one of the best piano's out there (IMHO).


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NP4 is 2500 euros, I guess this will be 3000 at the very least. Lots of red paint to pay for. wink

Bigger and heavier than any Nord stage piano to date, but still very portable when you look at the high-end competition: Montage, Kronos, SV1, Grandstage, Crumar Seven, Forte, MP7/11, RD2000, FP90 etc are all as heavy or heavier (often MUCH heavier) than this Nord Grand.

And the large empty flat top is awesome and unique in the current panorama of portable stage pianos: just imagine a Minimoog sitting on top of it, and you're straight back to the 70's!

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NORD GRAND
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128.6cm (50.7"), 16.8cm (6.6"), 38.7cm (15.2")
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20.9kg (46.07lbs)

KAWAI MP7SE
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136.5cm (53 5/8"),17.5cm (6 3/4"), 34cm (13 1/3")
WEIGHT
22.5kg (49.6lbs)


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Originally Posted By: Spider76
Bigger and heavier than any Nord stage piano to date, but still very portable when you look at the high-end competition: Montage, Kronos, SV1, Grandstage, Crumar Seven, Forte, MP7/11, RD2000, FP90 etc are all as heavy or heavier (often MUCH heavier) than this Nord Grand.

A Yamaha CP88 is lighter and smaller, though...! wave (and most probably cheaper as well)


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I think Nord will do well here. More of the vintage aesthetic, better action, etc. If I were in the market for a digital piano for home use, this would be a serious contender.

Compared to my NP4 pretty much the same specs, except for the Kawaii action. Since I already am quite comfortable with the NP4 action, no big deal.

I do like the visual appeal, though. As I am playing many small acoustic gigs, I think people would react positively to it, much the way they react to a piano shell.


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^^^
as long as the Mrs. doesn't mind how the red conflicts with the rest of the furniture in the room. Ach! those speakers! wink

I like the tilt angle of the control panel. Better than flat and nowhere near banging your knuckles on a knob. But I can't imagine wanting to carry this around. The weight is within reason, but the shape is bulky.



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Originally Posted By: Mr T, Sweden

A Yamaha CP88 is lighter and smaller, though...! wave (and most probably cheaper as well)


Most probably ANYTHING will be cheaper!
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But yes, the CP88 is currently the only serious offering (apart from Clavia's own products) which combines top-end sounds and action with portability. I fondly hate the looks of the new CPs, though.
Less subjectively, the CP88 is lighter but not so much, and it lacks the flat top which may be a strong selling point for somebody.

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Spec-wise, this Grand has everything I would want in a modern DP (digital piano). I still *hate* the color.

I played the CP88 this past weekend. The APs and EPs are fine. IMO, Yamaha made a huge mistake in offering less "other" sounds.

Nord just dropped a bomb in the DP game. cool


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CP88 advantages: 4-zone MIDI controller function, pitch and mod controls, more split/layer flexibility, more instant patch recall buttons.

Nord advantages: wider range of different pianos, more complete clav emulation, much larger selection of non-piano sounds, ability to load your own samples, triple pedal.

Subjective: which action, sound, ergonomics, aesthetics you prefer


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As for the controversial red, the top and sides are flat with a not too complex shape, it should be very easy to cover them with vinyl contact paper in the preferred color and texture. I did this to my SK2 which is now a beautiful fake walnut, at the price of less than 10 euros

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Impressive ! Too bad it's not the MP11 action but then it wouldn't weigh in at 46 lbs. of course.

I'd be giving up 8 lbs. on the CP4 and 6 on the NP4, plus a couple inches in the depth. Ah just go the gym and add a few lbs. with the weights. laugh

I'll be curious to play this. Didn't care much for the NP4's action at NAMM, actually preferred the new Casios to it. Yeah I'll bet at least $3500, if not more for this. And yep, that's a lot of red ! Still kudos for knowing their weak link and trying to improve on it. thu

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My wife saw me looking at the Nord Grand promo video this morning and she said "That's a great sounding digital piano... based on how expensive the Nord Piano is, I bet it costs $5000."

We'll see, but boy has she learned a few things about keyboards since she's been with me. roll


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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Impressive ! Too bad it's not the MP11 action but then it wouldn't weigh in at 46 lbs. of course.

I'd be giving up 8 lbs. on the CP4 and 6 on the NP4, plus a couple inches in the depth. Ah just go the gym and add a few lbs. with the weights. laugh

I'll be curious to play this. Didn't care much for the NP4's action at NAMM, actually preferred the new Casios to it. Yeah I'll bet at least $3500, if not more for this. And yep, that's a lot of red ! Still kudos for knowing their weak link and trying to improve on it. thu


Ah Dave, You are willing to move over to the dark/red side again.....;p


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Probably not, the CP4 does everything I need it to do for live. The P-515 is only one I have in my sights and that's for home because of the speakers.

