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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971502 01/25/19 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
HEY CASIO, somebody copy and pasted the same specas for both the S1000 and the S3000. Please update, thank you.
They know. I hear it will be fixed today.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2971503 01/25/19 03:05 PM
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The lower end new CDP models don't say what they are, except for being a new design.

Posted elsewhere, the new CDP piano sound is listed as AHL II.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
They went to touch screen UI on most of the Privia updates including a 560 (with an expression pedal input) while the 5S was left unchanged.

I suspect that the only reason the 5S lacks those 560 features is that it came out first. But the 5S stayed in the line because, as you point out, it still served some markets better than the 560 did, and presumably it was still selling. If there had been a 5S update since then, though, I'd bet on it having a touchscreen and expression pedal input

Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
It looks like these new Casios are a real quantum leap over the previous gen—-even the 560 and 5s......

Better piano sound and action, okay, but in many respects, these boards seem to do a fraction of what those boards do. These are nice improvements in their lower end boards, but it looks like we'll have to wait for these enhancements to "trickle up" to their better boards.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: AnotherScott] #2971505 01/25/19 03:07 PM
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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971508 01/25/19 03:18 PM
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The Electric Piano sounds dyno with effects built in

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971510 01/25/19 03:19 PM
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IT looks like the prices are different than I saw in the original post yesterday. Either that or I must be losing it....

The prices and the weight are fantastic, and certainly worthy of consideration.

And kudos to Mike and Casio for forging ahead. As I said, I have been wanting to support Casio for some time. I actually love my WK 3000 ( of all things). It is a real go to practice organ for me because it runs on batteries and I can get a very credible lower manual organ sound for practice purposes.

So I have been waiting for THE piano for the new Millenium. Have they done it is the question.

As said in a previous post, the Yamaha P 515 is tempting. It is more money, and it weighs in at about 48 lbs. If I am not mistaken. Definitely a stay at home instrument. But it kicks ants!

So I am waiting to see if Casio has achieved Hear no evil status.

Very interesting though. You gotta love the weight and prices....

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971514 01/25/19 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Electric Piano does not sound like a classic vintage clean Fender Rhodes Suitcase, such as played by Herbie Hancock, Joe Sample, George Duke, Chick Corea, etc. It sounds like it's got effects all messed over it (chorus and overdrive?) and the high notes sound thin and squeaky, imo. The Rhodes on my CT-X is also sorely lacking. I think the Rhodes in the PX360/560 is still better. It's amazing no DP still can't match Scarbee after so many years.

It's not amazing thet DPs don't match Scarbee... Scarbee's rhodes is something like 5 GB. But really, there are very good Rhodes sounds in many DPs, size isn't everything. Korg SV1 still sounds/plays great to me. As for Casio's Rhodes, they've been a mix. PX560 and PX5S are much better than PX350. I'm reserving judgment on the S3000 Rhodes for now...

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Apparently no decent Jimmy Smith B3 organ classic 88800000 either on board.

I wouldn't expect anything great, that really requires a separate processing engine (not simple sample playback), and sophisticated effects processing. (There's a reason people would pay $500 for a Vent to get a realistic leslie effect.)


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971518 01/25/19 03:54 PM
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I asked Saul at YamahaMusicians.com about the CDP-S, and he asked Casio, and they said the new CDP-S models use AHL ii, not AiR or AiX.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: SeaGtGruff] #2971522 01/25/19 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: SeaGtGruff
I asked Saul at YamahaMusicians.com about the CDP-S, and he asked Casio, and they said the new CDP-S models use AHL ii, not AiR or AiX.


He’s correct about the CDP-S100 only.
The CDP-S350 is a AiX variant.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin] #2971528 01/25/19 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
He’s correct about the CDP-S100 only.
The CDP-S350 is a AiX variant.

Ah! So with the improved AiR, that's 3 different piano engines in the four new models! (Plus the original AiR still in others like PX560.) That's really good to know, so people don't play one of these piano sounds at their local store and assume that all four models sound the same. I also find this encouraging because I really didn't like the CDP-S100 demo I heard at all. Of course, I understand, it's a budget model, but it's good to have confirmation that that's not what's in any of the other models.

I know the S3000 is still not so much a stage board (no MIDI!), but I'm curious about things like what facilities it may have for quick patch recall of your favorites from among its 700 sounds, or from among any saved split/layer combinations you might assemble (registrations). Or are these still things you'd have to look at the older higher end models for?


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: AnotherScott] #2971530 01/25/19 04:43 PM
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In terms of Rhodes and Organ sound, why is Scarbee and Crumar ahead of all the Japanese companies who've been at it for so long?

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971537 01/25/19 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Scarbee's 1G in Korg's Module sounds great. 1GB cost about .50 cents now days.

1GB of what? 1GB of flash storage may cost 50 cents. 1 GB of what a keyboard needs for a playable piano is a whole lot pricier. Just because something is measured in gigabytes doesn't tell you what you can use it for. Using your figure, you could get 16 GB of something for $8, but check the price of of a 16 GB RAM upgrade for your computer, and you'll see the point. (What keyboards use is typically neither of the above.) Or, for example, check the price of this: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MotifXF512MB--yamaha-fl512m-512mb-flash-board to get an idea of how much the price of a gig of something can vary. Different boards take different approaches, and don't all use the same kind of memory. None of it is as cheap as just using a thumb drive, though.

The good news is, you can solve your problem by running Korg Module. ;-) Though I do wish more boards were more adept at integrating internal and external sounds, so we could more easily take advantage of the best of both worlds. Casio handles that well on boards like XW-P1 and PX-5S, but not on many others.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
In terms of Rhodes and Organ sound, why is Scarbee and Crumar ahead of all the Japanese companies who've been at it for so long?

