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#2979633 - 03/10/19 10:03 PM Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson
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As a big fan of UK, this makes me very sad.

New York Post, -John Wetton was ripped off by bandmate

Johnwetton.com

I'll reserve my opinion until I hear both sides of the story, but the whole thing makes me sad.


Edited by Shutoku (03/10/19 10:04 PM)
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#2979636 - 03/10/19 11:17 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Shutoku]
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#2979655 - 03/11/19 05:33 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Jr. Deluxe]
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From what I've heard about EJ from people who've worked with him, this does not surprise me.
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#2979657 - 03/11/19 05:47 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: MorayM]
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Really sad but par for the course in this biz. As one employer of mine said: ďCalling certain people in our biz sharkd is an insult to the latterĒ
My gut leans toward Wetton and the estate in this one, if itis is as described, itís the worst kind of betrayal.


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/11/19 06:08 AM)
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#2979666 - 03/11/19 07:19 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: MorayM]
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Originally Posted By: MorayM
From what I've heard about EJ from people who've worked with him, this does not surprise me.


since there is an attorney involved, I think its fair to listen to both sides. Attorneys can make and do make all types of 'assertions' for their client .

I posted an interview with EJ last year. If someone is good at search on KC, they will find it.

In the interview with EJ, he discusses the UKZ project and what he experienced with the tour. It won't be a big surprise. To get more of the story, its useful to read what EJ says
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#2979682 - 03/11/19 09:44 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: MorayM
From what I've heard about EJ from people who've worked with him, this does not surprise me.


since there is an attorney involved, I think its fair to listen to both sides. Attorneys can make and do make all types of 'assertions' for their client .

I posted an interview with EJ last year. If someone is good at search on KC, they will find it.

In the interview with EJ, he discusses the UKZ project and what he experienced with the tour. It won't be a big surprise. To get more of the story, its useful to read what EJ says


Itís simple. Pay your people. Pay them on time. End of story.
Unless itís a seperate booking and management agency, thereís no equivocation or excuse.
Accountability is job one of a bandleader.
Like the famous sign on Harry Trumanís desk ďThe buck stops hereĒ
Iíve been lucky enough to have most of my tour and gig money mishaps resolved fairly quickly and equitably.
Iíve known too many colleagues in similar situations described above.
Just because you like someones work, doesnt mean you equivocate for them.
Any of us who do this for a living can smell bs and scumbaggery a mile away.
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#2979684 - 03/11/19 09:55 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: MorayM
From what I've heard about EJ from people who've worked with him, this does not surprise me.


since there is an attorney involved, I think its fair to listen to both sides. Attorneys can make and do make all types of 'assertions' for their client .

I posted an interview with EJ last year. If someone is good at search on KC, they will find it.

In the interview with EJ, he discusses the UKZ project and what he experienced with the tour. It won't be a big surprise. To get more of the story, its useful to read what EJ says


Itís simple. Pay your people. Pay them on time. End of story.
Unless itís a seperate booking and management agency, thereís no equivocation or excuse.
Accountability is job one of a bandleader.
Like the famous sign on Harry Trumanís desk ďThe buck stops hereĒ
Iíve been lucky enough to have most of my tour and gig money mishaps resolved fairly quickly and equitably.
Iíve known too many colleagues in similar situations described above.
Just because you like someones work, doesnt mean you equivocate for them.
Any of us who do this for a living can smell bs and scumbaggery a mile away.


Devils in the details.
I think more facts are needed. This is a neutral position.
Suits are filed all the time, then there are changes.

I don't believe in being the judge and jury and making a fast conviction.

To each his own.
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#2979699 - 03/11/19 12:17 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: GregC]
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Listen, you need to wait for the story to happen.

Its not John who filed, is it. (Of course not, he's gone.) IF there is a cause of action, is it because Jobson has not been paid for those dates either? Is he supposed to forward out of pocket? I'm guessing (*before you say OF COURSE!*) that being long time DIY guy, Jobson had written enough contracts to stipulate that 'you get paid when I get paid' since everything he does is on a DIY/shoe string budget.

