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#2971897 - 01/27/19 05:52 AM Okay, opinion time, folks...
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As is known here, I recently got myself a brand spankin' new MIM Hendrix Strat. Because I spend waaaay too much time thinking about stuff, I have begun to wonder what tonal doors this opens for me.
I have never really like the sound of Tube Screamers/TS clones because of the midrange boost they all seem to have. It sounds nasal and distorted (in an unpleasant way)to me. But, I have been mostly a humbucker kind of guy, and I wonder if that mid boost would sound better with strat single coils. Then, I started wondering if there were a distortion/overdrive pedal that would sound better with strats than what I am aware of.
So, I decided to come here and put the question to a bunch of guys who not only have opinions about such things, but who relish presenting them, only when asked of course...
So I'm asking. Strat guys, what pedal do you think works best with strats, and why?
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#2971924 - 01/27/19 08:03 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: picker]
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I think you might want to try a Boss Blues Driver...they will boost those single coils and get you some humbucker kind of guy sound.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BD2--boss-bd-2-blues-driver-pedal/revie <---here's some reviews and the price at SW.

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#2971927 - 01/27/19 08:17 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Larryz]
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There is no best. Just different. By in large Brian Wampler is a single coil man and a lot of his stuff works great. But not much love here for Wampler.

The Route 66 is killer it's basically a Reverend Drive train with additional EQ and a clean blend in a double pedal combined with a Ross Compressor circuit also with more EQ options and its own clean blend control.

The old tried and tested Pro Co Rat. I started using one with my Strat and blackface Twin in the 80 when playing a double bill with The Drifters and I heard their guitarist play his Strat through the Rat and a Twin. It worked great.

If you don't have a graphic EQ pedal then hitting the nose of your amp with most any dirt pedal combined with an EQ greatly expands the dirt pedals sound pallet. I find I'm not much interested in new dirt pedals because by using EQ I can pretty much dial up any sound I want depending on the amp. The amp can be the bigger wild card depending on the headroom.


Edited by CEB (01/27/19 08:19 AM)
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#2971944 - 01/27/19 09:38 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: CEB]
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The Klon Centaur is a permanent part of Jeff Beck's pedal board. Discontinued, but there are many clone versions.
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#2971957 - 01/27/19 10:19 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: picker]
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Originally Posted By: picker
As is known here, I recently got myself a brand spankin' new MIM Hendrix Strat. Because I spend waaaay too much time thinking about stuff, I have begun to wonder what tonal doors this opens for me.
I have never really like the sound of Tube Screamers/TS clones because of the midrange boost they all seem to have. It sounds nasal and distorted (in an unpleasant way)to me. But, I have been mostly a humbucker kind of guy, and I wonder if that mid boost would sound better with strat single coils. Then, I started wondering if there were a distortion/overdrive pedal that would sound better with strats than what I am aware of.
So, I decided to come here and put the question to a bunch of guys who not only have opinions about such things, but who relish presenting them, only when asked of course...
So I'm asking. Strat guys, what pedal do you think works best with strats, and why?


Congrats on the MIM Strat! I really dug the one I used to have but parted with it when I got my American Strat. Although I play my Les Paul more than my other guitars, the Strat is often in my rotation. My board has a TS9 and a Selah Scarlett Love v.2 on it. The Selah has a TS9 overdrive tone as well as a Plexi tone. I actually use the TS9 tone on it as well, blending the two together - mostly using the Ibanez for a little bit of dirt, and really driving it with the Selah (I like a lot of overdrive!) grin rawk . This combination also works well with all my other single coil guitars.


I do get what you are saying about the TS9 midrange boost. A couple of my Peavey amps are a bit mid range heavy and the aforementioned two pedals run into them can be a bit much. If I am playing thru the Peavey's I like the tones my Full Drive 2 with the single coil guitars, Strat included.


I know the Selah doesn't offer the v.2 anymore but has upgraded to a v. 3 which offers another overdrive tone in addition to the TS9 and Plexi, plus now has 3 band EQ. It is a good chunk of coin at $229, and although I have no experience with the newer version, the older one I have was worth it to me.


Anyway, my $.02. Happy hunting!


Edited by splitting hare (01/27/19 10:21 AM)
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#2971984 - 01/27/19 11:54 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: splitting hare]
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My favorite Klonish pedal is the Wampler Tumnus Deluxe. It's based on the Klon but with more options and more gain on tap if you want it. I play with a guitarist who uses the the J Rocket Archer IKON. That Archer sounds very true to the original and sounds great. I don't care for the EHX Soul Food.
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#2972041 - 01/27/19 05:03 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: CEB]
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ARC Effects does very nice pedals, and they make an excellent Klon clone.

The Boss BD2 is a good option. Another, very similarly capable and juicy pedal is the Keeley Katana Blues.

