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#2977959 - 03/01/19 04:25 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I was hoping to get myself a digital piano and PX-S series definitely ticks all the checkboxes, plus the country where i am in, Roland FP-30 is mighty over priced.

My question is for Mike. I wonder if you'd have any idea about these launching in India? I see that a lot of European and US stores have it listed for pre-order but not the Asian websites. So i am guessing it's rolling out step by step rather than a world wide release at once? I couldn't find any info from casio india either since nobody picks the calls or responds to any email. Sigh.. eagerly waiting on this one though.

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#2977987 - 03/01/19 07:41 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Ankit_p]
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Originally Posted By: Ankit_p

My question is for Mike. I wonder if you'd have any idea about these launching in India? I see that a lot of European and US stores have it listed for pre-order but not the Asian websites. So i am guessing it's rolling out step by step rather than a world wide release at once?


I don't know. In some areas it is slightly delayed because of Bluetooth regulations. I know in Mexico the PX-S series won't be available until late June or so.
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#2977996 - 03/01/19 08:15 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Martin


I don't know. In some areas it is slightly delayed because of Bluetooth regulations. I know in Mexico the PX-S series won't be available until late June or so.


Thank you for the response. I guess i will just wait it out. And i hope a PX-870 update with new key action is planned in future. That would be a killer digital upright for homes.

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#2978779 - 03/05/19 11:03 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Bobby Simons]
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#2978821 - 03/05/19 03:44 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Iím hopeful that this one will actually end up on the floor of one of my local big music stores.


Me too, Bobby. Loos like sometime in May.
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#2979691 - 03/11/19 10:40 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.



I've been very patient since reading this a couple of months ago. Any hints or new information about a PX-5s Replacement?

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#2979725 - 03/11/19 03:47 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Bootsy]
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Originally Posted By: Bootsy
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.



I've been very patient since reading this a couple of months ago. Any hints or new information about a PX-5s Replacement?
Heh - that post was made less than two months ago, on January 25th. I don't think you're being patient enough. wink
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#2979741 - 03/11/19 06:17 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: Bootsy
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin

PX-5S replacement. Remember the history. PX-5S was released a year after the PX-150 and PX-350.



I've been very patient since reading this a couple of months ago. Any hints or new information about a PX-5s Replacement?
Heh - that post was made less than two months ago, on January 25th. I don't think you're being patient enough. wink


Yup. PX-S3000 announced in January, shipping in... April? So we have a ways to go before we get to a year from that... and even that is uncertain...
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#2979748 - 03/11/19 06:51 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+]
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When are these due to be released?

I was at GC in the Portland area and played the Roland FP 30.

The piano sample sounded pretty good through phones, but I did not care for the action. It seemed a bit loose for my taste.

Of everything in the 500 to 700 dollar range I thought that the FP30 had the best sound.

Very curious to see what Casio has come up with sound wise.

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#2979766 - 03/11/19 08:27 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: LX88]
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Mid to late April is what I was told by Kraft.
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#2979858 - 03/12/19 11:34 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+]
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I hear a lot of Dyno Rhodes and DX7 samples in the S3000 demo link below... does the S3000 have a Herbie Rhodes like this:
https://soundcloud.com/scarbee/hello-butterfly

So far the only hint I've gotten that a herbie Rhodes exists in the S3000 was the the guy from EWF at NAMM. Casio sure is keeping it under wraps if there is a Herbie Rhodes in the S3000. I know the S1000 doesn't have one, it has a single Dyno type model.
My PX-360 has a Herbie Rhodes, so I am expecting the S3000 does too.
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#2979901 - 03/12/19 07:17 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+]
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PX-S3000 sound samples

Number on the list: 22-26 + 37 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings

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#2979913 - 03/13/19 03:11 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: brooster1]
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#2980011 - 03/13/19 04:20 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: brooster1]
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Originally Posted By: brooster1
PX-S3000 sound samples

Number on the list: 22-26 + 37 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings


Possibly my imagination, but these piano patches sounded better - wider, more open and alive - in the various NAMM recordings than they do here. Again, could be an illusion.
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#2980021 - 03/13/19 05:17 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: brooster1]
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Originally Posted By: brooster1
...videos...


I'm confused. What do these have to do with the Casio?
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#2980038 - 03/13/19 08:08 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: brooster1
...videos...


I'm confused. What do these have to do with the Casio?


The Mike Verta videos were accompanied with this dialog which is not my dialog.The :

"This a short story of discovery - but the last video seems to answer the question of sound engine chipset... hopefully, accurately.

