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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2988794
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Jazz+,

Thank you for the demos and all the information you've provided so far. I purchased the S3000 as well, but I've yet to unbox it.

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Congrats Sam, I look forward to hearing what you think about it.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2988844
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Originally Posted By: wd8dky
Jazz+ - are you a paid endorser?


Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I wish I was but I am not.


The people in charge of this kind of thing read this forum. thu


A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazz+] #2988853
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
EP1 is the best...

How many velocity layers do you detect? The PX5s has 4.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: MalH] #2988855
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Originally Posted By: MalH
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
EP1 is the best...

How many velocity layers do you detect? The PX5s has 4.

PX5S also has hexlayer EPs, which could have up to 6, though I haven't examined them (the stock ones or the freely downloadable ones programmed by Dave Weiser). Though some of they're six tones may be used for other things. Maybe release noises, for example.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: AnotherScott] #2989016
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I received the PX-S3000 yesterday and played it for a few hours. It's a keeper! An amazing keyboard for the price.

What I love:
- 25 lbs.
- the weighted action (for most playing situations)
- AP piano sample
- iOS app for editing parameters
- option to run on batteries
- looks great too!

What I like:
- internal speakers. They sound very good up to about 3/4 volume; after that the tone takes an unpleasant hit
- surround mode
- music stand

What I dislike:
- the other sounds. I don't think I'd use any of them.
- the action for nuanced playing. While key resistance is what I expect for the front half of the key, the back half of the key requires much more force to achieve the same volume. The result is uncomfortable playing and not so good music.

What I expect to like:
- Midi implementation. It looks like it will be a very good controller for my laptop rig. My needs aren't very demanding. I'm thinking the patch buttons and two knobs will provide the control I desire.
- expression pedal support
- pitch bend wheel

Overall, I'm thrilled to have this lightweight keyboard with an excellent acoustic piano sound, very good weighted action, and nice sounding internal speakers that also has the option of running on batteries.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Dave Ferris] #2989021
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When you have both the CP4 and Casio next to each other in the confines of your home, I'd be curious to hear if you still feel the same about the Casio for a Jazz context. And also how it sounds through the TT08As compared to the CP4. Thanks.

Dave, after playing the CP4 and PX-S3000 side by side I've decided I'll be taking the CP4 to jazz gigs. For group playing the PX-S3000 is fine but if I had to play solo piano or even a piano intro I would struggle playing with the desired amount of nuance.

I like how the PX-S3000 AP sounds through the TT08As. The CP4 sounds better to me but, of course, it's an unfair comparison because they're not in the same price range. One noticeable difference is that Casio's stereo separation design sounds very straightforward: the further left a key is on the keyboard the further left it is in the stereo image (and visa-versa). The Yamaha implementation is less obvious to my ears. They use the stereo field to create a beautiful / more complex sound and while left keys are panned left and right keys are panned right there's something else going on that's very pleasing. Maybe it's the how the resonance sits in the stereo image? I'm not sure but it is a more inspiring sound.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Al Quinn] #2989024
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"For group playing the PX-S1000 is fine but if I had to play solo piano or even a piano intro I would struggle playing with the desired amount of nuance. "


Wow--that is a dramatic statement, Al. Are you sure you've set the keyboard touch parameters up correctly? My impression of it, albeit at NAMM, was that it was at least as responsive and comfortable as the Yamaha and my PX5s for that matter. And I think of myself as a nuanced player, much to the frustration of recording engineers at times wink

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Al Quinn] #2989037
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When you have both the CP4 and Casio next to each other in the confines of your home, I'd be curious to hear if you still feel the same about the Casio for a Jazz context. And also how it sounds through the TT08As compared to the CP4. Thanks.

Dave, after playing the CP4 and PX-S3000 side by side I've decided I'll be taking the CP4 to jazz gigs. For group playing the PX-S3000 is fine but if I had to play solo piano or even a piano intro I would struggle playing with the desired amount of nuance.

I like how the PX-S3000 AP sounds through the TT08As. The CP4 sounds better to me but, of course, it's an unfair comparison because they're not in the same price range. One noticeable difference is that Casio's stereo separation design sounds very straightforward: the further left a key is on the keyboard the further left it is in the stereo image (and visa-vera). The Yamaha implementation is less obvious to my ears. They use the stereo field to create a beautiful / more complex sound and while left keys are panned left and right keys are panned right there's something else going on that's very pleasing. Maybe it's the how the resonance sits in the stereo image? I'm not sure but it is a more inspiring sound.


Thanks Al. I trust and value your ears and opinion relating to the sound and action.

When I was at NAMM there was probably at least a half hour between the time I played the Yamaha P-515 and the Casio. So it would, obviously, be hard to make a direct comparison. Plus add in the noise and less then great phones I heard both with.