ThorpyFX makes a pair of flexible OD pedals, the Gunshot (mid to high gain) and the Peacekeeper (low to mid gain). Both are worth checking out because they give you a LOT of tone-shaping options,

The TrueTone VS-XO is a dual-OD pedal, with one side based on the Tubescreamer circuit, and the other based on the Nobels.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (01/27/19 05:05 PM)
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#2972064 - 01/27/19 07:45 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I have a Blues Driver and a Super Overdrive in my small board, which has become my main one. Both work fine for singles and hums.
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#2972072 - 01/27/19 08:43 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Bluesape]
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You've already got that Soul Food KTR/Klon-like pedal, right? Experiment with that.

And, yeah, Tube Screamer-ish overdrive pedals tend to work well with Strats; I can highly recommend the featuresome, versatile Fulltone Full-Drive 3 FD-3, which is like two pedals with the inclusion of the Fulltone 2B on one side, my favorite "clean boost" and overdriver (as in, overdiving a tube-amp and/or other pedals). You can get a brand-new FD-3 with full warranty direct from Fulltone as a "Blem" (has a tiny, hard to find ding somewhere, I've bought some Fulltone "Blems" and you may not ever find the blemish!), for only $115, with free shipping... "Blem" 2B's for only $90.35...


I highly recommend a good Ross-style or Orange Squeezer-style compressor pedal, and VERY HIGHLY recommend a Homebrew Electronics Compressor retro, aka the HBE CPR, for T
eles and Strats and the like. I have two, and neither of them will ever be up for sale!
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#2972153 - 01/28/19 10:06 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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The Boss Blues Driver is possibly the most responsive OD pedal I've used. I'm sure there's something better out there, but for a mass-market, off-the-shelf pedal, it's hard to beat. Boss Super Overdrive is less responsive, but it's a perfectly good OD, for very little money. If I had just $50 to spend on just one OD, I'd go for the Super Overdrive over anything from EHX, because of Boss' dependability.

I find that the Klon clones, really any of the Transparent Overdrive pedals, tend to work best if your Amp is already on the edge of breakup (kind of the original idea behind the Tube Screamer), otherwise they're more like Boost pedals, with just a hint of grit.
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#2972237 - 01/28/19 02:48 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
I think you might want to try a Boss Blues Driver...they will boost those single coils and get you some humbucker kind of guy sound.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BD2--boss-bd-2-blues-driver-pedal/revie <---here's some reviews and the price at SW.

cool


I second Larry's comments. I use a Boss Blues Driver (BD-2). I turn the gain of the Blues Driver to zero. I use the Level control to boost the output of the single coil pickup to almost Hum Bucking power, and I turn the tone knob all the way off (counterclockwise) So the brightness of the Strat becomes fatter & less ice picky. I do no use the distortion of the BD-2 at all. I just use it for boost and tone control. The only reason I have the BD-2 is to boost the strat sound, I do not use it for any other guitar that I own.
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#2972248 - 01/28/19 03:59 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: desertbluesman]
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You might try determining which ped(s) sound most like you want---or close---& then adjusting that w/ a small EQ unit
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#2972312 - 01/29/19 02:14 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: d]
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Hey Picker
Just my two yen worth-
To step back for a moment-you said that you didn`t like
pedals that sounded like a midrange boost. But now you have a single coil guitar, so actually you DO want a midrange boost. The trick is, to get the cleanest boost possible. Again my opinion but, first a line buffer, to kill the noise of any other effects. Then a real tube pedal, there was a recent thread about that.

Here-

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2953126/Best_tube_overdrive_pedals#Post2953126


Edited by skipclone 1 (01/29/19 02:21 AM)
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#2972326 - 01/29/19 04:47 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: skipclone 1]
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Thanks guys, that's a lot of to work with, and I'm glad to have it all. Y'all rock most exceedingly!
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#2973167 - 02/01/19 06:39 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: picker]
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Originally Posted By: picker
I have never really like the sound of Tube Screamers/TS clones because of the midrange boost they all seem to have. It sounds nasal and distorted (in an unpleasant way)to me.


I just ran across this, and thought of you, picker-

B.Y.O.C. TS-808/TS-9/OD-9 Classic Mod Pack

Originally Posted By: B.Y.O.C. on buildyourownclone.com
"More gain. Fuller range and less midrange boost. The ability to turn the gain down even lower. Increased impedance. Asymmetrical clipping for richer second order harmonics."
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#2973341 - 02/02/19 01:47 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Just read the new GP article abt Richie Thompson.
There may some ideas there for you, although the may not be immediately apparent.


Edited by d (02/02/19 01:48 PM)
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#2973426 - 02/03/19 06:28 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: d]
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I also feel I could use something like the Tube Screamer but have not added it yet. My layout is pretty simple; a Dunlop Wah, an MXR Carbon Copy delay, a Hofner tremolo and a EI Nano Double Muff. The Muff is the only pedal that adds "hair" so I have considered a distortion/drive pedal but haven't made up my mind. There are some great suggestions here though! I might just need too start looking again.