Or he might turn out to be a villain, but I'm doubting it.
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#2979718 - 03/11/19 03:04 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
I posted an interview with EJ last year.
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#2979767 - 03/11/19 08:48 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Marzzz]
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Here is Jobsonís response on the Facebook page dedicated to him:

ďI have always prided myself on being honest and ethical in both my personal life and business practices, I have treated everyone as fairly and generously as possible throughout my life and career. So I am shocked, saddened and outraged that John Wettonís managers have stooped so low as to engage in an undeserved character assassination and a dishonest misrepresentation regarding my treatment of John. Nothing could be further from the truth, as they present it. However, I am actually relieved that these specious claims have been asserted in the form of a detailed lawsuit so that the courts can determine the erroneousness of their assertions and throw out the entire case. I will say more about this outrage when the case is resolved.Ē - EJ
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#2979772 - 03/11/19 10:45 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Shutoku]
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LOL Who cares? Listen to, and enjoy the music. Do you really want to know the ethical specifics of every artist whose works that you enjoy? Ever watch a Woody Allen film? LOL

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#2979776 - 03/11/19 11:10 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Seymour Cash]
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The truth is the music man. puff ....and you will never hear it anywhere else.

This is the standard, "We are looking forward to our day in court."

To be followed with "We cannot discuss the details of the settlement however we are happy with the results." coming from both sides because it is required in order to collect and stop further court action.

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Jobsonís response: ď....I am actually relieved that these specious claims have been asserted in the form of a detailed lawsuit..... - EJ

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#2979798 - 03/12/19 05:35 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: Tonysounds
Listen, you need to wait for the story to happen.

Its not John who filed, is it. (Of course not, he's gone.) IF there is a cause of action, is it because Jobson has not been paid for those dates either? Is he supposed to forward out of pocket? I'm guessing (*before you say OF COURSE!*) that being long time DIY guy, Jobson had written enough contracts to stipulate that 'you get paid when I get paid' since everything he does is on a DIY/shoe string budget.

Or he might turn out to be a villain, but I'm doubting it.


I donít know, Tony. Having been on more Mid-high budget indy tours than I can count, Iíve always heard, ďYou get paid when we do, but we will take care of you if something goes southĒ
So, yes, itís always the leaderís job to pay his/her people no matter what. Even if that is a 50ish-60 percent out of the leaderís pocket.
If the numbers detailed on John Wettonís site are to be believed, John was out $4100 per gig og an 11 gig tour. The other members probably less so according to marquee value.
Still, all members came back ass out, apparently.
Still, itís the leaderís job to take care of his people.
Full stop.

Plus, John might not have filed because he was battling cancer.
He delayed treatment to go on this tour.
Again, another fact that doesnít bode well for the other sideís veracity.
If a colleague and musical partner of some 30 years goes on tour with you, delaying vital treatment for a life threatening illness, you take care of them in some way to the best of your means,

As wriiten on johnwettondotcom:

ďAll the time, money and energy Eddie Jobson has put into lawyers could have been used for a gesture of good faith to John Wetton and his beneficiaries. ď
Not to mention the other 2 band members.

And, that, my friends, rings truest among this morass.

I hope to be proven wrong, but I gotta speak truth.

End of story.


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/12/19 06:08 AM)
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#2979875 - 03/12/19 01:44 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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"The first to state his case seems right, until another comes and examines him." - Proverbs 18:17

A longstanding principle would be to withhold reaching conclusions until both sides of the story are published. A popular permutation of this in marriage counseling goes something like, "There's her side, his side, and the third side...the truth."

Many of us prog heads grew up enjoying both Wetton's and Jobson's contributions to the prog canon - sad to see this as well.

FWIW (the reader can decide), Alex Machacek offered up this comment:

"Usually I don't talk about any business dealings in public but I feel I have to make an exception in this case. I have been working with Eddie since 2007 and he ALWAYS paid me. And besides paying me he often went the extra mile and got me upgrades on flights, treated me to dinner/drinks and arranged great accommodations on tour. (none of which are to be taken for granted) Honestly, any form of character assassination is wildly inappropriate and way out of line when it comes to Eddie Jobson."

I'll patiently await an outcome to this unfortunate (now public) matter, and hope for the best.
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#2979877 - 03/12/19 03:36 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
... I gotta speak truth....
Is this you speaking now? Hearsay, copy/pasted quotation and opinion may contain some of the truth but how would you determine the truth?

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#2979914 - 03/13/19 03:13 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: o0Ampy0o]
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Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
... I gotta speak truth....
Is this you speaking now? Hearsay, copy/pasted quotation and opinion may contain some of the truth but how would you determine the truth?


If you read my post fully, you will see that I broke the existing data down from the standpoint of a touring professionalís experience coupled with street sense.

