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Re: Winter NAMM 2019 Reports
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Unlimited != infinite.


Unlimited: 1. limitless or without bounds; unrestricted

Given the set definition of 88 keys on a piano, and the amount of layering specified for the sound engine, 320 oscillators yields unrestricted polyphony.

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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Originally Posted By: Ockeghem
Unlimited != infinite.


Unlimited: 1. limitless or without bounds; unrestricted

Given the set definition of 88 keys on a piano, and the amount of layering specified for the sound engine, 320 oscillators yields unrestricted polyphony.


From Merriam-Webster

unlimited

 adjective

Definition of unlimited

1: lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTED, "unlimited access"

2: BOUNDLESS, INFINITE "unlimited possibilities"

3: not bounded by exceptions :UNDEFINED "the unlimited and unconditional surrender of the enemy— Sir Winston Churchill"




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Originally Posted By: Sam Mullins
Originally Posted By: Radagast
Originally Posted By: Ockeghem
Unlimited != infinite.


Unlimited: 1. limitless or without bounds; unrestricted

Given the set definition of 88 keys on a piano, and the amount of layering specified for the sound engine, 320 oscillators yields unrestricted polyphony.


From Merriam-Webster

unlimited

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Definition of unlimited

1: lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTED, "unlimited access"

2: BOUNDLESS, INFINITE "unlimited possibilities"

3: not bounded by exceptions :UNDEFINED "the unlimited and unconditional surrender of the enemy— Sir Winston Churchill"





The word has more than one use as you can see by the several definitions. The one I quoted is sufficient to support Dexibell’s use of the word. If you or anyone else doesn’t like it, too bad. Deal with it. It has unrestricted polyphony.

See definition number 1.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unlimited

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The word has more than one use as you can see by the several definitions. The one I quoted is sufficient to support Dexibell’s use of the word. If you or anyone else doesn’t like it, too bad. Deal with it. It has unrestricted polyphony.

See definition number 1.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/unlimited



First of all, I think 320 is plenty; it looks like a nice board on first glance. Not in the market for anything new, so I have no dog in this race.

I understand how you are using the term and that is why I posted all the definitions. So under your definition, a 61 note keyboard with the ability to layer two sounds would be unlimited polyphony if it could play 122 notes at one time. So in that case, both could be called unlimited, but I would argue that the Dexibell has a clear advantage.

On the other hand, if that same keyboard got a firmware upgrade that allowed it to layer three sounds but the maximum simultaneous nodes remained at 122, then it would no longer be unlimited polyphony.

I get it. You are saying the term “unlimited” is true under definition 1. I am saying it is unhelpful in understanding the actual capabilities. Why not just say it has 320 and leave it at that?

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Originally Posted By: Sam Mullins
I understand how you are using the term and that is why I posted all the definitions. So under your definition, a 61 note keyboard with the ability to layer two sounds would be unlimited polyphony if it could play 122 notes at one time. So in that case, both could be called unlimited, but I would argue that the Dexibell has a clear advantage.

Of course, a single keystrike can use more than one instance of polyphony (i.e. for stereo, crossfades, resonances). But let's put that aside and assume 1-to-1 note:polyphony. If 122 in the first instance and 320 in the Dexibell both let you play and sustain every single key of the keyboard with no dropouts no matter what available sound(s) are selected, than I'd say they are equivalent, and would disagree that Dexibell has a clear advantage, as there is no instance where there would be an audible benefit. (Well, apart from the benefit of having more than 61 keys to begin with.) But you make a good point about "unlimited polyphony" in a tone generator being a function of what a board could possibly ask of it. For example, the Dexibell supports a maximum of three parts. If they added a multi-timbral MIDI receive function (as many boards have, to allow them to do things like play multi-channel MIDI sequences that can serve as your background tracks), the same tone generator would no longer offer "unlimited" polyphony. Which ironically means that leaving a common feature out is how a board like this can claim unlimited polyphony, by simply not building in any way to use up more polyphony than the board is capable of.

Originally Posted By: Sam Mullins
Why not just say it has 320 and leave it at that?

I see why... because the 320 number alone doesn't communicate the benefit they're trying to sell, which is the claim that it it is impossible to play ever hear a dropped note. But yes, there is a hidden other side, which is that that is only true because it is impossible for the keyboard to split/layer (or MIDI-trigger) more than three sounds at once.

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Full polyphony could be "there's a string simulation for every string in the instrument that's being simulated". So that re-triggering notes can be done indefinitely. How to do that with samples is harder, you'd have to specify the machine can keep up with all possible note-on messages on a row that it can possibly receive, and never fail as an approximation of the term unlimited.

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VERY cool. Much more interesting than ANY analog synth.


Definitely. I was back and forth about the Prophet-X, as it has that Dave Smith, "it is easy to make it sound great" thing going on. But this is a very deep synthesizer, and a a product that should mark some kind of inflection point. It isn't a "business as usual" thing, but actively trying to go to the outer edge. The Quantum is definitely on the list. Not immediately, but on the list for sure.

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How many posts over a word, Unlimited. Seriously you need to slap
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