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#2973999 - 02/05/19 05:14 PM Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass
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Say what you will about the man and his productions, this is some friggin pocket.

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#2974000 - 02/05/19 05:27 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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David Foster is best known for producing Pop records but back in the 1970s, he was a gigging musician in a band called "Skykark".

They wrote a nugget of a song titled "Wildflower". IMO, the best version of that song was recorded by New Birth.

But yeah, David Foster was a dawg on keys before he turned into the Krispy Kreme man. laughcool
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#2974004 - 02/05/19 05:57 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: ProfD]
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Yep,,,, check out The Symphony Sessions,, David Foster at his finest,,

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#2974009 - 02/05/19 06:50 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: TommyS]
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Originally Posted By: TommyS
Yep,,,, check out The Symphony Sessions,, David Foster at his finest,,


How many keyboards have used a sequence of that Olympics tune as a built-in demo?

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#2974035 - 02/05/19 10:19 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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His is my favorite version of Carol of the Bells for sure. Then Mannheim Steamroller.
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#2974038 - 02/05/19 10:52 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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It’s hard to disrepect highly skilled pop craftsmanship, but I never forgave him from turning Chicago, my favorite band of my 1970s youth, into Air Supply.

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#2974068 - 02/06/19 08:12 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Mark Zeger]
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Chicago begged him to do it and they had no problem cashing the checks.

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#2974070 - 02/06/19 08:22 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Mitch Towne]
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Originally Posted By: Mitch Towne
Chicago begged him to do it and they had no problem cashing the checks.


Well, not the horn players in Chicago, if we're being accurate. snax
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#2974072 - 02/06/19 08:30 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Mark Zeger]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Zeger
It’s hard to disrepect highly skilled pop craftsmanship, but I never forgave him from turning Chicago, my favorite band of my 1970s youth, into Air Supply.
Yeah that's about the size of it.
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#2974073 - 02/06/19 08:31 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Sven Golly]
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Love him or hate him, the man’s got mad skills.

I agree with the Chicago thing. I love that band up until Chicago VIII. But yeah, they needed hits and hits they got with his Midas, albeit wonder-bread bland, touch.
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#2974081 - 02/06/19 09:18 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Ian Benhamou]
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Yes, I agree he has the skills. And much of his music to me is bland. But he is 69 and engaged to Katherine McPhee, so what do I know? Bring on, the cheese. I think it maybe time to start using my FM EP patches.


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#2974088 - 02/06/19 09:54 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Toano88]
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Bill Champlin said he is a beast on keys.
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#2974102 - 02/06/19 11:06 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Outkaster]
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I think you might need to revisit Chicago 16. Those chord changes and modulations are anything but “bland.”

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#2974105 - 02/06/19 11:23 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Mitch Towne]
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Yeah I mean he got them all together and remembered half their music that they didn't. Whether or not you like the finished product he did give Chicago a shot in the arm. He does admit in retrospect he might have softened their sound too much but to have a second coming when the band was in their mid to late 30's was pretty amazing at that time.
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#2974111 - 02/06/19 11:41 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Outkaster]
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Lol, this thread went about how I expected it would.

Let's just say that anyone who learns from Tommy Banks and Ronnie Hawkins can't be all bad. Svengle 'em if you don't know.
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#2974124 - 02/06/19 12:35 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
Lol, this thread went about how I expected it would.



WAIT WAIT! I haven't had a chance to pile on yet!


This is your band:




This is your band on David Foster:

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#2974137 - 02/06/19 02:00 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: mate stubb]
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I just hope everyone who's chimed in actually watched the video and appreciates the beauty of a p-h-a-t Moog bassline on a pop swing track like that. laugh snax hitt
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#2974140 - 02/06/19 02:09 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
I just hope everyone who's chimed in actually watched the video and appreciates the beauty of a p-h-a-t Moog bassline on a pop swing track like that. laugh snax hitt


While I'll admit that I'm sometimes guilty of letting my distaste for some of his cheesier pop output color my perceptions of his undeniable skills, it's hard for me to say I'm sorry.

