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Amazing new Video of Casio PX-S3000 #2974276 02/07/19 03:39 PM
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NEW VIDEO OUT TODAY 2/7/2019.

1. JAZZ SOLOING at 0:44 (single note blowing with Steve Weingart Duo)

2. Clean tone "Fender Rhodes Suitcase" at 3:22 (single note blowing with Larry Dunn of EWF)



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Re: Amazing new Video of Casio PX-S3000 [Re: Jazz+] #2974278 02/07/19 03:44 PM
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Thanks,
We have hours of video we're still sorting through which does include plenty of rhodes which I know you're waiting to hear. We had a zoom recorder just running most of the time so about 15 hours of audio to line up with our video footage.

Expect a new video every couple days.

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Sounds good !

I could not play standing up though, especially Rhapsody in Blue... cry

Re: Amazing new Video of Casio PX-S3000 [Re: Mike Martin] #2974281 02/07/19 03:46 PM
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Larry Dunn from Earth Wind and Fire !!!!!!!

Mike, I am blown away how good the clean tone Rhodes with Larry Dunn of EWF sounds. The high notes seem to set a new standard, no mosquitoes up there. That video should win a marketing award, I am so sold. I have pre-ordered.


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Notice how different the bright piano Steve Weingart plays sounds compared to the piano Nick Smith and Kristian Terzic play which sounds more woody. Maybe it's the way they recorded it or is it different Tone selections?


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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Notice how different the bright piano Steve Weingart plays sounds compared to the piano Nick Smith and Kristan Terzic play which sounds more woody. Maybe it's the way they recorded it or is it different Tone selections?


More than likely Steve was using the main "concert grand" - in fact I think most of them were using that except Tom Brislin who would switch it to the brighter "Stage Piano" preset.

In some of the upcoming clips you'll hear some of the nuance stuff is turned up (like pedal noise) to a really high level. We couldn't hear it that way with all the noise from NAMM but you can turn it up too much. Again more audio/video to come.

Kristian Terzic did use some EPs in a number of his songs and was able to spend a little time customizing them so you'll hear more of those. The clip from Larry was clipped unfortunately but you'll hear more soon.

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The Grand Piano really sounds at its best in the hands of Nick Smith (Stanley Clark, Kenny Garrett) at 1:13 , imo.

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Impressive keyboard. Impressive video. Im looking forward to playing it. Hopefully, theyll have one at the local GC soon. Great work Casio!

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Very, very nice! Looking forward to the forthcoming videos (with fingers crossed for some Wurli action).

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I still don't get jazz. ;-)

But this action looks really nice. I'm looking at the responsiveness of the keys as the people play... the keys appear to come back quickly without excessive bounce, and runs that you expect to sound evenly do sound even. You don't see anyone hitting keys that don't sound, or keys that sound too quietly or pop out too loudly compared to other notes in a run, controllability seems good. While I thought the previous generation Privia action was really strong for its weight and price, I didn't think it controlled its own piano sounds as well as the new one seems to.

I have issues with the sounds, but I probably have issues with the sounds of everything else in its price range, too. ;-) The overall piano tone is fine, but I think the rate of decay is too quick (a perennial Privia issue). A good example is the passage that stars at about 2:40. The sound of his right hand firmly hit landing notes/chords quickly "disappears" to the point where you can hardly hear them continuing to ring over the LH motif. I'll be curious to find out if the more editable 3000 has a parameter to improve this.

As for the Rhodes, I didn't hear enough dynamic variation, no sense of bark where I would have expected some on his more heavily struck notes. I don't think these are PX5S or hexlayer calibre EPs. But those are still higher priced models, and this EP might compare perfectly well to other 88s at its price. One does have to keep one's expectations in perspective. ;-)


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At 2:40 Tom Breslin (Yes) is using the Stage Piano patch, not the main Piano... sustain is good when Nick Smith plays the main Concert Grand at 1:13 .

