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#2980479 - 03/17/19 01:51 PM Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale
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One of my personal idols, Dick Dale has died. Hope his section of heaven has some great waves.
http://californiarocker.com/2019/03/17/rip-dick-dale-king-of-the-surf-guitar-passes-away-at-82/


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (03/17/19 01:51 PM)
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#2980485 - 03/17/19 02:42 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Rest in Peace Dick Dale...You are one of my favorite surf guitar legends!
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#2980497 - 03/17/19 04:23 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Larryz]
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My Grandpa's favorite. He has a Showman amp because that is what Dick played. I liked him also. According to people on the North Shore he was just a real regular guy.

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#2980513 - 03/17/19 07:18 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: surfergirl]
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One of the greats in the history of Rock guitar. Been way too many passing over in the past several years. Keep hammering on Dick!

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#2980536 - 03/18/19 05:50 AM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: bbqbob]
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Sorry to see this. He was a true showman and stalwart, hanging around after his shows to autograph albums - even bootlegs!

As Jimi said, "You'll never hear Surf Music again . . ."

Rest In Peace, sir.
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#2980569 - 03/18/19 09:56 AM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Winston Psmith]
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RIP Dick. One of the great ones leaving us. Jim

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#2980579 - 03/18/19 10:50 AM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: jimmac]
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Cat was abt more than surf music...but who cares, right ?
RIP & move on. facepalm
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#2980610 - 03/18/19 01:49 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: d / halfnote]
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Arguably, Dick Dale introduced “shredding” to rock & roll audience.

He started my decades long love affair with instrumental surf music, despite being landlocked 99% of my life. What can you say: First among equals? Often imitated but never duplicated? All that and more.

Through his tunes, he sold more than music, he sold a vision. Not many musicians can say they did that.
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#2980622 - 03/18/19 02:49 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Thanks, Danny A.

I hate it when an artist gets pegged for one thing (unless that's really all they were good at).
Then ppl roboticaly cite that as though that's an homage or an appreciation.
I'm not yer major DD fan but I know there 's more to that cat than surf gtr.
In his later years, for example, he became a fervent ecologist.

This song, while easily pegged as a surf hit, is actually a case of cross-cultural artistic vision.
10- pts to who can explain what I mean.


This tribute, from an unlikely source, is just for fun


This one, from Dale to some frgotten people, is not


Still with me ?
Here's some info from the man himself.
If ya think "King O Surf Gtr" wraps it up, prepare to be surprised.




Important advice to young musicians


Encore / a musician weaves some threads
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#2980625 - 03/18/19 02:56 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: d / halfnote]
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He had a lot to say to those willing to listen.
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#2980627 - 03/18/19 03:17 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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His obit was on the front page of today's LA Times, continuing to a half page inside, with color pix. Pretty high praise for a guitar slinger.
And, yes, Misirlu is claimed by about a half dozen Middle Eastern countries as their own folk tune.
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#2980653 - 03/18/19 06:34 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Rest in peace Dick Dale.

Another great gone too soon.

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#2980725 - 03/19/19 07:50 AM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
Hope his section of heaven has some great waves.


It will, now...
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#2980839 - 03/19/19 05:44 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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THIS JUST IN !

Apparently Dale, besides appearing in several teen flicks in the 1960s & cartoon & game VOs later, actually had a small part as an Elvis impersonator in the Marilyn Monroe film LET'S MAKE LOVE (1960).
From the NYTimes obit:

After the family moved to Southern California in around 1955, Mr. Dale’s father quit his job at an aerospace and defense company to manage his son’s career. Mr. Monsour booked him in talent shows and movies, including a cameo as an Elvis Presley impersonator in the Marilyn Monroe movie “Let’s Make Love.”

Following links in that article I found...
Let's Make Love (1960) / Full Cast & Crew
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054022/fullcredits
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#2980903 - 03/20/19 02:14 AM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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RIP Dick Dale
The OG of fusion.
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#2981169 - 03/21/19 10:20 PM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: skipclone 1]
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Eternal legacy. RIP
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#2981178 - 03/22/19 01:07 AM Sad [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Yup this is very sad indeed......


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#2981190 - 03/22/19 04:17 AM Re: Sad [Re: Dude111]
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I've seen that Monroe flick many times. Had NO IDEA that guy was Dale! shocked
Really doesn't do much, but still kinda interesting.
WAIT for it.......

Whitefang


Edited by whitefang (03/22/19 04:42 AM)
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#2981258 - 03/22/19 10:27 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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There is a YTube page featuring "LET'S MAKE LOVE" but since it's a $4 fee to watch the film, I held back from posting it here...although it's there if ya want to see it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+make+love
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#2981282 - 03/22/19 11:16 AM Re: Sad [Re: d / halfnote]
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Slightly OT, but does anyone else recall an Amp that had a built-in "Surf" effect? I know a friend had one back in '68/69, and I thought it was a Fender, but trying to search, I keep getting shunted to "How to get that Surf Guitar Sound" links.

From what I recall, it wasn't like a built-in Phaser, in that it didn't change the sound of the Guitar, it was just a soft, "whoosh-ing" White Noise effect, that was either On or Off: I don't even think it had a Rate knob?

It had to have been something Dick Dale inspired, and given his relationship with Fender, I'm sure it was a Fender Amp.
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#2981293 - 03/22/19 11:44 AM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Same deal here, WP.
Maybe you can contact the person & ask them ?
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#2981299 - 03/22/19 12:06 PM Re: Sad [Re: d / halfnote]
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Originally Posted By: d / halfnote
Same deal here, WP.
Maybe you can contact the person & ask them ?