Still, again, impressive ! I could see the Sherman Oaks or Pasadena GC carrying something like this , so I'd certainly be curious to play it.

You know if it were the MP11 action, or even the lesser VPC-1, I'd actually consider it for home, despite not having speakers. I would definitely get a custom black paint job on it though.

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Actually, we don't really know which Kawai RH action is inside the NG. Based on size and weight yes, the MP7 is the closest match. But I suppose we'll know more in the near future

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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I had to double-check that it wasn't still April 1.

Interesting move for both companies. I'm guessing it's based on Kawai's RH III action (MP7SE, ES8).

I really like the semi-vertical control panel and the flat top. To me, ergonomically, this might be the best portable piano available.


Kawai has already been supplying keyboards for the Ravenscroft 275 digital piano. It would be nice if the Ravenscroft digital was a self contained instrument.

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I had to double-check that it wasn't still April 1.

Interesting move for both companies. I'm guessing it's based on Kawai's RH III action (MP7SE, ES8).

I really like the semi-vertical control panel and the flat top. To me, ergonomically, this might be the best portable piano available.


Kawai has already been supplying keyboards for the Ravenscroft 275 digital piano. It would be nice if the Ravenscroft digital was a self contained instrument.


That is because the Ravenscroft thing is a modified VPC-1, no? Selling the action to a competitor to use in their DP is a whole different ball game, imho. But I don't think generally Kawai's typical home digital piano customers would go for a Nord Grand Piano. Aesthetically and price wise.


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Originally Posted By: Radagast

Kawai has already been supplying keyboards for the Ravenscroft 275 digital piano. It would be nice if the Ravenscroft digital was a self contained instrument.


IIRC from a conversation I had with the Ravenscroft guy at NAMM last year (or the year before?), that was really just them buying, modifying and reselling VPC's.


About the NG, the Fatar in my old NP88 didn't bother me that much, my issue was more with amplification. But if the NG's velocity mapping mellows out the sound it may just help with that, too.

More than the weight (which is not too bad, IMO), the bulk concerns me. It looks unwieldy.

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Looks from these pics like it's going to have an optional console like stand and pedals. Lack of internal speakers may have been part of the deal with supplying the action for this model. Those mounts and nord speakers of course add to cost and would look cooky in most family rooms. This thing is for the man's cave or basement studio. wink


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It says 3.687 Euros. In Thomann Europe Nord Stage 3 88 is 3.500 Euros, so it's about 200 Euros more expensive than Stage 3-88.

At the same time Stage 3-88 is $4.500 in the U.S so my guess for Nord Grand MSRP in the U.S: $4.700.



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That's probably (IF it's a true price and not just a a placeholder) MSRP, which is usually about 25% higher than actual selling price.

The Stage 3 has a MSRP (according to Thomann) of over 4600 euros, but it's sold at 3500. MSRP of the NP4 is 3200Ä, with a selling price of 2500.

If that ratio is valid, those 3700 euros for the NG would translate in a street price around 2900Ä, 400 more than the NP4. High for sure, but not forbidding. Finger cross...given that this board largely overlaps with the lower priced NP4, its success will greatly depend on finding the proper price point.

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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
But I can't imagine wanting to carry this around. The weight is within reason, but the shape is bulky

To me it just looks like a "square" version of the SV-1 88 from a haulage point of view. Dimensions and weight certainly not a million miles apart.

Therefore not the easiest thing to manipulate but doable.

Looks a bit like someone's red-headed step sister but beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and I'm yet to trip over an audience member who either blown away or disgusted by how a keyboard looks. And I play a real ugly keyboard. In public no less.

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Ha! I knew something was up. I bought a used MP8 from Nord a few years ago..! I love the Kawai actions, theyíre the best out there imho but it was just too heavy... if this is 20 kgs itíll really be something..!

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We won't know for sure until someone tries it, but it looks to me like you could set another keyboard on top. It will overhang, but would probably still be balanced and playable. To me that's a very attractive feature, if it works.


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Originally Posted By: CowboyNQ
To me it just looks like a "square" version of the SV-1 88 from a haulage point of view. Dimensions and weight certainly not a million miles apart.

Therefore not the easiest thing to manipulate but doable.

Probably easier without all the SV1's awkward-to-grip rounded edges, though.


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It reminds me a little bit of a Synclavier.

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Wait....this wasn't an April Fools joke???


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Reminds me of the GEM Promega 3.



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I was thinking the Kawai MP-9000.



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I see the resemblance. Itís uncanny! smile


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interesting move, surprised not to see the wooden keys as found on the high-end kawais, that would have really set this apart.

btw, does it really matter if keys are made of wood, when you interact with the plastic surface? what's the benefit apart from
any perceived satisfaction from knowing it's there?


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Originally Posted By: konaboy
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btw, does it really matter if keys are made of wood, when you interact with the plastic surface? what's the benefit apart from
any perceived satisfaction from knowing it's there?