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#2974141 - 02/06/19 02:11 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Josh Paxton]
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Once you've been hurt like that, it's hard to trust again. I understand.
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#2974145 - 02/06/19 02:19 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Badass video, thanks for sharing. I was (and still am) a fan of Foster, mostly around his soundtrack work.

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#2974146 - 02/06/19 02:22 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
Once you've been hurt like that, it's hard to trust again.


You learn to live with it, but I don't want to.

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#2974155 - 02/06/19 03:45 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Josh Paxton]
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it's hard for me to say I'm sorry.


He's a hard habit to break. hitt
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#2974156 - 02/06/19 04:00 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
I just hope everyone who's chimed in actually watched the video and appreciates the beauty of a p-h-a-t Moog bassline on a pop swing track like that. laugh snax hitt

I did. I dig it.

Now, we join our Chicago rant, already in progress.

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#2974157 - 02/06/19 04:12 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: eric]
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It must be nice to have three soulful lead vocalists in band....

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#2974182 - 02/06/19 09:06 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
Lol, this thread went about how I expected it would.

Now Eric, you've been here long enough to realize that the more time that you spend with old folks, the more you will need to develop a sense of patience. smile

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#2974188 - 02/07/19 12:45 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
Originally Posted By: Mitch Towne
Chicago begged him to do it and they had no problem cashing the checks.


Well, not the horn players in Chicago, if we're being accurate. snax


And yet...............they still ca$hed them, didn't they. They just moan(ed) about it afterwards a lot.

To be fair, listening to those two huge Foster-produced 80's albums (16 & 17) is funny - most of the time the horn section is either doing nothing (or probably playing synths, if I remember correctly) and when they do appear it sounds really forced. Like Foster felt pressure to add a horn lick here and there so it didn't sound completely like a Peter Cetera solo album just yet.

I'm a sucker for 70's and 80's L.A. AOR / "yacht rock" type of stuff so all that is alright with me.

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#2974189 - 02/07/19 12:50 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Outkaster]
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Originally Posted By: Outkaster
Bill Champlin said he is a beast on keys.


Foster became a major part of the L.A. "wrecking crew" along with all the guys from Toto, guys like Champlin, Tom Scott, Phillinganes, Jerry Hey, Larry Williams etc. and especially Jay Graydon who I think was his writing/producing partner as well.

I recommend checking out Discogs for the stuff he just played keyboards on, before he became the mega-producer he became. Most of the time he's found on sessions with the same guys mentioned above on stuff like Quincy Jones' albums.

Plus, without him we probably wouldn't have "FosterPno" as a preset or an entity, really... laugh

ALSO - he has written some incredible songs. Just listen to the chord harmony and the rhythm arrangement on this. It's as far from bland as you can get (if you get past Loggins).

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#2974251 - 02/07/19 08:59 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: BRW]
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I remember his name mainly from his credits on Lee Ritenour's 1981 album "Rit", where he produced and played keyboards on some of the songs.

But I suspect the line-up on that album was a typical "L.A. Wrecking Crew" affair... in fact Ritenour himself classifies as such as musician, in league with many of those names mentioned by BRW.
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#2974259 - 02/07/19 09:43 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Originally Posted By: MAJUSCULE
Say what you will about the man and his productions, this is some friggin pocket.
I finally took a minute to listen. cool thu
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#2974263 - 02/07/19 09:51 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: synthizen2]
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Wow, that Kenny Loggins track is just spectacular. Might cop a few changes from that.
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#2974270 - 02/07/19 10:10 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Toano88]
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But he is 69 and engaged to Katherine McPhee, so what do I know?


Enough said. Thread closed.
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#2974442 - 02/07/19 11:02 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: gg22]
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Don’t hate the man for being so good at ballads. There’s a reason he was so in demand for that sound back in the day. Nobody did it better. cool I studied his arrangements quite a bit for a while when I was learning to write and arrange pop ballads.