If you wanna call someone getting paid ZERO DOLLARS (euros) for a full tour heresay, go right ahead.

I also said, from the standpoint of a professional, the case on the Wetton Estate side sounds most plausible.

I also said I hope Iím wrong because I am a fan of UK and Jobsonís work, too, but Iím not gonna let my fandom intrude upon my logical assesments either.

As far as Alexís statement goes, I donít question his experience one bit, but I know itís easy to be generous when times are good, but itís a real sign of character to be fair and honest when times are not so good.

To answer your question, truth is determined by a personís ethical compass. Mine puts integrity first, last and always.


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/13/19 03:24 AM)
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#2979915 - 03/13/19 03:17 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
"The first to state his case seems right, until another comes and examines him." - Proverbs 18:17

A longstanding principle would be to withhold reaching conclusions until both sides of the story are published. A popular permutation of this in marriage counseling goes something like, "There's her side, his side, and the third side...the truth."

Many of us prog heads grew up enjoying both Wetton's and Jobson's contributions to the prog canon - sad to see this as well.

FWIW (the reader can decide), Alex Machacek offered up this comment:

"Usually I don't talk about any business dealings in public but I feel I have to make an exception in this case. I have been working with Eddie since 2007 and he ALWAYS paid me. And besides paying me he often went the extra mile and got me upgrades on flights, treated me to dinner/drinks and arranged great accommodations on tour. (none of which are to be taken for granted) Honestly, any form of character assassination is wildly inappropriate and way out of line when it comes to Eddie Jobson."

I'll patiently await an outcome to this unfortunate (now public) matter, and hope for the best.


Tim, I hope you are right as well....

But, if we are gonna listen to all sides, we have to acknowledge the bad as well as the good!


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/13/19 03:21 AM)
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#2979968 - 03/13/19 11:39 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
... I gotta speak truth....
Is this you speaking now? Hearsay, copy/pasted quotation and opinion may contain some of the truth but how would you determine the truth?


If you read my post fully, you will see that I broke the existing data down from the standpoint of a touring professionalís experience coupled with street sense.

If you wanna call someone getting paid ZERO DOLLARS (euros) for a full tour heresay, go right ahead.

I also said, from the standpoint of a professional, the case on the Wetton Estate side sounds most plausible.

I also said I hope Iím wrong because I am a fan of UK and Jobsonís work, too, but Iím not gonna let my fandom intrude upon my logical assesments either.

As far as Alexís statement goes, I donít question his experience one bit, but I know itís easy to be generous when times are good, but itís a real sign of character to be fair and honest when times are not so good.

To answer your question, truth is determined by a personís ethical compass. Mine puts integrity first, last and always.
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Not to flame the fans, but none of this ^^^ has any bearing. I have my own experiences to draw from, but since they're irrelevant, I left them out.

Eddie isn't some rock an roll punk. He survived a number of careers in the industry as a sideman, some he failed at before launch (Yes), but his integrity seemed to be at the root of all his motivations. He has had a remarkable award winning career in the jingle industry, so I'm guessing he knows more than a bit about making sure he fulfills his end of the bargain. As this is the first allegation of this kind against him in a 50 year career, I feel compelled to wait and see.

As for John's health, John battled a lot before the cancer, including a heart attack. I believe Eddie was part of that recovery, at least careerwise.

Or he could be a villain. Gotta wait and see.
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#2980004 - 03/13/19 03:12 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
To answer your question, truth is determined by a personís ethical compass. Mine puts integrity first, last and always.

False. This may establish oneís belief but in no way does it determine truth.

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#2980052 - 03/14/19 03:00 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: o0Ampy0o]
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Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
To answer your question, truth is determined by a personís ethical compass. Mine puts integrity first, last and always.

False. This may establish oneís belief but in no way does it determine truth.


This is getting far afield, but Iím sorry to tell you youre dead wrong. What you are espousing is moral relativism ie ďwhatever is right for YOU is right.Ē Dead wrong.
My moral compass is soley determined by this:
Whatever causes harm to anotherís soverign being is wrong.
End of story.
Morality and integrity are not subject to a sliding scale.


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/14/19 03:03 AM)
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#2980085 - 03/14/19 08:52 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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So..... what does your moral compass say to you about impugning someone's reputation based on a lawsuit filed by a NON party (for the purposes of this discussion, only Eddie and John were parties)?

Your stated moral compass (Whatever causes harm to anotherís soverign being is wrong.) would seem to indicate that in theory your diatribe and conviction of Eddie before the facts are known is in fact wrong.