Weighting might feel more natural. The vibrating from when you hit the bottom of the keybed is different with plastic keys vs wood in my experience.


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Also possible wood is more forgiving to the players joints and tendons but how significantly...


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Wood is solid, and the moving mass will just feel different. Also, I've never seen a plastic key that was solid on the bottom where it contacts the felt. kanker says he's very sensitive to this. Think about it. The plastic keys have two sides digging into the felt when it bottoms, whereas wood has the entire width of the key hitting the felt.

IOW, if plastic keys worked as well as wood, real pianos would have been using them by now.

That's not to say there aren't some really good feeling plastic keys. but even the top end Casio Grand Hybrid uses wooden keys from Bechstein.


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Impressive ! Too bad it's not the MP11 action but then it wouldn't weigh in at 46 lbs. of course.


I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.

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A very interesting blend of brands/instruments... But Iíll still take my MP11. Lucky for me I donít gig.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Dave Bryce] #2983344 04/03/19 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce


I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.dB


I checked a friendīs MP11 twice.
The action feels great, but I also recognized itīs too heavy for me when playing for any length of time.
Itīs heavier than the Rhodes MK80 action, which is the heaviest I still own and in opposite to the MK80, the keys bounced when being released and returned to their initial position which I disliked.
But thatīs only me.

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Curious to see how'd you feel when comparing RM3II, GF-C, GF/GFII.
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce


I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.


I checked a friendīs MP11 twice.
The action feels great, but I also recognized itīs too heavy for me when playing for any length of time.
Itīs heavier than the Rhodes MK80 action, which is the heaviest I still own and in opposite to the MK80, the keys bounced when being released and returned to their initial position which I disliked.
But thatīs only me.

I was not clear - sorry. idk

My "man, was it heavy" quote was referring to the physical weight of the MP11, not the action. I adore piano action like that. love

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Beautiful! I love Kawai's action on acoustic pianos. They're heavier than most Yamaha's I've played. I played their stage pianos at NAMM, but to me it wasn't anything special...say compared to RH3.

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If this is the MP7 action, it is better than the Fatar actions. The MP11, though.... as others have noted, is a very nice action. Best I've played that isn't an acoustic piano. Very satisfying.

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My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90% as good at 50-60% of the overall weight. If you're gigging, that's kind of an easy choice. And of course there's a subjective element, so someone like Dave Ferris might actually prefer the Yamaha over the Kawai.


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Originally Posted By: Adan
My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90%...


May I ask if you have actually played an MP11?

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I love it.. but I would never spend that sort of bread on anything but a new Baby Grand for home now ..


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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: Adan
My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90%...


May I ask if you have actually played an MP11?

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I've played the MP11, and all the Yamahas I named, and my opinion is what I stated. Your opinion may be different.

Some years ago I owned an MP9000. I loved playing so much I even tried gigging with it. That was sheer folly. I was younger and stronger then and, in contrast to Bob Dylan's progress through life, I'm not younger than that now. Now my cutoff for a gigging keyboard is about 45 lbs.


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I see the resemblance. Itís uncanny! smile

no, THIS is uncanny ....



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Heís not heavy, heís uncanny!


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Now they have me wondering,
Will there ever be a grand-stage?

Seems many people love the formfactor for an 88 key, withcontrolls on the front, espescially when used as a lower key.. or just as a controller for a DAW...

I personally think the action might be a GF-C from the description..

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Looks sexy. The price will definitely bite.


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First thought: Too heavy for me to gig with. Anything north of 18kg these days, I just won't deal with. My MODX8 does 80% of what I need these days at 13kg and for anything more serious pianistically, I still have the CP4.

Second thought: This could be an attractive choice for permanent installation into a home studio if you couldn't afford or have room for a decent piano.

Third thought: But if it wasn't going anywhere, you could get a better action and save a whole bunch of money by just buying an MP11SE.


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Hmmm...this is cool!

Even more cool would be if they could offer a version with the MP11 keybed as well smile


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Originally Posted By: Aidan
First thought: Too heavy for me to gig with. Anything north of 18kg these days, I just won't deal with. My MODX8 does 80% of what I need these days at 13kg and for anything more serious pianistically, I still have the CP4.

Second thought: This could be an attractive choice for permanent installation into a home studio if you couldn't afford or have room for a decent piano.

Third thought: But if it wasn't going anywhere, you could get a better action and save a whole bunch of money by just buying an MP11SE.


Which is why Kawai didnít agree to share the GF action most likely.


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46 lbs is the heaviest keyboard Nord has ever made, yet it will be considered portable by lots of people. If Aiden spoke in terms of lbs instead of kilograms (as an aside, how ironic that the brits would burden us with the pound system only to abandon us at this late date), I would know exactly where his cutoff is. Mine is around 40 lbs.

So I definitely see Aiden's logic. If I'm going to get a 40+ lbs keyboard that I won't gig with, it might as well be the MP11SE.

