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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3022906 01/10/20 01:44 PM
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So, I'm in registrations and I set up a piano/bass split. I now want to exit and go back to original screen when first turned on, so I hit exit/function button but I get to a screen with "L" highlighted to change sound of left sound (bass.) It appears that split function doesn't turn off and I can't get back to original screen with exit/function button. It appears OS will not exit from registrations directly to main screen and I'm left with scrolling until I can turn off split.

Any better solution?

For price point PX S3000 is great but OS not so much. Probably how cost is kept low.

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Couple of questions:
- how are the speakers when playing in a normal sized living room (piano against the wall), how is the bass, or is there none to speak of (not expecting subwoofer level, but at least a bit of punch in the lower notes) ?
- there's apparently some noise when connecting an iPad to the Line in of the PX-S1000 (strangely enough, I've got the same problem with my MP11SE, seems iPads do that) ; so is it possible to hear sound via Bluetooth at the same time when connecting via USB and a Apple Camera Adapter ?


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Al Quinn] #3022947 01/10/20 04:19 PM
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Thanks for the info @al quinn and I'm sure I'll see you around town at some point. I'm a regular at Bobbique (gigging and eating). It definitely sounds like this would fit my needs as a controller as I really don't need a whole lot of fader/knobs. In fact, with my electro 5D on top I really can't get to any knobs that aren't on the side.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3024938 01/21/20 09:51 PM
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What does knob 1 and 2 control by default?

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3026071 01/27/20 10:35 AM
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Another interesting review of the PX-S1000 by Woody from Piano Shack :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZVK_Hi_AY

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3027815 02/06/20 03:07 PM
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I had to get rid of my acoustic grand that I've had for years. I will really miss it for many reasons.

I have a PX-S3000 on the way, not as a replacement, but to use in the meantime while I save for a higher-end digital. No telling what DP's will be out by then.

I think the 3000 will be fun, and can have a lot of other uses down the road with gigs, jamming, DAW, etc... Light enough to move around to wherever. Will probably keep it until it breaks.

Anyhoo, not that exciting for you guys I'm sure, but just thought I would try to contribute something to the discussion.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3027816 02/06/20 03:13 PM
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We will be going live on YouTube next Wednesday (Feb 12) to answer some of the recent questions here on editing tones, knobs and more.

https://youtu.be/Q4o6IZ8xQ5Y

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3027855 02/06/20 07:56 PM
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I have been in the market for a digital piano in this price range and have tried quite a few.

Kawai ES110, terrible clacky keybed so did not turn on the keyboard.

Korg B2, OK sound but a spongey, no feel keybed.

Korg D1, reasonable sound quality, not a bad keybed but the following are all better.

Casio S3000, great sounds and features let down a bit by the keybed. No opposition in the price range but it is getting close to the price of a Roland RD88 for it to be considered by myself

Casio S1000, great sounds with limited features with keybed like the S3000

Yamaha, P121/125 great piano sounds, a bit lacking clarity in the non piano sounds but still very playable

Roland FP 30, great sounds throughout and the best keybed of them all imo, piano sounds of Yamaha are better but it is let down by limited output options.

So a close call between the P121/125 and the FP30 but IMO both are far better than the Casio models.

So good in fact that I have just bought a P121 to put me on before I decide what workstation I want to buy.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Biggles] #3027856 02/06/20 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggles
Kawai ES110, terrible clacky keybed so did not turn on the keyboard.


Hope you never hear an acoustic action, if you are ever in the market, as you would dis every maker. IMO, action noise means zip, unless you're worried about neighbors and family while playing with headphones.


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The ES110 has some 'bounce back' noise, but that's just because it tries to emulate a real acoustic grand, but the noise is not that bad. Perhaps there was something wrong with the one you played...
Yamaha GHS is not bad, but rather far from the feel of a real acoustic.
If you really want to hear a clacky keybed, try a Casio PX560 (or 360/160), nice feeling action but unless you're using it on a stage, it'll make the spiders in your house run like hell laugh
The new PX-S models have a much, much quieter action, mind you...

The ES110 with its GHC keybed is more for pianists, while the P125/121 is more for keyboard players (in my humble opinion). And the PX-S series might be somewhere in between. That's how I look at it (kind of)...

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($600) and S3000 ($800) [Re: Jazz+] #3027867 02/06/20 09:32 PM
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Argh, no midi jack means it's a non-starter for me....most likely. Just a very odd omission. I think I'd always want to option if gigging to be able to trigger sounds from my other keyboard...

Still going to try this out since what I primarily need is a new weighted controller to replace my ancient, dying Studiologic one. That has a TP-40 action though and I'm pretty used to it after more than 25 years, so changing things up will be tough. smile

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Originally Posted by 16251
Originally Posted by Biggles
Kawai ES110, terrible clacky keybed so did not turn on the keyboard.


Hope you never hear an acoustic action, if you are ever in the market, as you would dis every maker. IMO, action noise means zip, unless you're worried about neighbors and family while playing with headphones.


My thoughts exactly. Out of those mentioned ES110 has the best action by a mile.

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Kawai ES110, terrible clacky keybed so did not turn on the keyboard.


Hope you never hear an acoustic action, if you are ever in the market, as you would dis every maker. IMO, action noise means zip, unless you're worried about neighbors and family while playing with headphones.


My thoughts exactly. Out of those mentioned ES110 has the best action by a mile.


Sorry folks, what I wrote is what I found.

Add all the key noise from all the other keyboards and it would still be far less than the Kawai.

Maybe it was just a bad example but it was what it was.

Yes, I have played acoustic and they are far quieter than the ES110 I tried.