Been nearly 50 years, brother . . .

I've been scrolling through data on various Fender Amp models, with no luck so far.
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#2981315 - 03/22/19 01:14 PM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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well, which d'ya think's gonna be faster---recalling yer friend's name or looking at a googleplex of amp options grin
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#2981346 - 03/22/19 03:38 PM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Slightly OT, but does anyone else recall an Amp that had a built-in "Surf" effect? I know a friend had one back in '68/69, and I thought it was a Fender, but trying to search, I keep getting shunted to "How to get that Surf Guitar Sound" links.

From what I recall, it wasn't like a built-in Phaser, in that it didn't change the sound of the Guitar, it was just a soft, "whoosh-ing" White Noise effect, that was either On or Off: I don't even think it had a Rate knob?

It had to have been something Dick Dale inspired, and given his relationship with Fender, I'm sure it was a Fender Amp.


Now, not to second-guess you, but is it possible that it was a pedal... ? Here are a couple of examples (their ilk first came out in the '60s)- and at the very least, these illustrate the fact that these specific "effects" were available and being marketed towards electric-guitarists...

________ Exciter Fuzz Wah Siren Surf Hurricane effect pedal JAPAN early 70s


________ Shin-Ei Wah Volume Surf Hurricane 1970's

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#2981351 - 03/22/19 04:02 PM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Slightly OT, but does anyone else recall an Amp that had a built-in "Surf" effect? I know a friend had one back in '68/69, and I thought it was a Fender, but trying to search, I keep getting shunted to "How to get that Surf Guitar Sound" links.

From what I recall, it wasn't like a built-in Phaser, in that it didn't change the sound of the Guitar, it was just a soft, "whoosh-ing" White Noise effect, that was either On or Off: I don't even think it had a Rate knob?

It had to have been something Dick Dale inspired, and given his relationship with Fender, I'm sure it was a Fender Amp.


Originally Posted By: d / halfnote
well, which d'ya think's gonna be faster---recalling yer friend's name or looking at a googleplex of amp options grin


Even today, some stuff still hasn’t been put on the Internet...at least, not anywhere easy to find. It may simply be so niche that only a few people have ever publicly discussed them in the Information Age,
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#2981413 - 03/23/19 03:55 AM Re: Sad [Re: d / halfnote]
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Originally Posted By: d / halfnote
There is a YTube page featuring "LET'S MAKE LOVE" but since it's a $4 fee to watch the film, I held back from posting it here...although it's there if ya want to see it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+make+love


laugh
You guys crack me up! TCM( Turner Classic Movies) channel just showed it a few weeks ago, and will likely show it again in the near future. It gets shown there about two or three times a year. And since TCM is part of my cable package, there's no extra fee to watch anything on that channel. wink I used to have it on an old VHS cassette, but it didn't hold up. Might have my daughter find it and "burn" it for me.
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#2981543 - 03/24/19 06:49 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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@Caevan - This is from back before my memory cells got hacked, so to speak, so I'm sure about it being an effect on an Amp; none of us had any pedals at the time, not even a Wah. I also recall that this was one of very few of our friends whose parents would buy a real Strat and Fender Amp.

@d - It's not like I cannot remember my buddy's name, it's more about the likelihood of finding any of those folks from back then, or their memory being any better than mine.
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#2981659 - 03/25/19 04:33 AM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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"Surf sound"?

Think about it...DID they use a special amp, with a special setting for it? freak

I thought it was just a certain level of reverb, and a WHOLE LOTTA treble!

I didn't think amps were that advanced back in the early to mid '60's. wink
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#2981675 - 03/25/19 07:58 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
"Surf sound"?

Think about it...DID they use a special amp, with a special setting for it? freak

I thought it was just a certain level of reverb, and a WHOLE LOTTA treble!

I didn't think amps were that advanced back in the early to mid '60's. wink
Whitefang


Well, yeah...

Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Slightly OT, but does anyone else recall an Amp that had a built-in "Surf" effect? I know a friend had one back in '68/69...

From what I recall, it wasn't like a built-in Phaser, in that it didn't change the sound of the Guitar, it was just a soft, "whoosh-ing" White Noise effect, that was either On or Off: I don't even think it had a Rate knob?


Now, not to second-guess you, but is it possible that it was a pedal... ? Here are a couple of examples (their ilk first came out in the '60s)- and at the very least, these illustrate the fact that these specific "effects" were available and being marketed towards electric-guitarists...

________ Exciter Fuzz Wah Siren Surf Hurricane effect pedal JAPAN early 70s


________ Shin-Ei Wah Volume Surf Hurricane 1970's

________
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#2981676 - 03/25/19 08:01 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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@ Winston, back in the early surf days circa '63 Leo came out with a tube reverb unit that looked like a piggy back. It would sit on top of an amp that did not have reverb like a Bassman with 15's. Lots of clean volume was needed and a lot of headroom. The Fender tube amp is the bottom line for getting "surf sound". The 1st Fender Deluxe amps did not have reverb so my buddy (lead guitar in our Ventures band 66-69 that played a lot of surf) bought one of those reverb units and wah-lah instant surf sound.