But I think we'll be in the minority.


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Hi Adan, sorry about that. Nearly all weights in store descriptions etc are in kg over here now so I've sort of got used to it. But yes, around 40lb is my limit!


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Third thought: But if it wasn't going anywhere, you could get a better action and save a whole bunch of money by just buying an MP11SE.

Exactly!
...and it makes even less sense to pay $4,000 for a Nord Grand, when you know that you can have a Kawai MP7SE for less than half the price, about $1,500...


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It depends if you wanna pay that extra $1500 for all the Nord piano doenload options


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If youíre playing at home VPC-1 or an MP11 or a Kawai digital console with a laptop and tons of AU/VSTs that dwarf the Nord library starting with Keyscape and maybe Garritan CFX.

I also doubt this instrument if going to be under $4999.99 in the US. I might be wrong on that but thatís my guess.


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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
If youíre playing at home VPC-1 or an MP11 or a Kawai digital console with a laptop and tons of AU/VSTs that dwarf the Nord library starting with Keyscape and maybe Garritan CFX.


yea, true, but if you donít gainstage them right, they will sound like azz


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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
Now they have me wondering,
Will there ever be a grand-stage?

Seems many people love the formfactor for an 88 key, withcontrolls on the front, espescially when used as a lower key.. or just as a controller for a DAW...

Stage has so many more controls, I don't think you could go with that look/form factor. Or at least the control surface would have to extend quite a bit higher.

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and it makes even less sense to pay $4,000 for a Nord Grand, when you know that you can have a Kawai MP7SE for less than half the price, about $1,500...

Though you generally pay a premium for the models that emphasize single function direct controls over multi-function controls and menu navigation. Kawai MP11SE leans toward the former, MP7SE leans toward the latter. And I think that's definitely part of the Nord appeal. Similarly, the Yamaha that I think would have the most similar appeal would be the CP88. Something the Nord has over a CP88 or MP11SE is diversity... it has the widest range of different piano sample sets, and the widest range of non-piano sounds.


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If youíre playing at home VPC-1 or an MP11 or a Kawai digital console with a laptop and tons of AU/VSTs that dwarf the Nord library starting with Keyscape and maybe Garritan CFX.


yea, true, but if you donít gainstage them right, they will sound like azz


Yeah but thatís true for all PC based rigs and even user created patches on high end instruments and sadly even factory patches on cheaper models.


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Something the Nord has over a CP88 or MP11SE is diversity... it has the widest range of different piano sample sets, and the widest range of non-piano sounds.


I love that about Nords DP sounds . . .you can really change up the character of the AP sounds... Kurzweil's also.. Roland, Korg, Yamaha there are different pianos in there but not near as many nor as diverse . .

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Something the Nord has over a CP88 or MP11SE is diversity... it has the widest range of different piano sample sets, and the widest range of non-piano sounds.


Well, the diversity on the Kawais (both mp7 as well as mp11) comes from the fact that they are very very versatile master controllers (much more then the cp88)

I know its not everyoneís cup of Tea, but for me the future is in combining hardware with software sounds on my macbook and ipad. And thats where the Nord stage is far from diverse...

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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
Well, the diversity on the Kawais (both mp7 as well as mp11) comes from the fact that they are very very versatile master controllers (much more then the cp88)

MP7, MP11, and CP88 are all four-zone MIDI controllers. MP11 beats CP88 by having four zone on/off buttons and four definable knobs; MP7 beats MP11 by having those controls plus four additional zone sliders.

Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
I know its not everyoneís cup of Tea, but for me the future is in combining hardware with software sounds on my macbook and ipad. And thats where the Nord stage is far from diverse...

Nord Stage is decently functional as a two-zone MIDI controller (that's what the two panels of EXT functions are for). But this Nord Grand does seem to lag there, I've seen no indication of any specific MIDI controller functionality. The addition of even just a single set of EXT controls would have been a nice enhancement.


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46 lbs is the heaviest keyboard Nord has ever made, yet it will be considered portable by lots of people. ... I ... know exactly where [Aidan's] cutoff is. Mine is around 40 lbs.


At around 40 lbs for beings semi-portable, it seems the best actions for acoustic piano are the Yamaha actions. I'm really hoping the CP88 is an improvement over the CP4 in terms of sound and action, and not just user interface. 7 pounds more for the RD-2000 is an interesting comparison to the CP88...

Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky

I know its not everyoneís cup of Tea, but for me the future is in combining hardware with software sounds on my macbook and ipad. And thats where the Nord stage is far from diverse...


I agree, and I think it's crazy that any new keyboards come out without a built-in audio interface for this reason. The CP88 with a directly-connected iPad covers a lot of sonic territory, with the iPad able to make up for the lack of sound diversity in the CP88's sub section.

A CP88, Mojo 61, and iPad could cover nearly everything and offer two very good and distinct actions.