I did come away feeling the P-515 had a bit of an edge in the action department over the CP4 and the Casio. It seemed easier to execute passages and lines on - both Jazz and Classical.

The Casio, I was standing up playing. So even though it felt good, there was that negative in the experience.

And like you said, it's not a fair comparison with the CP4 that costs (at least listed at one time) three times as much.

But I am happy to hear the Casio does sound good out of the TT08As. I'm sure it's a Godsend for many people. But for the time being, again, I'm not adversely affected by the CP4's physical weight. I'll probably stay with my original plan of adding the P-515 at some point in time.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Jazzooo] #2989042
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Yes, I check out the keyboard touch parameters and picked the one that I liked best (i.e., it's called NORMAL).

What I'm describing is inherent in the mechanical design. By this I mean if you had a CP4, acoustic piano, and PX-S3000 side by side and pressed their keys from the front to the back you'll find that noticeably more force is required to press the PX-S3000 key toward the back relative to the force required to press the same key toward the front (to achieved the same volume). On the CP4 and acoustic piano the force either doesn't vary, or varies much less, when doing the same.

Some players can play with great nuance using the front half of the keys but I can't. So YMMV.

Here's a specific example. I played the second movement of Beethoven's Pathetique on the CP4 and PX-S3000. The key of Ab pulls my hands toward the back of the keys. Using the first eight bars as an example, I want to play three distinct layers: melody, bass, and inner voice accompaniment. On the CP4 no problem, but on the PX-S3000 I struggled: some inner voice notes sounded louder than expected while some melody notes sounded lower than expected, etc. -- you get the idea. That's not to say others can't play this piece well on the PX-S3000. It's just to say that I can't.


Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Al Quinn] #2989058
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
What I'm describing is inherent in the mechanical design. By this I mean if you had a CP4, acoustic piano, and PX-S3000 side by side and pressed their keys from the front to the back you'll find that noticeably more force is required to press the PX-S3000 key toward the back relative to the force required to press the same key toward the front (to achieved the same volume). On the CP4 and acoustic piano the force either doesn't vary, or varies much less, when doing the same.


Same reaction here, after playing a PX-S1000 at GC a couple of days ago. The pivot point of each key mechanism must be very very close to the back of the visible portion of the key, to fit within the compact chassis. As a result, the touch at the front of the key is way different from the touch at the back.


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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mjazz] #2989095
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Things I learned by taking my S3000 to play somewhere else:

1. It doesnít fit in my car. I have to wedge it in the back seat with one end as far down on the corner of the floor as I can get it and the other end up high near the roof. I put the board in itís shipping box with the styrofoam ends so I could move it without worrying about damage. Even then, I kept banging it into doors and walls. I ordered the carrying case but Sweetwater says it wonít be in until mid-June. Iím hoping the carrying case will take a couple of inches off the shipping box length so it might barely fit on the back seat. It certainly wonít fit in the trunk of my 12-year-old Camry hybrid.

2. It has to have an adjustable stand with it. If itís put on a standard table or desktop, itís too high. I canít make a regular chair or stool be at the right height even with an added cushion. If itís on a counter top with a taller stool, itís still too high. You either have to have an adjustable stool that goes high enough or a stand at the right height. If Iím going to take this to house parties and other casual venues, Iíll need to bring my stand and stool and not count on being able to set it up anywhere.

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I put it vertically in the front seat, easy fit.
I use a very cheap gig bag, 1/4 foam padded, not the expensive Casio case. Had it ever since my Kurzweil PC2X days.
I use a QuikLok WS550 stand and it works great. For me, almost any chair works. I use the cheapest little portable keyboard bench they make.



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Just found out that when you change the touch response, it doesn't save it. If I change the touch response to light from normal, then turn the board off, when I turn it back on it's set to normal again. I guess I have to save touch response for each sound to a registration to keep it saved.

Edit: touch response is saved if I turn on Auto Resume. See below.

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Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: El Lobo] #2989112
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Have you tried turning on 'auto resume'?

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I was finally able to try both out in NYC yesterday (at a normal height and with sustain pedals).

(I also tried the PX560 which I liked better perhaps somewhat due to 2x2 speakers vs. just 2).

Some things I liked- some of the acoustic pianos were clear and sounded great in the mids and highs.

Because of the design its still weird that the black keys are higher up as the border in back of them where the pianos usually have logos was slim.

However, the speakers get limited when playing bass octaves at mid- volumes - if feels as though the unit is struggling to push air out - vs. my P125 which seems to handle these notes better.

Since I have the P125 as a mobile; I'll likely pass on the 1000 for now

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: LarsHarner] #2989120
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Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
I also tried the PX560 which I liked better perhaps somewhat due to 2x2 speakers vs. just 2
I believe the PX560 as a pair of 2-way speakers, I assumed the PX-S3000 would as well, but I suppose it could have a pair of full range speakers instead...?