In 64 Fender came out with the Deluxe Reverb, in 65 the Twin Reverb and in 68 the Vibrolux. These amps became the standard for combo amps and players that wanted to get that surf sound. One of the things these amps have in common is the Tremolo effect which is also used in surf tunes. The amps had a speed and intensity knob for adjusting the amount wanted. Some tunes used tremolo a lot on intros and then kicked it off, some tunes used it all the way through along with some syrupy reverb. The amps came with a dual foot switch so you could kick them on or off. Later in life Boss and other makers made some nice sounding reverb pedals. I would run one in front of my Twin as I liked some light reverb on all the time and then kick in the reverb pedal with more for surf tunes along with my Delay pedal.


Anyway, that's the only surf effect(s) I remember on Fender amps...newer modeling amps and effect multi pedals like my Fender Floor can get a lot of surf sound with delay, tremolo, reverb, etc. and patches set up for cruising in and out of those sounds for different tunes. Hope this brings back a few memories and good luck on your search! Have fun dude! cool

ps. Here's the surf sound you are looking for...it's the 3rd Rock From the Sun Theme song:



cool



Edited by Larryz (03/25/19 08:10 AM)
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#2981679 - 03/25/19 08:27 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
"Surf sound"?

Think about it...DID they use a special amp, with a special setting for it? freak

I thought it was just a certain level of reverb, and a WHOLE LOTTA treble!

I didn't think amps were that advanced back in the early to mid '60's. wink
Whitefang


Thanks, everyone, for responding; didn't mean to lead us down a rabbit hole with this question.

@Whitefang - That Reverb-heavy sound is definitely part of the classic Surf Guitar sound, but that's not what I'm talking about in this case. I also remember the piggy-back Reverb unit Larry describes; I still see them turn sometimes.

No, as I recall, and it's been 50 years, this was a wash of White Noise, not a Reverb nor Tremolo effect. It sounded a lot like those White Noise boxes people use to help them sleep, just a sort of 'whoosh-whoosh' in the background of the Guitar sound, with a knob, or switch labeled "SURF". Otherwise, it looked like a standard combo amp of the time.

EDIT: I thought I'd go to the source, and ask Myles if he remembered any such animal. If Fender made it, he's probably seen at least one, and worked on it. We'll see what I hear back.


Edited by Winston Psmith (03/25/19 08:36 AM)
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#2981763 - 03/26/19 04:02 AM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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I'd like to read that response too.

I really DON'T recall ANY "Surf" sounds in music 50 years ago( which would be 1969!)and can't figure why any manufacturer would bother with supplying a "special" setting for it. wink
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#2981771 - 03/26/19 06:16 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
I'd like to read that response too.

I really DON'T recall ANY "Surf" sounds in music 50 years ago( which would be 1969!)and can't figure why any manufacturer would bother with supplying a "special" setting for it. wink
Whitefang


Myles doesn't recall any such Amp: doesn't mean there wasn't one, but it seems less likely.

As far as why anybody would put a "Surf" effect into an Amp? Marketing, buzzwords, take your pick. I'm thinking of all the gear that suddenly had the word "Blue" or "Blues" attached, once SRV made the Blues cool again for the mass market, or the short-lived "Groovebox" gimmick.
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#2981801 - 03/26/19 09:01 AM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Here's some idea of the surf sound creation on an analog synth:



I have heard the surf sound in the intro of recorded surf songs, just can't remember which ones. But if I wanted to create one I could click in and out I would just use my looper and record any of the many waves rolling to shore on YouTube.

I think I can hear the effect being used in this classic:



Here is one I would put on a looper:



Like Myles, I don't recall an amp with that FX built in, but I think the Surf Green Fender Champ had an FX control on the front I think it controlled an effects loop level and not an actual surf effect...good luck in your search Winston... thu
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#2981817 - 03/26/19 10:01 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Look. DUH. IT WAS A CHEESY "SOUND EFFECT", ALONG WITH SIREN AND SO-CALLED TORNADO AND HURRICANE EFFECTS. It's not speculation, IT HAPPENED, IT WAS MADE AND MARKETED AND SOLD AND BOUGHT AND USED. I posted evidence of the effect having been made into pedals in the '60s and '70s above here on this thread. It's not a stretch by any means that it may have been built-in on some amps, as well. There were freakin' light-show speaker cabs and all kinds of goofy stuff.
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#2981821 - 03/26/19 10:11 AM Re: Sad [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Look. DUH. IT WAS A CHEESY "SOUND EFFECT", ALONG WITH SIREN AND SO-CALLED TORNADO AND HURRICANE EFFECTS. It's not speculation, IT HAPPENED, IT WAS MADE AND MARKETED AND SOLD AND BOUGHT AND USED. I posted evidence of the effect having been made into pedals in the '60s and '70s above here on this thread. It's not a stretch by any means that it may have been built-in on some amps, as well. There were freakin' light-show speaker cabs and all kinds of goofy stuff.


I remember the Shin-Ei pedal, one even showed up at my FLUMS within the last year or so. I didn't want to mess with it, but I may have forwarded the link to Jimi Photon, who was working on one at the time.

Here's another absurdity from that period . . .

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#2981822 - 03/26/19 10:29 AM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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From the 1968 Fender catalog: Solid state amps replaced the middle control with a style control for pop, normal, country western and rock and roll, no surf. Lots of really interesting things in that catalog. They did not have 67 or 69 catalog, nothing about a surf control in the 65-66.


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#2981827 - 03/26/19 10:45 AM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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Thanks for that, surfergirl! Did not recall the Style control at all!
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#2981863 - 03/26/19 01:50 PM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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"I remember the Shin-Ei pedal, one even showed up at my FLUMS within the last year or so. I didn't want to mess with it, but I may have forwarded the link to Jimi Photon, who was working on one at the time." WP



Hey Winston, Please say hello to Pink Jimi Photon for us! We haven't heard from him in a long time!