SO if there's no sliding scale, is there where you recant??

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#2980087 - 03/14/19 09:06 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002

Whatever causes harm to anotherís soverign being is wrong.
End of story.
Morality and integrity are not subject to a sliding scale.

Some people are clearly "worse" than other people, even if none are perfect... which sounds like a sliding scale to me. There are also complications about agreeing on what is "harm", and situations where it is impossible to avoid harm, though you may be able to choose what you believe to be the lesser harm, where again, people may differ. The fact that what's right and wrong can't be summed up in nine words is why there are philosophy courses. ;-) Are you familiar with a TV series "The Good Place"? Good show. The current storyline basically revolves around the fact that it is getting harder and harder to be a good person, because it seems that every decision we make, no matter how well intentioned, ends up having some kind of negative consequence for someone else. This is getting way OT, and really can't even be discussed here in any depth anyway because, by its nature, a conversation on this topic will almost certainly venture into religion and/or politics. But it's a good show. Gets a little weak in the second season, but comes back.
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#2980089 - 03/14/19 09:11 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Tonysounds]
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A friend of mine has an interesting saying: In an argument, there are three truths, my truth, your truth, and THE truth. Without getting into the semantics of the word truth (specially since in Portuguese the word in colloquial use looses some of the meaning), is that there's always 3 sides. Most often no one is fully right nor fully wrong. I aim to be humble and listen, even if I fail at times.
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#2980142 - 03/14/19 04:00 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: Tonysounds]
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Originally Posted By: Tonysounds
So..... what does your moral compass say to you about impugning someone's reputation based on a lawsuit filed by a NON party (for the purposes of this discussion, only Eddie and John were parties)?

Your stated moral compass (Whatever causes harm to anotherís soverign being is wrong.) would seem to indicate that in theory your diatribe and conviction of Eddie before the facts are known is in fact wrong.

SO if there's no sliding scale, is there where you recant??

I love philosophy.


My assesment of this situation is simply that my BS detector went off the charts when I heard about this lawsuit.
If you do gigs, recordings, tours, etc, you get paid, simple as that.
In NO other profession but the arts, do people think they can not pay somebody!
.... In this case Iím not as much equating ďpeopleĒ with EJ as much as I am saying the buck stops with the bandleader. If the promoter doesnít pay it becomes the bandleaderís respoonsibilty that sidemen donít go home empty handed..

Again, in ALL my posts on this subject Iíve said ď I hope Iím wrongĒ or ďI hope Iím proven wrongĒ!

But another claim on the Wetton site is that Eddie stopped responding to communication with John and his management.

Thatís NOT a good sign.
It would appear that the case of Wetton estate is most plausible at this point.
If new evidence comes to light showing otherwise, Iím happy to accept it!

As to your opening question, the estate and management are speaking for John, since he is not here to speak for himself.
This is a posthumous recovery case (duh) and when recovery is involved, advocates are used.


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/14/19 04:15 PM)
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#2980166 - 03/14/19 08:23 PM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
...you are espousing is moral relativism ie ďwhatever is right for YOU is right.Ē...

Nope. I pointed to your moral relativism, funny you should think of it.

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
...My assesment of this situation is simply that my BS detector went off the charts when I heard about this lawsuit....

Truth determined by jimost2002's "BS detector" .....uh huh.

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#2980186 - 03/15/19 03:26 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: o0Ampy0o]
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Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
...you are espousing is moral relativism ie ďwhatever is right for YOU is right.Ē...

Nope. I pointed to your moral relativism, funny you should think of it.

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
...My assesment of this situation is simply that my BS detector went off the charts when I heard about this lawsuit....

Truth determined by jimost2002's "BS detector" .....uh huh.


Exactly how do YOU define ďmoral relativismĒ?
Letís hear it....I havent seen YOUR understanding of the definition stated here. Iíve clearly stated my understanding here.
Also, Iíve said Iím comparing whatís documented in this lawsuit so far against my own experiences and that of trusted colleagues in a 32 year career as a gigging professional musician.
For the umpteenth time, Iíve said I hope to be proven wrong as things shake out in this lawsuit.
It clearly sounds like youíre butthurt because I called one of your heroís actions and motives into question on a forum.
Just for the record, Iíll call it like I see it and that rule applies to ANYBODY in my profession.
It helps to read EVERYTHING Iíve posted here in itís proper context before you hit ďsubmitĒ

A note to the forum moderators:

I truly hope my comments are within forum guidelines.
I truly am doing my best to keep it civil, but I do have to call out logical inconsistenties and flabby reasoning. I donít suffer those things gladly, but I am mindful of the parametrs of public discourse.



