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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: CountFosco] #2983072 04/02/19 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: CountFosco


It says 3.687 Euros. In Thomann Europe Nord Stage 3 88 is 3.500 Euros, so it's about 200 Euros more expensive than Stage 3-88.

At the same time Stage 3-88 is $4.500 in the U.S so my guess for Nord Grand MSRP in the U.S: $4.700.



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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: U.Honey] #2983076 04/02/19 02:24 PM
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That's probably (IF it's a true price and not just a a placeholder) MSRP, which is usually about 25% higher than actual selling price.

The Stage 3 has a MSRP (according to Thomann) of over 4600 euros, but it's sold at 3500. MSRP of the NP4 is 3200, with a selling price of 2500.

If that ratio is valid, those 3700 euros for the NG would translate in a street price around 2900, 400 more than the NP4. High for sure, but not forbidding. Finger cross...given that this board largely overlaps with the lower priced NP4, its success will greatly depend on finding the proper price point.

Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2983082 04/02/19 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
But I can't imagine wanting to carry this around. The weight is within reason, but the shape is bulky

To me it just looks like a "square" version of the SV-1 88 from a haulage point of view. Dimensions and weight certainly not a million miles apart.

Therefore not the easiest thing to manipulate but doable.

Looks a bit like someone's red-headed step sister but beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and I'm yet to trip over an audience member who either blown away or disgusted by how a keyboard looks. And I play a real ugly keyboard. In public no less.

Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: CowboyNQ] #2983086 04/02/19 03:17 PM
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Ha! I knew something was up. I bought a used MP8 from Nord a few years ago..! I love the Kawai actions, theyre the best out there imho but it was just too heavy... if this is 20 kgs itll really be something..!

Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: CowboyNQ] #2983087 04/02/19 03:19 PM
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We won't know for sure until someone tries it, but it looks to me like you could set another keyboard on top. It will overhang, but would probably still be balanced and playable. To me that's a very attractive feature, if it works.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: CowboyNQ] #2983111 04/02/19 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: CowboyNQ
To me it just looks like a "square" version of the SV-1 88 from a haulage point of view. Dimensions and weight certainly not a million miles apart.

Therefore not the easiest thing to manipulate but doable.

Probably easier without all the SV1's awkward-to-grip rounded edges, though.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: AnotherScott] #2983114 04/02/19 05:12 PM
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It reminds me a little bit of a Synclavier.

Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Adan] #2983116 04/02/19 05:24 PM
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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Tonysounds] #2983125 04/02/19 06:40 PM
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Reminds me of the GEM Promega 3.



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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2983128 04/02/19 06:51 PM
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I was thinking the Kawai MP-9000.



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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Mighty Motif Max] #2983131 04/02/19 07:00 PM
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I see the resemblance. Its uncanny! smile


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2983133 04/02/19 07:09 PM
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interesting move, surprised not to see the wooden keys as found on the high-end kawais, that would have really set this apart.

btw, does it really matter if keys are made of wood, when you interact with the plastic surface? what's the benefit apart from
any perceived satisfaction from knowing it's there?


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: konaboy] #2983134 04/02/19 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: konaboy
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btw, does it really matter if keys are made of wood, when you interact with the plastic surface? what's the benefit apart from
any perceived satisfaction from knowing it's there?


Weighting might feel more natural. The vibrating from when you hit the bottom of the keybed is different with plastic keys vs wood in my experience.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Mighty Motif Max] #2983137 04/02/19 07:15 PM
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Also possible wood is more forgiving to the players joints and tendons but how significantly...


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2983144 04/02/19 07:45 PM
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Wood is solid, and the moving mass will just feel different. Also, I've never seen a plastic key that was solid on the bottom where it contacts the felt. kanker says he's very sensitive to this. Think about it. The plastic keys have two sides digging into the felt when it bottoms, whereas wood has the entire width of the key hitting the felt.

IOW, if plastic keys worked as well as wood, real pianos would have been using them by now.

That's not to say there aren't some really good feeling plastic keys. but even the top end Casio Grand Hybrid uses wooden keys from Bechstein.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Dave Ferris] #2983146 04/02/19 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Impressive ! Too bad it's not the MP11 action but then it wouldn't weigh in at 46 lbs. of course.


I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.

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A very interesting blend of brands/instruments... But Ill still take my MP11. Lucky for me I dont gig.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Dave Bryce] #2983344 04/03/19 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce


I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.dB


I checked a friends MP11 twice.
The action feels great, but I also recognized its too heavy for me when playing for any length of time.
Its heavier than the Rhodes MK80 action, which is the heaviest I still own and in opposite to the MK80, the keys bounced when being released and returned to their initial position which I disliked.
But thats only me.

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Curious to see how'd you feel when comparing RM3II, GF-C, GF/GFII.
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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Al Coda] #2983347 04/03/19 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce


I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.


I checked a friends MP11 twice.
The action feels great, but I also recognized its too heavy for me when playing for any length of time.
Its heavier than the Rhodes MK80 action, which is the heaviest I still own and in opposite to the MK80, the keys bounced when being released and returned to their initial position which I disliked.
But thats only me.

I was not clear - sorry. idk

My "man, was it heavy" quote was referring to the physical weight of the MP11, not the action. I adore piano action like that. love

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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2983353 04/03/19 09:01 PM
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Beautiful! I love Kawai's action on acoustic pianos. They're heavier than most Yamaha's I've played. I played their stage pianos at NAMM, but to me it wasn't anything special...say compared to RH3.

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If this is the MP7 action, it is better than the Fatar actions. The MP11, though.... as others have noted, is a very nice action. Best I've played that isn't an acoustic piano. Very satisfying.

Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Nathanael_I] #2983398 04/04/19 02:53 AM
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My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90% as good at 50-60% of the overall weight. If you're gigging, that's kind of an easy choice. And of course there's a subjective element, so someone like Dave Ferris might actually prefer the Yamaha over the Kawai.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: Adan] #2983407 04/04/19 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: Adan
My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90%...


May I ask if you have actually played an MP11?

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I love it.. but I would never spend that sort of bread on anything but a new Baby Grand for home now ..


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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
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My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90%...


May I ask if you have actually played an MP11?

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I've played the MP11, and all the Yamahas I named, and my opinion is what I stated. Your opinion may be different.

Some years ago I owned an MP9000. I loved playing so much I even tried gigging with it. That was sheer folly. I was younger and stronger then and, in contrast to Bob Dylan's progress through life, I'm not younger than that now. Now my cutoff for a gigging keyboard is about 45 lbs.


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Re: Nord Grand with Kawai Action [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2983434 04/04/19 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I see the resemblance. Its uncanny! smile

no, THIS is uncanny ....



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