Crumar is a different case, they use modeling. There are few people who are capable of doing that.

Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I guess I'm frustrated that the Rhodes and organs still suck in 2019's offerings.

No they don't, you just have to buy the model that has what you need. You're happy with your Mojo 61, right? But the design of the board is entirely different from a Privia. I wouldn't expect to find the things Crumar is doing in a Mojo in a Privia. By analogy, if you need a boat, I'd say buy a boat, rather than wish your car had a propellor. Though companies have tried that, too. ;-)


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Fleer] #2971540 01/25/19 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Fleer
The PX-S3000 has USB-to-Device (audio) and USB-to-Host while the PX-S1000 only has the latter.

Apparently Casio have confirmed that USB Audio in the PX-S3000 is for recording audio to a USB stick only, so no USB Audio to a computer DAW.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Fleer] #2971551 01/25/19 06:10 PM
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So around $60 wholesale for 16 GB of RAM.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971558 01/25/19 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
So around $50 wholesale for 16 GB of RAM.

You're getting closer, although $50 looks too low to me for 16 GB RAM, even RAM of relatively low spec. But okay, let's say we take the RAM approach. Well, RAM loses all its contents whenever you power down. So now you need additional "GB" of something else for offline storage, and have to allow for a long boot time as all the contents have to be read into memory at each startup. (I believe that this is what the Krome does, though I'm not certain.) There are also costs associated with the additional support electronics to make that all happen (and you need an OS built to do it). So there are additional costs as well as a trade-off in functionality. Now also remember that what a component costs wholesale is not at all the same as what it adds to the retail price. Bottom line: it's not as simple as "toss some more memory in there, cheap."


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Maybe $65 for 16GB of Ram wholesale.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971564 01/25/19 07:51 PM
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As Scott says above, it's not just the cost of RAM.

They would have to license whatever library they want to put in there, as well as several other things under the hood to make it run properly and give you the same experience as running those VST's on a dedicated Laptop.

Just look at the CPU power many of the good libraries need to run to sound good, and have the lowest latency possible.

Now then, I do like the concept, and I am sure the big companies have done cost analysis of this and have determined the ROI doesn't work yet.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971567 01/25/19 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
3 TB BarraCuda drive is $99.99, making the price per GB $0.033.

So? That doesn't mean you can buy 1 GB of it for $0.033 or even 100 GB for $3. But regardless, as I said, the cost of the memory/storage components is just one piece of the puzzle.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: AnotherScott] #2971573 01/25/19 09:27 PM
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Question: Can one note trills be played faster on the new s1000 action or are one note trills faster on the PX-360 action. Has the “repetition rate” increased? Has friction been reduced? This is an objective measurement and will reveal a lot about the new action.


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There’s no reason for Casio to license an existing piano library from a developer like Synthogy unless they are looking for name brand recognition that is stronger than their own. It makes a lot more sense for them to build the Casio name and their own proprietary engines and libraries. They’ve proved with the PX-5S and Other Privia models that they can do this. They partnered with Bechstein when they needed to generate some buzz with the Celviano range. Even opening up the instrument to show the movement of the action. Very calculated planning.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2971582 01/25/19 10:25 PM
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Can the effects be removed from "Electric Piano" to get clean Fender Rhodes piano?

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Can the effects be removed from "Electric Piano" to get a clean high quality Fender Rhodes Suitcase sample?


LOL, for that you need to have a clean high quality Rhodes samples to begin with.

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Yes, the PX 360, PX 560, and PX-5S all have pretty decent clean Fender Rhodes Suitcase going on.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2971604 01/26/19 12:09 AM
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Played the 1000 today, mainly with phones. I could only make out a little of the internals coupled with a pair of mini-desk type monitors -- the floor noise was too over the top.

What I could hear, and felt, immediately was an improvement over earlier models. I could get around on it pretty good and heard the tone and sustain was much improved.

I think I'd have to hear it through speakers to make a conclusive opinion on it but I based on what I heard, I can't imagine how you could do better for the price.

I think for older Acoustic piano Jazz guys, this will become a standard gigging electronic keyboard. wink

Nice talking with the venerable Mike Martin for a few minutes too.

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Hi Dave,
Thanks for the report. I was hoping you'd be at NAMM. Are you going again? If so, maybe you could take some good headphones and have a closer listen? Can you do fast one note trills with the new action?

How was the Yamaha???

If I use my Casio PX-360 when I play out with other players, I rely on the Rhodes Suitcase sound all night. Because it sounds fat enough for single note blowing. I only use the Grand Piano for solo piano gigs. For me, all digital piano acoustic pianos too artificial or something in a combo setting, especially for single note blowing.


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Did you play Yamaha’s CP73 as well, Dave?

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Are you going again? If so, maybe you could take some good headphones and have a closer listen? Can you do fast one note trills with the new action?


Probably not, one day was about all I could take. cry

I didn't do any trills but it felt very responsive for the Jazz tunes I was blowing over. And some fairly bright tempos. And I was standing up playing. So it probably would be even better in normal sitting position.

I liked it better then the Nord Piano 4. But to be fair, between the over the top noise and the fact that the phones they provided were so bad, I actually thought the Royal Grand XL sample was a Rhodes. confused crazy

And those new Red monitors were simply worthless in that din for hearing anything. The NP4 can't sound as bad as it did in normal conditions.

I think you and everyone will highly dig the new improved sound and action of the new models. Rich Formadoni said all the new models have the same piano and same action too.

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Did you play Yamaha’s CP73 as well, Dave?


Briefly. I didn't care for it.

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Did you play Yamaha’s CP73 as well, Dave?


Briefly. I didn't care for it.

Any thoughts on the action?

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