You may like a noisy action but I do not want to wake the neighbours with the loud clacking when Imam playing late at night with the headphone on so the Kawai was a non starter.


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My ES110 action is quiet and fast and with lower inertia resistance than others in its class. The Piano and Rhodes samples are good when edited. A noisy action has no importance, real piano actions are noisy but folks don’t seem to notice. What counts is inertia, down weight and up weight and return speed. What good is a quiet action if it wears you out, doesn’t let you perform at high speed?


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Originally Posted by 16251
So, I'm in registrations and I set up a piano/bass split. I now want to exit and go back to original screen when first turned on, so I hit exit/function button but I get to a screen with "L" highlighted to change sound of left sound (bass.) It appears that split function doesn't turn off and I can't get back to original screen with exit/function button. It appears OS will not exit from registrations directly to main screen and I'm left with scrolling until I can turn off split.

Any better solution?

For price point PX S3000 is great but OS not so much. Probably how cost is kept low.


Probably get an answer here: https://www.casiomusicforums.com/


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Originally Posted by 16251
So, I'm in registrations and I set up a piano/bass split. I now want to exit and go back to original screen when first turned on, so I hit exit/function button but I get to a screen with "L" highlighted to change sound of left sound (bass.) It appears that split function doesn't turn off and I can't get back to original screen with exit/function button. It appears OS will not exit from registrations directly to main screen and I'm left with scrolling until I can turn off split.

Any better solution?

For price point PX S3000 is great but OS not so much. Probably how cost is kept low.


Best solution is to make your first registration a "go home" setup with just your favorite piano, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Mike Martin
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So, I'm in registrations and I set up a piano/bass split. I now want to exit and go back to original screen when first turned on, so I hit exit/function button but I get to a screen with "L" highlighted to change sound of left sound (bass.) It appears that split function doesn't turn off and I can't get back to original screen with exit/function button. It appears OS will not exit from registrations directly to main screen and I'm left with scrolling until I can turn off split.

Any better solution?

For price point PX S3000 is great but OS not so much. Probably how cost is kept low.


Best solution is to make your first registration a "go home" setup with just your favorite piano, nothing else.


Moved on, sold it. wave


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The main thing that puts me off these is the feel of the keys, as if my fingers are touching a rough, sanded surface. For me, this is ivory feel gone way too far.

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It is a different action. Casio refers to it as "newly designed" and it is supposed to be an upgrade ("improved scaled hammer action keyboard", which enables even more delicate expression to facilitate any style of piano playing"). Whether it is an "upgrade" can end up being be subjective, though, as people don't always agree about which action feels better than which, or an action that is better in one respect can be lesser in another.

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Originally Posted by Jazz+
My ES110 action is quiet and fast and with lower inertia resistance than others in its class. The Piano and Rhodes samples are good when edited. A noisy action has no importance, real piano actions are noisy but folks don’t seem to notice. What counts is inertia, down weight and up weight and return speed. What good is a quiet action if it wears you out, doesn’t let you perform at high speed?


Glad you are happy with your ES110

If a keybed has a noisy action is important for me, since I play with headphones on at home and my Wife is in the next room and sure as eggs are eggs she does not want to hear the clack, clack of me playing a noisy Kawai ES110 keybed.

Hence a Kawaii ES110 is a non starter.

The other, far more expensive Kawaii piano I looked at in the store did not have the noisy keybed but was £1000 more expensive.


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These look great as a rehearsal/backup VST controller. I use GigPerformer and don't need many MIDI controls, just need to send program changes to switch rackspaces.

Can anyone confirm that the PX-S1000 sends PCs when you do the function + key combos you would hit to switch internal sounds? I did look at the MIDI implementation chart but my interpretive powers are limited.

Also, for anyone already using these to control VSTs, are you feeding the VST output back into the keyboard speakers? I like the idea of getting some tactile feedback, curious if it works well.

Thanks

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I use the PX-S3000 in my Gig Performer rig.

You do NOT want to use it to change racks/patches in GP or Mainstage. A klunky experience.

As far as running an audio feed back into the PX, it works great. You just have to be careful of the signal level you’re sending to the PX.

It’s easy to overdrive the speakers if you’re coming in hot.
What I do is take a separate output from my 18i20 interface and have that set lower than what gets sent to FOH or Monitor desk.

That way I get enough signal so I can “feel” what I’m playing.

In my rig I use a MODX6 or Keylab61 mk2 uptop.
Those are what drive all the rack changes in GP


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Thanks, EscapeRocks. Still seems promising for AP-only stuff where I don't need to switch rackspaces.

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Originally Posted by Dave Number Four
Thanks, EscapeRocks. Still seems promising for AP-only stuff where I don't need to switch rackspaces.


Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great board. Just don't plan on it being a controller controller... i.e. it's great for note on note off....

If you spend some time with the PianoTeq velocity curve setup, you will see how nuanced you can get.

I've been playing a lot of Keyscape stuff with the PXS3000 as well, and it's wonderful.


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I use the patch change buttons on the PX-S3000 to select Gig Performer rackspaces. But my needs are simple: mostly just to switch between AP, EP, and B3 (although I have horns, strings, and some splits setup too). I used it on a classic rock gig and it worked fine. I wouldn't attempt anything more complex. As David pointed out, it's not a controller controller.

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Originally Posted by EscapeRocks
Originally Posted by Dave Number Four
Thanks, EscapeRocks. Still seems promising for AP-only stuff where I don't need to switch rackspaces.



If you spend some time with the PianoTeq velocity curve setup, you will see how nuanced you can get.



What instruments are you using in Pianoteq? I have the YC5, SW Model D and Electric Pianos. I get pretty good results using the stock Moderately Slow curve, but I'd be curious to see what you're using as a comparison.

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