When preferring the sound of the PX560, was that acoustic piano sounds, other sounds, or both?

Did you have any preference between the feel of the two actions?


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Originally Posted By: Brad Saucier
Have you tried turning on 'auto resume'?
No. I didn't know it existed. I do now. Thank you. I'm still dumpster diving in the manual. Haven't memorized it all yet. I'm still trying to figure how to save registrations and a bunch of other little things.
"You can enable Auto Resume, which will save most settings when power is turned off.
ē If Auto Resume is disabled, turning off power will initialize settings, except for those below.
Tuning, LCD contrast, pairing information (Bluetooth connection logs), expression/assignable pedal type, expression/assignable pedal calibration, touch button sensitivity."

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I put it vertically in the front seat, easy fit.
Not in my Camry, while in its shipping box. Probably will fit in the front or back seat while in a soft case.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: El Lobo] #2989137
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I am slowly getting stronger with this new action . I do a lot of two handed big chords in continuous tremolo and boogie woogie like on Night Mist Blues by Monty Alexander or Oscar Peterson and I have to do deep breathing to keep it going... this action itís really building me up. The acoustic pianos I variously end up on will be a breeze.


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I also tried the PX560 which I liked better perhaps somewhat due to 2x2 speakers vs. just 2
I believe the PX560 as a pair of 2-way speakers, I assumed the PX-S3000 would as well, but I suppose it could have a pair of full range speakers instead...?

When preferring the sound of the PX560, was that acoustic piano sounds, other sounds, or both?

Did you have any preference between the feel of the two actions?


I thought the actions were similar; I would say that given I didn't love the 1000/3000 Rhodes that the 560 ones were more interesting. (I will still have to go back and try these again).

I'm not as familar yet with comparisons between the two- are they intended to have the same acoustic piano sounds?
What I am concluding is that having 4 speakers can be important given less amplification.
Off topic, my P125 is 2x2 and I can hear the difference.
I am one of those who prefers just to turn on and play and not have to connect to external amps.
Although I've never considered a 560 due to the price it is defintely something to consider as well.

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Originally Posted By: LarsHarner
I didn't love the 1000/3000 Rhodes that the 560 ones were more interesting. (I will still have to go back and try these again).

Besides the stock EPs in the 560 (which I agree are pretty good), there are also a bunch of good optional EPs programmed by Dave Weiser which you can load into it (available for free download on the casio forum).

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I'm not as familar yet with comparisons between the two- are they intended to have the same acoustic piano sounds?

No.


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Well I have been tweaking the number 1 Grand piano sound on the Cassio S3000 and decided to play along with the Casio Jazz Trio ,so if you want to check it out go to Mike Lupinetti on you tube , I am playing through my EV ZXA1 speakers and the piano sound to me sounds pretty nice , I do not use any pedal in this song which I Call Grilled Cheese .

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Originally Posted By: pianomike
Well I have been tweaking the number 1 Grand piano sound on the Cassio S3000 and decided to play along with the Casio Jazz Trio ,so if you want to check it out go to Mike Lupinetti on you tube , I am playing through my EV ZXA1 speakers and the piano sound to me sounds pretty nice , I do not use any pedal in this song which I Call Grilled Cheese .


Here it is:



But not sure why 'playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner'.

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Thanks Sam , I haven't disabled it maybe some one else did ,I am not very good with computers maybe I did it by accident but you were able to see it , hope you liked it .

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Originally Posted By: pianomike
Thanks Sam , I haven't disabled it maybe some one else did ,I am not very good with computers maybe I did it by accident but you were able to see it , hope you liked it .


Hi Mike, yes I liked it very much so.

It's a just YouTube setting that you probably checked/unchecked by accident. Only you or someone who has access to your YouTube account can change it.

Re: Casio Privia PX-S1000 ($900) and S3000 ($1200) [Re: Mike Martin] #2989372
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Originally Posted By: Mike Martin
Here is the webinar from last week now transferred over to Youtube. We will be doing another one of these soon.
Hi Mike. I bought my first Casio keyboard (i.e., PX-S3000) last week and am very pleased. Thanks for the webinar. It was very helpful. Great job! Chock full of useful information, always interesting and on point, nice playing, nice use of various video views, and I liked your Yamaha joke smile I'm looking forward to downloading some cool patches from the Casio forum soon.

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Prices went up in thread title. I got my 3000 for $800.

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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Prices went up in thread title. I got my 3000 for $800.


Our prices didn't change....


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Prices didn't change at vendors. Why did prices in thread title change? Gremlins? Poltergeists?

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