I've been creating music for years and have only dabbled in orchestration. About three months ago I decided to put out a serious orchestral project. I realized that my Axiom 61 wasn't going to cut it, for this project. I wanted a piano feel and sound. I went to Guitar Center to try out the feel for a couple of keyboards, planning to use my VSTi instruments.

I tried every keyboard there, and one in particular really blew me away - The Casio CDP S100 (and the S350). [I admit, being primarily a guitarist and vocalist, I didn't even know Casio was still around, let alone making professional level keyboards. Consider me impressed!] The feel of the keyboard felt just like a real piano. They had more expensive Yamaha's and Rolands, etc., but none felt this good. The sound of the speakers impressed me, too, and I loved their dual direction design. Little did I know that this had only recently been released. After I returned home I obsessed over reviews and videos online and discovered the Privia PX S1000 and S3000.

Originally, I didn't think I wanted the CDP-S350 over the CDP-S100 (nor the Privia PX-S3000 over the PX-S1000). I don't have any need for backing rhythms, nice as they are, nor did I think I could use the multiple instruments because they are usually added as an after-thought, and sound as such. I was pretty sure the CDP-S100 and my VSTi(s) was all I needed.

Then I discovered a great video by PianoManChuck. The AiR sound engine seems to be top-notch in reproducing a real sounding piano. But AiR doesn't do near as well with string and wind instruments as the AIX does great with expressive string and wind instruments.

https://youtu.be/s5ht5ZWAyZI

Then I read, over at YamahaMusicians that... 'Mike Martin at Casio USA, the CDP-S100 does indeed use AHL ii, but the CDP-S350 uses "a variant of AiX."' All so confusing! But now I needed a Privia, for sure. I need AiR!!

When I discovered this next video, it made everything worse... and better!

.. I realized that I required a MOD wheel. Such a wonderful technique to truly put an original quality to every note played on Strings and Winds. So, all of a sudden I realized that the PX-S1000 wasn't going to work. Unless I could get the PX_S1000 and supplement it with a simple, usb 2-wheel expression 'box'? (Like the size of a guitar pedal.) Nope! (Why are there no add-on expression wheels being made anywhere? I am still dumbfounded about this fact.)

So, that led me to realize I needed to get the Privia PX-S3000. Around the same time, I discovered the feature of sympathetic resonance in the Privia PX-3000, and once heard, I realized I wouldn't want to do without it. I was still disappointed that the Strings and Winds would be lacking, but I have Mike Verta's technique to help out there. smile Even if there are VSTi(s) are out there that offer sympathetic resonance, I still needed the MOD wheel/knob. [Are there VSTi(s) that have this?]

While reading on here, it seemed the type of sound engine chipset within the new Privias seemed to be ambiguous. Was it AiR or AiR 2 or What? Then another PianoManChuck video comes to my attention and delivers a great, game-changing, piece of knowledge (video below). And man do I hope he is right!

https://youtu.be/zG75hpIDoHY

I really hope this is true. A double chipset with AiR for piano and AIX for Strings and Winds? Sympathetic Resonance? Privia PX-S3000? Yes, please and thank you."


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#2980049 - 03/14/19 01:44 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: brooster1]
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I have a Casio PX 560...nice pianos/strings...not the best on acoustic Instruments. Not a bad piano touch but I'm sure no expert there.

There is not much for info on the PX S3000. There are demos out there but few demonstrate anything but acoustic and electric pianos.

Pianoman Chuck is a good resource. I hope he does a video on these keyboards in the near future.

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#2980118 - 03/14/19 12:43 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: guitpic1]
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Well, had a chance to play the CDP100-S100, and have to admit - the laws of physics still apply. With all those talks about Casio defeating them, you can still feel the short key pivot (especially on the black keys) which makes it difficult to play some chords. The piano sound has short decay time, and btw there is some approximation of Rhodes (not Dyno as someone suggested) sounds, as well as Wurlie.

It still feels like an upgrade compared to the previous Privia PX action - quieter, keys don't wobble, and black keys don't stick up too high above the white keys. So I can probably see myself buying the cheapest ($550 CAD) CDP-S100 model as a light and portable keyboard, but wouldn't spend $$ for the higher end models. There are much better options if you have $$ to spend, and for entry level piano I still prefer Yamaha's GHS.
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#2980123 - 03/14/19 01:12 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: gg22]
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As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.
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#2980124 - 03/14/19 01:18 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin]
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Would be great if Casio did an animation or video of the new actionís behavior like they did with the Celviano Bechstein action. Or how Kawai lets us see the design.