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Originally Posted By: Adan
46 lbs is the heaviest keyboard Nord has ever made, yet it will be considered portable by lots of people. ... I ... know exactly where [Aidan's] cutoff is. Mine is around 40 lbs.


At around 40 lbs for beings semi-portable, it seems the best actions for acoustic piano are the Yamaha actions. I'm really hoping the CP88 is an improvement over the CP4 in terms of sound and action, and not just user interface. 7 pounds more for the RD-2000 is an interesting comparison to the CP88...

Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky

I know its not everyoneís cup of Tea, but for me the future is in combining hardware with software sounds on my macbook and ipad. And thats where the Nord stage is far from diverse...


I agree, and I think it's crazy that any new keyboards come out without a built-in audio interface for this reason. The CP88 with a directly-connected iPad covers a lot of sonic territory, with the iPad able to make up for the lack of sound diversity in the CP88's sub section.

A CP88, Mojo 61, and iPad could cover nearly everything and offer two very good and distinct actions.


Donít forget, its not only about weight, but also length....
i had an RD 2000 and sent it back.
That damned extra block at the end for the pitch/mod lever makes the Roland REALLY ungainly and hard to move with 1person.
The CP88, on the other hand, feels LESS than 40 lbs.
I picked it up off the stand and carried it a bit.
Well balanced and would be even nicer in a wheeled soft case with strategically placed handles.
Also, the pitch and mod levers are REALLY ergonomic and smooth.
I really liked it on the second try!


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I agree that if this is going to be used just for home, go with the superior MP11SE action at a cheaper price. Or the VPC-1 with whatever vst you choose.

Unless you're a hardcore Nord Piano fan where the sound and the diversity trumps the action.

But again, I would be happy with just the P-515 for the little I would use a DP at home.

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Donít forget, its not only about weight, but also length....
i had an RD 2000 and sent it back.
That damned extra block at the end for the pitch/mod lever makes the Roland REALLY ungainly and hard to move with 1person.
The CP88, on the other hand, feels LESS than 40 lbs.
I picked it up off the stand and carried it a bit.
Well balanced and would be even nicer in a wheeled soft case with strategically placed handles.
Also, the pitch and mod levers are REALLY ergonomic and smooth.
I really liked it on the second try!


I completely agree. If the CP88 is actually a step up from the CP4 in terms of action and sound quality, the compactness and 7 lbs less mass are significant advantages over the RD-2000. Maybe it could actually be moved around in a city in its wheeled case? I really wish Yamaha had added drawbars and Nord-like flexibility in sound library management.

I also think the built-in audio interface and mod sticks are significant advantages over the Nord Piano 4.

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Donít forget, its not only about weight, but also length....
i had an RD 2000 and sent it back.
That damned extra block at the end for the pitch/mod lever makes the Roland REALLY ungainly and hard to move with 1person.
The CP88, on the other hand, feels LESS than 40 lbs.
I picked it up off the stand and carried it a bit.
Well balanced and would be even nicer in a wheeled soft case with strategically placed handles.
Also, the pitch and mod levers are REALLY ergonomic and smooth.
I really liked it on the second try!


I completely agree. If the CP88 is actually a step up from the CP4 in terms of action and sound quality, the compactness and 7 lbs less mass are significant advantages over the RD-2000. Maybe it could actually be moved around in a city in its wheeled case? I really wish Yamaha had added drawbars and Nord-like flexibility in sound library management.

I also think the built-in audio interface and mod sticks are significant advantages over the Nord Piano 4.


I think the best head to head is with Nord Piano 4, rather than Stage or Electro.
One thing you always have to keep in mind in Yamaha.....well....sucks.....as far as clonewheels.....
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I love it.. but I would never spend that sort of bread on anything but a new Baby Grand for home now ..


Good point. Although you're still a ways off from getting anything that I would consider good and would want to keep for a long time -that is if the Nord is $4-5K. Still it's a good chunk of dough to put towards something like a Yamaha C2 or an older C3.

You're closer if you went with the Avantgrand N2 or N1X. Or the Kawai Novus hybrid.

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I love it.. but I would never spend that sort of bread on anything but a new Baby Grand for home now ..


Good point. Although you're still a ways off from getting anything that I would consider good and would want to keep for a long time -that is if the Nord is $4-5K. Still it's a good chunk of dough to put towards something like a Yamaha C2 or an older C3.

You're closer if you went with the Avantgrand N2 or N1X. Or the Kawai Novus hybrid.


I'd go with an acoustic Dave, to be honest I haven't tried N2, N1X, Novus but my instincts tell me I think I would be happier with a C2/3 a bit more or any half way decent acoustic grand. Not ready to buy a Steinway any time soon, though I would love to!

Now you gave me the bug to check out those digital's.

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The N3/3x is awesome for a digital piano.
Yes of course still not a C3 or D, but itís the best action youíre going to find on a digital and an extensive monitoring system for the sample library. I havenít played the Kawai Novus yet. Although I am eager to.