Edited by jimkost2002 (03/15/19 07:34 AM)
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#2980202 - 03/15/19 05:55 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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To those of you taking a neutral position on this subject:
Many of you guys have day jobs, right?
What would YOU do or how would YOU feel if you worked for x amount of weeks or months on a project (or at your regular job) and DIDNT GET PAID?
Would you be so quick to be neutral, egalitarian or to take the employerís side?


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/15/19 05:58 AM)
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#2980205 - 03/15/19 06:40 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
To those of you taking a neutral position on this subject:
Many of you guys have day jobs, right?
What would YOU do or how would YOU feel if you worked for x amount of weeks or months on a project (or at your regular job) and DIDNT GET PAID?
Would you be so quick to be neutral, egalitarian or to take the employerís side?


Sorry Jim, thats a faulty comparison . And most analogies, comparisons tend to be apples/oranges.

This kind of business/legal issue tends to be incomplete in the world of public opinion.
It appears we are only seeing the first volley in court.

More details will eventually come out. Or the 2 parties will settle confidentially out of court. Or the estate might prevail. Hard to predict.

This is why many are suggesting a wait and see attitude. You are entitled to your opinion, no argument on that.
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#2980216 - 03/15/19 07:47 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
To those of you taking a neutral position on this subject:
Many of you guys have day jobs, right?
What would YOU do or how would YOU feel if you worked for x amount of weeks or months on a project (or at your regular job) and DIDNT GET PAID?
Would you be so quick to be neutral, egalitarian or to take the employerís side?


Sorry Jim, thats a faulty comparison . And most analogies, comparisons tend to be apples/oranges.

This kind of business/legal issue tends to be incomplete in the world of public opinion.
It appears we are only seeing the first volley in court.

More details will eventually come out. Or the 2 parties will settle confidentially out of court. Or the estate might prevail. Hard to predict.

This is why many are suggesting a wait and see attitude. You are entitled to your opinion, no argument on that.


How EXACTLY is it a faulty comparison, Greg?
Iím sorry, but you cant just state its faulty and leave it at that.

An employer, whether it be a band leader or corporation, contracts an employee to perform services for said employer in exchange for an agreed upon compensation.
If the employee doesnít get paid, the employer is in breach of said contract.
Itís simple.

By the way, I am NOT asking you to RELINQUISH your neutral position, but to examine your position in respect to how it might change if YOU were the party out 45k, plus royalty and merch residuals.

One more thing: I have consistently stated the position of the Wetton estate SOUNDS more plusible in light of my own decades long experience in this business and this fact seems to be lost here. I just call BS on it and wll continue to do so.


Edited by jimkost2002 (03/15/19 08:07 AM)
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#2980220 - 03/15/19 08:38 AM Re: Law suit between John Wetton's estate, and Eddie Jobson [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
To those of you taking a neutral position on this subject:
Many of you guys have day jobs, right?
What would YOU do or how would YOU feel if you worked for x amount of weeks or months on a project (or at your regular job) and DIDNT GET PAID?
Would you be so quick to be neutral, egalitarian or to take the employerís side?


You're arguing the wrong point.

My neutral is based on the fact that I don't have the information to judge. Paraphrasing my earlier comment, there's John's estate version, EJ's version, and the truth lies somewhere in between. People outside the process are just throwing shit on the fan since they don't have enough information to judge.

Of course I want to get paid (and I always have), and I can guarantee I've always treated people fairly and gotten out of my way to make sure people get paid even if intermediates in a contracting process f**k up (happened several times).

I deal with multi million dollar contracts as part of my job (I could add about USD 5 Billion that we under my responsibility without much effort, with > 100.000 people involved ), and I've seen all extremes. People getting screwed and not being able to defend themselves, people being wrong and still trying to screw the other, people being right and still being screwed because of a judge's decision (very typical here - judges like to favor the little guys while me, representing the american multinational company get ruled over because I'm a big capitalist pig screwing over the poor guy who can't defend himself), and on and on and on and on....

Again, no one here, unless they are directly involved, and if they are, they should keep their mouths shut until it's resolved, know enough to say for sure who's right and who's wrong.
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