Although he obviously has the golden touch for that stye, there’s a lot more to his musicianship, as mentioned earlier. A few of my personal faves of his include Winter Games, Carol Of The Bells (I play his version of that every Christmas Midnight Mass at my church), Flight of the Snowbirds, Morning To Morning from his Symphony Sessions album. Not to mention the songs he co-wrote and produced for Earth, Wind & Fire, Al Jarreau, The Tubes, John Parr...

I guess you could say he’s like the DX7 of keyboardist/producers - He’s capable of a wide variety, but he’s known mostly for that one sound... laugh
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#2974447 - 02/08/19 12:20 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Bucktunes]
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I guess you could say he’s like the DX7 of keyboardist/producers - He’s capable of a wide variety, but he’s known mostly for that one sound... laugh


Now THAT is an apt comparison! laugh cheers
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#2974456 - 02/08/19 05:11 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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If you live on the presumption that the highest grade (usually very well known in the day) musicians prepared their tracks and mixes for later processing, the whole idea drastically changes. For instance, those Chicago tracks clearly contain let's call it musical DNA that could be brought out digitally, but seldom is.

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#2974463 - 02/08/19 05:49 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Theo Verelst]
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Check this out about a minute into it he is coaching Elliot Yammin (arguably one of the singers that should have won American Idol this season) Elliot has a wicked voice. You can see David's process.
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#2974554 - 02/08/19 11:44 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Theo Verelst]
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Originally Posted By: Theo Verelst
If you live on the presumption that the highest grade (usually very well known in the day) musicians prepared their tracks and mixes for later processing, the whole idea drastically changes. For instance, those Chicago tracks clearly contain let's call it musical DNA that could be brought out digitally, but seldom is.

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.....So this presumes that musicians, engineers, and producers back in the day recorded their tracks and mixes in the hope that some future generation may be able to "digitally correct" their efforts?

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#2975027 - 02/10/19 10:48 PM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Bucktunes]
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Don’t hate the man for being so good at ballads. There’s a reason he was so in demand for that sound back in the day. Nobody did it better. cool I studied his arrangements quite a bit for a while when I was learning to write and arrange pop ballads.

Although he obviously has the golden touch for that stye, there’s a lot more to his musicianship, as mentioned earlier. A few of my personal faves of his include Winter Games, Carol Of The Bells (I play his version of that every Christmas Midnight Mass at my church), Flight of the Snowbirds, Morning To Morning from his Symphony Sessions album. Not to mention the songs he co-wrote and produced for Earth, Wind & Fire, Al Jarreau, The Tubes, John Parr...

I guess you could say he’s like the DX7 of keyboardist/producers - He’s capable of a wide variety, but he’s known mostly for that one sound... laugh


I agree - I once sat down and tried to learn "You're The Inspiration" chord by chord and it's no 4-chord wonder by any means.

But wasn't his "one sound" actually the DX7 Rhodes layered with acoustic piano?

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#2975032 - 02/11/19 12:45 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: elsongs]
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Originally Posted By: elsongs

But wasn't his "one sound" actually the DX7 Rhodes layered with acoustic piano?


This is what I was talking about by mentioning the "FosterPno" preset earlier... I think during the early 80's it was more accurately an acoustic piano layered with a chorus-effected Rhodes. Later on it was a DX7 - or more accurately probably a TX816, also by itself (and layered with a Roland MKS-20).

You could also say that "his sound" was his compositions - he certainly has a recognisable style and you can often recognise a tune as a Foster tune quite easily, at least during his heyday.

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#2975047 - 02/11/19 04:55 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: BRW]
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I think he did that John Parr song from the soundtrack of Saint Elmos Fire also?

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#2975083 - 02/11/19 09:55 AM Re: Short clip of David Foster overdubbing Moog bass [Re: Outkaster]
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I think he did that John Parr song from the soundtrack of Saint Elmos Fire also?



That is correct. Even though it's a tiny bit cheesy, I love that song and the whole movie soundtrack as well. Great '80s vibe to it.

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