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#2980252 - 03/15/19 01:38 PM Leslie 125
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What's the current going rate for a Leslie 125? I've looked at both Reverb and eBay, to no avail. They seem to be pretty rare.

No, I'm not 100% convinced that this is something I want to pursue, given that it's limited frequency-wise. Yes, I know it's just a single 12" versus a separate woofer & tweeter in the 122, et. al. but it's the only unaccompanied Leslie I can remember seeing around these parts, like, ever...


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#2980255 - 03/15/19 01:54 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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I -think- these were made with and without an amp, and that would affect the price. No amp is under $100 and with amp between $100-$200 is my guess in good working condition.

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#2980260 - 03/15/19 02:25 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: dfcas]
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I had one...it was my 1st Leslie in 1967! I drove it with a Fender Bassman Blackface head... the ones all the guitarists go gaga for . . .
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#2980265 - 03/15/19 02:41 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Legatoboy]
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The guy gave me the serial number--20168--but I have no idea how to interpret Leslie serial numbers to determine age.

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#2980267 - 03/15/19 02:49 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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You can cut the wood and make the louviers, add a shelf and a horn and cross over, I think it has a 20 watt amp. So for a medium investment you can get a pretty decent sounding leslie. Without putting a horn/crossover, personally, I wouldn't bother with it. My two cents.
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#2980271 - 03/15/19 03:33 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Delaware Dave]
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I saw something online about modifying one to take horns and all, but they made it sound like it was a booger. Mind you, I've got a full woodworking shop so I've got that aspect covered, but I've also got a horrendous to-do list and am reluctant to take on yet another project. With that in mind, it kinda becomes a take-it-as-it-is speaker.

Oh...and the Leslie comes with a Kimball organ of some sort, but the guy indicated that it's not fully functional. I'm not aware of any reason to get excited about some unknown broken-wing Kimball. I've got a Hammond A-100 and a few other odds and ends, so it's not as though it would fulfill a need on my end. Sounds like the guy just wants his floor space back. He's selling the Leslie and giving the organ away as part of the package. Sounds like it's big and heavy. Two manuals. He has no idea what model it is.

Anyone want a Kimball?

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#2980293 - 03/15/19 07:02 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Originally Posted By: GRollins
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Oh...and the Leslie comes with a Kimball organ of some sort, but the guy indicated that it's not fully functional. I'm not aware of any reason to get excited about some unknown broken-wing Kimball. I've got a Hammond A-100 and a few other odds and ends, so it's not as though it would fulfill a need on my end. Sounds like the guy just wants his floor space back. He's selling the Leslie and giving the organ away as part of the package. Sounds like it's big and heavy. Two manuals. He has no idea what model it is.

Anyone want a Kimball?

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I might. PM me with info please.
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#2980304 - 03/15/19 10:17 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Originally Posted By: GRollins
The guy gave me the serial number--20168--but I have no idea how to interpret Leslie serial numbers to determine age.

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Likely from 1968 or so...

http://www.tonewheelgeneral.com/agelist/agelist.php

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#2980310 - 03/16/19 03:58 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: zxcvbnm098]
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Originally Posted By: zxcvbnm098
Likely from 1968 or so...


Agreed.

I think I'll probably pass on this. Nobody's jumped up and said that the 125 is an amazing speaker (not that I was expecting them to do so) and I'll probably end up breaking my back moving the stuff, only to end up with a broken Kimball that I don't really want and a Leslie that's not quite what I want, either.

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#2980315 - 03/16/19 04:35 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Grollins you win the cupie doll and the girl for that decision... as soon as you got it, you would want a Treble Driver, there kind of is no substitute for that.
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#2980317 - 03/16/19 04:40 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Legatoboy]
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Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
Grollins you win the...girl.


Sounds like the consolation prize is better than the main prize.

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#2980323 - 03/16/19 05:31 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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The Leslie/organ will probably come with a Leslie cable, two halfmoon switches and a 26-1 box.

If you are looking to add a 147 to a B3, for example, that's a couple of hundred bucks with of parts right there.

If you're a budding Hammond dude and can get it for $200, go ahead, buy it and dispose of the Kimball. Put the kit in your M3 or whatever and use the Leslie until something better comes along. Then sell it.
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#2980364 - 03/16/19 12:39 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: WesG]
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A working Kimball organ has no market value, so a non working kimball has negative market value. It would probably be a fair trade to give it all away to get the kimball hauled off. Theres a guy on Pittsburgh craigslist that posts he will haul off organs and pianos for a fee. may someday be a real business.