Thanks... cool


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#2981866 - 03/26/19 02:07 PM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
"I remember the Shin-Ei pedal, one even showed up at my FLUMS within the last year or so. I didn't want to mess with it, but I may have forwarded the link to Jimi Photon, who was working on one at the time." SG



Hey Surfer Girl, Say hello to Pink Jimi Photon for us! We haven't heard from him in a long time!

Thanks... cool


I don't know who that is, sorry.
That post was made by Winston, and I have no clue how my initials ended up there. I would like to know tho.


Edited by surfergirl (03/26/19 02:17 PM)

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#2981916 - 03/26/19 07:34 PM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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@ Surfer Girl, I'm very sorry, I must have read the post wrong... facepalm

@ Winston, Please say Hi to Pink Jimi Photon for us! cool
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#2981922 - 03/26/19 09:01 PM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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That SG was not on the original post. Until I know how it mysteriously appeared I will no longer be posting.

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#2981928 - 03/26/19 09:51 PM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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That's weird, as you can scroll right back up to my post, with the link to the Lightbox Rick?

No idea how that got in there?

Edit: I've just gone and changed my password, in case someone hacked my profile (why anyone would bother?).


Edited by Winston Psmith (03/26/19 10:01 PM)
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#2981974 - 03/27/19 07:52 AM Re: Sad [Re: Winston Psmith]
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@ Surfer Girl, I just changed it to "WP". I put the "SG" at the end of my quote as I mistakenly quoted you when I should have quoted Winston. I also highlighted my quote in red. When you pointed out that you did not know who Jimi Photon was, I noticed the error and apologized. You can keep on posting. cool

@ Winston, I have no idea on the Lightbox Rick issue. I was just wanting you to say Hi to Pink Jimi Photon as the quote shows you were in contact with him... cool

Ps. again, sorry for causing the confusion.




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#2981982 - 03/27/19 08:29 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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Hope she read that, Larry
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#2981988 - 03/27/19 09:07 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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#2981998 - 03/27/19 10:38 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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@ Surfer Girl, I just changed it to "WP". I put the "SG" at the end of my quote as I mistakenly quoted you when I should have quoted Winston. I also highlighted my quote in red. When you pointed out that you did not know who Jimi Photon was, I noticed the error and apologized. You can keep on posting. cool

@ Winston, I have no idea on the Lightbox Rick issue. I was just wanting you to say Hi to Pink Jimi Photon as the quote shows you were in contact with him... cool

Ps. again, sorry for causing the confusion.



No problem, I confuse easily.
Back to Dick Dale, I just read a NPR article about him. He talks about surfing and using 10 foot boards. My Grandpa is down to 8 foot now, mine are mostly 4'10 to 5'2, my longest is 5'6. I still marvel at a 10 foot board, but at 5'8 and 120 lbs, no thanks.

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#2982003 - 03/27/19 11:13 AM Re: Mahalo to a master: R.I.P Dick Dale [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz
He had a lot to say to those willing to listen.
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Just a side note:
Hendrix, who may've had a place in his heart for Dale idk
used to intro songs w/ the statement, "This is for those w/ears to hear"

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There is a YTube page featuring "LET'S MAKE LOVE" but since it's a $4 fee to watch the film, I held back from posting it here...although it's there if ya want to see it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=let%27s+make+love


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You guys crack me up! TCM( Turner Classic Movies) channel just showed it a few weeks ago, and will likely show it again in the near future. It gets shown there about two or three times a year. And since TCM is part of my cable package, there's no extra fee to watch anything on that channel. wink I used to have it on an old VHS cassette, but it didn't hold up. Might have my daughter find it and "burn" it for me.


As I tried to make clear, that was only posted as one way to access the film (& Dale's cameo).

More on point...
Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
@Caevan - This is from back before my memory cells got hacked, so to speak, so I'm sure about it being an effect on an Amp; none of us had any pedals at the time, not even a Wah. I also recall that this was one of very few of our friends whose parents would buy a real Strat and Fender Amp.

@d - It's not like I cannot remember my buddy's name, it's more about the likelihood of finding any of those folks from back then, or their memory being any better than mine.

In looking into this, I saw, (as WPS did or the rest of us, too) lots of info on settings for "surf" sounds.
Mostly they were reverb & other time FX.
Dale also did some R&D w/ Leo Fender & prolly other amp producers.


Hey, WPS, do you recall the company that made the amp ?
[Sorry if I overlooked that in this thread]
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#2982014 - 03/27/19 12:04 PM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
@ Surfer Girl, I just changed it to "WP". I put the "SG" at the end of my quote as I mistakenly quoted you when I should have quoted Winston. I also highlighted my quote in red. When you pointed out that you did not know who Jimi Photon was, I noticed the error and apologized. You can keep on posting. cool

Ps. again, sorry for causing the confusion.


No problem, I confuse easily.
Back to Dick Dale, I just read a NPR article about him. He talks about surfing and using 10 foot boards. My Grandpa is down to 8 foot now, mine are mostly 4'10 to 5'2, my longest is 5'6. I still marvel at a 10 foot board, but at 5'8 and 120 lbs, no thanks.