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2,5 GB is just not right.
So many sounds to load and so little space in this day and age.
Definitely not cricket.

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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
The N3/3x is awesome for a digital piano.
Yes of course still not a C3 or D, but itís the best action youíre going to find on a digital and an extensive monitoring system for the sample library. I havenít played the Kawai Novus yet. Although I am eager to.





I live in a condo. I played the avant grand N3/3x and itís an incredible instrument for people who canít have a grand due to noise/space. Where I live a new one is 16,000. I found someone selling a yamaha grantouch GT2 for 2000. Sure, itís an older sample with less polyphony, but itís still the same thing as the N3x, ie.a real grand action with a sound system built into a grand front. I bought the grantouch and could not be happier.

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and it makes even less sense to pay $4,000 for a Nord Grand, when you know that you can have a Kawai MP7SE for less than half the price, about $1,500...

Though you generally pay a premium for the models that emphasize single function direct controls over multi-function controls and menu navigation. Kawai MP11SE leans toward the former, MP7SE leans toward the latter. And I think that's definitely part of the Nord appeal. Similarly, the Yamaha that I think would have the most similar appeal would be the CP88. Something the Nord has over a CP88 or MP11SE is diversity... it has the widest range of different piano sample sets, and the widest range of non-piano sounds.[/quote]
Well, the price point of the MP7SE says midrange and doesn't have the same layout as the MP11SE, with clearly divided sections. However, to me this is a good thing - for those of us who have played and sat down an hour or so, in front of an MP7SE knows that it's very user friendly, with a very clever user interface, so even though it doesn't look as if it has a one button per function-interface, it certainly acts like it in practice.
Also, the feel of the keys on the MP7SE, and the overall build quality makes it feel as if it was a much more expensive stage piano.
About half a year ago, I spent a whole day in Stockholm, and I played about every digital piano I could find (Kawai MP7SE, MP11SE, ES8, CA98, Novus NV10, Roland RD2000, Dexibell P3, Yamaha CP4, Montage 8, Nord Piano 4, Stage 3 HA88, Viscount Physis H2, Korg SV1, GrandStage 88, P1, Kurzweil SP6, Casio/Bechstein GP-500, and maybe some more I can't remember right now). Now I know, there's a lot of personal preference here (of course), but based on that day, with all the stage pianos I played, the MP7SE was the clear winner - and if I should pick the best digital piano I've ever played - the CA98 is nothing short of amazing, and also a clear winner - I even preferred it over the NV10, much thanks to is dual wooden transducer on the back of the piano (the NV10 has traditional speakers). The CA98 sounded and felt just like an acoustic instrument! However, then NAMM and the release of the CP88 happened - 2Ĺ weeks later I bought a CP88 instead of the planned MP7SE (for some reason Swedish music stores seemed to get the very first batch, and I was lucky to fetch the first one arriving in my home city..!), and I haven't regretted that purchase a single day since, yet another amazing digital piano! smile

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It depends if you wanna pay that extra $1500 for all the Nord piano download options

Well, for $1500 you could probably buy a used Nord Electro 4 or even 5, to add to your MP7SE...! grin


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Don't get me wrong though - I love the design and the idea of the Nord Grand. I just wish, especially when considering the price, that it at least could have one extern section from the Stage 1/2/3... of course, you could compensate for the very limited MIDI implementation with a device like the Lab4music Sipario, or similar, but I still wish the Grand had a bit more MIDI functions built-in. The design with the flat top could be perfect for a lower 88 board (the flat top was actually one of the main reasons I chose a Keyb/Viscount Legend clonewheel over a Mojo).
Now it's too obvious that the Grand is "just" a repackaged Nord Piano 4 with a better keybed and more luxurious housing (and ok, there's an extra GB of piano flash memory, as well, something that the Piano 4 should have had from the start, IMO... My guess is that will also see a Piano 4 EX in the near future).

I'm looking forward to play a Nord Grand this summer - a store owner in Stockholm has been promised to get one of the very first production units for his little boutique store, probably late June, early July, so then he'll have some kind of event. smile


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I'm not sure I see a market demand for adding an external control section to a high-end weighted keyboard stage piano without also adding basic controllers like mod wheel, pitch bend, and aftertouch.

Without that, what need would adding an "extern" section fill that isn't already easily addressed by the product as it is?

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Originally Posted By: analogika
I'm not sure I see a market demand for adding an external control section to a high-end weighted keyboard stage piano without also adding basic controllers like mod wheel, pitch bend, and aftertouch.


Well, an end block with the classic Nord wooden pitch bender and granite mod wheel would certainly be a welcome addition as wheel, in my book..! smile

Aftertouch is certainly nice to have, but I have never seen it implemented in a three sensor keybed, at least not one with counterweights and "let-off simulation" (escapement) - I guess aftertouch would not only be complicated to implement in a keybed with "let-off"/escapement, but also would take away some of the grand piano-like realism of the keys.