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#2980386 - 03/16/19 03:15 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: dfcas]
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Originally Posted By: dfcas
A working Kimball organ has no market value, so a non working kimball has negative market value. It would probably be a fair trade to give it all away to get the kimball hauled off. Theres a guy on Pittsburgh craigslist that posts he will haul off organs and pianos for a fee. may someday be a real business.


Really depends what the problem is. Some people might like it to get into organ repair for example. Some people, myself included, like the old things. Just depends on what the issue is.
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#2980435 - 03/17/19 08:06 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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I could see someone being sentimental about them, for instance, but a Kimball doesn't fit into my mental picture of where I want to go with keyboards. I don't really know how big it is or how much it weighs, given that the owner doesn't know what model it is--and there are no pictures in the ad to work with--but aside from the effort required to move the booger, I'd have to either drop the thing at the dump or try to fix it...and I really don't need to add to my to-do list. Assuming that it was fixable at all (what if it needs an OEM part that's unobtanium?), it would still only be worth, what, $25-100 in my market at best. You can pick up working ones that don't need TLC for that, unless it's some really rare model. I just can't see it working out well for me.

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#2980494 - 03/17/19 04:19 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Grey,
If you do decide to get the Kimball, I still have a substantial amount of Kimball parts (purchased the whole dealer kit from a former dealer) that I used in my service business.
Pretty sure some of them (especially the custom LSICs) are difficult to find.
These are not cabinet parts, keys, that sort of thing, but are transistors, diodes, ICs, LSICs, the parts that would typically be going bad on the circuit boards.
A lot of Kimball organs were built using numerous small circuit boards that plugged in to Molex type sockets. Many times, simple removal, spraying sockets with contact cleaner, reinserting and wiggling about would fix them.
This is not an effort to commercially sell (though I still have a business), but an effort to be helpful. I have pricing information from the 1980's.
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#2980505 - 03/17/19 05:04 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Originally Posted By: GRollins
I could see someone being sentimental about them, for instance, but a Kimball doesn't fit into my mental picture of where I want to go with keyboards. I don't really know how big it is or how much it weighs, given that the owner doesn't know what model it is--and there are no pictures in the ad to work with--but aside from the effort required to move the booger, I'd have to either drop the thing at the dump or try to fix it...and I really don't need to add to my to-do list. Assuming that it was fixable at all (what if it needs an OEM part that's unobtanium?), it would still only be worth, what, $25-100 in my market at best. You can pick up working ones that don't need TLC for that, unless it's some really rare model. I just can't see it working out well for me.

Grey


There are a few really nice models that were made. The lower-end stuff was junk. But here are some models that are pretty nice even still. I can't find pictures of all of them.

K500 "Flamingo"
K600 "Stardust"

K800 "Fascination"



J300 "Imagination"



J900 "Xanadu" - final top of the line model


There are others I think but those are the nicest ones. Most of the ones on Craigslist and the like are the low-end spinets, which were pretty much garbage. Mine is a low/mid-range R80 Broadway, which does have an internal leslie. It's not bad, but I wouldn't go lower than that. Most of the higher-end models did after a point. The Organ Forum has a good deal of information and people who can help with repair questions etc should you decide to go with it.

It wouldn't really be something you'd get to resell, but rather something to play, if you like the sound.
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#2980514 - 03/17/19 07:20 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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He said it has two manuals, which would seem to rule out the Imagination and Xanadu models.

Bear in mind that this area, regardless of population, is musically impoverished and sales of keyboards are relatively rare, regardless of make. You'll see an occasional Yamaha, but that's about it. Other than that, it's cheap little Casios and Yamaha portable/starter stuff. To attempt to buy, fix, then resell a Kimball just wouldn't be worth the trouble. I've been watching Craig's List intently for about ten years now and have only ever seen one Moog (Little Phatty--I bought it), a few Yamaha ES models, one or two MOs, and zero Korgs that I can recall. Hammonds do come up from time to time--probably the only decent keyboard that you can count on seeing (lots from churches, which explains a lot). Oh, and I think I remember two Rolands. All in a so-called metropolitan area with an aggregate population of about a half-million. It's a friggin' wasteland.