Glad you're still on-board [pun intended] Surfer Girl

Dick Dale and the Del Tones came out in the Beach Party movie(s) playing surf music back in 1963. I was 13 years old at the time and it was the same year I started surfing. My buddy had a 10' board that we shared on my 1st trip down at Refugio Beach. Later in my Sophomore year in High School I bought my 9' O'Neal and another buddy (drummer in my Ventures band) also bought a 9 footer. I had a 60 Ford and kicked out the back seat. Both boards would fit in the trunk up to the back of the front seat and I could close the trunk lid. We surfed up until '69 and had a great time.


My last trip was in 1990 when I rented a 6' board down at Pismo Beach and took my son out to teach him. I was 40 years old by then...we moved up to the mountains and just lived too far from the beach to keep on going. I still love to visit the ocean now and then and watch! Those 9' boards were great for learning and easy to get up on...Dick Dale played a part in my teen years for the music I liked to play and my surfing interest. I still play the lead to Pipeline and my other High School buddy (lead guitar player from our Ventures band) still covers Miserlou! like


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#2982159 - 03/28/19 04:34 AM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
No problem, I confuse easily.
Back to Dick Dale, I just read a NPR article about him. He talks about surfing and using 10 foot boards. My Grandpa is down to 8 foot now, mine are mostly 4'10 to 5'2, my longest is 5'6. I still marvel at a 10 foot board, but at 5'8 and 120 lbs, no thanks.


I hate to nitpick, but there are things I simply WON'T GIVE A PASS TO! mad For instance....

that should have been "...AN NPR article" . And since the acronym is for National Public RADIO, I'm at a loss as to how one READS radio! But enough of 3rd grade English lessons....

That discussion of changing surf board length is one I can't claim familiarity with, since we don't surf up here on the Great Lakes. But people DO ski(on both snow AND water) and although I do neither, I know many who do, and do both. AND I've gone through listening to them go on about the shortening over the years of both snow and water ski length. But that's just the difference in both people and how or where they were brought up. For instance...

My favorite outdoor summer sport is...

Finding adequate shade to sit under sipping iced tea. wink

Favorite outdoor WINTER sport? Well, when I was a kid, it was sledding. Down any piece of land on a slant. And on anything that'd slide on snow. Sled( with runners or those "saucer" sleds), toboggan, or even( as a group of buddies and I more than once used) an old CAR HOOD! wink

NOW my favorite Winter sport is...

Sitting in a warm house, bundled in a warm blanket and looking out at the snow while sipping hot chocolate! laugh
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#2982161 - 03/28/19 05:18 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
And since the acronym is for National Public RADIO, I'm at a loss as to how one READS radio! But enough of 3rd grade English lessons....
Whitefang


NPR has a website where their on-air articles are available for reading.
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#2982187 - 03/28/19 07:39 AM Re: Sad [Re: Scott Fraser]
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+1 Scott, Since Fang hates to nitpick, perhaps he can read it here:

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/22/705815691/remembering-dick-dale-king-of-the-surf-guitar
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#2982213 - 03/28/19 09:13 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
No problem, I confuse easily.
Back to Dick Dale, I just read a NPR article about him. He talks about surfing and using 10 foot boards. My Grandpa is down to 8 foot now, mine are mostly 4'10 to 5'2, my longest is 5'6. I still marvel at a 10 foot board, but at 5'8 and 120 lbs, no thanks.


I hate to nitpick, but there are things I simply WON'T GIVE A PASS TO! mad For instance....

that should have been "...AN NPR article" . And since the acronym is for National Public RADIO, I'm at a loss as to how one READS radio! But enough of 3rd grade English lessons....

That discussion of changing surf board length is one I can't claim familiarity with, since we don't surf up here on the Great Lakes. But people DO ski(on both snow AND water) and although I do neither, I know many who do, and do both. AND I've gone through listening to them go on about the shortening over the years of both snow and water ski length. But that's just the difference in both people and how or where they were brought up. For instance...

My favorite outdoor summer sport is...

Finding adequate shade to sit under sipping iced tea. wink

Favorite outdoor WINTER sport? Well, when I was a kid, it was sledding. Down any piece of land on a slant. And on anything that'd slide on snow. Sled( with runners or those "saucer" sleds), toboggan, or even( as a group of buddies and I more than once used) an old CAR HOOD! wink

NOW my favorite Winter sport is...

Sitting in a warm house, bundled in a warm blanket and looking out at the snow while sipping hot chocolate! laugh
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#2982360 - 03/29/19 03:52 AM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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I stand corrected. But I never saw waves big enough for surfing(according to my brother, who lived in Cali for a time and has done some surfing) on Lake Erie or Lake St. Claire.

I do imagine, depending on weather conditions, that they do (and did according to Mr. Lightfoot's song) get that big on Superior. wink
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#2982390 - 03/29/19 08:02 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Here's some Lake Superior surfing. You have to be young and bold cause It's mighty cold. Sitting in a warm house with hot chocolate sounds like a better way to go to me too LOL!



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#2982423 - 03/29/19 12:49 PM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
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I stand corrected. But I never saw waves big enough for surfing(according to my brother, who lived in Cali for a time and has done some surfing) on Lake Erie or Lake St. Claire.

I do imagine, depending on weather conditions, that they do (and did according to Mr. Lightfoot's song) get that big on Superior. wink
Whitefang


I guess even the smartest of us are capable of making mistakes. Right? I apologize for nitpicking.

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#2982429 - 03/29/19 01:31 PM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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Glad I didn't have to get into any of that one w/Can't Get The Log Outta They Own Eye-Yi-Yi.