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Originally Posted By: analogika
basic controllers like mod wheel, pitch bend, and aftertouch.

Without that, what need would adding an "extern" section fill that isn't already easily addressed by the product as it is?

Access to additional sounds (i.e. from a sound module, iPad, pc). Useful parameters for the EXT function to still have would be MIDI channel, key range assignment, enable/disable pedal(s), program change, volume, octave shift. That alone would still be very useful. I have often used boards to trigger external sounds without needing to use mw/pb/at on them... in fact, more often than not.

If you wanted to take it further, since I think (only) the right-most pedal is continuous on the Nord, there could even also be an option to redefine it to CC1 modulation, to substitute for not having a wheel, and maybe even an option to then use one of the other two pedals to be an on/off sustain so you wouldn't have to lose sustain function to get mod. The continuous pedal could also have options to define it as pitch bend... say, with whole step up or whole step down options.


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basic controllers like mod wheel, pitch bend, and aftertouch.

Without that, what need would adding an "extern" section fill that isn't already easily addressed by the product as it is?

Access to additional sounds (i.e. from a sound module, iPad, pc). Useful parameters for the EXT function to still have would be MIDI channel, key range assignment, enable/disable pedal(s), program change, volume, octave shift. That alone would still be very useful. I have often used boards to trigger external sounds without needing to use mw/pb/at on them... in fact, more often than not.

This!

I often use the lower manual of my Legend Live to trigger piano sounds in Panel A on my Stage 3 compact. The Legend Live has also very limited MIDI implementation, but it has a very clever solution for its manuals - they don't send out any MIDI at all, as long as a preset or either drawbar set is active - but once you press cancel (on the Live: both A and B drawbar buttons simultaneously), it starts sending midi - so a dual button press turns the manual from organ to midi controller - very convenient!

For a stage piano, it would be great to have a button for local off, and another for MIDI transmit on/off. Actually, this is the one thing I miss in the CP88 - to turn on/off MIDI transmission you have to go into the menu system (but once there, there's an extensive list of MIDI parameters for each of the four possible zones). Of course, it's very easy to have one or more of the 8 presets in a bank, to send MIDI, and the others "local" only, but I would have loved to have a dedicated extern section, with its own lever/switch like the other three internal sections.


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Ah, that makes sense. I suppose even just a quick method to switch MIDI send on/off would go a long way in combination the existing split functionality in that case, and turning the internal synth engine down to zero...

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For a stage piano, it would be great to have a button for local off, and another for MIDI transmit on/off.

Korg SV1 gets halfway there with a front panel Local Off button, but a companion MIDI transmit on/off button would have been great. But at least you can add it for $20, an extra MIDI cable, and a bit of velcro... https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/258510836/midi-kill-switch

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I suppose even just a quick method to switch MIDI send on/off would go a long way in combination the existing split functionality in that case, and turning the internal synth engine down to zero...

Yup, that same box will do it. And I might create selectable Programs with silenced internal sounds, rather than deal with moving the volume controls up and down.


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On the subject of price, I would gladly pay more every time for a flat top keyboard capable of supporting a clone or synth. How much would I pay? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? How much do I hate 2-tiered stands? Not sure where my limit is but I wouldn't blink at an extra $1K.

I've never found a 2-tiered stand I was happy with. The closest was the Invisible, which I foolishly sold (I had 2 of them, sold both!).

I thrill to a weighted bottom keyboard with a flat top and front-facing controls. And I have one, it's the Crumar Seven. The Seven isn't perfect (if it was, it'd be a "Ten"). But the physical configuration compensates for a lot of downside including it's price.

So, that said, am I interested in the new Nord? Given I already have the Seven, which has the additional advantages of being 73 keys and 33 lbs, probably not. Just saying that I'd love to see more flat top weighted action keyboards. Good on Nord for putting one out.

As I stated above, we don't know for sure whether the narrow top of the Nord will support another keyboard, but I'd bet it will, in a "functional overhang" mode.

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I've never found a 2-tiered stand I was happy with. The closest was the Invisible, which I foolishly sold (I had 2 of them, sold both!).


I have about six or seven different 2- and 3-tier stands... and my absolute favorite so far is definitely the K&M 18950, which is so easily reconfigurable in height, width (!) and also it is one of the few stands where you can get just about any two keyboards really close together. The Standtastic in my home studio is also great in that regard!

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I thrill to a weighted bottom keyboard with a flat top and front-facing controls. And I have one, it's the Crumar Seven. The Seven isn't perfect (if it was, it'd be a "Ten"). But the physical configuration compensates for a lot of downside including it's price.

So, that said, am I interested in the new Nord? Given I already have the Seven, which has the additional advantages of being 73 keys and 33 lbs, probably not. Just saying that I'd love to see more flat top weighted action keyboards. Good on Nord for putting one out.