I doubt Larry Dunn of Earth Wind and Fire was going for Rhodes bark in that moment. He obviously would want a clean tone Rhodes sound. Bark is for gritty stuff. Clean tone is where it's at with Herbie, Chick, and George D. I personally don't have much use for a lot of "bark" and Rhodes is my main sound. My Mojo 61 already barks too much and too easily, imo

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+

At 2:40 is that new age Breslin guy


wow, never heard Tom Breslin described as "new age". Always thought of him as a prog rock guy. idk


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I corrected my post, Tom Brislin is not new age, sorry.

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Brislin used to write for KB Mag, I think. He's been in some big-time prog rock bands, and is quoting the 9/8 solo section of the beloved Kansas prog rock epic, Song for America (he's their KB player now).

The section noted starts around 5:40 or so:



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Originally Posted By: timwat
Brislin used to write for KB Mag, I think.


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He's been in some big-time prog rock bands

how's Yes for one? smile

Jazz+ meant well, he just didn't know


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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
sustain is good when Nick Smith plays the main Concert Grand at 1:13.

How can you tell? He barely holds any note for more than a quarter of a second.

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I doubt Larry Dunn of Earth Wind and Fire was going for Rhodes bark in that moment. He obviously would want a clean tone Rhodes sound. Bark is for gritty stuff. Clean tone is where it's at with Herbie, Chick, and George D. I personally don't have much use for a lot of "bark" and Rhodes is my main sound.

Like I said, I don't get jazz. ;-) But as you hit the keys harder, a real Rhodes will start having some bark at a certain point no matter what style you're playing. To me, his strikes at 3:42 seem like I should be hearing some bark. Regardless, I'd like to hear something barkier in there, whether a different preset or an editable parameter.


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Ok, its actually the Decay portion that I can hear has improved over my last years digital piano model where the Attack is more exposed. The new one sounds smoother for jazz blowing, the hammer attack is less pronounced, its more horn like, the notes are more flowing.

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
the hammer attack is less pronounced


this has been what has always turned me off from sampled/modeled ep's, whether a ROMpler or software, too much emphasis on the attack. Sounds unnatural to me. Hopefully it is now corrected.


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Nice share. The action seems to have piano-like responsiveness visually and in the timbre variations it generates. I can't wait to play one.


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I'd say that's a respectable rhodes sound for this price range, but not really punching above its weight. I agree with Scott that it lacks the dynamics range of the better rhodes emulations, but some people won't mind that at all.

What would separate this from the crowd would be a good action in a 25 lb board, so it's encouraging to hear reports to that effect. I'd like to see a 73-key version, that would probably have me buying my first Casio.


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Very impressive Indeec, Mike!
....I think this might be the busking/casual instrument I have been looking for.....
And at this price point!


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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Ok, its actually the Decay portion that I can hear has improved over my last years digital piano model where the Attack is more exposed. The new one sounds smoother for jazz blowing, the hammer attack is less pronounced, its more horn like, the notes are more flowing.

Ah, yes, a similar but not identical issue. Though related, in that I think a more pronounced attack can make the quick subsequent decay even more apparent. Anyway, I had the same issue when I got my PX-5S (as did others), and Mike tweaked the sound and posted a download to address both that and the velocity jumpiness I discussed earlier. It's at http://www.casiomusicforums.com/index.php?/files/file/5-pianoaltatk/ in case anyone here with a PX5S wants to check it out. I found it to be a noticeable improvement.

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the hammer attack is less pronounced


this has been what has always turned me off from sampled/modeled ep's, whether a ROMpler or software, too much emphasis on the attack.

We were talking about APs here. Did you really mean EPs? Unlike APs where there are numerous variables (including the microphones being used and how they're placed), EPs would typically be sampled directly through their outputs, so I don't see how their attacks could be any more/differently pronounced than when playing the real thing (not counting specialty samples where they could have done things like modify the hammers or otherwise unusually process the sound). The only thing I can think of is that EPs were often recorded through compressors or played through tube amps which can also compress, so maybe that's the sound you expect, and you should try applying some compression to your EPs?