& I do hope we've seen/read the last of 3rd Grade English corrections. like

I would mention that an increase in surfing is spreading across the world & this great land o'ours via theme parks w/wave-making gizmos, so I suspect that soon they'll be boogie-boarding at my childhood home in Port Huron.
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#2982441 - 03/29/19 02:41 PM Re: Sad [Re: d / halfnote]
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I would like to give a shout out to my 3rd grade teacher, a lovely lady. Over crowded, out dated books and half the class did not speak English at home. We are one of the most diversified school in the country. In spite of it she got us all to the 4th grade.

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#2982446 - 03/29/19 03:24 PM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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I want to get this back to Dick Dale, because he deserves our attention. Our band is moving towards more Country and I was wondering if he ever recorded any Country music. His Wikipedia page lists Hank Williams as one of his early influences.

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#2982452 - 03/29/19 04:28 PM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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Country may be hard to find Surfer Girl, but here is a Johnny Cash tune I found (as he also liked Johnny Cash):



Surf meets country and it's got a lot of Johnny's Folsom Prison leads at the end too...

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#2982484 - 03/30/19 01:39 AM Re: Sad [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
I want to get this back to Dick Dale, because he deserves our attention. Our band is moving towards more Country and I was wondering if he ever recorded any Country music. His Wikipedia page lists Hank Williams as one of his early influences.

Taking this in a slightly different direction...
Some of the C&W guys flirt with surf on occasion, most notoriously Junior Brown.


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#2982488 - 03/30/19 04:18 AM Re: Sad [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Odd....

NEVER thought of APACHE as a "Surf" tune. wink Don't think THE SHADOWS did either...

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#2982497 - 03/30/19 07:14 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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@ Fang, On the west coast, we surfers have always considered Apache as a surf tune...there are many more that were not written as surf tunes like Out of Limits, Secret Agent Man, Pipeline, etc.











Notice Apache on the cover of the Ventures album (I think they knew it was a surf tune). I have included video for The #1 Surfing Hit renamed to Pipeline by the original artists after they watched a surfing contest on TV LOL! cool


On the other forum you said you guys back there never thought of Walk Don't Run as "surf music", so here it is on the Surfaris album for you:



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#2982501 - 03/30/19 07:42 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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+1 on Junior Brown Danny A...check this one out with him and the Beach Boys singing backup on 409!





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#2982502 - 03/30/19 07:52 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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Here's a little Bo Diddly style surf tune by Dick Dale...he really was a surfer and the surf music he played was from the feeling he got surfing:



ps. I'm pretty sure that's him on the board! I hear a little Tequila (which is also considered a surf tune, one of the tunes I played lead on in my High School Ventures band!) starting at 1:08 and at 2:01! Dick played a lot of instruments including drums. There is quite a little drum solo at the end of this tune. I don't know if it's him on drums, but I wouldn't put it past him! cool

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#2982546 - 03/30/19 03:48 PM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Here's a little Bo Diddly style surf tune by Dick Dale...he really was a surfer and the surf music he played was from the feeling he got surfing:



ps. I'm pretty sure that's him on the board! I hear a little Tequila (which is also considered a surf tune, one of the tunes I played lead on in my High School Ventures band!) starting at 1:08 and at 2:01! Dick played a lot of instruments including drums. There is quite a little drum solo at the end of this tune. I don't know if it's him on drums, but I wouldn't put it past him! cool

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#2982573 - 03/31/19 04:42 AM Re: Sad [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Seems to me, logic would dictate that any tune ABOUT surfing could be called a "surf tune". wink

But, I guess that IS a bit TOO sensible for a Californian! freak laugh wink

That all DID sound a bit like ME claiming ANY song by an African-American artist is MOTOWN. wink Which of course, WOULDN'T be true. smile
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#2982585 - 03/31/19 07:31 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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@ Fang, re: "Logic", Having lived in California since I was 3 and having started surfing in '63 and playing surf music in a band back in '65 (never as good as Dick Dale or the Ventures), I have a different take on what surf music is than you do. I was living in the not too sensible California actually enjoying those dumb beach party movies with Dick Dale back in '63 when I was 13. I have a pretty good idea of what surf music is. I'm not claiming anything, just pointing out that there are tunes you may not have considered surf tunes that are in fact, surf tunes. You can look up more of the Surf albums tunes for yourself, if you need more truth than the album covers above which include tunes like Walk Don't Run and Apache. cool

ps. Loved those Jan and Dean and Beach Boys songs too back then...


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#2982586 - 03/31/19 07:55 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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#2982595 - 03/31/19 09:30 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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Dick Dale...he really was a surfer and the surf music he played was from the feeling he got surfing:


I went to Navy A School with a guy who knew Dick Dale. From what he told me, he was a champion surfer, and his wife was a prize-winning hula dancer. It seems the family tended towards overachievement as a life philosophy, had to be the best at everything they did. Did pretty well for themselves out of it.
I recall reading that he went through so many JBL 15s in his Dual Showman cabinets that the Fender people eventually stenciled a message inside the cabs telling themselves not replace any more speakers for free.
Now THAT'S pushing 'em hard!
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Dick Dale...he really was a surfer and the surf music he played was from the feeling he got surfing:


I went to Navy A School with a guy who knew Dick Dale. From what he told me, he was a champion surfer, and his wife was a prize-winning hula dancer. It seems the family tended towards overachievement as a life philosophy, had to be the best at everything they did. Did pretty well for themselves out of it.
I recall reading that he went through so many JBL 15s in his Dual Showman cabinets that the Fender people eventually stenciled a message inside the cabs telling themselves not replace any more speakers for free.
Now THAT'S pushing 'em hard!


