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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: AnotherScott] #2984527 04/10/19 04:40 PM
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Scott, I'm pretty sure he meant all your questions about the PX-S3000, not your question about the meaning of life.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2984530 04/10/19 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+

Great demo, I liked that he played short and sweet snippets to show off the sounds, and used some of the features of the keyboard like kicking in rythyms and using knobs. Good playing as well, just wish there was 3x the content, going thru more sounds.

Have to say, was impressed by all the sounds demo'd. Now comes the hard part- getting a good enough picture of the sounds onboard so as to help with making a buying decision. Myself, I don't care that much about how much slimmer the new models are, I want MIDI jacks and a few other features found on the PX-360 and PX-560, and buying used I'd probably pay not much more than a new S3000.

I suppose the biggest question is how much better the piano sample and action are, something I have a hard time evaluating being that I'm used to semi-weighted action now. The S1000 I tried at GC felt heavy, somewhat difficult to play, but have been acclimating myself to weighted action this past week with my NS Classic 88.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Randelph] #2984617 04/11/19 06:28 AM
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Is it just me being stupid, or has the section in PianoManChuck's YouTube post about Hi Res MIDI velocity been erased from the video?
It certainly doesn't seem to be at 14:10 any more.

Later today, if I have time, I plan to attach my laptop to my PX560, run up MIDI-Ox and see just what is transmitted when hi-res is set.

I expect to see two messages, rather than one.
The first, the MIDI CC, "BnH 58H vvH" (High Resolution Velocity Prefix), see page 13, section 7.20 of the PX560 MIDI Implementation manual,
The second, the MIDI Note On message, "9nH kkH vvH", with the note number (kkH) and the 'normal' 7 bit velocity MSB (vvH).

I just wonder whether, like most pitch bend wheel implementations, it will just use three or four extra bits of the LSB, rather than all seven bits.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Randelph] #2984640 04/11/19 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: Randelph

I suppose the biggest question is how much better the piano sample and action are, something I have a hard time evaluating being that I'm used to semi-weighted action now. The S1000 I tried at GC felt heavy, somewhat difficult to play, but have been acclimating myself to weighted action this past week with my NS Classic 88.


If all you have really played is semi-weighted, moving to an 88 note digital piano with weighted action will feel harder and "slower" at first.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: EscapeRocks] #2984759 04/11/19 10:36 PM
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Tried a PX-S1000 at a GC outlet today. Did not have a lot of time to evaluate due to an appointment, but my focus was solely on the keybed action and the default Acoustic Grand.

Keybed. The weighted action has similarities to the previous PRIVIA line (regarding key weight), with improvements as follows: Key travel appears to be a little less. The keys are 'tighter', don't seem to have as much 'float' as the previous models. With unit turned off, they are much quieter. These contributing to the keybed, although appearing to have similar cycle weight to the former PRIVIAs, likely being a little 'faster', smoother - All in all a nice feeling for weighted Acoustic piano performance. There was a used PX-350 sitting next to the S1000 that I used for an immediate reference, (however, I suspect the key action on this unit might have been a little looser than normal - possibly associated with use).

Default Acoustic Grand. Using only the built in speakers, this is certainly an impressive, and quite rich acoustic grand sound. With deep resonance on the lower end, their internal speakers also providing clear and crisp highs. The keyboard was a couple of inches from a wall, which certainly assists in complementing the produced sound.
You'll see from some of my comments below that if to me it doesn't sound like a grand and play like a grand I would likely move on.

My background. I have played and gigged many years, currently use a Privia PX-5s, before that a PX-350. My 'other keyboard' is a KAWAI RX-5 Artist grade Grand. I typically do most of my practicing and prep on the PX5s.

My performance interest is solo, duo work, mostly using Acoustic, Rhodes and Bass patches (+ occasionally other layering) hence my focus on Acoustic and Rhodes-like sounds. Over the years I have owned various weighted keys, and let go of: Fender Suitcase, Fender Stage 73, Wurlitzer EP 200, Yamaha CP-300, Roland RD-800, Roland FP4, Korg SV-1 sure I've missed some.
Now using the PX-5s with it's extensive array of stock or available custom tones and stage settings

I only briefly tried the S1000 default EP. Will reserve comment on that since I did not have time to download the manual and try to dig out other Acoustics or EPs intend to do so on an S3000 when available.

I certainly see a possibility of picking up one of these compact, more portable S1000/S3000's for cafe work where I may only need to bring a small KC-110 - to only gently supplement the existing keyboard speakers in the cafe space if needed. The S1000 would certainly be a good choice for an individual wanting a good keyboard with excellent representation of Grand action and sound. I do anticipate attending CASIO's upcoming crowdcast event on the S3000 so I can better evaluate one of those when available to played.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jaspla] #2984797 04/12/19 11:41 AM
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As posted above message #2984617, I duly hooked up the PX560 to the laptop via USB, and started MIDI-ox.

As suspected, each time I pressed a key, MIDI-ox displayed two messages, first a High resolution Velocity Prefix message (CC#58) followed by the appropriate Note On message.

The same thing happened on key release, CC#58 followed by Note Off.

So, two MIDI messages per Note On, Note Off.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: JohnG11] #2984807 04/12/19 12:55 PM
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So, two MIDI messages per Note On, Note Off.