As I stated above, we don't know for sure whether the narrow top of the Nord will support another keyboard, but I'd bet it will, in a "functional overhang" mode.


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I'm considering selling my Kronos 61 to get this (that will be my only way to afford it).

Con: I'll be left with no semi-weighted keys/mod-wheel for playing leads etc, BUT, i do have an M-Audio Keystation 49 which i can put on top of the Nord Grand surface and use it to control Omnisphere.

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[quote=Keepitsimple]i do have an M-Audio Keystation 49 which i can put on top of the Nord Grand surface and use it to control Omnisphere./quote]

This approach puzzles me. If you're running a software rig, why do you need a premium hardware instrument? The sounds you can get in software will far exceed the Nord capabilities. I get that:
1. You want a premium action. That's what the Kawai VPC1 is for. Plenty of other options.
2. You want backup sounds in case the software crashes. But they don't have to be top-flight sounds - just enough to get you through the gig.

I'm not knocking the decision, the Nord Grand looks like a great way to deliver a premium instrument. It's just that if you have to sell something else to get it, you may be trying to solve the wrong problem...

Just my £0.015

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Because i'm sick and tired of holding my left ear with my right hand when playing piano. Even with vsts and a controller, the connection is still lacking compared to a hardware machine with 88 keys and good piano sounds. It all goes back to a mistake i made back in 2011, when i bought a kronos 61 instead of an 88. Who knows, maybe if i did, i wouldn't be making this decision now.

But the biggest reason is that the Kronos doesn't inspire me as a pianist/composer anymore. After 8 years, i can hear the Kronos German Grand in my sleep because of how much i used it.

Gigs: Not much at the moment. Getting ready to release my solo piano album later this summer and hopefully doing a local tour promoting it. Some venues might have a grand piano and some maybe don't and i want one machine to use when promoting the album.

We all have our reasons.

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Got it.

Good luck in your quest. Nord's reputation for FTE connection is obviously subjective, but not the highest. Try a Yamaha CP4 (end-of-line or second hand) for comparison? You may not need to sell your Kronos.

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Thanks Mike. Yep still trying different models. Thereís still time between now until the Nord is available. Who knows what happens until then.

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Very nice playing, really enjoyed it. I love that Metheny tune ! Nice to see and hear a real, more mature player, not trying to show off chops on a demo, just play some music. Really on any keyboard for that matter. wink

Sounds good of course. I'd have to play it in person to say for sure but generally, the Nord sound is not my thing when I have to grudgingly play an electronic keyboard.

I did connect well with the CP88 when I recently played it, and would probably go that route if I ever move up from the CP4.

Again kudos to Nord for trying to up their game for serious pianists. Although contrary to what he posted in the video- I don't consider it in the "lightweight" category for gig schlepping. wink

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Enjoyed the playing, didn't pay attention what piano he was using.

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I quite liked the White Grand in that video - it's got a slightly "upright-y" character, boxy and compact, rather than all-dominating like a grand. And I didn't hear any thinning out two octaves above middle C, which is the usual Nord problem.

Playing was indeed wonderful.

42lb is too heavy for me, but relatively competitive with CP88 at 41lb and others.

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Enjoyed the playing, didn't pay attention what piano he was using.


Same here. The piano sound was good enough that I ended up focusing on what the musician was doing vs. trying to dissect the instrument with my ears. More than good enough for me, although I'm going to have to think carefully about the weight.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Sun&Rain] #3007621 09/11/19 04:56 PM
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His playing was indeed enjoyable in a way piano demo videos seldom are. That's why I watched the whole thing. Of course you can watch hundreds of videos like this but the only way to know if you'll like a digital piano is by playing it. I'd like to play the Nord Grand side by side with a CP88, that would probably qualify as a shootout of the best sub-45 lb DP slabs. The CP88 so stellar I'd have to label the Nord the underdog going into that fight, at least for me.

One thing I noted in the video is that he seems to be largely a middle-of-the-keyboard player, at least in this brief sample. And he values a light weight board, so he might be happy with a 73 or 76 that shaves off a few lbs. It would be great if every time a manufacturer issues a CP or a Nord Grand, they also make a 7x version. That's the world I want to live in someday.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Sun&Rain] #3007624 09/11/19 05:26 PM
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For comparison :

Nord Grand -- Height: 6.6", Width: 50.7, Depth : 15.2" Weight: 46 lbs.

CP88-- Height: 5.5" Width: 51.1" Depth: 14.3" Weight: 41 lbs.

Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Sun&Rain] #3007627 09/11/19 05:59 PM
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Well, I gotta say, the combination of action, sound, and physical presence (like the Crumar Seven, it looks more like my Wurlitzer than like a typical digital keyboard, and I love me a flat-ish top and angled controls) is super enticing for me. It'd be a lot heavier than my Privia, but lighter than the VPC-1, and built-in sounds, too!

But even though it's less expensive than I anticipated, I just don't see myself upgrading to one at that price point. So it goes!


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