Wow! crazy cool rawk
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#2982703 - 04/01/19 04:31 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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@ Fang, re: "Logic", Having lived in California since I was 3 and having started surfing in '63 and playing surf music in a band back in '65 (never as good as Dick Dale or the Ventures), I have a different take on what surf music is than you do. I was living in the not too sensible California actually enjoying those dumb beach party movies with Dick Dale back in '63 when I was 13. I have a pretty good idea of what surf music is. I'm not claiming anything, just pointing out that there are tunes you may not have considered surf tunes that are in fact, surf tunes. You can look up more of the Surf albums tunes for yourself, if you need more truth than the album covers above which include tunes like Walk Don't Run and Apache. cool

ps. Loved those Jan and Dean and Beach Boys songs too back then...


rolleyes deadhorse

You DO realize that The Ventures doing a "cover" of "Walk, don't Run", or "Apache" DOESN'T make them "Surf tunes", anymore than The Beatles doing THEIR "cover" of "Till There Was You" ( from "The Music Man") makes It a ROCK TUNE. wink

But it DOES make it a "rock version", so we can surmise that The Ventures "covers" of the aforementioned tunes makes THOSE tunes "Surf versions" of them. I will only concede that far.

The Ventures also did "covers" of both "Slaughter On 10th Avenue"(from the George Balanchine ballet: "On Your Toes" c. 1930's) and "Harlem Nocturne"(by Earle Hagen and Dick Rogers; 1939) which of course, doesn't make THEM "Surf tunes" either. Any more than Stevie Wonder doing HIS "cover" of "Blowin' In The Wind" makes IT a "Motown" song! grin wink

But too, it's all in how some people think(or not). For example....

Because most people know the Memphis born ARETHA FRANKLIN grew up and started her career in Detroit, they're surprised to learn that she WAS NOT and NEVER WAS a Motown artist! shocked

And yeah, JAN & DEAN were pretty cool too. wink
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#2982713 - 04/01/19 06:16 AM Re: Sad [Re: picker]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Dick Dale...he really was a surfer and the surf music he played was from the feeling he got surfing:


I went to Navy A School with a guy who knew Dick Dale. From what he told me, he was a champion surfer, and his wife was a prize-winning hula dancer. It seems the family tended towards overachievement as a life philosophy, had to be the best at everything they did. Did pretty well for themselves out of it.
I recall reading that he went through so many JBL 15s in his Dual Showman cabinets that the Fender people eventually stenciled a message inside the cabs telling themselves not replace any more speakers for free.
Now THAT'S pushing 'em hard!



In some of the interviews Dick Dale tells stories about his relationship with Leo Fender. Leo gave him his 1st Stratocaster a brand new '64 model. Dick wanted his music loud and helped Leo develop that 1st 100watt amp. He needed and amp for a gig as his broke down and he talked Leo into letting him use one from the shop (became the 1st blonde Showman covered amp as that's all the material Leo had handy to cover it with LOL!). Leo used Dick to test his equipment. He said if it held up under the Dick Dale test, he knew it would hold up for his normal playing customers! Paraphrasing. D, posted some good interviews above... thu


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#2982716 - 04/01/19 06:28 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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@ Fang, your knowledge of Motown music is much better than your Surf music expertise. You're a little too far out from the beach back there... Python rolleyes gofish

Here's the Ventures doing a Dick Dale surfing tune. It was not a surf tune until Dick got a hold of it. The Ventures put out a ton of surf music and were one of the 1st surf bands out there...many of their covers are considered surf classics...



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#2982734 - 04/01/19 09:17 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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Whitefang, would you consider “Miserlou” a surf tune?
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#2982986 - 04/02/19 05:01 AM Re: Sad [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Nope. Not based on THIS 1927 recording of the ORIGINAL and traditional version.... wink



All I'm trying to get across( and into obviously thick skulls) is that any Dick Dale or Ventures "cover" of much earlier tunes are just "Surf STYLE" versions of them, which doesn't MAKE them "Surf" tunes. And, to ME a song ABOUT surfing is what I'd call a "Surf" tune.

Based on what SOME feel, you'd have to think, based on it, that Walter Murphy's '76 boondoggle "A 5th Of Beethoven" that Beethoven's 5th symphony really IS a "disco" tune! rolleyes
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#2983033 - 04/02/19 07:19 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Maybe this Wiki definition of surf music will help the thin skulled among us. Contains a direct quote from Dick Dale on what he thought about surf music (which includes his Misirlou concepts BTW)...but, what would he know about it?


"SURF MUSIC

Surf music is a subgenre of rock music associated with surf culture, particularly as found in Southern California. It was especially popular from 1962 to 1964 in two major forms.[8] The first is instrumental surf, distinguished by reverb-drenched electric guitars played to evoke the sound of crashing waves, largely pioneered by Dick Dale and the Del-Tones. The second is vocal surf, which took elements of the original surf sound and added vocal harmonies, a movement led by the Beach Boys.[9][10]

Dick Dale developed the surf sound from instrumental rock, where he added Middle Eastern and Mexican influences, a spring reverb, and the rapid alternate picking characteristics. His regional hit "Let's Go Trippin'" (1961) launched the surf music craze, inspiring many others to take up the approach.