And that is exactly why CASIO gives you the option to turn it off.
Some software still can't deal with the Hi-Res (2 messages for on and 2 for off).

Thanks for verifying that for others to see!


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: EscapeRocks] #2984810 04/12/19 01:31 PM
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A PX-S3000 was shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft. Expecting to have it on 4/16 !


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2984815 04/12/19 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
My PX-S3000 shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft.

Excellent!

As you know, many of us are wondering if there's a significant enough change in the keybed to warrant getting a S3000, the PX-560/360 have features the S3000 lack, but having the best key action for under $1,000 is compelling if its a big difference. Looking forward to your comparison reviews, esp for the keybed.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Randelph] #2984839 04/12/19 05:03 PM
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Yeah tough call. The 560 is a better pick for a few reasons if the price jump isnt a deal breaker. More inclined to wait and see what the PX-6S and 570 look like post S series.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Randelph] #2984841 04/12/19 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
My PX-S3000 shipped to me yesterday from adam at kraft.

Looking forward to your comparison reviews


As am I.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2984843 04/12/19 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Yeah tough call. The 560 is a better pick for a few reasons if the price jump isnt a deal breaker. More inclined to wait and see what the PX-6S and 570 look like post S series.

Yeah, these are just the first boards with this new action. Unfortunately for me I need a new board, so the NC 2x, the X3000 / PX 360/560 or Korg PA700 are my top choices.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Randelph] #2984845 04/12/19 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Unfortunately for me I need a new board, so the NC 2x, the X3000 / PX 360/560 or Korg PA700 are my top choices.

I'm surprised to see the Korg in there with all those 88 key options. If 61 keys is enough, you've also got choices like Yamaha MODX, Casio MZ-X, some other Korgs and Rolands... What's the key criteria?


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Kurzweil SP6 as well I suppose.


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Oh, I realized what they all have in common... built-in speakers! So that would rule out most of the other boards I mentioned (and the SP6). Casio MZ-X could still be a possibility. And if volume of the built-in speakers matters, it would probably beat them all except the PA700. I'll also mention my "dark horse" candidate, Kurzweil KA90, whose sounds are particularly unimpressive, but functions nicely for playing iPad sounds through its substantial speakers. Might be the best choice if you want an 88 with above average volume.


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I think this is new and I like the playing and sound. deadhorse

The sound seems to be only coming from the internal speakers.



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I like the white. And considering the gloss finish, maybe less likely to show dust or fingerprints?


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I think we are hearing just the internal speakers in that Christian Rossetti video. It really sounds like a top notch piano. Add a small sidekick amp for a little boost and it's good to gig.


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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Randelph
Unfortunately for me I need a new board, so the NC 2x, the X3000 / PX 360/560 or Korg PA700 are my top choices.

I'm surprised to see the Korg in there with all those 88 key options. If 61 keys is enough, you've also got choices like Yamaha MODX, Casio MZ-X, some other Korgs and Rolands... What's the key criteria?


Yeah, its got to have speakers. The Kurzweil KA90- 60 watts of power with 4 speakers!!! If thats RMS watts, and they designed it well, that would be a very very capable sound system, like isn't the Yamaha CP300 60 watts as well? But instead of 27 pounds its over 60, right? And yeah, supplementing it with iPad sounds would make it a complete package.

At the moment I'm leaning towards the NC 2x. Just got back from jamming, and besides my hands being super stiff, I don't have the kind of hand strength that i used to have, so my NS Classic 88 was fun but a bit challenging to play. Which makes me think, if I can get 88 notes, a responsive action and aftertouch, I'm probably better off with semi-weighted.


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So, two MIDI messages per Note On, Note Off.


And that is exactly why CASIO gives you the option to turn it off.
Some software still can't deal with the Hi-Res (2 messages for on and 2 for off).

Thanks for verifying that for others to see!


As far as I'm aware the MIDI spec implies that if software can't handle a particular MIDI message then it should just ignore it?

The other implication of including another MIDI CC before the Note On or Off, is that those messages will be delayed by at least one millisecond.
So a good reason to switch it off if software is not using it.


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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I like the white. And considering the gloss finish, maybe less likely to show dust or fingerprints?

I kinda do as well. Interestingly, I showed my wife the white P-515 with the home bundle (still in the running with me) and she gave it thumbs down for appearance.

Its not as if shed ever let me put it in the living room or anything, lol.


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Best demo ever! I'm sold.

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Is everyone ok? It's been over 12 hours since we've had a video or speculation about the intricacies of the S3000.

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Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar


I thought Mike Martin did a great job. Anyone else watch?


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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar


I thought Mike Martin did a great job. Anyone else watch?


Is there another way to access this? I used Facebook and it never let me into the video.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Randelph] #2985736 04/17/19 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: Randelph

Is there another way to access this?


just checked and this URL is still working. Don't know for how long, however. It's a replay, of course.

https://www.crowdcast.io/e/px-s3000/1


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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Next week get all your questions answered.

Casio Privia PX-S3000 Webinar


I thought Mike Martin did a great job. Anyone else watch?
I liked what I heard and will be purchasing soon.

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I liked what I heard and will be purchasing soon.


As will I. Not sure about how soon, but it's on the short list.


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