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#2975118 - 02/11/19 12:30 PM Going price for nice B3s now?
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I maybe in a position to acquire one to bring to the UK and am wondering what the rate is for a living room condition B3? And some trustworthy shops in the US as Ill be buying sight unseen essentially.
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#2975143 - 02/11/19 02:17 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Gary75]
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Buy from the midwest if you can, where organs are more plentiful and cheaper. Expect to pay a 25% or more premium if it is located on the coast.

Prices are down a bit these days. Expect to pay $3k for a nice B-3 and $1.5k for a nice leslie from the midwest.
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#2975152 - 02/11/19 03:15 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: mate stubb]
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The supply of B-3's is becoming less from what I am seeing.

There are ZERO B-3's on Craigslist in major west coast cities right now. Unless you want to pay 10K in L.A.

Leslies are also becoming more scarce.

There had been a run on them for a while when Craigslist started 10 or so years ago, but that has changed from what I am seeing.

Anyone who cares to report CL listings, be my guest. Good luck finding that " living room" B-3 for 3 grand.

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#2975153 - 02/11/19 03:19 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Gary75]
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Originally Posted By: Gary75
I maybe in a position to acquire one to bring to the UK and am wondering what the rate is for a living room condition B3? And some trustworthy shops in the US as Ill be buying sight unseen essentially.


would never do a sight unseen purchase for that sum of money on a used thing.

if it was a $50 purchase, not a big deal.

If you find a private party selling or even some type of dealer, suggest you find someone knowledgeable on this forum to give it a good going over.
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#2975154 - 02/11/19 03:23 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Buy from the midwest if you can, where organs are more plentiful and cheaper.


regardless of price, this is good advice. Another forum member in Australia just purchased one from the state of Michigan. Good luck with your search

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2974682/Airfreight_a_Hammond#Post2974682
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#2975155 - 02/11/19 03:26 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: GregC]
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1962 B-3, 122 Lansing Michigan CL.

$6900.

The market seems to be changing.....

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#2975157 - 02/11/19 03:29 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: LX88]
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maybe, that's why I posted regardless of price. If that's the going rate in the Midwest, certainly they will be more expensive on the coasts.
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#2975161 - 02/11/19 03:40 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: davedoerfler]
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While I don't know much about b3s, I have read that the USA models do not function in Europe / Britain because of different voltage and cycles per second (Hz). Check that out before you import a USA Hammond to Britain.
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#2975164 - 02/11/19 04:02 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: MIDI Rack-Man]
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Sure you can find them for cheap on CL, but 99.99% of the sellers won't deal with an international customer period. Dealers will be MUCH higher, regardless of location.

Here's a nice one in the Seattle area with Leslie for $3,000.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/d/woodinville-hammond-b3-and-leslie-147rv/6813829345.html

Here's another one, MINT with PR40 speaker and 122 Leslie speaker, for $8,500.
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/msg/d/seattle-hammond-b3/6809294676.html

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#2975165 - 02/11/19 04:03 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: burningbusch]
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#2975169 - 02/11/19 04:10 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: MIDI Rack-Man]
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I just sold a '59 B-3, living room quality, plus a 142 leslie (a road beater but fully functional) for $3500.

Those deals are still out there...
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#2975183 - 02/11/19 05:28 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Gary75]
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Agree 100% with the comment that most sellers won't deal with international customers. Scammers are way too common and so people might not even give you a chance.

That said, I live in the Midwest, in MN. I see a lot of A-100s around on Craigslist. Not a ton of B3s. Church organs are incredibly rare.

Here's what's around MN right now:

A-100 in a BV cabinet - Fargo ND

B3 w/ 122, slightly worn outer case, Twin Cities

C2, Roseville

A-100 with 22H, upgraded internally to 122 specs - Hurley, WI

C2 plus smooth drawbars and Trek II percussion - Duluth, MN


Other models with other tabs in addition to drawbars are around. Tons of spinets, an M3 too.




Edited by Mighty Motif Max (02/11/19 05:31 PM)
Edit Reason: Added Duluth modified C2
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#2975196 - 02/11/19 07:02 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max[url=https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/msg/d/fargo-hammond-organ-hybrid/6804324548.html
A-100 in a BV cabinet - Fargo ND


A 100 in a BV cabinet with pedals and bench for US $1100.00. How can you not like that? Try buying a bench and pedals alone and see what that will cost you.
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#2975247 - 02/12/19 12:23 AM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: davedoerfler]
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Yes ideally Id want someone with knowledge to check one over for contacts, internally etc.

As for shipping, Id assume Id NEED to deal with an organ company that provides that service as a private seller will not get involved in that process.