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#2973451 - 02/03/19 08:26 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: bbqbob]
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Love my old TS, but it's down. They all have iffy switches and other components. Boss pedals are affordable, great sounding, and very durable. They just don't disappoint.
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#2973509 - 02/03/19 01:34 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Bluesape]
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Another, possibly divergent question; has anybody spent much time running a Pro Co Rat with a strat? The sheer alliteration of the two names seems kind of like it would be a kick if they really worked together... laugh
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#2973516 - 02/03/19 02:46 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: CEB]
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Yes Paragraph three. So much of the formula is how the pedal plays with the amp. The guitar is often secondary. Like the Big Muff Fuzz into a Silverface Twin .... Absolutely hideous regardless of guitar. Big Muff and a Marshall is nice.

Originally Posted By: CEB
There is no best. Just different. By in large Brian Wampler is a single coil man and a lot of his stuff works great. But not much love here for Wampler.

The Route 66 is killer it's basically a Reverend Drive train with additional EQ and a clean blend in a double pedal combined with a Ross Compressor circuit also with more EQ options and its own clean blend control.

The old tried and tested Pro Co Rat. I started using one with my Strat and blackface Twin in the 80 when playing a double bill with The Drifters and I heard their guitarist play his Strat through the Rat and a Twin. It worked great.

If you don't have a graphic EQ pedal then hitting the nose of your amp with most any dirt pedal combined with an EQ greatly expands the dirt pedals sound pallet. I find I'm not much interested in new dirt pedals because by using EQ I can pretty much dial up any sound I want depending on the amp. The amp can be the bigger wild card depending on the headroom.


Edited by CEB (02/03/19 02:49 PM)
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#2973585 - 02/04/19 01:07 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: picker
I have never really like the sound of Tube Screamers/TS clones because of the midrange boost they all seem to have. It sounds nasal and distorted (in an unpleasant way)to me.


I just ran across this, and thought of you, picker-

B.Y.O.C. TS-808/TS-9/OD-9 Classic Mod Pack

Originally Posted By: B.Y.O.C. on buildyourownclone.com
"More gain. Fuller range and less midrange boost. The ability to turn the gain down even lower. Increased impedance. Asymmetrical clipping for richer second order harmonics."


Personally, I have no soldering or other electronics modification skills, so I’d just buy something based on the TS that delivers the goods.

...which is what I did...and more than once, to be honest. Something like the T-Rex MAB OD or the Visual Sound/TrueTone Jekyll & Hyde, Double Trouble (discontinued), and VS-XO pedals might be more enjoyable to those who don’t care for the originals.

Edit: I know that a lot of people also like the Way Huge Green Rhinos.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (02/04/19 02:44 AM)
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#2973726 - 02/04/19 02:31 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I have 80's ts9 that bought about 8 years ago in a pawn shop. I wasn't sure if I got a good deal or not, now I them on Reverb for $250 to $600. Maybe I should get a reissue and lock this up for 10 years and see what it's worth. I won't, I'll keep using it. I will not let out of my sight tho.

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#2973814 - 02/04/19 10:35 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: surfergirl]
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Originally Posted By: surfergirl
I have 80's ts9 that bought about 8 years ago in a pawn shop. I wasn't sure if I got a good deal or not, now I them on Reverb for $250 to $600. Maybe I should get a reissue and lock this up for 10 years and see what it's worth. I won't, I'll keep using it. I will not let out of my sight tho.


Oh, yes, use it! It was meant to be used, and you found it and it fits your sound and approach and style, right? rawk
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#2973815 - 02/04/19 10:42 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: picker]
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Originally Posted By: picker
The sheer alliteration of the two names seems kind of like it would be a kick if they really worked together... laugh


wave I really like that... cool

Originally Posted By: CEB
So much of the formula is how the pedal plays with the amp. The guitar is often secondary. Like the Big Muff Fuzz into a Silverface Twin .... Absolutely hideous regardless of guitar. Big Muff and a Marshall is nice.


Think that may be largely down to the greater level of midrange that Marshall brings, compared to a blackface or silverface Fender... ?

Originally Posted By: CEB
By in large Brian Wampler is a single coil man and a lot of his stuff works great. But not much love here for Wampler.


CEB- Do you mean, not much love for him here on this forum, or personally, from yourself?
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#2973832 - 02/05/19 04:17 AM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite

Originally Posted By: CEB
By in large Brian Wampler is a single coil man and a lot of his stuff works great. But not much love here for Wampler.


CEB- Do you mean, not much love for him here on this forum, or personally, from yourself?


What I don't love are his prices. SHEESH!
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#2973926 - 02/05/19 12:13 PM Re: Okay, opinion time, folks... [Re: picker]
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I realize that most of the suggestions in this thread, including my own, were for OD pedals.

Sure, SRV did wonderful things with a Tube Screamer and a Strat, but let's not forget that Jimi worked much of his magic with Fuzz or Fuzz+Octave effects. You may find tone heaven with one of the many versions of the Big Muff, and there areas least a dozen of them, just for a start. The classic big-box Made in NYC Big Muff is still under $100US.

I was recently looking for what I though of as a sustained creamy, singing Distortion tone, somewhere between Robin Trower and Robert Fripp, and wound up with a Fuzz.

You might also check out the basic Boss DS-1; simple, straightforward and affordable, at right about $50.
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