Man, if any of you want the thing, feel free to have at it. It would just be a door stop for me. I've either been sick myself or been caring for one or the other of my kids for the last six or eight weeks and am waaaay behind on everything. Adding an ailing Kimball to my to-do list just ain't smart.

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#2980647 - 03/18/19 05:30 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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You'll never resell the Kimball. The real value is the Leslie, cable, kit, and switches. $$$$$
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#2980707 - 03/19/19 05:55 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Originally Posted By: GRollins
What's the current going rate for a Leslie 125? I've looked at both Reverb and eBay, to no avail. They seem to be pretty rare.

No, I'm not 100% convinced that this is something I want to pursue, given that it's limited frequency-wise. Yes, I know it's just a single 12" versus a separate woofer & tweeter in the 122, et. al. but it's the only unaccompanied Leslie I can remember seeing around these parts, like, ever...


Grey


People over estimate the worth of these Leslie’s…………all the time. To convert them is a waste of time because what you pay in parts in time you’d be better off getting a 145 and it sounds better.
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#2980755 - 03/19/19 10:42 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Outkaster]
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had a 125 years ago (high school band) and it was "ok", but you really need that top horn .......
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#2980768 - 03/19/19 11:23 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: hazerkeys]
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Leslie 125 is valuable in the following instances:

1. you are a guitar player and want to play thru it using a guitar amp head.

2. you are an organ player and DIY capable, and want to build a mini leslie in the smallest possible cabinet. Add a shelf and stuff in a 2nd motor, horn and driver, and leslie amp. MINILESLIE!
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#2980772 - 03/19/19 11:25 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: mate stubb]
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It won't really have a good bass response. Waste of time and you won't get the money you put into it. Get an 860 if you want a small Leslie.
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#2980842 - 03/19/19 05:48 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: Outkaster]
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It won't really have a good bass response. Waste of time and you won't get the money you put into it. Get an 860 if you want a small Leslie.


I don't disagree with the sentiment, but 860's are very difficult to find.

I lived in the LA area, and it took me months to finally track one down for my XB2 back in the 90's. They do pop up occasionally, but even now they're pretty darn rare.

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#2980857 - 03/19/19 06:35 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: zxcvbnm098]
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As I understand it, the driver in a 125 isn't the same as what's in the others. Supposedly, it's full range. That's going to give it a different spectral balance, even assuming a crossover, so I'm thinking that it wouldn't "sound" like a Leslie even with an added tweeter.

Of course, in this market it'll be about twenty years before a 122 or 145 comes up for sale...

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#2980906 - 03/20/19 03:10 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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It will sound like the Leslie you find inside an organ. You won't have the swirly phase-interference stuff, because there is only one driver, can't interfere with itself.

That said, they're not bad. What is the asking price? When you finally find that 145/147 you've been looking for, you're going to have to source the kit, cable, and switches. This is why I'm always on the lookout for undesirable organs with Leslie kits.
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#2980932 - 03/20/19 06:56 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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It will sound like the Leslie you find inside an organ. You won't have the swirly phase-interference stuff, because there is only one driver, can't interfere with itself.

That said, they're not bad. What is the asking price? When you finally find that 145/147 you've been looking for, you're going to have to source the kit, cable, and switches. This is why I'm always on the lookout for undesirable organs with Leslie kits.
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#2981005 - 03/20/19 04:16 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: WesG]
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He wants $200 for the lot, but from what you're saying that's just a break-even proposition for the cables, etc.

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#2981018 - 03/20/19 07:26 PM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: GRollins]
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Yeah, but you should be able to easily sell the Leslie without the cables, switches, and kit for $100-$250 when you're done with it.

Especially if it's the variety with a 6L6 tube amp.

Or, you could keep the motor stack as a spare, that's another hundred bucks. The back panel can also be repurposed, as can the back panel screws. The speaker is likely a Jensen C12N, same as vintage Fender Twin, worth some money on eBay...

I wouldn't hesitate if it was near me.
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#2981056 - 03/21/19 07:14 AM Re: Leslie 125 [Re: WesG]
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Aye, but you're assuming that I can resell the 125...

For what it's worth the ad's been up a week. On the one hand, that means it's still available. On the other hand, it means no one wants it this go-'round (yes, it could still sell, but...). That'll likely remain the case should I try to resell the 125 down the road. I list it and it just sits and sits and sits. If I can think of a game plan to make this work, then yeah, I'll make a move, but absent a plan I'm not sure this is worth pursuing.

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