240v B3s are like hens teeth over here as they were never assembled here I believe and were special order. Although having said that I know two chaps local that have 240v B3s

The truth is that I have a nice C3, it has sentimental attachment as it brought about a lot of joy when I was in poor health as a youngster. Im being asked to sell it but I would only do so to get a B3 for the home. But to get a B3 for the home, rightly or wrongly Id need to fork out a lot more than for a C3. My pricing is based on the acquisition of a B3 as that is all I would contemplate selling my C3 for.
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#2975305 - 02/12/19 08:01 AM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Gary75]
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Be careful of "counterfeits". The "French Poodle" A-100 case is a popular one to scavenge from as no rock musician would be seen with that case. A-100 is same electronically as B-3. Transfer A-100 guts to an older B case (like B-2), and they sell it as a "B-3".

You're not likely to find that in a living room, but beware otherwise.

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#2975313 - 02/12/19 08:42 AM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
1962 B-3, 122 Lansing Michigan CL.

$6900.

The market seems to be changing.....


It's a decent year but that is too much.
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#2975343 - 02/12/19 10:51 AM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: The Real MC
A-100 is same electronically as B-3. Transfer A-100 guts to an older B case (like B-2), and they sell it as a "B-3".

I'm trying to understand why this would make a difference. The A-100 is electronically the same as a B-3. And if someone stuck an A-100 into a B2 case, how really is that different than if it sits in a B3 case. The logical response is going to be that an A-100 sells for $1500 and a B-3 has more value, probably double. My response is that I wouldn't pay double for the B-3 to begin with, in fact I would pay no more for a B-3 than an A100, AND in fact I paid $500 for my B3/122 and my B-3 is in pristine condition (9 out of 10) while my leslie is 7 out of 10, also mechanically it has zero issues. For all I know my B3 might have A100 guts, or replacement parts from an A100, who knows and I don't think that I care, and I'm thinking that I'm not in the complete minority.....
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#2975349 - 02/12/19 11:03 AM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Delaware Dave]
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A franken organ, or "counterfeit" as MC puts it, is an interesting phenomenon. Electrically and functionally identical to the original, as long as the transfer wasn't botched.

You are really paying extra for the B-3 case. As long as the instrument isn't sold at a premium and being presented as a pristine from the factory organ, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, it's an inexpensive way to get a B-3 if someone knows what they are doing.

I've had B-3s with worn manuals freshened by swapping in lightly used A-100 manuals, and they play fantastically (watch for the foam tho..)

Just present it for what it is when you sell it, and everybody will be happy.
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#2975369 - 02/12/19 12:41 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: mate stubb]
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Add one comment about the motor: The US and some other countries use 115 volt ac at 60 hz (cycles per second). Most European countries use not only 220 volt but also 50 Hz. Not sure what Australia uses.
The voltage part can be handled fairly easy with a step down transformer, but that does NO good with the frequency difference.

The motor is a "synchronous" motor - meaning that (as long as it has close enough to normal voltage to pull the load and not so much as to damage it), the voltage can vary a bit without problem.

However, the 60Hz motor will only run at 5/6 of normal speed when driven by 50 Hz energy. This will cause all notes to be lowered in pitch by 1/6, which is quite noticeable.

Originally B3 and similar that were produced for the 220v/50Hz market either used different motors or a pully chain that corrected the RPM of the motor for normal pitch. There are also some electronic devices that can do that (using a circuit that generated power at the desired frequency).
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#2975378 - 02/12/19 01:21 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: MoodyBluesKeys]
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#2975409 - 02/12/19 03:01 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Jon G]
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#2975431 - 02/12/19 07:06 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: MoodyBluesKeys]
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Originally Posted By: MoodyBluesKeys
The US and some other countries use 115 volt ac at 60 hz (cycles per second). Most European countries use not only 220 volt but also 50 Hz. Not sure what Australia uses.


Australia and New Zealand have 230 V, 50 Hz.

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#2975439 - 02/12/19 07:40 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Paul Harrison]
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And if someone stuck an A-100 into a B2 case, how really is that different than if it sits in a B3 case.


The vast majority of B3s were manufactured with a five-piece fallboard. B2s were manufactured four-piece curved fallboards. Also, there is no cover on the back of an A100 expression pedal.

(Hey, you asked)


Edited by WesG (02/12/19 07:41 PM)
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#2976561 - 02/19/19 02:07 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Gary75]
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Here's a new one that popped up a few minutes ago. Not sure what model/condition as I'm NOT a Hammond expert by *any* means at all.

Best offer. Vintage Hammond Organ - Hastings, MN
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#2976575 - 02/19/19 03:28 PM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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That's a B3. It'll need work, but looks like it has really good bones.
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#2976632 - Yesterday at 04:59 AM Re: Going price for nice B3s now? [Re: WesG]
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You wonder how many of these are sitting around out there?
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