The genre reached national exposure when it was represented by vocal groups such as the Beach Boys and Jan and Dean.[11] Dale is quoted on such groups: "They were surfing sounds [with] surfing lyrics. In other words, the music wasn't surfing music. The words made them surfing songs. ... That was the difference ... the real surfing music is instrumental."[12]

At the height of its popularity, surf music rivaled girl groups and Motown for top American popular music trends.[13] It is sometimes referred to interchangeably with the California Sound.[14] During the later stages of the surf music craze, many of its groups started to write songs about cars and girls; this was later known as hot rod rock.[15] "


1. Pipeline 0:00
2. Walk Dont Run 2:18
3. Movin 4:23
4. Diamond Head 6:25
5. Yellow Jacket 8:34
6. Surf Rider 11:04
7. Raunchy 13:23
8. Wipe Out 15:55
9. Tequila 19:43
10. Black Sand Beach 23:06
11. Apache 25:19
12. Pedal Pusher 28:10
13. Driving Guitars 30:24
14. Yozora No Hoshi 32:15
15. Hawaii Five-O 34:12
16. Lullaby Of The Leaves 35:55
17. Sleep Walk 37:53
18. The Cruel Sea 40:08
19. Nutty 42:32
20. Bumble Bee Rock 44:36
21. Penetration 47:02
22. Blue Moon 49:06
23. Spindrift 51:19
24. Perfidia 54:22
25. Ten Seconds To Heaven 56:28


cool




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#2983081 - 04/02/19 10:47 AM Re: Sad [Re: Larryz]
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All I'm trying to get across( and into obviously thick skulls) is that any Dick Dale or Ventures "cover" of much earlier tunes are just "Surf STYLE" versions of them, which doesn't MAKE them "Surf" tunes. And, to ME a song ABOUT surfing is what I'd call a "Surf" tune.


Pretty sure most of us understand what a cover is. No thick skulls here, just a question of shared terminology.

A lot of people- evidenced by the Dick Dale quote- would not consider as surf music what you do because “real surfing music is instrumental."

Those who feel that way often don’t care if a tune is a cover or not. If it works as a surf instrumental, it’s surf music. It just is to them. I mean, DD knew the origins of “Miserlou”, having heard it in his youth.

It’s similar to when Run DMC covered Aerosmith’s “Walk this way”. Steven Tyler essentially said that that song was a rap tune that came out before rap existed.
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#2983098 - 04/02/19 12:13 PM Re: Sad [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Have we all not learned that Thread Derailer will just not stop ?
Steer the thread around & passed...
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#2983225 - 04/02/19 10:39 PM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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#2983265 - 04/03/19 07:55 AM Re: Sad [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Pretty sure most of us understand what a cover is. No thick skulls here, just a question of shared terminology.

A lot of people- evidenced by the Dick Dale quote- would not consider as surf music what you do because “real surfing music is instrumental."

Those who feel that way often don’t care if a tune is a cover or not. If it works as a surf instrumental, it’s surf music. It just is to them. I mean, DD knew the origins of “Miserlou”, having heard it in his youth.

It’s similar to when Run DMC covered Aerosmith’s “Walk this way”. Steven Tyler essentially said that that song was a rap tune that came out before rap existed.


No thick skulls here, eh?

So how come many DON'T get the gist that I'm referring to a tune's ORIGIN, and NOT the "style" used in COVERING it? I mentioned elsewhere that if B. B. King did a "cover" of Johnny Mercer's 1941 show tune "Tangerine" in a blues "style" that it STILL wouldn't make the song necessarily a "blues" tune. Nor categorize it in the "blues genre". And BTW(and to dispell Tyler's alleged incorrectness)

RAP, in some form or fashion existed LONG before rock'n'roll, jazz, OR even blues. Since the 18th century( and before probably) there was a form that by the late 19th century and mid '60's became known as "talking blues". Bob Dylan wrote a few, as well as Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie BEFORE him, and in ancient Roman times, a "song" wasn't necessarily musically sung, but performed as a recitation(spoken). OR, in other words...

RAP! wink







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#2983267 - 04/03/19 08:01 AM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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So how come many DON'T get the gist that I'm referring to a tune's ORIGIN, and NOT the "style" used in COVERING it?


Honestly, I haven’t seen anyone making that mistake. idk

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RAP, in some form or fashion existed LONG before rock'n'roll, jazz, OR even blues.


While I don’t really disagree that rap is older than people think, I will say that “spoken word musical performances” are not the same as rap. This is not rap, but a jazz fusion spoken word performance:


There is no rhyming or use of vernacular. It’s the author’s spoken words set to music.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (04/03/19 08:08 AM)
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#2983317 - 04/03/19 12:47 PM Re: Sad [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: Dannyalcatraz

Pretty sure most of us understand what a cover is. No thick skulls here, just a question of shared terminology.

A lot of people- evidenced by the Dick Dale quote- would not consider as surf music what you do because “real surfing music is instrumental."

Those who feel that way often don’t care if a tune is a cover or not. If it works as a surf instrumental, it’s surf music. It just is to them. I mean, DD knew the origins of “Miserlou”, having heard it in his youth.

It’s similar to when Run DMC covered Aerosmith’s “Walk this way”. Steven Tyler essentially said that that song was a rap tune that came out before rap existed.


No thick skulls here, eh?

While I appreciate the poster's attn to rap
(which, chkn their HISTORY, seems, as SOME might say, QUITE surprising)
there's really only 1 thick skull seen here.

As someone
who's had my own time's of being
on the outside of the mainstream
lemme say that there's
a diff between being opinionated w/some basis for that
& just being a pretentious NOISE
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#2983328 - 04/03/19 02:02 PM Re: Sad [Re: d / halfnote]
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In reverence to Dick Dale and surf music as known by everyone in the surfing world but Fang, I will not be commenting further...
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