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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Grand Piano really sounds at its best in the hands of Nick Smith (Stanley Clark, Kenny Garrett) at 1:13 , imo.


He is playing the default piano on the PX-S1000.

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That's a blowing Rhodes patch with Larry Dunn at 3:22. High notes that come through for you. It's not about a studio beauty with nuances, for blowing it's about the fat. With my real 1982 Rhodes Suitcase 88 when playing live I did not hear nuances. It didn't produce all the noticeable nuances you get in today's primo virtual Rhodes. My real Rhodes was rather uniform and dull in tone, and it didn't bark much if at all. Didn't want it to.

Here's Herbie Hancock clean tone Rhodes starting at 2:10. Where is the bark in the blowing? Not much is there. He has a fairly uniform tone. I think some of you have a different idea about how a jazz Rhodes should sound like. Check Bill Evan Rhodes blowing, very even tone, no bark. But it's fat and clean.

Now high note sparkle and "clink" when you dig in to the high notes is nice, but again my real Rhodes didn't do it much if at all.

Based on the demo of the Casio at 3:22 with Larry Dunn, I hear it will be fine for live blowing, imo.
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
.Check Bill Evan Rhodes blowing, very even tone, no bark. But it's fat and clean.


never heard that before, thanks for posting. twothumbs


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All of the vids are super impressive, with some major animals playing the boards. Its gonna be different when a putz like me sits down smile


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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
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That's a blowing Rhodes patch with Larry Dunn at 3:22. High notes that come through for you. It's not about a studio beauty with nuances, for blowing it's about the fat. With my real 1982 Rhodes Suitcase 88 when playing live I did not hear nuances. It didn't produce all the noticeable nuances you get in today's primo virtual Rhodes. My real Rhodes was rather uniform and dull in tone, and it didn't bark much if at all. Didn't want it to.

Here's Herbie Hancock clean tone Rhodes starting at 2:10. Where is the bark in the blowing? Not much is there. He has a fairly uniform tone. I think some of you have a different idea about how a jazz Rhodes should sound like. Check Bill Evan Rhodes blowing, very even tone, no bark. But it's fat and clean.

Now high note sparkle and "clink" when you dig in to the high notes is nice, but again my real Rhodes didn't do it much if at all.

Based on the demo of the Casio at 3:22 with Larry Dunn, I hear it will be fine for live blowing, imo.
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Jazz+, it is my experience that there are MANY ingredients comprising the Rhodes tone we hear in these classic recordings. The condition/maintenance of the piano used, how its amplification is miked or whether its fed direct into the console... or some combination thereof.
I know with my VV, I can get ANY combination of smooth or bark. And it starts with my touch. But thats only because of the genius of Chris Carroll, Fred DeLeone and the VV team. The Rhodes pianos that come through their shop have those same attributes. As do those at Ken Rich or CEPco.

But I digress, these video examples from NAMM are the best sounding EPs I have heard from Casio and I look forward to playing one upon release.


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But I digress, these video examples from NAMM are the best sounding EPs I have heard from Casio and I look forward to playing one upon release.

It's funny, my experience with Casio EPs has been all over the place. I really liked their earliest Privia Rhodes sound, which I had in the PX-500L (I believe it was also in the CDP-100). Then I got the next generation, the PX-310, and I thought that Rhodes sound was terrible! (But that one had a great Wurli sound, which the earlier model did not.) I also didn't like the Rhodes in the PX-x30, or x50 models, IIRC. But Rhodes was better again in the PX-3S, PX-5S, and PX-560. The PX-5S also had the downloadable Dave Weiser EPs, which I read are also coming to the PX560. The "Steve Weingart Rhodes" is also available on the PX-5S and PX560. So really, eval of Casio Rhodes sounds can really change on a model-by-model basis!


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Mike Martin , I was wondering if there are any videos of the S3000 or the s 1000 being played through its internal speakers or through a mixer and speakers to hear what they would sound like in a live situation , I also posted this on the other Casio page ,thanks .

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I believe a number of the live at NAMM videos in the other thread, reveal the on-board speakers in that wild audio environment.


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