Might have to wait for someone to tear on down.
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#2980129 - 03/14/19 01:51 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.

My (perhaps mistaken) impression was that the actions were physically the same, but played differently because of additional digital processing in the Privia. Though if it plays differently, then for all intents and purposes, I guess you could say that, functionally, it's a different action, even if the mechanism were physically the same. But anyway, that is what it sounds like based on the description of the Smart Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard at https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/emi/products/pxs1000/

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88-Key Digital Scaling realizes a grand piano-like touch
The touch of a grand piano varies with the differences in size and weight of the hammers over each of the 88 keys. The new Privia models deliver the feeling of playing a grand piano through a meticulous key-by-key digital simulation of these subtle differences in touch.

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Key Off Response allows fast note repetition
The note off timing is digitally controlled based on the movement of the keys during release. When hitting the same tone repeatedly, the next note can be produced before the key returns to its topmost position.

The phrases "digital simulation" and "digitally controlled" sound to me like software enhancements, which make this version "smart" and provide a better playing experience than the "non-smart" Scaled Hammer Action Keyboard &#8545; of the new CDPs that presumably lack this additional digital processing

But is it confirmed that there are physical differences as well? Admittedly, that's a somewhat academic question, if it feels different regardless. But here's the question this is leading me to: If the difference is entirely (or even mostly) in the software, do these benefits also translate to using the board as a MIDI controller for piano VSTs? Or are these benefits tied to the programming of the internal piano sounds? (Or maybe this is the kind of thing we won't know for sure until they're out in the wild and people try it...)
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#2980151 - 03/14/19 04:26 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: AnotherScott]
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Well, if you are following Nordís lead, itís same action and a software update. wink
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#2980164 - 03/14/19 07:39 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: guitpic1]
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Sound Samples PX-S3000

Counting from the tp of the list:
Number on the list: 23-28 + 38 acoustic pianos
Layer sounds 2+4 acoustic piano and strings

The last time I went back to the page the acoustic pianos were in the above positions.
Mike Martin said that all the acoustic pianos on this page came for ONE piano sound.

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#2980176 - 03/14/19 10:05 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: brooster1]
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I like the Rhodes at 2:44, the chords blend nicely and the arpeggios and runs with pedal stay clean. Is it the Chorus or the Tremolo that's On? I guess it's the same EP that the EWF player was using at NAMM.


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#2980236 - 03/15/19 11:26 AM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+]
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Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1

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#2980247 - 03/15/19 12:39 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: SliceOfPierce]
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Hardly anyone has played one yet.
Have to wait for shipments to show up at dealers.
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#2980249 - 03/15/19 01:20 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: SliceOfPierce]
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Originally Posted By: SliceOfPierce
Would anyone here be able to give me a direct comparison of this new smart action vs the Korg RH3 action? Iím caught between the S1000 and the D1


Korg's RH3 is much more consistent from back to front - because of longer key pivot. That's why Korg D1 is 10 lbs heavier than the Casio. I consider RH3 middle tier action, similar to Yamaha's GH. Casio is closer to Yamahas' entry level GHS.

So if feel is more important - Korg D1, if weight is more important - Casio. D1 has a midi jack btw, which is missing on Cassios. (if that's important).

EDIT: I'm assuming that Casio CDP and Privia's actions are mechanically the same, because I've only played the CDP model.


Edited by gg22 (03/15/19 01:23 PM)
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#2980250 - 03/15/19 01:24 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+]
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I like the Rhodes at 2:44, the chords blend nicely and the arpeggios and runs with pedal stay clean. Is it the Chorus or the Tremolo that's On? I guess it's the same EP that the EWF player was using at NAMM.



That is the stock EP preset on the PX-S1000. No, not exactly the same as what Larry Dunn was using on the PX-S3000 at NAMM.
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#2980258 - 03/15/19 02:22 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin]
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Originally Posted By: gg22



EDIT: I'm assuming that Casio CDP and Privia's actions are mechanically the same, because I've only played the CDP model.


They are different, as Mike said above

Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
As mentioned previously the CDP-S series action is not identical to the new Privia.


Also, I've been gigging with a PX-5S since they came out and I have no issues digging into the black keys, etc... I find it to be a much better action than the Yamaha GHS.
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#2980259 - 03/15/19 02:23 PM Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin]
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Same EP samples but without Chorus?
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